...bother getting the Dogma on my Luminous?

[FangelXIII]

I realize this seems like a really stupid question. But what I was thinking was that the Tempest Hat would be better due to it being a part of the set bonus.

So...yeah. What should I do? If I don't take it then I'd planned to give it to my Page or Bishop to anvil.

[Curtiss]

If it helps you, I'd say the Dogma would look weird with the Tempest set.

[FangelXIII]

If it helps you, I'd say the Dogma would look weird with the Tempest set.

It's not just that. It's more that the set bonus for 7 pieces is 5 attack/magic attack. The set bonus for 8 pieces, which requires the hat, is 15 attack/magic attack and +20 all stat. Plus the tempest hat already has 1 attack and +7 all stat.

[Muppy]

You can always use a sharing tag so just get it on a character that you think would benefit the most from it.

[Curtiss]

It's not just that. It's more that the set bonus for 7 pieces is 5 attack/magic attack. The set bonus for 8 pieces, which requires the hat, is 15 attack/magic attack and +20 all stat. Plus the tempest hat already has 1 attack and +7 all stat.

I'd say definitely get it for your Bishop then. Besides, that hat looks awesome with the level 60 Mage set.

[Niernen]

It's not just that. It's more that the set bonus for 7 pieces is 5 attack/magic attack. The set bonus for 8 pieces, which requires the hat, is 15 attack/magic attack and +20 all stat. Plus the tempest hat already has 1 attack and +7 all stat.

You do realize the set has 9 pieces, and the max sett effect is 8 right? so you do not need the hat (although the overall is more expensive and probably better to skip). The dogma hat is not bad, i got decent mystic door on mine. Hopping for %int but i guess i can finally use those 100 magic rocks that have been siting on my mercedes.
Just drop what ever piece you can easily replace, if you have a good weapon use that and get the other 8 pieces.

[Elven Emily]

Drop hat from the set and get the Dogma. That's what I'm doing.

[PeePeeAyeDeeKay]

Drop hat from the set and get the Dogma. That's what I'm doing.

This.

This is what I did in KMS for mine. You get the best of both worlds with 8 piece Tempest and Dogma: Full set effect from Tempest set (30 all stats, 35 MA, & the rest) and the Lumi bonus from Dogma Cap. If I'm not mistaken, that can compete with 4~5 set clean non pot Empress armor.

[ultimax21]

Also comes unique, saves cubing time.

[MetaSeraphim]

I agree with PeePeeAyeDeeKay since that is the way I was going to go.

[FangelXIII]

Thanks for the advice everyone, I got the Dogma on my Lumi. (Didn't get very good potential though, +1 skill levels and 6% weapon defense)

[Cere]

This.

This is what I did in KMS for mine. You get the best of both worlds with 8 piece Tempest and Dogma: Full set effect from Tempest set (30 all stats, 35 MA, & the rest) and the Lumi bonus from Dogma Cap. If I'm not mistaken, that can compete with 4~5 set clean non pot Empress armor.

Would you advise replacing Empress with Tempest?

[MetaSeraphim]

Would you advise replacing Empress with Tempest?

Comparing a clean Empress set with a clean Tempest set.

Empress Set

+45 W/Matt
+15% HP/MP
+20 all stat
+30% boss damage
+2 levels to all skills

Tempest Set

+10% HP/MP
+30 to all stats
+45 W/Matt


That is just from the set bonuses themselves and not the equips. The Tempest Set bonus is good, but the Empress edges it out. Even more so when you figure on all the good stats from the empress equips themselves.

And this is all just clean. But, the Tempest Set is really good until you can afford to replace it completely with the Empress Set.

[hadriel]

Let's put it this way then:

Spoiler

testing spoiler

Equipment	Tempest	Empress	Alternatives	Comments
Weapon	Yes	Yes	Whatever you can find e.g. Azwan	Not the deal-breaker imo
Helm	Yes	Yes	Dogma, Mesoranger, CZak	Dogma has non-chaos-able 6MA
Overall	Yes	Yes	Mesoranger	Helm + Overall Mesoranger = 10MA => average 5MA each, not considering scrolling (20+-INT each is easy to get tbh);
Gloves	Yes	Yes	Flamekeeper or whatever MA-dumping gloves; anything that gives DSE and DSI	Seriously should get DSI if you're Lumi and you're rich.
Shoes	Yes	Yes	Chaos-ed Dark Neli/Varr/Mesoranger shoes	Not the deal breaker imo... but I've seen some pretty decent stuff
Cape	Yes	Yes	Helsium; Purple capes; Balloons	Helsium IS the deal breaker! Empress cape is zomg expensive!
Belt	Yes	No	Helsium; Witch belt and related; Mystic belt; Silent Crusade belt	Helsium! Witch belt! Mystic set gives 6MA and 7all for 3rd, 4th and 5th set effects i.e. 3-4MA on average
Shoulder	Yes	No	Silent Crusade; the usual forged shoulders etc.	Tempest shoulder has pot!!!
Earrings	Yes	No	Scrolled earrings, Mystic earrings	The second-last deal breaker
Pendant	No	No	Silent Crusade; Dominater, C/HT, MoN, Mystic, [spirit pendant]	Tempest/Mystic/Silent Crusade are Chaos-able. Tempest NOT part of set
Ring	No	No	Explorer's magical ring; you name it...	Whatever. Note Explorers' now give +20% min crit damage. Tempest ring NOT part of set BUT has pot!!
Eye	No	No	Mystic (1MA, 1 slot), Goggles, whatever you could find over the years	Not sure if Mystic is pot-able.
Face	No	No	Mystic (1MA, 1 slot), crafted face paints, Reverse DB mask etc.	Ditto above.
Nett	8 items	6 items	Empress > Tempest if you're rich. Empress // Mystic/Rising sun but Tempest not fully compatible	If we're ever getting those Rising Tempest set items... I wouldn't get them other than for looks (13 items!)

In general, Chaos and pot if you are bloody rich, else keep the best pots and MA stuff. If you're very poor, Tempest is a good choice. Mystic set is found in Silent Crusade shops (gl with the ship rides), and its a good option if you're running out of Tempest coins so you can re-prioritise your coins. Chaos-able face and eye for Mystic sets = gl, on top of the 18 MA/21all from the set effect.

/edit: first time working with Tables, and it's working out poorly... anyone help? I've given up trying to get this to work!
/edit2: now working

Hadriel

[Nion]

Unique on reveal; maybe you could gamble for 9% int?

[Stereo]

/edit: first time working with Tables, and it's working out poorly... anyone help? I've given up trying to get this to work!

Hadriel

You just split elements with |, and rows with newlines
1|2|3
4|5|6
->

1	2	3
4	5	6

[hadriel]

You just split elements with |, and rows with newlines
1|2|3
4|5|6
->

1	2	3
4	5	6

You have a million of my thanks. I tried that yesterday but I think I screwed up somewhere. Guess I should start from the simplest of simplest always before trying big stuff. Thanks again.

Now that I've gotten some sleep and tackled a bit of brainwork, it's apparent that IF you're too poor to afford any Empress stuff at all, and are relying heavily on easy-to-get stuff like Tempest and Mystic set and Dogma, then the whole Tempest set is WAY better than Dogma + Mystic + incomplete Tempest. This is because:

Dogma + Mystic => 3 overlapping item slots; "marginal" benefit = 12MA+24INTequivalents
Tempest "marginal" cost = 25MA+30all

The problem is, the Mystic belt has no MA! Unlike the Silent Crusade ones that can be scrolled till you hit 3MA (or chaos it...)

Even then, the most important bits of this Tempest set is really the ring, shoulder, and maybe the cape. If you have not hit the very last set effect of Tempest yet, then Mesoranger is about equivalent to the Tempest items in marginal benefit before considering potential. It would take something like 8%INT to cover up for the last 15MA.

On the other hand, Empress items are getting cheaper... with the exception of the cape. Given that the Mystic set is fully orthogonal to the Empress set, you might want to consider making some money from the Tempest eq and converting them into Empress equivalents.

Hadriel