Iceland plans on blocking internet porn

[Maping]

Why don't we ban baseball bats because they kill people too?

That's a brilliant idea!

[KhainiWest]

How many of you actually watch porn? I don't know about you guys but my selection doesn't have any abusive qualities, such as those low quality hollywood produced garbage.

To be honest Iceland is so worried about their sex education and it's effects, they should allow or even produce their own form's of "softcore" "cinemax after dark" crap. X-art for those who need a lil more shown, hell that's better sex education than any school can teach you, save for disease/protection.

[Afeared]

This is why I tend not to like straight porn, it's too demeaning. Is it really necessary to get violent? do you really have to be cruel? I would much rather watch 2 people have consensual, normal sex like normal people than watch a man beat and demean a woman into performing sex acts, or start calling her names throughout.

I can see where people come from when they say how disgusting porn is, not because it's people having sex; Sex acts are perfectly normal and a part of life, but because of the way it is commercialized, and the way it makes women look like sluts and the men as the ones in charge.

Some parts of the internet has gone too far with this, so I think Iceland has a good idea. the "bad" porn ruined it for everyone, in the same way that glitchers ruined the Old Victoria maps in maplestory. this is just damage control.


Wow that source is so biased haha.

Still, even if it is "good" porn, it will promote perverted thoughts, perverted thoughts kinda ruin a real intimate relationship don't you think?

[Razmos]

Still, even if it is "good" porn, it will promote perverted thoughts, perverted thoughts kinda ruin a real intimate relationship don't you think?

While sex should never be the main focus of a real relationship, saying that sex and perverted thoughts ruins an 'intimate' relationship is silly.
"perverted" and sexual thoughts are natural, essential things. None of us would be here today if our ancestors had worn purity rings, jus' sayin'.

sex is intimate, that is it's entire point. In a real intimate relationship sex would be used responsibly to strengthen the bond between two people, not weaken it. Sure, some couples (or as comedy shows have shown me, any married couple) might not have sex and it could work, but that's no reason to look down on people who do have sex in relationships and say it is not a real intimate relationship.

Maybe i'm talking gibberish, but the whole sex is bad thing just rubs me the wrong way (so to speak)

[KhainiWest]

Still, even if it is "good" porn, it will promote perverted thoughts, perverted thoughts kinda ruin a real intimate relationship don't you think?

...Have you ever had a girlfriend before? Some girls I've dated actually like to have porn on in the background, or find it kinky to watch as foreplay. That doesn't mean our relationship is suddenly in a friends with benefit context, which is the only context I could see if intimacy was suddenly sucked up in an endless void.

Related;
okay that thumbnail..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2192214.html

[Afeared]

While sex should never be the main focus of a real relationship, saying that sex and perverted thoughts ruins an 'intimate' relationship is silly.
"perverted" and sexual thoughts are natural, essential things. None of us would be here today if our ancestors had worn purity rings, jus' sayin'.

sex is intimate, that is it's entire point. In a real intimate relationship sex would be used responsibly to strengthen the bond between two people, not weaken it. Sure, some couples (or as comedy shows have shown me, any married couple) might not have sex and it could work, but that's no reason to look down on people who do have sex in relationships and say it is not a real intimate relationship.

Maybe i'm talking gibberish, but the whole sex is bad thing just rubs me the wrong way (so to speak)

I said porn not sex.

[Razmos]

I said porn not sex.

No, you said porn creates "perverted thoughts".
what exactly do you mean by perverted thoughts if not thoughts about sex?
What you were basically saying is that perverted thoughts (In this case, thoughts about sex) ruin intimate relationships.

[Afeared]

No, you said porn creates "perverted thoughts".
what exactly do you mean by perverted thoughts if not thoughts about sex?
What you were basically saying is that perverted thoughts (In this case, thoughts about sex) ruin intimate relationships.

The perverted thoughts derived from porn. There is a natural "perversion" you would achieve with your partner if you were intimate. Watching too much porn just makes perverted thoughts show up more often, and in an unnatural way, and leading to a more perverted relationship rather than a truly intimate one. If you don't agree with me there is no point in arguing further.

[KhainiWest]

The perverted thoughts derived from porn. There is a natural "perversion" you would achieve with your partner if you were intimate.

Historically, even during the so called "ankle flashing age", we were considerably more sexually active and perverted than we are now. So that holds no ground what so ever.

Watching too much porn just makes perverted thoughts show up more often, and in an unnatural way, and leading to a more perverted relationship rather than a truly intimate one. If you don't agree with me there is no point in arguing further.

As someone who watched a ton of porn, (Both for pleasure and curiosity), I can assure you that my relationships weren't "pure" sexual desire. You're pulling this information out of either your ass or secondary opinions and clearly have no experience on the matter.

[Razmos]

From personal experience I agree with KhainiWest.
I watched a ton of porn when I was single, now that i'm not, I still watch some. it hasn't warped my mind to how relationships or intimacy work because I can tell the difference between fact and fiction.
If anything at all, watching porn helped desensitize it to the point where sex isn't that big of a deal to me. and in that sense actually makes my relationship MORE intimate.

Making broad statements about what porn does is stupid, because there are always going to be idiots whose minds are warped by things. removing porn wouldn't solve the root problem, which of course is stupidity.

[KhainiWest]

Pokemon warped my mind to make me believe I was responsible enough to try to capture a live crocodile, krookidile, crocodile, must be a subspecies right? Though the pokeballs I bought on friday kind of just lead it to nearly taking my leg off...I need to capture a caterpie, fortunately theres a butterfree farm right down the street from here. Then i can weaken it!

Kind of confused though because the butterfree available are a lot smaller than what my pokedex indicates :|

[Seanny]

So, how about that correlation does not imply causation arguement guys?

What's damaging, in my opinion is treating a natural part of a human like the boogie monster to the point the ONLY information available *IS* porn. It's the only way i could see their arguement carrying ANY merit: And even then, one has to lack the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality and neglect on the parent's end if the person is a minor. No, a parent can't watch their young ones 24/7. But the kid will still get the message that something is wrong with what they're looking at if parents are doing their job, and the wisest of parents will still talk to their youth and explain what's unhealthy/unrealistic in a decent manner.

That's the problem with the kind of parenting that opts to leave their offspring in the dark thinking its safer: They'll head towards any light on the subject they see, even if it leads to trouble.

Now. Where's the bill that suggests a program/campaign to help educate about healthy relationships and openly discussing boundaries with partners? Or is Iceland just taking the easy way out that as Curtiss said, just a band-aid for the heart of the problem?

[Curtiss]

So, how about that correlation does not imply causation arguement guys?

What's damaging, in my opinion is treating a natural part of a human like the boogie monster to the point the ONLY information available *IS* porn. It's the only way i could see their arguement carrying ANY merit: And even then, one has to lack the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality and neglect on the parent's end if the person is a minor. No, a parent can't watch their young ones 24/7. But the kid will still get the message that something is wrong with what they're looking at if parents are doing their job, and the wisest of parents will still talk to their youth and explain what's unhealthy/unrealistic in a decent manner.

That's the problem with the kind of parenting that opts to leave their offspring in the dark thinking its safer: They'll head towards any light on the subject they see, even if it leads to trouble.

Now. Where's the bill that suggests a program/campaign to help educate about healthy relationships and openly discussing boundaries with partners? Or is Iceland just taking the easy way out that as Curtiss said, just a band-aid for the heart of the problem?

They're taking the easy way out, it seems. My objection to such censorship stems from how it shows little understanding of the problem itself, much like what happens when a doctor gives medicine for a cold when what you have is actually a flu.

There is no doubt that sex and sexuality will eventually be a question to any growing child and teen regardless of how parents might deny that fact (Which I find absurd as we might not even be able to post this if they had been more awkward about it). Given that children and teenagers are constantly learning and will take in any information present, would parents and educators alike prefer to be frank with the growing generation and present the facts as is which de-mystifies the intrigue of the body and makes it less tantalizing or will they dangle the birds and the bees over the child's head like the proverbial forbidden fruit and get angry when the child inadvertently finds a way to bite the fruit and be forever changed?

I don't see why is this even an issue nowadays. Parents and teenagers choose the most suitable schools for their education, degrees and career paths so why would one let so-called 'degenerate trash' or hearsay from peers that don't know any better be the teachers and primary source of a topic that will always be relevant?

[Malthe]

I don't see why is this even an issue nowadays. Parents and teenagers choose the most suitable schools for their education, degrees and career paths so why would one let so-called 'degenerate trash' or hearsay from peers that don't know any better be the teachers and primary source of a topic that will always be relevant?

Is sexual education really that bad in other countries?
I can't think of any aspect of sex we didn't get covered in sexual education, we went through sex itself, foreplay, porn(including being told about reality vs fiction), how to treat your partner and obviously about STDs and so on, it was a pretty big topic and i think we used 2 straight weeks on it when we were like 13 or 14 years old.

[Curtiss]

Is sexual education really that bad in other countries?
I can't think of any aspect of sex we didn't get covered in sexual education, we went through sex itself, foreplay, porn(including being told about reality vs fiction), how to treat your partner and obviously about STDs and so on, it was a pretty big topic and i think we used 2 straight weeks on it when we were like 13 or 14 years old.

It is non-existent in Malaysia. Meanwhile, teens as young as 14 are now learning it as duos because no materials on the subject are available! /facedesk

[Foolyz]

Is sexual education really that bad in other countries?
I can't think of any aspect of sex we didn't get covered in sexual education, we went through sex itself, foreplay, porn(including being told about reality vs fiction), how to treat your partner and obviously about STDs and so on, it was a pretty big topic and i think we used 2 straight weeks on it when we were like 13 or 14 years old.

Only speaking from experience, but sexual education can be just as bad in our country. Up until my sophomore year in high school, the guys and girls were separated during "Sex-Ed Week" (Oooooh). On the male side of things, we only learned, basically, how our junk works. Nothing else. Hurrdurr, I learned that in two minutes in the bathroom with a Men's Fitness magazine when I was like 7. During sophomore year, we only received two days of Sex-Ed, in which the guys and girls were both present, and it was basically "Don't have sex. You will contract an STD, and you might die. Now here, take some condoms." I kid you NOT, this is the truth. I had to learn everything there is to know on my own, and pornography was involved, but I honestly feel that if I had been educated more thoroughly on such things, I wouldn't have some of the problems in my sex life that I do now.

OT: I'm not quite sure where I stand on the issue. If there IS indeed a problem with the majority of women in Iceland feeling abused or objectified, then there must be an underlying problem. I used to think that porn was a no-no, and it took me a long time to understand that it is in fact fiction. As an adult, I had to realize this and understand what a relationship is really about. I will never objectify a woman, or a man for that matter. Porn remains, for me, a form of enjoyment and stress relief (or more-so what it leads to, I suppose). I hope that other adults have come to this realization as well. On the other hand, I can see how if someone takes things from porn and applies them to real life, people around that person would feel... uneasy. I don't want to hang out with a guy making cat-calls and whatnot. I really don't understand, though, how this situation in Iceland could be worse than it is anywhere else.

[Razmos]

Is sexual education really that bad in other countries?
I can't think of any aspect of sex we didn't get covered in sexual education, we went through sex itself, foreplay, porn(including being told about reality vs fiction), how to treat your partner and obviously about STDs and so on, it was a pretty big topic and i think we used 2 straight weeks on it when we were like 13 or 14 years old.

I think we had a 1 hour lesson on male and female reproductive organs and how to use a condom. That was all we got.

[Curtiss]

I think we had a 1 hour lesson on male and female reproductive organs and how to use a condom. That was all we got.

That's like giving people a list of historical dates to memorize and declaring them graduates after the lesson.

[Razmos]

That's like giving people a list of historical dates to memorize and declaring them graduates after the lesson.

Yep, thats exactly right.

I'm pretty sure the town I grew up in actually has the highest STD, Pregnancy and unemployment rates in all of England. I wonder why.

[Curtiss]

Yep, thats exactly right.

I'm pretty sure the town I grew up in actually has the highest STD, Pregnancy and unemployment rates in all of England. I wonder why.

Likewise, I'm pretty sure the states with the most restrictions on males and females hanging out together also has the highest rates of teen sex and the like. Why do people have to be so blind to the obvious?