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  1. Default Some Ideas (5th Job, bosses, and other stuff)

    Just a bunch of ideas I came up with while lazing around with nothing to do. Uncentered for easier reading.

    5th Job

    - 5th Job should further define the roles of each class; for example, in the case of Adventurer Warriors, Heroes would be the damage-dealing specialists while DrKs could be secondary attackers who help the team by specialising in debuffing enemies (which fits the "dark" theme better than buffing does). Paladins should go beyond simply being damage sponges to become defenders who actively protect party members*. Paladins should also be able to hold their own in battle, though not as well as either of the other two warriors, unless elements come into play; in which case they shouldn't be too strong either. Paladins shouldn't receive as much of an elemental damage bonus/penalty from using elements as mages do either; it makes more sense for mages to be better attuned to the elements.

    *5th Job Paladins could have skills like Provoke to forcibly draw enemy attention to themselves, perhaps giving enemies a reverse-enrage debuff that raises the target's damage to the caster but also causes some area attacks to strike only the caster himself. Of course, tweaks will be necessary to prevent people abusing this to kill-steal, perhaps by giving the skill a rather hefty cooldown. Paladins should also have something like the Battlemage's Advanced Blue Aura (perhaps more along the lines of a traditional buff), something that allows them to protect allies to their own detriment.

    - I think 5th Job should also bring back the old quest-based 4th Job skill system, sans Mastery Guides. Only one skill (preferably passive, for story reasons) will be granted upon advancement and would only have a level cap of 5. To obtain other skills, players would have to hunt for Skillbooks, Storybooks, or complete incredibly long/tedious quest chains. Perhaps all skills that are available from Skillbooks should also be made available from Storybooks so that players can choose to kill powerful(?) bosses as a shortcut of sorts, or hunt for the Storybook and take the quest route. In lieu of Mastery Guides, players would also have to complete (shorter, but fairly difficult) quests to raise the level cap of the skills by say 5 levels at a time. All skill quests, including those that raise skill level caps, accessible without Storybooks should have varying level requirements, with those that raise the skill level caps relatively close to the level cap. Of course, more high-level training areas would be needed to accommodate training, and these new areas could be where the quests are set, too.

    - Story-wise, the reason for there being only a single, passive skill upon advancement would be that said skill is earned upon awakening an ability inherent within the character. 5th Job would be considered a level which no one in the history of the Maple world has ever reached, so there are no skills for that job tier. To get skills, you'd have to create them yourself by drawing on your experience, assist someone who has created a skill so powerful that only someone of your ability could use it, seek out lost texts from an ancient civilisation containing information on a forbidden technique...and so on, which would be roughly how the quests could go.

    For example,

    Infernal Proposition (DrK)
    Along with the awakening of your powers, the Beholder too grows stronger. It forms you of a powerful technique it believes you are now able to handle, and asks that you prepare certain items it requires for a ritual of sorts. After preparing the items, it asks you to head to the rift between dimensions (The Gate to the Future) to seek a suitable place to perform the ritual. Upon arriving, you find that the place is infested with monsters and must purge them all in a series of quests culminating in a boss fight against their leader. The ritual begins, and you are suddenly seized by incredible weakness, as if your powers have all been taken from you.

    <All 4th Job skills and Hyper Skills are disabled>

    The Beholder then reveals to you that it had deceived you; it had planned to rob you of your powers so that it could break the seal placed on it at long last. You must defeat the Beholder, now in a large a demonic form, and seal it once again for good.

    Reward: Darkness Unleashed
    Having sealed the Beholder for good, you are now able to freely wield its demonic powers. Certain skills gain new effects while this skill is active. While transformed, your HP will deplete continually. Has a cooldown.

    The new effects I'm thinking of would be a slight increase in damage for Sacrifice, Dragon Roar and Dark Impale (the increase would be admittedly greater for Sacrifice and Dragon Roar, to compete with other skills). Adding to that would be a chance to inflict debuffs on enemies with those three skills, stuff like a chance to drop enemy PDR/MDR to 0, reduce damage, or simply inflict DoT. The former two would, of course, give the targets temporary immunity afterward like Binding Darkness and Magic Crash. Oh, and of course, new darker animations for Sacrifice and Dragon Roar. It would be nice to have the character transform and wield a scythe too. *winks*


    - Maybe we should have a proper berserker class that does not only get stronger as its HP drops, but also gains varying benefits when afflicted with certain status effects.


    - A boss (a Chameleon, perhaps?) that is elementally weak but continually changes its weaknesses and resistances every minute or so; the colour of its body would correspond to the element it's immune/resistant to (red = immune/resistant to Fire, weak to Ice; I prefer immunity though). When its HP reaches 20%, it would no longer be elementally-weak, but switches instead between absorbing physical and magical attacks. At this point, it would also gain access to new moves and hit harder, and will never revert to its previous phase.

    (Have another one, but I think I'll have to flesh it out a little more first...)


    Status Effects

    - Cursed Weapon: All of the afflicted player's attacks can deal damage to his fellow players. Fixed damage of 200~300 per hit depending on the boss; perhaps stronger bosses could have a 500 damage version. Needs tweaking and stuff, or perhaps this is just a bad idea on the whole considering people could just PK their party when the boss is about to go down just to hog all the EXP (EXP? What EXP?) and drops.

    - Karmic Balance: A cursed balanced appears over the afflicted player's head for a short time (about 10 to 15 seconds?). Attacking tilts the balanced right, while not attacking results in it gradually tilting left. Should the balance tilt too far in either direction while this ailment is in effect, the player will die instantly. Instead of a status effect, this can be implemented as a gimmick for a particular boss fight with it being either in effect throughout the fight (this is gonna suck), or only when the boss's HP is low.

    - Transmogrification: The afflicted player is transformed into a vicious demon that will turn on his own allies for as long as this ailment is in effect. Victim can only be hurt by other transformed players, and cannot be healed. Damage dealt by the victim will be equal to monsters of his own level. As a side effect of the transformation, the victim will receive damage continuously while transformed (5% HP per second perhaps?), and will be unable to move/attack or use potions of his own free will as with Seduce. The effect will end when it runs out (I'm thinking maybe 10 to 15 seconds). As with Karmic Balance this can be just a gimmick instead.
    Last edited by Hanabira.Kage; 2013-02-08 at 11:07 AM.

  2. Default Re: Some Ideas (5th Job, bosses, and other stuff)

    Wow, great ideas. I really miss the story and quest component of maplestory. What I liked about the new classes created is that they had a nice story line that I didn't get with explorers. Your suggestions are really well thought out and it'd be amazing if the 5th job we get is similar in design. Although I'm dreading the grind, I'm excited about new skills.

  3. Default Re: Some Ideas (5th Job, bosses, and other stuff)

    Thanks. I wouldn't say they're really well thought-out or anything, just stuff I'd like to see. I, for one, love a good story, so here's hoping they actually give Adventurers some story at least. Better late than never, eh?

    When I was thinking about this stuff, I was trying to keep balance in mind. Especially for the status effects. Would it be too screwed up? Would it be too easily shrugged off?

    Thought Process(?)

  4. Proton Male
    IGN: Gylfheim
    Server: YMChaosK
    Level: 140
    Job: Dark Knight
    Guild: Masks
    Alliance: Divisions

    Default Re: Some Ideas (5th Job, bosses, and other stuff)

    I really, truly hope something like this is implemented into the game. As of now, Maplestory is WAY too easy to take seriously. I mean, before there were at least necessary quests to complete to get skills. Now, you just get them from boss drops. I also like how you explained WHY the changes would occur (especially about the 5th job skills; I mean, it only makes sense).
    The debuffs also look good! The Balance debuff makes me wonder if you drew that from Egyptian beliefs.
    I think both the transmogrification and the balance should be gimmicks for a certain boss; having those on all the bosses would be a major killer ;-;
    The chameleon boss idea is also great! (reminds me of Pierre and his hats).

    I really hope 5th job will be something like this and, instead of a cake-walk, an actual challenge.
    Overall, great job!

  5. Flatpanel TV Straight Male
    IGN: Dailom
    Server: Windia
    Level: 188
    Job: Wild Hunter
    Guild: Caelia
    Alliance: HighOrder

    Default Re: Some Ideas (5th Job, bosses, and other stuff)

    For that Cursed Weapon status effect, I think it should probably deal damage not based on the boss, but the delay and number of hits in each skill. Something like:

    (1-3 damage * milliconds in the delay) / (number of hits)

    That way the classes using hurricane won't rip through their parties in the time it takes them to realize that they've been cursed, while classes like Angelic Busters would barely notice that their attacks are cursed because the majority of them only have one or two hits in them with massive delays.

    Also, in order to prevent intentional PKs, the status could make it so that each PK removes one count from the PKer's life limit as well as that of the party members he kills, and have the number of deaths allowed in a boss fight be set to one less than the number of party members in the room. Should a party member lose every one of his lives, then the life limit will go down by one for all party members who have more lives than is currently allowed.



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