Tropes Vs Women 2 - Damsels In Distress Part Two : Circular Arguments Strike Back

[Dusk]

5. @Dusk; “Because most gamers are heterosexual men?”
Only on a technicality, though demographics of gaming don’t mention sexuality (so that’s a moot point). So just based on a gender line? Try 47% of gamers are female. And we’re not all playing “casual” games or “family entertainment.” Some of us don’t have children to play games with, and we’re not being forced to do it by our male counterparts; some of us play a larger variety of video games than our more counterparts, to be precise. So stop trying to shoebox us all into some category where you think we belong; we’re just as diverse as men when it comes to our tastes in entertainment. This website, of all things, should be more understanding of that.

But since you want a bigger breakdown of the games people play, I found this study; I think the title is somewhat misleading, but I'm still skimming the rest of the information. The biggest thing I find is that male gamers tend to prefer violent video games over non-violent; this statistic, when utilised by the gaming industry, could express the amount of video games being developed with that in mind (as women are split in preference, men skew toward one side). But perhaps it could be that it's the a) type of violence of the fact that b) some violence is negligible and irrelevant (gratuitous); this could put women off certain areas of gaming and cause them to lean toward another genre where it is less likely to occur. So, again, just having the statistics doesn't do much. We have the statistics available, but the availability of video games that might interest both parties is severely lacking. This potentially can cause issues with the data.

I am so pineappleing tired of the straw manning in this thread. I did not say all female gamers are playing casual or family entertainment games. I have female friends that play the same games I do, so that's obviously false. What I said was that the statistics are skewed because of those games, because of the widespread popularity of games like Bejeweled and Plants vs. Zombies that plenty of non-gamers have gotten into in recent years, as well as the large number of moms who play games with their children. The study you linked shows that indeed, female gamers are much less likely to be playing the kind of games that Anita covers in her video, and with less frequency when they do.

[KhainiWest]

Haha, the turn this thread took after I was gone for a couple days is quite funny. But since I apparently have some things to sort out here, here I go:

First, sorry Sardines for mistaking you for Harrison. Other people were mentioning it and I mistook you for him. Should've just called you Sardines, sorry.

He's originally swerve.

Not even going to confront your first paragraph as it's a grab for sympathy.

As for your complaint of her blocking Youtube comments, I've seen some musicians that disable comments in some of their videos but not in others. I'll give you an example too. Tegan and Sara's Northshore has comments disabled but their newest song I Was A Fool doesn't. They are both sisters and are both gay and get harassed by Youtubers all the time for it I believe. If you look at the I Was a Fool video, top rated comment is "Actually they are human beings. Not dykes". Not saying this has anything to do with this particular tropes video but sometimes if you know what the comments are going to be like you may as well just disable them. It can be seen as hiding from bad press much like an embattled politician but people with conviction stick with their conviction normally no matter how much bad press it gets them. It's a part of being able to freely speak your mind and that should be encouraged rather than what some, including you, are trying to do, which is shut her up. She may overuse the melodrama a bit. So what. If you are trying to get people to listen to you you have to use some means to get them to. And she has gotten you. She shall now enjoy some ad revenue thanks to you but not thanks to me because I did not watch the video. Yes you heard me, everything I've been talking about is because I didn't watch it. And why? Because it had spoilers dammit! I HATE SPOILERS. So I went the general way and not the warpath a few of you have taken in your quest to support or defame this woman. I didn't want to take part in that.

Except, ya know, the last album with about 8 songs, all with comments on, don't see any of that harassment at all. But yeah, let's use an example from 2010.

As for your "anything on youtube would be badly rated/attacked over "mundane" things" idea, I said good things, not everything. Some things should make you angry. Some videos you will agree or disagree with the musician or reviewer or anybody with an opinion on something you have an opinion on. It just seems like an obsession to some Youtubers to drag down all that is good in something to a level where it fits their image of what it should be or whether or not it is 100% complete in its logic etc. Presentation is part of it like you said because people generally like theatrics. As for your half the rage these people have comment, I would actually like a bit more information on that as what has yet to be said in this thread is how people who make Youtube videos communicate with their fans and handle that rage. And no I will not watch your videos, you big meanie :(

If you wish not to indulge into actual perspective where people with intelligent criticism are frustrated at the fact she not only silences you, she hides in a castle for any other form of contact, and has her femnazi dogs rip you apart at any shred of negative feedback. Again, I shouldn't be telling you this as I did take the effort to put up a video to support this.

Get off my high horse? I'll have you know that I am a tall fellow and if I am in need of a horse I would actually need a high horse to be able to ride.

If you really care about what people think of you, go post in the "My picture thread". Although I'm sure it would be ignored.

But do you care about other people's problems? No, it's just me me me. I hate this, I love that, nobody is listening to me, why are you all such idiots and not listening to my opinion...wah wah wah.

My daily job is to listen and solve other peoples problems all day everyday. Her problems are melodramatic as her video analysis. I can make a personal judgement, not on her content, but her actions following it, her responses concerning the criticism, and her hypocritical victimizing.

My perspective was to try and inform a bit on issues that were being said by Sardines but not being reinforced by anyone else.

That was a conversation you decided to take. To obnoxiously point out that your "conversation" had more value than my multiple, is instigating and frankly unnecessary. As he himself as said, we are talking about a point that doesn't interest him, and one I really wanted to confront from the first thread, but avoided.

It doesn't matter to me if anybody listens because I know by now that nobody listens to me. I just like talking and since it's a free country and free forum you'll just have to put up with it.

I'll take this as sarcasm to get the benefit of the doubt, as a "free country" has no relevance to a web page, which isn't by definition a "free" forum when it has very strict policies on nudity, although necessary.

Oh and no I will not reply to anything else said in this thread as Locked summed it up pretty much.

That's great, there's just so much unnecessary information you can tolerate before snapping.

[Stereo]

Also BTW, I did not mention anywhere in my post that because I am a male that I am the ultimate superior correct individual ITT.

You're right, that part's only implied by you continually saying the video is wrong and stupid, and then offering your own theory. If you really mean that your and Anita's points of view are equally likely to be correct and neither of you is an idiot you should stop calling her one.

The video doesn't have to justify being about what it's about; it would be a different video if it weren't about "violence towards women in the form of the damsel in distress trope used in video games". That's why there are no 'highly meaningful male character deaths' in it.

[MetaSeraphim]

You're right, that part's only implied by you continually saying the video is wrong and stupid, and then offering your own theory.

Huh? You're saying he is implying he is a male that knows better because he thinks the video is wrong and stupid and his theory is better?

How? Why? Anyone of any gender could have posted something like that. Locked doesn't have his gender publicly listed, and neither did they say anything about their gender in this thread.

This is the internet where everyone is anonmous until they chose to reveal themselves so a post like that could have easily come from a male or female.



The way you say it implies that they only people who disagree with Anita are male.

[Stereo]

Huh? You're saying he is implying he is a male that knows better because he thinks the video is wrong and stupid and his theory is better?

Locked doesn't have his gender publicly listed

"She shouldn't get mad when women are victims of violence in videogames, I see it against men all the time and I'm not mad" certainly implies the 'I' is male. If it's not to relate their own experience, why is the person even bringing men into it? Why not talk about why they're okay with the female characters being powerless victims? It's more on-topic.

I'm not saying that people who disagree with Anita are male, just that people using arguments that balance on their being male are.

[MetaSeraphim]

"She shouldn't get mad when women are victims of violence in videogames, I see it against men all the time and I'm not mad" certainly implies the 'I' is male. If it's not to relate their own experience, why is the person even bringing men into it?

Once again a female could easily say the same thing. I see bringing men into the discussion as a way to "equalize" the discussion.


Let's start talking about all the tropes that show men in a bad light and have a bad influence on young males dis empowering them and giving them a poor sense of self. (I am serious here.)

[Stereo]

Let's start talking about all the tropes that show men in a bad light and have a bad influence on young males dis empowering them and giving them a poor sense of self. (I am serious here.)

Sure, but make another thread, it's off-topic here.

[KhainiWest]

If you're saying women have brutal death's in video games, you have to have a line to what is considered "Brutal", considering most female deaths, if not all, are pretty tame compared to, for christ sake, sometimes animals, then it's not a valid complaint. That's a general video game brutality issue, not a female specific brutality.

...And to say her opinion is uneducated is quite possible considering how many holes and straws she pulls to justify her argument.

[MetaSeraphim]

it's off-topic here.

Not only do you put words into people's mouths you also get to pass judgement down on what is on-topic and off-topic.

Cool.




Anyway.