[Alert] [Complete] Unscheduled Server Maintenance - December 18, 2013

[hadriel]

Patched but fell asleep because I had a 14 hour day in the lab. Looks like I... didn't miss anything much.

Just give me the stamp yo. But I'm not free this weekend to play :(

Hadriel

[Coogi]

except people aren't buying them due to lack of access and we all know this. nobody is like NAW IM NOT GONNA GET TO GOLLUX TO GET STARS. peopel bought it cause they thought it was super cheap due to ignorance. he took advantage of that ignorance knowing fullwell he might be able to scumbag some buyers. it's still borderline scamming. what you're talking about would be selling a 140 or 150 gollux ring. that's reasonable for that situation, this is not. this is legitimately jipping people intentionally. people saw cheap stars in the gollux shop, said hey nobody knows yet! and went and undercut the market to rip people off quick before the knowledge got out. it's still ripping people off.

Not anyone's fault they didn't know about the stars yet. Illegallysane is actually right IMO, you just seem butthurt with the route you went.

[dems]

Not anyone's fault they didn't know about the stars yet. Illegallysane is actually right IMO, you just seem butthurt with the route you went.

what route? i don't understand. i knew about the stars as soon as the game came up and chose not to rip people off? is that what you mean or?

[dowie]

Free market is pretty fair

[Christopher]

what route? i don't understand. i knew about the stars as soon as the game came up and chose not to rip people off? is that what you mean or?

its not ripping people off, its turning a quick and legitimate profit. get off your e-white knight high horse.

[dems]

its not ripping people off, its turning a quick and legitimate profit. get off your e-white knight high horse.

it's immoral and if it happened to you in real life you'd be up in arms about it. you are deceiving people into wasting their money on your overpriced item. that's immoral imo. it's not illegitimate in that it's cheating, no. but it's immoral and i stand by that.

[Justin]

its not ripping people off, its turning a quick and legitimate profit. get off your e-white knight high horse.

Yes, taking advantage of a blatantly obvious mishap/glitch and profiting off of it (off other players, no less) is legitimate and acceptable.

[YennoX]

It's certainly not scamming, as there is no catch to the item. You get what you pay for. They may be ignorant for buying it overpriced, but the item is real. Unless you were actually talked into buying a set with false information, I don't see it as scamming. If anything, merchers are the real scammers in the game 99% of the time.

But calling the item not a rip-off is also pushing it. The profit is legitimate. But it's unfair. Much like scalping.

[Untradeable]

Talking about morality.

About a game run by one of the most amoral and uncaring companies in gaming.

Yeah good luck with that.

[dems]

It's certainly not scamming, as there is no catch to the item. You get what you pay for. They may be ignorant for buying it overpriced, but the item is real. Unless you were actually talked into buying a set with false information, I don't see it as scamming. If anything, merchers are the real scammers in the game 99% of the time.

But calling the item not a rip-off is also pushing it. The profit is legitimate. But it's unfair. Much like scalping.

well said and some of these sales/merches have a lot of "grooming" involved. I've seen a particular someone groom someone into selling them tyrant for dirt cheap(800m) which people argued was legit. when you sit and convince people to sell you something for cheap, that's strange, lying, and scamming. how you said this describes this situation well. it's unfair. it's taking advantage of people and it's not whiteknighting to point that out.

[TrueBlitz]

What do you call this "buyers have no knowledge prior to what they're paying for" situation? Principal agent problem? I can't say that I feel sorry for the buyers who immediately jumped at no second thoughts to buy these stars from the "scammers". Heck, I haven't even done the Gollux prequests yet I know of this information shorthand after scanning through Southperry so consider me lucky. This problem will rapidly go away in just a few days the more people are aware of the cheap stars sold in the Gollux shop, so will people really care the next week?. Probably not the victims. All this does is make a cheap, quick profit for the sellers and buyers remorse.

It's called a Free Market for a reason.

Free market is pretty fair

These people have a point. The players themselves 99% control the market, not Nexon, so they have a say in what prices to establish. If Nexon really cares about the players, they would've said in their update notes or in the free market announcements that the stars are really cheap, and not just say "prices have been adjusted" which is a vague statement. Basic economics 101. Go argue at morality all you want, but at the end of the day, it's Nexon themselves who made the free market in the first place. Should you blame them?

[Lexxy]

It's called a Free Market for a reason.

[emailbox]

dang you scumbagged people for mesos. should be so proud yo. that's almost as profitable as selling a boom aee for no-boom price.

seriously though, why do you think it's right to brag about ripping people off again? you know damn well they would get to gollux to get them and that not having access isn't why they bought them. how is this not scamming really?

implying that preying on player ignorance is anything new by fm regulars

[Christopher]

All these people mad that they didnt hop on the deal when they had the chance. Its probably still going to be there after the SC.

Spoiler

[dems]

It's called a Free Market for a reason.

and that's fine. a free market doesn't require morality. pointing out immorality doesn't threaten the functions of the free market and i can't see why it's being criticized. if you believe it's moral, then fine, but why get so upset and vehement about someone saying they think it's immoral? do you really think it's morally correct if you're that up in arms about it? or is this just an excuse to create drama for yourself to enjoy? why do the opinions of people on the morality of an action mean so much to you/them?

and it's hardly a "good" deal. so i could what sell like 4 sets to all 2 of the night lords on gazed? i don't feel i missed out on anything rofl.

[Lexxy]

and that's fine. a free market doesn't require morality. pointing out immorality doesn't threaten the functions of the free market and i can't see why it's being criticized. if you believe it's moral, then fine, but why get so upset and vehement about someone saying they think it's immoral? do you really think it's morally correct if you're that up in arms about it?

and it's hardly a "good" deal. so i could what sell like 4 sets to all 2 of the night lords on gazed? i don't feel i missed out on anything rofl.

I'm not up in arms about anything.
It's literally called a Free Market. I was just pointing out the fact.

[danielcatu]

I just got maple throwing stars because I always wanted to have a set when they were expensive

not even trying to sell them or anything lol... I they added oranges I would've been totally happy (they're not in game anymore right?...)

[TrueBlitz]

If they added oranges I would've been totally happy (they're not in game anymore right?...)

Nexon never removes items from the game, EVER. But the droprates, we don't know. I never seen an orange in the market before because they really aren't worth selling.

[dems]

implying that preying on player ignorance is anything new by fm regulars

some people remain moral in the free market :(. just not many. gazed has a lot of moral fm hoes/merchers. we have a lot of immoral ones too but they kinda seem to stick with each other(saving a lot of people a lot of trouble). they've also lost almost all of their group to bans/moving on.

[Elven Emily]

Nexon never removes items from the game, EVER.

They did remove White Scrolls however.