That's something i'm pretty sure they won't do. There's never that drastic a change after they've been changed once. Usually it's one change and it's done.Originally Posted by Russt
[1.2.178] Night Walker
That's something i'm pretty sure they won't do. There's never that drastic a change after they've been changed once. Usually it's one change and it's done.
Are you basing this off the other four?
Who said those are finalized?
I base that off fourth job way back when (iirc, they only changed those classes once), skill changes (berserk, double shot, dark sight time lowered, chakra, BoT, etc), and pirates.
Besides, they said "once testing for that class is finished, the next class will be released".
Oh right, I forgot they gave warriors a mini-FJ.Yeah pretty good points. Thing is though, rush is no where near as useful (speed wise obviously. There's nothing more useful than making a 10 monster mob the way it does) compared to soul jump (i don't remember the name atm, just woke up) UNLESS it has a delay like recoil shot does for gunslingers. Don't soul warriors have rush anyway? I don't remember. :/
For windbreakers: I wasn't exactly talking about the speed. I was referring to the damage. xD Dark sight is always welcome for them as well. :D
For mages: I never really touched on them, but still element neutrality (which for some reason when looking at the skills i can't find the skill for...someone must have mentioned it and i thought it was real >______>) is still godly.
160% base damage is still fairly weak. With crit since it's 4 separate hits the chance of it critting on all of those hits is pretty low compared to L7 which only has to crit twice (because SP automatically crits the other two hits). Also, vampire looks fairly slow to me. They're not spamming it in the video so i can't really tell though. Plus, there's no indication on whether or not vampire goes off your damage range or a special formula, which will make them suck even more because their damage ranges are the lowest in the game iirc. 40% of 1000 is still 400, and i don't think NLs hit 1000 base on their range until late third job. As far as 1v1 goes, it's no stronger than an early fourth job NL as far as i see. O_o If sudden strike is used for every TT attack, it'd be 195% per star but would probably lower it's attacks per minute down to 8x instead of close to 100.
Unless the skill description is lacking, the Windbreaker transform has no damage boost so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Late 3rd job? At 61 my Assassin's pilled range is hitting 950 or so. With Blessing it would probably be over 1000 already (I have 92 atk with warrior elixirs, so it would take level 4-5 blessing). Doing 200-1400 x 4 is still decent damage (average 3000 per target) - in fact it is better than my L7 (which hits about 1200-5300) unless it's against a single target.
Crits give Vampire only a slight disadvantage:
1/16: all 4 fail, 160%
1/4: 1 works, 260%
3/8: 2 work, 360%
1/4: 3 work, 460%
1/16: 4 work, 560%
Averages to 360%, L7 averages to 400%.
Last edited by Stereo; 2008-11-22 at 04:30 PM.
Albatross lets them use wind shot and magnum shot.
Really? O_o Meh. 40% still sounds like a fairly low hit anyway. Can't really compare a single hit skill to a mob skill though now can we?
Night walkers get SP at second job don't they? I don't remember. Is that 400% L7 average including SP? O_o
No, only crit.
Multiple low hits are actually favorable for critting classes, since critical operates independently of base damage %. In fact, if a NW was given SE, his Vampire would jump from 90% a hit to 172% a hit. With a possible 24 hits, that is a LOT.
Vampire doesn't work with SP, does it?
Vampire does only 40% damage a hit now
40% + 50% crit = 90%.
The "Dark sight" move, Wind Walk, boosts damage on wind-based moves. That would include Magnum shot and wind shot, as well as the KB move in second. Probably what he's thinking of.
Also, arguing about the Cygnus classes effectiveness at bosses is pretty much irrelevant... Their cap is 120, remember? No Nightwalker or Windbreaker is going to be able to HT like that, there's not much reason to take one to Zakum more than once, since anything they can do can also be done better by their normal counterparts...
People got through Pap and Zakum long before 4th came out, I'm sure Nightwalkers can too.
I didn't read the +SE part. I read the whole thing and I missed it. I thought you were referring to 90% -> 172% as no critical to with critical, which now that I think about it, doesn't make sense.
I stopped functioning correctly, I think.
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...after level 14x that is. If a cygnus class is level 120, then i think they overpower their normal counter parts up to level 14x or so, depending on funding. Mostly referring to zak and any other boss that ends up coming out in the future.
Dexless Night Walker anyone? O_o
Dang, and I thought nightwalkers would be doing something interesting with that mask.
I just noticed two more reasons why this class sucks.
1) You can't snipe with vampire. You have to be in the mob. Good luck to future night walkers and their lolhp.
2) No fake/damage reducers. Again, good luck taking a hit.
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