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  1. Default Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    Rhinne's Blessing says it buffs 15% stat. That's just like MW, so I assumed it works the same.

    When I cast it, I go from 2423 to 2686 str = +263.

    This is 15% of 1753. Which with 793 base str means +121% str equips.

    I can't figure out what they are.
    What I've got down is
    xenon link: 10%
    hat: 10%
    earring: 13%
    cape: 11%
    eye acc: 5%
    Lapis: 15%
    Lazuli: 15%
    glove: 14%
    overall: 3%
    shoe: 14%
    belt: 10%
    pendant: 3%

    = 123%
    Nothing being displayed wrong seems to add up to that missing 2%.

    Nebulites are 3x 2%, 4x 1% str.
    Potentials are 5 9% str, 6 6% str, 1 4% str, 4 3% str, 2 3% all.

    Is 3% all secretly adding 2%? Well, I can take off my shoes and find out...
    Without my 14% (9str+3all+2nebulite) shoe,
    2498 with Rhinne, 2251 without. +247, so 1646-1647 str = 107.6-ish% (short of 108%)
    Actual amount should be 109% exactly so wat.
    Without my 14% (9str+3all+2nebulite) glove, or the shoe
    2328 with Rhinne, 2098 without. +230, so 1533 str = 93.3-ish%
    At least this time it's close to the 94% it should be...
    Without the glove, but with the shoe this time,
    2514 with Rhinne, 2268 without. +246, so 1641 str = 107%

    Wait... that's 2 equips that both add 14% str, but one makes Rhinne add 246 and the other makes it add 247 str? waaaat.

    May as well try out another pair of near-identical equips and see what happens.
    All except 10% str hat:
    2535 with Rhinne, 2284 without. +251, so 1673 str = 111%
    All except 10% str belt:
    2538 with Rhinne, 2286 without. +252, so 1680 str = 112%

    I feel like I'm being made a fool of by Maple's rounding...



    So, a rigorous study of my stats. The 123% str is established above. So is 793 base str and 2686 total with Rhinne (2423 without)
    I think I have +87 non-potential str (40 Kaiser link, 20 Xenon link, 7 Resistance set, 20 inner ability).

    Should be (793[*1.15]+x)*2.23 + 87 = 2686 (or 2423 deleting the 1.15)
    Which makes x = 254 or so.
    (793+254)*2.23+87 = 2421.81
    (793+255)*2.23+87 = 2424.04
    Um, so maybe one of those things I thought was non-potential does have potential? Start with the smallest, +7 resistance set.
    (793+x2)*2.23+80 = 2423
    x2 = 257.7
    (793+257)*2.23+80 = 2421.5
    (793+258)*2.23+80 = 2423.73
    At least it got that part right.
    (793*1.15+258)*2.23+80 = 2686.87
    Cool, it got that right too...
    Take off the shoes and it's
    (793+246)*2.09+80 = 2251.51, matches up.
    (793*1.15+246)*2.09+80 = 2498.13, also matches up.

    So, um... what the hell, Nexon? Is the +7 resistance set getting potential multipliers but Kaiser, Xenon, and Inner Abilities aren't?

    I suppose I could try to account for all my +str too, and make sure 258 is correct.
    Resolution Time: +30 str
    Pirate Blessing: +25 str
    hat: +16 str
    codex: +1 str
    nose: +18 str
    earring: +10 str
    shoulder: +8 str
    cape: +10 str
    face: +10 str
    Lapis/Lazuli: +35 str (each? doubtful since their w.atk only counts once)
    glove: +4 str
    overall: +5 str
    rings: +30 str
    shoe: +12 str
    belt: +15 str
    pendant: +4 str
    = 233 without the second weapon.
    +7 from the Resistance set makes it 240, short of 258. (thus giving 2383, way short)
    +20 from eg. Xenon makes it 253, which produces a total 2399 (24 short)
    +40 from eg. Kaiser makes it 273, which produces a total 2424 (1 high)
    +39 from some pineappleery makes it 272, which produces a total 2422.95 (1 low)


    Kinda going round in circles with stuff that just doesn't make sense

    I also realized that I don't have Hayato's link skill on my Zero so... adding that +10 str made it 2446 total str.
    (793+243+x)*2.23+(87-x) = 2446...
    Wolfram Alpha kindly says it's 39.6
    (793+283)*2.23+47 = 2446.48. So at least in this case assuming it's a +40 (either Kaiser or IA + Xenon) works.
    Cast Rhinne's blessing to be sure, get 2709.
    (911+283)*2.23+47 = 2709.62. Phew.

    Maybe something's getting rounded separately and losing me 0.48 of a str or less?

    eg. if Kaiser's card does get the bonus but rounds on its own,
    (793+233)*2.23+47+40*2.23 = 2287.98 + 47 + 89.2 = 2423 (if rounded separately)


    When I do drop Kaiser's card (replaced with my Hero's +4% wdef just to keep sets the same) I end up with 2406 str.
    When I switch the Resistance set out (moved Xenon and Kaiser around; both still in sets) I have 2430 str. So there's a lead... the 7 str from that is in fact being buffed up to 16 str by my %str eqs.
    When I have Resistance set *and* Xenon gone (can't do just Xenon) I have 2410 str. So Xenon's definitely non-potential str. Arg.

    Anyway I have that one tidbit of useful data for my other thread.

  2. Sacred cow Male
    IGN: Equi
    Server: Aquila
    Level: 235
    Job: Luminous
    Guild: Pineapples
    Farm: holycow
    singapore

    Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    hasn't card deck effects always been affected by potential?

    and yes, i feel you i tried calculating my lumi's stats and gave up because of the pineappleing rounding

  3. Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    I guess so but I didn't test til now. Still can't figure out where I'm getting another +25 str from, either. My INT is off by a different amount - only +13 unaccounted for. My luk stat seems to be the closest to adding up: (4+83)*1.16+25 = 125.92, only 6 short of the actual 131.

  4. Sacred cow Male
    IGN: Equi
    Server: Aquila
    Level: 235
    Job: Luminous
    Guild: Pineapples
    Farm: holycow
    singapore

    Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    monster life?

  5. Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    isn't MW / Rhinne's multiplicative with your total stats after potential?

  6. Can of Soup Male
    IGN: ZeroCA
    Server: Windia
    Level: 21x
    Job: Zero
    Guild: N/A
    Alliance: N/A
    Farm: ReneMule
    usa

    Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    MW always was base only.

  7. Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    2.23 * FLOOR(793*.15) = 2.23* FLOOR(118.95) = 2.23*118 = 263.14

    more numbers

    no 10% hat/belt
    1.13 2.13 * FLOOR(793*.15) = 1.13 2.13*118 = 251.34
    Last edited by MountLag; 2013-12-30 at 01:25 PM.

  8. Default Re: Zero's got some odd %str? What's going wrong.


    Hmm, 12 str 10 dex from that. Was 18 str yesterday (yay for soldiers expiring while I wasn't paying attention).

    Yeah, I think that adds up, along with the Resistance set being multiplicative.

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