Few questions on Character card deck system

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Did some data collection, each level up on the target character with the Paly effect increases range by a small amount. This table is for the displayed range:

Displayed Ranges per level

Level	B (0.5)	A (1.0)	S (1.5)	B+S (2.0)	A+S(2.5)	S+S(3.0)
10	102	112	112	122	122	132
11	102	113	113	124	124	135
12	102	114	114	126	126	138
13	102	115	115	128	128	141
14	102	116	116	130	130	144
15	102	117	117	132	132	147
16	102	118	118	134	134	150
17	102	119	119	136	136	153
18	102	120	120	138	138	156
19	102	121	121	140	140	159
20	102	122	122	142	142	162
21	102	123	123	144	144	165
22	102	124	124	146	146	168
23	102	125	125	148	148	171
24	102	126	126	150	150	174
25	102	127	127	152	152	177
26	102	128	128	154	154	180
27	102	129	129	156	156	183
28	102	130	130	158	158	186
29	102	131	131	160	160	189
30	102	132	132	162	162	192
31	102	133	133	164	164	195
32	102	134	134	166	166	198
33	102	135	135	168	168	201
34	102	136	136	170	170	204
35	102	137	137	172	172	207
36	102	138	138	174	174	210
37	102	139	139	176	176	213
38	102	140	140	178	178	216
39	102	141	141	180	180	219
40	102	142	142	182	182	222
41	102	143	143	184	184	225
42	102	144	144	186	186	228
43	102	145	145	188	188	231
44	102	146	146	190	190	234
45	102	147	147	192	192	237
46	102	148	148	194	194	240
47	102	149	149	196	196	243
48	102	150	150	198	198	246
49	102	151	151	200	200	249
50	102	152	152	202	202	252
51	102	153	153	204	204	255
52	102	154	154	206	206	258
53	102	155	155	208	208	261
54	102	156	156	210	210	264
55	102	157	157	212	212	267
56	102	158	158	214	214	270
57	102	159	159	216	216	273
58	102	160	160	218	218	276
59	102	161	161	220	220	279
60	102	162	162	222	222	282

Done in kMST, this is as far as I can go without adding AP/SP, but for 10~60, STR was 52 and DEX was 10 constantly, Weapon was 15atk, Blessing was 24atk, on character using the beginner 1H Axe/BW/Sword, so actual range should be 1.2*(4*52+10)*39/100, or 102. Only change was character level. I have a feeling I should do A+B's 1.5x effect. Note that you cannot have two Paly's, or any combination of Paly's job advancements, in the same deck, so the stacking effect was achieved by putting each one card in each of the two decks allowed.

[Death]

Yeah, I mean, we have KMS players on here and I'm pretty sure at least one plays a Paladin so ???

You would think so wouldn't you.
There aren't even any videos for the new warrior revamp in that thread KMSfan made a while back.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Note that you cannot have two Paly's, or any combination of Paly's job advancements, in the same deck, so the stacking effect was achieved by putting each one card in each of the two decks allowed.

ARE YOU SERIOUS -_____-

I really don't want to make 2 of the same class, that's kind of ridiculous. They should just make it 1 deck of 6 cards and possibly expand it for more cards later.

@Table: Thanks for that. I'll play around with it later unless someone beats me to it.

[Takebacker]

Wait.

I thought it WAS one deck of 6 cards. It's two decks of 3 cards? And they don't stack?

[Liteness]

Wait.

I thought it WAS one deck of 6 cards. It's two decks of 3 cards? And they don't stack?

he's saying they do stack, just can't put 2 (page/wk/paly) in 1 deck but u can put 1 in each deck

[CrazyForDex]

he's saying they do stack, just can't put 2 (page/wk/paly) in 1 deck but u can put 1 in each deck

Oh dear god... this completely changes this system for me and potentially is giving me SO much more work. F'uck.

[Grey]

Wait.

I thought it WAS one deck of 6 cards. It's two decks of 3 cards? And they don't stack?

No, it's two decks of three, otherwise it'd be impossible to achieve any set effects other than the ones based on card rank. After all, there's only 5 Adventurers, 4 Resistance, 4 Heroes, etc, and only 5 Archers, 5 Pirates. You could get all warrior, mage, and thief with a lot of effort, though, I guess.

You cannot put multiples of the same class in a deck, so at best you could double the effects given by a certain class if you have two of them and you put one into each deck.

You recieve the effects of every card on every character in the server, and they all stack. So, for instance, if you had a deck of all SS ranked cards, Demon Slayer, Hero, Aran, and all S Ranked cards, Bow Master, Marksman, Wild Hunter, then you get both the SS Set Bonus and the S Set Bonus, as well as the all warrior and all archer effects, and then the individual effects of the cards themselves.

There might be some effects that are unable to stack, like perhaps, instant kill, and the drain from Arans and Evans.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting the best effects, it takes a lot more work than just getting link skills or those items they used to give out for leveling characters. It's a nice bonus, sure, but it's probably not worth all the trouble.

@Table: Thanks for that. I'll play around with it later unless someone beats me to it.

The more I look at the info, the more I think it's just floor(CardEffect)+Range, I remember a higher leveled character with more weapon attack and stats only getting an increase of 1 range, with the S Paladin effect. Combine this with the fact that solving for weapon attack using the displayed ranges and stats gives you some weird numbers, when usually it would give you something rather close to an even number, but it gives you values like 43.195, and etc. I doubt that's it, though, it's too simple.

[Sorien]

You cannot put multiples of the same class in a deck, so at best you could double the effects given by a certain class if you have two of them and you put one into each deck.

One Mech in each deck... +40% buff duration.

[Takebacker]

One Mech in each deck... +40% buff duration.

+30% realistically. :/ Assuming 200s for this is kind of ridiculous imo. Getting 1 is pretty tough. Getting two of the same class to 200? Way too much effort.

[MissingLink]

The more I look at the info, the more I think it's just floor(CardEffect)+Range, I remember a higher leveled character with more weapon attack and stats only getting an increase of 1 range, with the S Paladin effect. Combine this with the fact that solving for weapon attack using the displayed ranges and stats gives you some weird numbers, when usually it would give you something rather close to an even number, but it gives you values like 43.195, and etc. I doubt that's it, though, it's too simple.

When I looked at the table, I understood it to be ranges with varying card bonuses applied. Is that not the correct interpretation?
So the level 60 target character got a range boost of 60*3 with two S bonuses.
The maximum range bonus possible from a single level 200 paladin to another level 200 (or the paladin itself) would thus be 400. Nice, but not game-breaking when high-end players have ranges of 100k or more.

Similarly, the maximum damage boost from lvl 200 Buccanneer to another lvl 200 would be 5*200 = 1000. Nice, but not really much when high-end players hit 100k damage numbers and more.

Edit: RE comment below
I wasn't saying that it was the same variable as paladin.
We have "Viper – for every level, increase damage by 5" (for rank SS), so level 200 gets 200*5 damage boost.

[Locked]

Buccaneers don't have lv2pdX. They have lv2DamX. Completely different variable.

[Stereo]

Did some data collection, each level up on the target character with the Paly effect increases range by a small amount. This table is for the displayed range:

Displayed Ranges per level

Level	B (0.5)	A (1.0)	S (1.5)	B+S (2.0)	A+S(2.5)	S+S(3.0)
10	102	112	112	122	122	132
11	102	113	113	124	124	135
12	102	114	114	126	126	138
13	102	115	115	128	128	141
14	102	116	116	130	130	144
15	102	117	117	132	132	147
16	102	118	118	134	134	150
17	102	119	119	136	136	153
18	102	120	120	138	138	156
19	102	121	121	140	140	159
20	102	122	122	142	142	162
21	102	123	123	144	144	165
22	102	124	124	146	146	168
23	102	125	125	148	148	171
24	102	126	126	150	150	174
25	102	127	127	152	152	177
26	102	128	128	154	154	180
27	102	129	129	156	156	183
28	102	130	130	158	158	186
29	102	131	131	160	160	189
30	102	132	132	162	162	192
31	102	133	133	164	164	195
32	102	134	134	166	166	198
33	102	135	135	168	168	201
34	102	136	136	170	170	204
35	102	137	137	172	172	207
36	102	138	138	174	174	210
37	102	139	139	176	176	213
38	102	140	140	178	178	216
39	102	141	141	180	180	219
40	102	142	142	182	182	222
41	102	143	143	184	184	225
42	102	144	144	186	186	228
43	102	145	145	188	188	231
44	102	146	146	190	190	234
45	102	147	147	192	192	237
46	102	148	148	194	194	240
47	102	149	149	196	196	243
48	102	150	150	198	198	246
49	102	151	151	200	200	249
50	102	152	152	202	202	252
51	102	153	153	204	204	255
52	102	154	154	206	206	258
53	102	155	155	208	208	261
54	102	156	156	210	210	264
55	102	157	157	212	212	267
56	102	158	158	214	214	270
57	102	159	159	216	216	273
58	102	160	160	218	218	276
59	102	161	161	220	220	279
60	102	162	162	222	222	282

Done in kMST, this is as far as I can go without adding AP/SP, but for 10~60, STR was 52 and DEX was 10 constantly, Weapon was 15atk, Blessing was 24atk, on character using the beginner 1H Axe/BW/Sword, so actual range should be 1.2*(4*52+10)*39/100, or 102. Only change was character level. I have a feeling I should do A+B's 1.5x effect. Note that you cannot have two Paly's, or any combination of Paly's job advancements, in the same deck, so the stacking effect was achieved by putting each one card in each of the two decks allowed.

]Level	B (0.5)	A (1.0)	S (1.5)	B+S (2.0)	A+S(2.5)	S+S(3.0)
60	102	162	162	222	222	282
	B +0	A +60	S +60	B+S +120	A+S +120	S+S +180

Looks like it's damage equal to character level times a rounded down whole number.
So a level 60 gets +60 damage from an A (1.0) or +60 from an S (1.5), but +120 from B+S (.5+1.5). Presumably SS is 2.0 and would give +120 on its own, and SS+SS would be +240 damage.

Doesn't seem all that useful, unless you can compare these on a character with a range farther from 100 and show that it's not still just +60 damage from an S card.

Might also be interesting to try it on an Aran with Ice Charge and see if that multiplies it or not.


Looks like for me the best thing to do is get a 6th S-rank char on my account, to go in my Aran-Demonslayer set. Is a Demonslayer a Hero or a Resistance?

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200 Paladin
200 Demon Slayer
120+ Aran
120+ Mechanic
120+ Mercedes
120+ Battle Mage

Hero’s Activity S Rank set
Warrior Rush set
Resistance’s Spark

That's my setup until I feel like a total sadistic and decide to level multiples of the same class...

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200 Paladin
200 Demon Slayer
120+ Aran
120+ Mechanic
120+ Mercedes
120+ Battle Mage

Hero’s Activity S Rank set
Warrior Rush set
Resistance’s Spark

That's my setup until I feel like a total sadistic and decide to level multiples of the same class...

You'd only be able to get either Warrior Rush or Resistance's Spark, the three cards have to be in the same deck for the set bonus to apply, so Demon Slayer will either complete Warrior Rush or Resistance's Spark. Since they're all at least S Ranked, you'd get the S Rank set effect twice, though.

Looks like for me the best thing to do is get a 6th S-rank char on my account, to go in my Aran-Demonslayer set. Is a Demonslayer a Hero or a Resistance?

It's Resistance

[Dark Link]

Since they're all at least S Ranked, you'd get the S Rank set effect twice, though.

I'm assuming they would stack?
If so, then I can live with that. I didn't think I'd be able to get the same set effect twice.

[Grey]

I'm assuming they would stack?
If so, then I can live with that. I didn't think I'd be able to get the same set effect twice.

I'm pretty sure they would, though I don't have enough slots on kMST to be sure, and I have a grand total of 1 4th jobber on my kMS account, but across my 8 characters, I completed the A Rank Set effect twice, and I have both effects listed, or A or B, maybe.

[Chicocl]

I will go with:

S rank Aran, mercedes and Phantom for Great Return, Hero's Activity S.

And S rank Canon Shooter, Corsair and Buccaner for Pirate's Spirit, Free Spirit and Hero's Activity.

Total Bonuses:

1400 HP/MP, 6 A.tt/M.Att, 6% damage on bosses, 14 all stats, 6-7% Defense ignore, 4% total damage, -4% exp lost when dying, 7-8% summon duration, 6% every 60 second drain, 5% skill cooldown reduction and 3% meso drop.

I could change to Aran, DS (i have a 11x DS) and create another warrior for Warrior Rush but i don't know if that 10% Hp to damage is in range or in damage output if it is in range then i will create a Dark knight since i have my aran equips.

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Here's a picture of my character cards in kMS, along with the list of set effects, which are Thief Set - A Rank, A Rank Set, and A Rank Set, I'm reluctant to delete any of my characters, but if you make a new character, it'd be really obvious the sets stack since it'd be a beginner with 1k more HP than normal.

[Stereo]

You'd only be able to get either Warrior Rush or Resistance's Spark, the three cards have to be in the same deck for the set bonus to apply, so Demon Slayer will either complete Warrior Rush or Resistance's Spark. Since they're all at least S Ranked, you'd get the S Rank set effect twice, though.



It's Resistance

Ok, so no real options for a good set bonus until I transfer my Crusader to Bera (first set would be Paladin-DrK-Cannoneer for an Adventurer bonus, or Paladin-DrK-Aran for Warrior bonus, second Aran-DS-X or Cannoneer-DS-X.)

Meh, S + A rank set bonuses aren't too bad.

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167 Paladin: Adventurer Warrior
158 Aran: Hero Warrior
143 Dark Knight: Adventurer Warrior
121 Demon Slayer: Resistance Warrior
121 Cannoneer: Adventurer Pirate
120 Dawn Warrior: Cygnus Warrior
87 Outlaw: Adventurer Pirate
70 Battle Mage: Resistance Magician
70 Mercedes: Hero Bowman
37 Fighter: Adventurer Warrior

3x S Warrior (Pala Aran DS) or 3x S Adventurer (Pala DrK Cannoneer) are possible, and 3x A Warrior (Aran DS DW) or 3x A Adventurer (DK Cannoneer Outlaw)

So I guess I get S Warrior + A Adv. or S Adv. + A Warrior. Either way the Paladin, Aran, DrK, Cannoneer, and DS individual bonuses get used. 6th char is DW (3% wdef) or Outlaw (6% summon duration). None of my characters use summons with annoyingly short timers except the Outlaw itself, so meh. 2 all stats vs. 2% HP to damage, I think the 2% HP to damage wins so the S Warrior set is marginally better.

[ShinkuDragon]

S rank pally, DrK, demon slayer, DB.
do cygnus count? meh, guess it's time for me to start training classes to 120 ~_~. can probably train a hero to 120 to get triple S/adventurer/warrior buffs all at the same time.