*Sigh* Arizona...

[Jedward]

The second part of your point is laughable. It's like saying I want to take Viagra for my heart condition. If you got a problem like heavy periods, talk to your doctor and have him prescribe something that is sold for the purpose of treating it.

My fault, I meant that you shouldn't really need to wait to get a diagnosis and a prescription before you're allowed to buy something that can fix your problem immediately. It's just stupid.

Not sure why you're even pointing that out? The article already says they are still covered if used for medical purposes. The second part of your point is laughable. It's like saying I want to take Viagra for my heart condition.

Terrible analogy. What the pineapple? And you don't get the point. No one's disputing that they don't have medicinal purposes, the entire point is that you shouldn't need to ask for permission from your employer to buy viagra for your erectile dysfunction, or birth control pills for your PMS/heavy flow/menstrual cramps.

[Netto]

Why should health insurance cover your birth control???? If you don't want kids, don't have sex.

You're basically asking everyone else to pay a higher premium so you can have sex for pleasure.

If you want to have sex, pay for it out of your own pocket.

Holy s'hit. Must refrain from replying.

I will say one thing. Fix your ridiculous argument.

[Corn]

Not sure why you're even pointing that out? The article already says they are still covered if used for medical purposes. The second part of your point is laughable. It's like saying I want to take Viagra for my heart condition. If you got a problem like heavy periods, talk to your doctor and have him prescribe something that is sold for the purpose of treating it.

happylight, humans were pretty much literally made to have sex. It would take extraordinary self control to remain abstinent forever.

[happylight]

Terrible analogy. What the pineapple? And you don't get the point. No one's disputing that they don't have medicinal purposes, the entire point is that you shouldn't need to ask for permission from your employer to buy viagra for your erectile dysfunction, or birth control pills for your PMS/heavy flow/menstrual cramps.

If you want other people to pay for part of the meds that you're using, someone better make sure that you actually need it. Otherwise that's just going to lead to abuse.

I will say one thing. Fix your ridiculous argument.

Mind pointing out what's ridiculous?

happylight, humans were pretty much literally made to have sex. It would take extraordinary self control to remain abstinent forever.

If you have the foresight to purchase birth control, you have the foresight to realize you're too poor to afford a kid. If you still decide to have sex after that, then it's your own poor decision making.

To be clear, I'm not against birth control. I'm against making other people pay for something that's not used to save your life. It's an luxury item. Pay for it yourself.

[Corn]

1) Some people don't have kids not just because they're too poor >_>.
2) What do you mean, it's poor decision making? It's GOOD that YOU'RE BUYING BIRTH CONTROL if YOU DON'T WANT KIDS.
3) Shame you're not a guy (well, are you?) so you don't realize how hard is it for guys to control their plantains. If you were a guy though we wouldn't be having this argument.

[Raul]

If you want other people to pay for part of the meds that you're using, someone better make sure that you actually need it. Otherwise that's just going to lead to abuse.

Yeah, I know some girls who snort spermicide every friday night.

Mind pointing out what's ridiculous?

He quoted your whole post, did he not?

If you have the foresight to purchase birth control, you have the foresight to realize you're too poor to afford a kid. If you still decide to have sex after that, then it's your own poor decision making.

Or you simply just don't want a kid.

To be clear, I'm not against birth control. I'm against making other people pay for something that's not used to save your life. It's an luxury item. Pay for it yourself.

As are the ADHD medicines I take. Yet they are covered by my health insurance.

[happylight]

1) Some people don't have kids not just because they're too poor >_>.
2) What do you mean, it's poor decision making? It's GOOD that YOU'RE BUYING BIRTH CONTROL if YOU DON'T WANT KIDS.
3) Shame you're not a guy (well, are you?) so you don't realize how hard is it for guys to control their plantains. If you were a guy though we wouldn't be having this argument.

1) I think my English is not parsing this sentence correctly. So some people have kids because they're too poor?
2) Yes it is good if you don't want kids and you bought birth control. But if you didn't get the birth control because you're poor and your insurance won't pay for it, and then you went and had sex anyway, then it's poor decision making.
3) I am a guy. My insurance doesn't pay for my condoms either. If I didn't have a condom on me, I wouldn't have sex even if a hot girl is naked in front of me.

Yeah, I know some girls who snort spermicide every friday night.

And I know some people who'd take any freebie possible even if they don't need it.

He quoted your whole post, did he not?

My post made sense to me so I still don't see it.

Or you simply just don't want a kid.

Then don't have sex unless you can afford either birth control or raising a kid.

As are the ADHD medicines I take. Yet they are covered by my health insurance.

When I said "save your life" I meant for medical purpose.

[Corn]

I'm guessing either happylight's or my idea of how insurance works is wrong.

I'm hoping it's happylight's, but it could be mine.

Here's how I thought it works:

1) You pay small sums every month for insurance.

2) If you get an accident, insurance company has to pay for you. The money that it uses may or may not include other insurance holder's money. It all depends on how much you pay per insurance each month and how much accidents you have.

3) Repeat.

If that is how it works, then technically other people are, yes, paying for your condoms. But they signed it in the agreement that the insurance company can pay whatever accident you gave them your money for? I mean, they get their own condoms and accidents and crap paid by other people too in return for this, so it works out.

Oh, and my grammar was bad in that sentence.

"Being poor is not the only reason why people don't have kids."

There, that's better.

[Raul]

1) I think my English is not parsing this sentence correctly. So some people have kids because they're too poor?

He's saying: Poverty is not the sole factor in deciding whether or not you have kids.

2) Yes it is good if you don't want kids and you bought birth control. But if you didn't get the birth control because you're poor and your insurance won't pay for it, and then you went and had sex anyway, then it's poor decision making.

See:

happylight, humans were pretty much literally made to have sex. It would take extraordinary self control to remain abstinent forever.

3) I am a guy. My insurance doesn't pay for my condoms either. If I didn't have a condom on me, I wouldn't have sex even if a hot girl is naked in front of me.

Planned Parenthood does.

And I know some people who'd take any freebie possible even if they don't need it.

I'm not sure if you understand insurance. You need an actual reason to get something. Besides, insurance doesn't pay for all of it, only some of it (in most cases).

My post made sense to me so I still don't see it.

If you still don't see it, you won't.

Then don't have sex unless you can afford either birth control or raising a kid.

Again, see:

happylight, humans were pretty much literally made to have sex. It would take extraordinary self control to remain abstinent forever.

When I said "save your life" I meant for medical purpose.

There are thousands of things covered by health insurance that are not life-or-death deciders. Maybe you'd like contacts to be 10x more expensive, or prescription allergy medicine to be worth its weight in gold.

[Jedward]

I was just gonna put this out there and say that Corn is probably right. Then again, I'm not an American citizen, so.

[SaptaZapta]

And I know some people who'd take any freebie possible even if they don't need it.

That's what prescriptions are for.
Also, as has been pointed out above, the medical expenses associated with a pregnancy, wanted or otherwise, are much higher than the cost of birth control. It is in the insurance company's best interest to buy birth control for everyone.
Even the law's proponents don't talk about costs. They talk about religion. So I guess employers who are Christian Scientists and believe in no medical intervention with the will of God at all, they needn't give their employees any medical coverage whatsoever.


I suppose you don't think insurance should cover pain medication, either? It doesn't save lives, just makes them more comfortable. If you're not man enough to grit your teeth and suffer your pain, pay for your own meds?

[Netto]

Mind pointing out what's ridiculous?

1. Why should health insurance cover your birth control???? If you don't want kids, don't have sex.



1. Birth control has other things to it than "stopping kids".
2. "Don't want kids, don't have sex".
Sure you can put similar subjects together in a sentence, but make sure it pieces together...
3. You may not know this, but healthcare is expensive. If companies cover birth control, there will be easier access to birth control and abortions/unintended pregnancies can be lowered while educating women (and some men >_>) about their health and bodies.


2. You're basically asking everyone else to pay a higher premium so you can have sex for pleasure.

- Who the hell has sex for pleasure? (don't answer that. It's rhetorical.) You can still get pregnant while on birth control, you know. Anyone who has sex for pleasure and is carefree about it deserves the consequences.

3. If you want to have sex, pay for it out of your own pocket.

- Small fact: Most people already do. The others simply can't pay for it.

[Locked]

happylight is Rush Limbaugh? Colour me shocked.

[Moonlapse]

Lots of angry people in this thread. You guys sound like the screaming ladies on The View. This bill is probably just backlash from Obama's birth control coverage mandate in the health care bill. Like Will said earlier, it is very unlikely this could survive a supreme court case. So RELAX.

[RahlsSoldier]

Seems very dumb to me if insurance companies actually act on these provisions and don't provide coverage any ways. It would be incredibly expensive for them cover one pregnancy compared to birth control. Birth control is at most 50 dollars per month. "The average cost of a normal pregnancy and birth is about $7,600, according to a 2007 report from the Department of Health and Human Services." That is just the cost of the pregnancy and delivery, not any of the vaccinations or following checkups with a paediatrician. So if an insurance company covers birth control for 13 years, they have equalled the cost of single pregnancy.

I can see happylight's opinion and reasoning, as technically sex is a recreational activity, unless you are trying to get pregnant, in which case this law doesn't effect you. Personally, I think it is foolish to not cover birth control, as the USA has enough unplanned and unwanted pregnancies as it is. They don't need more and this is an easy way to increase that number.

Source: http://healthinsurance.about.com/lw/...nce-Cover-.htm

[happylight]

I'm guessing either happylight's or my idea of how insurance works is wrong.

I'm hoping it's happylight's, but it could be mine.

Yes that is the way insurance works. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. Health insurance would not cover my vitamins, or diet pills, or Viagra, or cigarettes.

He's saying: Poverty is not the sole factor in deciding whether or not you have kids.

Planned Parenthood does.

Exactly. If you got pregnant while you didn't plan to have kids, then you have only yourself to blame.

I'm not sure if you understand insurance. You need an actual reason to get something. Besides, insurance doesn't pay for all of it, only some of it (in most cases).

That's what I've been saying. You need a medical reason for getting insurance to pay for birth control. If you only want birth control to prevent from getting pregnant then insurance shouldn't pay for it.

There are thousands of things covered by health insurance that are not life-or-death deciders. Maybe you'd like contacts to be 10x more expensive, or prescription allergy medicine to be worth its weight in gold.

I suppose you don't think insurance should cover pain medication, either? It doesn't save lives, just makes them more comfortable. If you're not man enough to grit your teeth and suffer your pain, pay for your own meds?

I meant medical reasons, not just life-or-death. It's okay for insurance to cover someone's pain meds if they're in pain. It shouldn't be covered if they're using pain meds to get high.

Even the law's proponents don't talk about costs. They talk about religion. So I guess employers who are Christian Scientists and believe in no medical intervention with the will of God at all, they needn't give their employees any medical coverage whatsoever.

That is because their religion doesn't believe in using birth control. So why should they pay for the cost of someone else's using birth control? Employers do not have to offer health insurance to their employees if they don't want to. It's a perk that is part of being employed like parking space.

[Raul]

Yes that is the way insurance works. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. Health insurance would not cover my vitamins, or diet pills, or Viagra, or cigarettes.

The Viagra, it might. Since, you know, it's a prescription drug.

Exactly. If you got pregnant while you didn't plan to have kids, then you have only yourself to blame.

Condom bursts. Wat do.

That's what I've been saying. You need a medical reason for getting insurance to pay for birth control. If you only want birth control to prevent from getting pregnant then insurance shouldn't pay for it.

Preventing pregnancy IS a medical reason.

I meant medical reasons, not just life-or-death. It's okay for insurance to cover someone's pain meds if they're in pain. It shouldn't be covered if they're using pain meds to get high.

So, where does THIS come from?

To be clear, I'm not against birth control. I'm against making other people pay for something that's not used to save your life. It's an luxury item. Pay for it yourself.

It's pretty explicitly stating exactly what you meant, and now you're just trying to backpedal.

That is because their religion doesn't believe in using birth control. So why should they pay for the cost of someone else's using birth control? Employers do not have to offer health insurance to their employees if they don't want to. It's a perk that is part of being employed like parking space.

Are you new to american politics?
Go educate yourself.

[Shidoshi]

There is so much wrong in this thread I don't even... The thing with insurance paying for birth control is that it actually LOWERS the expenses of everyone involved. As it was said before, one pregnancy averted pays for 13 years of birth control. It's in the best interest of everyone that women control their pregnancy.

That is because their religion doesn't believe in using birth control. So why should they pay for the cost of someone else's using birth control? Employers do not have to offer health insurance to their employees if they don't want to. It's a perk that is part of being employed like parking space.

Because they are not supposed to be the ones deciding what the obligatory insurance should be covering, they shouldn't make their religious beliefs affect what other people do.