[In Progress] It's Miracle Time - Chances Of Going Up A Potential ...

[Dark Zero]

The title of the thread should be:
"it's Miracle Time!: A new way to scam people with cubes"

[Bomber]

Best 14 cube run ever.
Helmet:
Rare 2 line to Unique 15% str 6% HP 3 line.
3 super 2 premium
Cape:
6% str to 9% str 3% mp still epic. 2 cubes
Shoulders:
3% str 3% HP to 9%str still epic
1 super
Shoes:
Great disappointment. 2 super.
Sword:
Unique to legendary in 2 super cubes.
2 more cubes and I got 65% boss.

[MysticHLE]

Why doesn't the same logic apply to scrolls and mastery books?
(Or, at least, it's not supposed to apply)
They used to tell us Premium Cubes had a 25% chance of increasing lines from 2 to 3, then they removed that. Now we know absolutely nothing about the odds of any cube doing anything. That's disgusting. It's one thing to be fighting a RNG when cubing, it's quite another to be fighting an AI trying to maximize profits.

They very well can be controlling the fail/success rates of such things to manage fluctuations of new players or hacking for all we know (we just don't).

Proof: Just look at the personality trait system. Obviously it can affect scrolling rates without them doing an SC for every 5 levels of Diligence that you gain, no? =P

What we know is only limited to what Nexon tells us and our own experiences. No one believes 50% shield m. atk scrolls are 50%...but rather 30% because of our experiences with dark scroll colors and success rates.

Point is: they have the power to change a lot of things on the fly and we wouldn't be able to know/tell a difference unless the change is really significant.

Whether all of this control is managed closely by a human statistician analyst or AI is another question that we can't answer with absolute certainty unless we get into Nexon.

[SaptaZapta]

Personality trait system, and other things that change success rate ("lucky day" scroll, maybe others?) are different.
They are coded in and apply in a consistent way.
Coding in a "get today's arbitrary success rate" is an entirely different mechanism and is just inherently unfair, in my mind.

[MysticHLE]

Personality trait system, and other things that change success rate ("lucky day" scroll, maybe others?) are different.
They are coded in and apply in a consistent way.
Coding in a "get today's arbitrary success rate" is an entirely different mechanism and is just inherently unfair, in my mind.

The truth is that scroll success/failure rates are NOT coded in on the client side. It has been shown years ago that scroll success/failure is determined server side upon consumption (someone scrolled something, then server rolled back, and the scrolling outcome afterwards was different). Thus, what the server generates doesn't have to be a hard coded thing.

In fact, everything might very well follow the same model. The only difference is that certain items on the client side will have a string attached to it, "hinting" to you what it does and the success rate - that's the data that we see from extractions (correct me if I'm wrong please, Fiel).

The entire process can very well be something like this: some item object with an item token/id is generated from the server, you obtain said item by "picking it up" and sending a request back to the server. Upon use, you send the item id and get a result (which can be determined by item type (e.g. 60% vs 30% scroll) on the server side as determined from your item id) back from the server. That result of using the item (generated by the server as it is set up currently based on whatever conditions Nexon feels like) would be updated on the server side, and necessary feedback in the client to show that result would then be sent to you.

Again, what you perceive to be "coded in" and "consistent" can very well be nothing but a perception. Just remember that Nexon is a greedy business out to get your money.

[SaptaZapta]

That's true, of course, but the fact that it's written as 60% or whatever, hints that it's consistently coded (and I never said client side). Or at least started out that way, back in the innocent days of the original Wizet.

Items that don't even have an advertized success rate, and that Nexon shamelessly demonstrate that they can alter the success rate of at will, are conceptually different.
They might have been peeing in our pool the whole time, but now they are peeing from the high-diving board.

[MysticHLE]

Items that don't even have an advertized success rate, and that Nexon shamelessly demonstrate that they can alter the success rate of at will, are conceptually different.
They might have been peeing in our pool the whole time, but now they are peeing from the high-diving board.

Indeed, such is the way of Nexon...and that's why I try to stay on the other side of the pool while that happens.