The National Defense Authorization Act

[Duelman]

complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime

Don't these things already happen on a fairly regular basis in this country already?

[KhainiWest]

Don't these things already happen on a fairly regular basis in this country already?

Yeah but these essentially make it legal, none the less, now that I've actually had time to actually read it, even if obama allowed it, the supreme court wouldn't, it's just flat out unconstitutional, a good example would be obama care.

[Raul]

Yeah but these essentially make it legal, none the less, now that I've actually had time to actually read it, even if obama allowed it, the supreme court wouldn't, it's just flat out unconstitutional, a good example would be obama care.

Didn't the Supreme Court say that Obamacare WAS in fact constitutional?
Oh did they just refuse to hear the case?

[KhainiWest]

Didn't the Supreme Court say that Obamacare WAS in fact constitutional?
Oh did they just refuse to hear the case?

I thought they declared it unconstitutional then refused the appeal or something?

[The Great One]

I thought they declared it unconstitutional then refused the appeal or something?

A federal court found it unconstitutional and then the supreme court refused to hear the appeal.

[Exidous]

So wait, I'm confused; that site you linked says in clear terms that people from section 1032 are exempt, but what is the difference between 1032 and 1031? Also, the way that is worded, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." sounds to me like they are saying...this bill does nothing. Maybe it's just me. :l

No, you're pretty much on the money. Section 1031 is a broader section than 1032, thus US citizens can be detained under section 1031 but not within the borders of the US. Nothing in 1032 is allowed to permit the detainment of American citizens at all. There is no threat in this bill of American citizens being police-stated on American soil. It basically only affects American citizens if they are detained abroad and they fit the concerned persons definitions in 1031. Even that could still be struck down by the courts, although I'd argue that it shouldn't be struck down.

Didn't the Supreme Court say that Obamacare WAS in fact constitutional?
Oh did they just refuse to hear the case?

I thought they declared it unconstitutional then refused the appeal or something?

A federal court found it unconstitutional and then the supreme court refused to hear the appeal.

Several federal district courts have rendered judgement on Obamacare, some struck down the individual mandate some upheld it. The Supreme Court WILL hear the case before the 2012 elections.

[Providence]

Ah well, the Dutch are still official at war with the USA anyway, since we have the International War Crime Tribunal, and the USA have their plans ready for a full scale military invasion of The Hague... :')

The USA's relationship with The Hague has never been better.

[TaliaNCo]

Well, the president signed it and made it law on 12/31/11. Screwed!

[Locked]

Well, the president signed it and made it law on 12/31/11. Screwed!

With a signing statement..

[Luxeraph]

Well, the president signed it and made it law on 12/31/11. Screwed!

Oh boy 2012 is going to be a hell of a year.