Nexon America Inc. v. Ryan Michael Cornwall

[Takebacker]

This "Mike" is nobody on the list Nexon was targeting. It sounds more like doezx if you ask me. Cocky and egotistical.

Ryan = Alexandria. He changed his name to a more feminine one because he's transsexual. Ryan/Alexandria = Riukuzaki and last I knew he was still coding his own game. He has no siblings, he went to Baylor but I believe he was forced to drop out because of the lawsuit while at the same time trying to cover his mother's medical bills when she was committed to a hospital around the same time the lawsuit began. Basically Nexon ruined his/her life because he created a free packet editor that a bunch of teenagers used to exploit their game.

It's pretty unfair for anyone to say "phucc them" when you don't actually know the person. Lawsuits are serious, games are not. Wanting hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages from a person who can barely afford their tuition because they create a program to use on your 2D game is what America is all about.

Failing to evaluate the risks of your actions regardless of your financial/life standing and doing it anyway is what America is all about. Yet he presses on with another potential lawsuit regardless...

[KhainiWest]

Failing to evaluate the risks of your actions regardless of your financial/life standing and doing it anyway is what America is all about. Yet he presses on with another potential lawsuit regardless...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds this troubling. I'll just copy what I said in a previous conversation;

[8:02:57 PM] Khainiwest: I don't think it's an effort issue, it's a principle one. I don't care what he chooses to do, no skin off my back, but I just can't fathom how someone's initial reaction is to make a fan website(he claimed that's essentially his end game intention, or to get rid of fansites all together). His excuse is to help the community, which indirectly helps nexon in the end I suppose. It just doesn't make any sense to me that you would associate yourself with the very company that ruined your life in any form, no matter how effortless

[8:08:09 PM] Khainiwest: Crippling debt he's never going to crawl out from, in fact he proceeds to take another risky maneuver. Sure there is a thing called "regret" but looking at a 500 grand bill that has no possibility going away, they may as well ripped any hope of a plausible future away lol[8:08:55 PM] Khainiwest: I can't feel regret when I'm thrown under the bus so hard just to set an example

That's an entirely different matter though, atone for what? The game is a joke to people like him. It's not about being wrong or right, I believe it's to save face from such an embarrassing feat. People granted do react in different ways, but that's why I say I can't understand why he would react this way, it's the most illogical way to do so. You don't associate yourself who pretty much robbed you, granted thers that whole "Give the robber everything you have to make him feel guilty", like those green text stories you read. But jesus christ, they took away his education, any hope of his family recovering. This is much deeper than "i was wrong" or it should be
[8:12:04 PM] Khainiwest: I was always taught if you are mistreated by a service, you drop it, otherwise you support it

Essentially for context, others believe that he's essentially trying to do good things for the community to make up his past, I disagree, but I maybe just being a pessimist.

[kayeyearekay]

late to the thread but caught up on most of the (main) details. the fm site, while not malicious in intent, is something that real markets do for customers. Economics calls it a "Perfect Information" system that allows customers to choose the best product for the lowest price.
think about progressive, or all state insurance companies, and how they let you see and compare prices on the spot. the site will help to stabilize prices of items already being sold. sure, it will help people undercut profits, but that is already being done. in ymck, before black friday stores expired, it took me almost an hour to check every shop for prices. that site, while breaking the tos via bot, scrub or w/e else, is, as it stands, not hurtful to the game at all. In a few minutes, i can search up my items and price them against similar items. Or i can search for that ONE THING i really need (purple powders o.o?) without needing to spend time in every single shop looking for the best price.

as long as he keeps his methods to himself, this could ultimately benefit nexon, even leading to an albeit shaky employment opportunity. maybe a one-time payday for method details. A possible streamline addition to the upcoming auction software that's buggy at best.

i believe the initial problem with rui was after the public release of methods. it's perfectly fine to hack the gibson when all you're doing is proving you could. problems obviously started after he opened the door and everyone began abusing the method.

and about the legal action taken. doesnt this create prescience for other suits against hackers and sites? nexon needed this win to protect future interests. lost revenue is not just about NX sales, its also selling mesos from well-known meso farmer sites, paying staff overtime to fix massive problems (that get broken too quickly) and, any time you take a service offline, you lose revenue. In december (now january) alone, the server down time is significant! nexon even took merchants and permits out of CS. that's like (cough i had to) burger king or mcdonalds removing/blocking the drive thru windows.

I dont really see nexon as the big bad bully cracking down on a poor kid. its more like they got the biggest drug dealer they could find, even if they can't touch the columbian drug farms, a major, and very public, player was hit hard.
i wonder if *they* could have rolled on Bizarro, would *their* suits be less?

[KhainiWest]

The problem with this scare tactic, as anyone probably figured in the beginning, suing a bunch of young adults which are essentiall the poorest people in the country by far, won't reall yield them any money. You think they'll ever see that 3/4's of a million dollars from someone making free fansites?

[Typhoon]

I dont really see nexon as the big bad bully cracking down on a poor kid. its more like they got the biggest drug dealer they could find, even if they can't touch the columbian drug farms, a major, and very public, player was hit hard.
i wonder if *they* could have rolled on Bizarro, would *their* suits be less?

In theory, it is a good scare tactic, because his program was probably the most well known public one for anyone to use. But it completely failed lol, all they've done is, what has already been said, throw a forever-unpayable bill at a few people. Riu's site is still up, the other site is still up, the other program is still being sold, and as far as I know, the people named in this lawsuit have really been untouched aside from Douglas and Ryan/Alex.

They can't touch the ones that are able to flee to China, and have no idea who Cam really is because of how well he keeps his identity hidden from every single person aside from 2-3 admins on the other site in order to get his pay.


I simply cannot wait for MS2 to get here, because Nexon has upset quite a few people, and those few people are hellbound on destroying that game before it even gets out of beta.

The only reason I don't back Nexon at all in this thing, is because they went after people who had absolutely no hand in creating any program. They were merely moderators of the forum, and Nexon easily found their names, so they tacked them onto the entire thing.

[Takebacker]

I simply cannot wait for MS2 to get here, because Nexon has upset quite a few people, and those few people are hellbound on destroying that game before it even gets out of beta.

Sounds like more entertainment value than i was expecting to get out of the actual game itself.

[RayGun]

well if they had found bizarro and the other chinese parties, I believe they kept a database of accounts which use their b0t. since the b0t license is locked to a certain account. well just an interesting possibility for you guys to think about.


person who suggested precedent of the case against hackers - prob not. nexon only won since alleged h4ckers ran out of money or gave up

the case is very flimsy. as typhoon said, they were just moderators. if they had backed themselfs and had enough money to pay for lawyers, nexon could not have won. even against riu himself, the case was very flimsy and probably would have failed if he wasn't forced to give up

the damages awarded are far in excess of any possible measure of damage done to the game. due to the construction of the IP law regime. mosf of these people are just kids

[kayeyearekay]

well if they had found bizarro and the other chinese parties, I believe they kept a database of accounts which use their b0t. since the b0t license is locked to a certain account. well just an interesting possibility for you guys to think about.


person who suggested precedent of the case against hackers - prob not. nexon only won since alleged h4ckers ran out of money or gave up

the case is very flimsy. as typhoon said, they were just moderators. if they had backed themselfs and had enough money to pay for lawyers, nexon could not have won. even against riu himself, the case was very flimsy and probably would have failed if he wasn't forced to give up

the damages awarded are far in excess of any possible measure of damage done to the game. due to the construction of the IP law regime. mosf of these people are just kids

because they are kids, they are not accountable for actions? that's not how laws work; and yes i agree the total fee is much too high, and should be re-evaluated.
those defending themselves are having a much harder time as nexon keeps making headway. this is not an underdog story who ran out of money and lost. and while he should have started with jurisdiction argument, i believe that as soon as he showed up, he would eventually lose. having more money than your opponent is also a strategy, and both sides kept asking for delayed appearances.

[KhainiWest]

well if they had found bizarro and the other chinese parties, I believe they kept a database of accounts which use their b0t. since the b0t license is locked to a certain account. well just an interesting possibility for you guys to think about.


person who suggested precedent of the case against hackers - prob not. nexon only won since alleged h4ckers ran out of money or gave up

the case is very flimsy. as typhoon said, they were just moderators. if they had backed themselfs and had enough money to pay for lawyers, nexon could not have won. even against riu himself, the case was very flimsy and probably would have failed if he wasn't forced to give up

the damages awarded are far in excess of any possible measure of damage done to the game. due to the construction of the IP law regime. mosf of these people are just kids

Rui apparently is like mid 20's. Most of these people are actually the 18 threshold.

because they are kids, they are not accountable for actions? that's not how laws work; and yes i agree the total fee is much too high, and should be re-evaluated.
those defending themselves are having a much harder time as nexon keeps making headway. this is not an underdog story who ran out of money and lost. and while he should have started with jurisdiction argument, i believe that as soon as he showed up, he would eventually lose. having more money than your opponent is also a strategy, and both sides kept asking for delayed appearances.

A minor being sued for this would probably be an entirely different story, maybe not even entertained.

[Coogi]

well if they had found bizarro and the other chinese parties, I believe they kept a database of accounts which use their b0t. since the b0t license is locked to a certain account. well just an interesting possibility for you guys to think about.


person who suggested precedent of the case against hackers - prob not. nexon only won since alleged h4ckers ran out of money or gave up

the case is very flimsy. as typhoon said, they were just moderators. if they had backed themselfs and had enough money to pay for lawyers, nexon could not have won. even against riu himself, the case was very flimsy and probably would have failed if he wasn't forced to give up

the damages awarded are far in excess of any possible measure of damage done to the game. due to the construction of the IP law regime. mosf of these people are just kids

another program on another site is locked to an account, BT is locked to your hardware ID...or used to be.

[Typhoon]

Sounds like more entertainment value than i was expecting to get out of the actual game itself.

It's the sole reason I'm sticking around until the release of the beta. I mean if at this point in MS1's lifespan, there are working scripts that brute force PICs, it'll be no surprise when MS2's legs are taken out right off the bat.

[Five Second Pose]

late to the thread but caught up on most of the (main) details. the fm site, while not malicious in intent, is something that real markets do for customers. Economics calls it a "Perfect Information" system that allows customers to choose the best product for the lowest price.
think about progressive, or all state insurance companies, and how they let you see and compare prices on the spot. the site will help to stabilize prices of items already being sold. sure, it will help people undercut profits, but that is already being done. in ymck, before black friday stores expired, it took me almost an hour to check every shop for prices. that site, while breaking the tos via bot, scrub or w/e else, is, as it stands, not hurtful to the game at all. In a few minutes, i can search up my items and price them against similar items. Or i can search for that ONE THING i really need (purple powders o.o?) without needing to spend time in every single shop looking for the best price.

Yes, but you have to remember that the market in an online game is not going to end up the same as one in real life. There are more controls available in an online market, and the existence of the online market itself is a profit motive for Nexon. They sell owls, remember. Nexon doesn't reap monetary benefit from the meso price, they reap a benefit from the existence of market activity.

[PhiberOptics]

My first comment on this site is that i hope nexon shuts down that one maple hacking site who's name I am too stupid to know not to try to say because clearly I'm too dumb to read the rules on sharing hacking related links i really can't stand all the wanna be hackers that site has and the people who run that site are no better i mean it really ticks me off to see a bunch of little kids thinking their elite hackers because they vip cheats or leech content from others.

I've spent 13 years studying Computer Security and Ethical Hacking and i tell you one thing real hackers won't waste their time messing with a little kids game. The money these littles kids think they make buy duping and scamming people is chump change compared to what some of these hackers i know make were talking $10k+ finding security holes in facebook firefox and google stuff just to name a few.

These kids hear on the news about lulzsec and anonymous doing attacks and they think they can become a hacker in 24 hours when it takes years because in the world of cyber security you will always be learning something know.

Highly doubt any of them know how to operate a command line operating system like unix or linux without a graphical interface.

[Takebacker]

Highly doubt any of them know how to operate a command line operating system like unix or linux without a graphical interface.

I can't hack and i know how to do this somewhat competently though. At least for my own purposes. They aren't really related.