Team building thread

[Crowhogan33]

You need something to cover their ice weaknesses. As fast as they are, they might get KOed by a stabbed ice shard.

What about Snorlax? Would that do?

[Corn]

The current team I'm making:

Sylveon

Sylveon @ ???
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Def
Nature: Calm
-Calm Mind
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball

Noivern

Noivern @ ???
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd
Nature: Timid
-Taunt
-U-Turn
-Draco Meteor
-Boomburst

Greninja

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 Def
Nature: Timid
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump / Surf
-Ice Beam
-U-Turn

Gliscor

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 40 Def / 224 Spd
Nature: Impish
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Protect
-Earthquake

I have two open spots, you guys got any ideas?

I first need to also know what your team is aiming for. Is it just a team that you want to handle any threat? Do you want to set up a Sylveon sweep? There isn't a real "objective" persay. True, Pokemon teams don't need an objective, but your seems all over the place from CM Sylveon to Stall Gliscor to a weird Stallbreaker Noivern that I'm not sure what's up.

My first impression is you might want a way to set up Stealth Rock, or a way to get rid of Stealth Rock, or both.

I need a Pokemon that can counter bulky Water/Ground/Rock types. Naturally I would look towards Grass types but I haven't had much luck yet. I don't like Breloom (major nerf thanks to Fairy weakness, and Spore can't touch Grass types now) and I just tried Regenerator Tangrowth but it got wrecked by anything special. Especially since most water types carry Ice Beam. My next best bet might be a bulky water of my own with a grass move. Any suggestions?

Ferrothorn, Shaymin, Zapdos, Celebi, Virizion, and Amoonguss seem alright (the more obvious ones are listed first. Amoonguss is...well...judging by the amount of time I took to think of him as a "counter"...)

[Kubi]

What about Snorlax? Would that do?

I think Mamoswine with thick fat can do the job better. Have more physical coverage (rock, earthquake, ice), and maybe get ice shard on that to revenge kill stuff, I don't know. It's hard to make any team perfect, but we can try to see how well they do.

[See]

I always mess around on Showdown before making a team in-game. Plus, I like to take my time in-game, but this after E4 stuff (friend safari omg) is making me want to hurry up. >:
I don't really have an objective.. I kinda just mess around and hope I win. Maybe that's why I'm no good? Derno

Aegislash

excalibro (Aegislash) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Stance Change
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Brave Nature
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Greninja

noroto (Greninja) @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse

Talonflame

phenics (Talonflame) @ Flying Gem
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 132 Spd / 252 Atk / 124 HP
Adamant Nature
IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def
- Acrobatics
- Flare Blitz
- Roost
- U-turn

Ferrothorn

wati sthis (Ferrothorn) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 72 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk / 180 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
- Gyro Ball

Hippowdon

the don (Hippowdon) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk
Impish Nature
- Protect
- Sand Tomb
- Yawn
- Slack Off

Gengar

nitemair (Gengar) @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
- Sludge Bomb

explanationsss

Excalibro for priority/other aegi counters.
Noroto 'cause he is the coolest pokemon ever made and can counter lots of stuff with speed
Phenics for priority/flying (SR sucks, but can't be webbed/spiked).
Wati Sthis because I have never been able to counter physical threats without a helmed ferro..
The Don because I can't decide what else to put. His gimmick is surprisingly good.. Yawn>Yawn the counter they put in>Sand tomb the next pokemon and yawn again.
Nitemair because he can take out at least 1 of the opponents pokemon.

I also really like sand veil garchomp, toxic heal breloom, blaziken, contrary serperior.. Maybe a trapping gliscor, gastrodon, shuckle? Would any of these fit in/replace anything I have now? Mega khan also looks cool, but I think Gengar is too broken to be replaced.

[Crowhogan33]

I first need to also know what your team is aiming for. Is it just a team that you want to handle any threat? Do you want to set up a Sylveon sweep? There isn't a real "objective" persay. True, Pokemon teams don't need an objective, but your seems all over the place from CM Sylveon to Stall Gliscor to a weird Stallbreaker Noivern that I'm not sure what's up.

My first impression is you might want a way to set up Stealth Rock, or a way to get rid of Stealth Rock, or both.

Okay, I think I'm gonna go for stall until Bank comes out. Would this be any better? I'm gonna redo Sylveon for Wish

Sylveon

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Sp. Def
Nature: Calm
-Wish
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball

Gliscor

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 40 Def / 224 Spd
Nature: Impish
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Protect
-Earthquake

Blissey

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def
Nature: Calm
Moveset
-Softboiled
-Protect
-Thunder Wave
-Flamethrower

Mamoswine

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Nature: Jolly / Adamant
Moveset
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Earthquake
-Superpower / Stealth Rock

Greninja

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 Def
Nature: Timid
-Spikes
-Hydro Pump / Surf
-Ice Beam
-U-Turn

I'd still have one spot open.

[ManxDrk]

How normal people plays pokemon: Ok i'm going to use my doublade with an eviolite to raise its DEF than gonna use recover.. bla bla bla..

How I play pokemon: EARTHQUAKE TO EVERYONE MOTHER F**KERS!!

[TheTempest]

Just tried breeding T.Spikes and SR on to a Klefki, but neither worked.

[CrimsonJohnny]

I don't have X/Y yet (Or even a 3DS) but I sure do love theorycrafting. Besides, it will be good if I can iron out the flaws before actually working on raising the team. So, please tell me how this Trick Room team looks:

Smeargle

Smeargle@Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: Irrelevant
Nature: Brave
-Trick Room
-Spore
-Endeavor
-Stealth Rock

Aegislash

Aegislash@Lum Berry
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
Nature: Brave
-Head Smash
-Shadow Sneak
-Iron Head
-Sacred Sword

Clawitzer

Clawitzer@Expert Belt
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Nature: Quiet
-Water Pulse
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam
-Aura Sphere

Reuniclus

Reuniclus@Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 192 HP/252 SAtk/64 Def
Nature: Quiet
-Psychic
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power Fire
-Trick Room

Porygon 2

Porygon 2@Eviolite
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 Def
Nature: Quiet
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Recover
-Trick Room

Mawile

Mawile@Mawilite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
Nature: Brave
-Play Rough
-Iron Head
-Crunch
-Brick Break

Notes

Smeargle leads and uses Trick Room; maybe Spore if I think he can get away with it. If the opponent attacks and activates the sash, Stealth Rock on the way out. If they switch, or otherwise leave Smeargle unharmed, attempt Spore. If sash is activated and opponent is asleep, Endeavor. Everything only gets worse from there. I'm considering Magic Coat in place of SR though.

Not entirely sure what to do with Aegislash. I gave it Lum Berry to avoid deadly status, though Air Balloon might be better in case a bulky Ground type comes in. No King's Shield because he needs to come in and hit hard right away.

Clawitzer is pretty standard, Ice Beam over Dragon Pulse for better coverage.

Reuniclus and Porygon 2 are the backup Trick Rooms; Reuniclus also doubles as a powerful sweeper while Porygon 2 is more bulk, but also being able to do some damage with boltbeam. Download for chances at a special attack boost~

Mega Evolution choice came down to Mawile and Abomasnow; I chose Mawile because physical presence on this team is lacking, and it eats dragons for breakfast. I think I gave it all its best moves for type coverage.

I kind of just slapped this team together, so I probably overlooked a lot of flaws. I also lack knowledge of X and Y, so there might be some amazing hold items or counters to some of these pokemon I don't know about. Any input is appreciated.

[Jamesie]

things

Porygon2 isn't going to wall much of anything, especially with those EVs and just its stats in general. You're probably better off picking something that can actually wall if that's what you're using Porygon2 for.

[CrimsonJohnny]

I couldn't find many things that could use Trick Room, afford to take a hit, and have a not entirely useless offense. And if Porygon 2's defenses after Eviolite won't allow it to take a (neutral) hit, then I'm not sure what to put in its place.

[Kubi]

Think trick room might be higher maintenance to keep up in this generation compared to the last, but it can still surprise people. Cofragrigus and Bronzong are good users for trick room. On the flipside, if you get it work, I'd recommend putting in Tyranitar or Rhyperior part of that team.

[Jamesie]

I couldn't find many things that could use Trick Room, afford to take a hit, and have a not entirely useless offense. And if Porygon 2's defenses after Eviolite won't allow it to take a (neutral) hit, then I'm not sure what to put in its place.

Slowbro and Bronzong off the top of my head. They're not going to sweep, but they're not 10 attack Shuckles either.

[TheTempest]

Somewhat came up with a mono Steel team.

Lucario

Item: Lucarionite
Adaptability
Timid – 4 HP or SpD/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Moves: Nasty Plot, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball, Vacuum Wave

Scizor

Item: Assault Vest
Technician
Careful – 252 HP/ 40 Atk/ 216 SpD
Moves: Pursuit, U-turn, Bullet Punch, Superpower/Brick Break

Aegislash

Item: Life Orb
Stance Change
Quiet – 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 SpA
Moves: Shadow Ball, Iron Head, Sacred Sword, Shadow Sneak

Klefki

Item: Leftovers
Prankster
Bold – 252 HP/ 188 Def/ 68 SpD
Moves: Thunder Wave, Swagger, Foul Play, Substitute

Skarmory

Item: Rocky Helmet
Sturdy
Careful – 252 HP/ 68 Def/ 188 SpD
Moves: Roost, Spikes/Stealth Rock, Toxic, *Attacking move*

I need to fill that last slot and I was thinking of using Mold Breaker Excadrill or Defiant Bisharp. Still ironing out the team, might swap out the Skarmory for something else like Forretress or Ferrothorn and make some move changes to some Pokes. I know I have a huge weakness to Fire which is why I was thinking of running Rain Dance on something like Klefki. Any advice is appreciated.

[CakesXD]

Somewhat came up with a mono Steel team.

Lucario

Item: Lucarionite
Adaptability
Timid – 4 HP or SpD/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Moves: Nasty Plot, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball, Vacuum Wave

Scizor

Item: Assault Vest
Technician
Careful – 252 HP/ 40 Atk/ 216 SpD
Moves: Pursuit, U-turn, Bullet Punch, Superpower/Brick Break

Aegislash

Item: Life Orb
Stance Change
Quiet – 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 SpA
Moves: Shadow Ball, Iron Head, Sacred Sword, Shadow Sneak

Klefki

Item: Leftovers
Prankster
Bold – 252 HP/ 188 Def/ 68 SpD
Moves: Thunder Wave, Swagger, Foul Play, Substitute

Skarmory

Item: Rocky Helmet
Sturdy
Careful – 252 HP/ 68 Def/ 188 SpD
Moves: Roost, Spikes/Stealth Rock, Toxic, *Attacking move*

I need to fill that last slot and I was thinking of using Mold Breaker Excadrill or Defiant Bisharp. Still ironing out the team, might swap out the Skarmory for something else like Forretress or Ferrothorn and make some move changes to some Pokes. I know I have a huge weakness to Fire which is why I was thinking of running Rain Dance on something like Klefki. Any advice is appreciated.

Air Balloon Heatran? Heatproof Bronzong (everybody expects Levitate anyway)?

Mono-Steel tends to have problems since most of them are weak to the same types, with little diversity.

[Shads]

So far this is the team I've created

Greninja

Modest
Protean
Mystic water
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Spikes
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump
U-Turn

Aegislash

Brave
Stance Change
Leftovers
252Att/252HP/6SpAtt
Shadow Sneak
Sacred Sword
Metal Head
Kings Shield

Arcanine

Adamant
Intimidate
Expert Belt
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Wild Charge
Bulldoze
Flare Blitz
Crunch

Gardevoir

Modest
Synchronize
Gardevoirnite/Shell Bell
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Moon Blast
Psychic
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball

Togekiss

Modest
Serene Grace
Scope Lens
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Moon Blast/Dazzling Gleam
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Flame Thrower

Ludicolo

Timid
Rain Dish
???
252Spd/???
Rain Dance
Toxic/Substitute
Giga Drain
Leech Seed

I don't really know what to do about Ludicolo, I might put in more Def also I don't really know what item to give him.

[TheTempest]

Air Balloon Heatran? Heatproof Bronzong (everybody expects Levitate anyway)?

Mono-Steel tends to have problems since most of them are weak to the same types, with little diversity.

I don't like using Legendary pokemon so that's a no on Heatran, unless if I can get him ingame. I would like to use Empoleon for that last slot, but I would have to wait until PokeBank opens. I guess I can give up on mono Steel for now and run a Sandstorm team by making some slight adjustments.

[CakesXD]

Been fiddling around on Showdown lately, currently have a decent rank (high 1800s) so far.

Greninja

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- Grass Knot

All-out attacker has been working out nicely for me, since Greninja gets a lot of OHKOs/2HKOS thanks to Protean.

Oh Arceus, bless Game Freak for giving Greninja 122 base speed. It helps way too often (although I wish I could outspeed pesky Talonflame).

Hawlucha

Hawlucha @ Flying Gem
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Acrobatics
- High Jump Kick
- Encore

Late-game sweeper most of the time. I'm honestly surprised by how much Encore helps when trying to set this guy up, it's amazingly useful.

Acrobatics + HJK has yet to fail me. <3

Landorus-Therian

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn

The Landorus we all know and love from B2/W2. It can still tank physical hits nicely because of Intimidate, but the base 91 speed is the real seller here. I'm also really surprised at how rare it is for me to get Stealth Rock up in a battle, so I'm thinking of switching it out for Superpower or something.

MegaManectric

Manectric @ Manectite
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Ice]

It's design is very "meh", but it's been a huge success on this team. Since Manectric has been a lower-tier Pokemon for so long, no one really expects Flamethrower, which means I get to roast their Scizor/Ferrothorn/Forretress/etc.

HP Ice is really disappointing this Generation, however. I'll have to wait and see if it gets any better options (I think Signal Beam is the next best thing, and Flamethrower already roasts those Grass-types, but it could be handy for Dark/Psychic Pokemon).

252 SpA Manectric Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 312-368 (87.15 - 102.79%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Can't even get a guaranteed OHKO on Garchomp, with a base 135 SpA. -sigh-

Kyurem-B

Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SAtk
Naive Nature
- Outrage
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Claw

Scarfer, and Outrage is only used when all Fairies/Steel-types have been taken out.

I'm loving how bulky it is, but if there's another Pokemon that you think would be a better fit for this team, please, don't hesitate to contribute.

Empoleon

Empoleon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Defog
- Toxic
- Roar

Defog and Stealth Rock on the same team, am I mad? Not really.

Defog is useful when stupid Galvantulas/Smeargles try to get their Sticky Webs up, but nobody expects Empoleon to have it. I went for a Specially Defensive set because MegaManectric and Landorus-T both have Intimidate.

I almost always seem to Defog before I even get Stealth Rock up, and then forget to set up Stealth Rock anyway. Oops.

Critiques, comments and suggestions are all appreciated.

[Kubi]

I usually like putting 1 or 2 pokemon with a priority move or two into my team. It's for either revenge killing or to make sure I can hit or do something before a scarfed pokemon outspeeds me.

I know Greninja is good on attacking, speed, and protean, but it'd be pretty situational to outright counter it right?
It's either hit it with something faster than it / use a priority move before it can do anything (like Breloom with Mach punch) or take a chance/predict what it'll use and switch into something that could resist its attacks and fire something back. Greninja can fool the in-game AI pretty easily, but not a human xD.

[Colress]

Chansey over an eeveelution? I mean, chansey is good in terms of defense but this means I have to be a bit patient if I want to get a safari zone with a chansey (same with Galvantula) if I want to make my dream team....which isn't too too hard but I do want to face against my friends with this team. Maybe I can have an Shuckle and the eeveelution or something for the time being until I get the two.

Other than that, thanks for the help!

My FS has Chansey. :D

Hmm, I never considered being serious when it came to making teams but I want to earn some BP from the Battle Maison. I'd love to have a team that revolves around Dephox. I like being annoying but I also like quick wins. (Totally not being helpful)

[KhainiWest]

My FS has Chansey. :D

Hmm, I never considered being serious when it came to making teams but I want to earn some BP from the Battle Maison. I'd love to have a team that revolves around Dephox. I like being annoying but I also like quick wins. (Totally not being helpful)

What other pokemon do you like? I mean if you want really quick you might as well carry a pokemon that knows shell smash and baton pass it to delphonx and have her sweep.