Discrimination

[HALCALI]

Meh, I don't care about nx users, merchanting for nx and the benefits it gives in the game.But events should NOT be nx based. My oppion.

[Stereo]

This is about "NX events" and stuff, not about how classes compare to eachother. That's a completely different issue and we alreday know MS is not balanced and will never be balanced. I was an F/P misting grims while almost everyone else was at himes/gobies. I sucked it up with my 2.5m/hr rate while everyone else was getting 4~5m+/hr. It wasn't fair but okay, if I wanted to play for exp rates, i would have chosen a bishop. I play my fp because i like playing my fp, the good and the bad that comes with it

If you want to complain about exp rates, I was still at Dual Pirates while everyone went to Grims, Gobies and Himes...


I like playing my Paladin or I wouldn't keep going but that doesn't mean I have to be happy with class balance. Especially where mesos are concerned. Hermits have Drain, Alchemist, Meso Up, and ungodly high avoid. I have Powerguard and Ice Charge. Too bad the monsters that drop Gold Boxes aren't freezable, and in fact are resistant to every single skill in my 3rd/4th job. I'm basically a 122 Page with Rush, cause I'm using Powerstrike, Slashblast, and Threaten when I hunt Guardians.

[GummyBear]

Argument to shut down "We don't live in US so it costs more for NX"

Go read my guide. You don't have to spend any NX of your own. You can benefit just off of your server's ratio, which is uniform for every person in that server.

I mentioned that as a direct point to Chompy saying he'd rather work and buy NX etc, which is a whole different scenario when it comes to other countries. Point still stands that entering the code off an NX card is alot easier than MTS. I never said MTS was rocket science or anything. Its doable, but you still need more work, regardless.

Talking about everyone starts off with nothing at one stage, that is true, until gach comes out. Nowaday, starting fresh unfunded is alot harder than starting fresh with NX.

Finally, MTS NX are from people buying NX cards. There're only 2 known forms of NX supply is buying or winning maple points (not sure if it's tradable).

[Bacon]

Since it seems many of you guys have trouble reading what I'm saying, I guess I'll just repeat a few things and make it easier to understand.

I am not saying that I don't want the rich to benefit. I have no problem with you enjoying things more because you're a high level or you're rich. That's fine. You want to masturbate to Zakum or Horntail? Feel free to do so. You've leveled up and spent that much time into the game, and all those bosses are the rewards of your time. While I agree that a lower leveled person or a new player should not be able to have the same amount of fun with an elite player, I have to disagree about the context of this enjoyment.

For the last time, these are events. These events do not last forever. These events are here for a few months and then go away. Events are not Gach. Events are not Bosses. Events are not PQs that you need to put time and effort into in order to enjoy.

Events are supposed to be fun. The point of an event is to allow everyone in the game to have a little bit of fun. It's to stop the mindless grind for just a few weeks in order to pursue something that will be fun and a bit rewarding. These events are not supposed to be things that the rich and powerful will dominate in. They are not supposed to be other ways of making the rich richer, while not helping the poor at all. They aren't supposed to be things that will automatically make a new player rich. They are supposed to be fun. This year, I really like the huge Pumpkin, because I did not have to be a high level to enjoy. I did not have to be rich to enjoy it. All I needed was a few friends to share the experience with.

Now, I really don't see how you guys are arguing stupid things like "Oh..well I spent more time in the game so I should benefit from events more than a new person." Events should have nothing to do with the amount of time you've spent on the game. It should have nothing to do with the amount of money you have. It should be all about pure enjoyment, and should be something that is fair to all. When I say "fair to all", I mean that anyone can enjoy it. The rich, the poor, the strong, the weak, the old, the new...everyone should be able to enjoy this event.

Don't give me bull about how someone can use the MTS to earn money. While that may be true, I hope you realize that not everyone can use the MTS in the same way you might. Think about all these new players. Why should they be shunned aside from an event because they are new? According to your logic, they aren't shunned aside because they can use the MTS. Well, when was the last time you've bought a wooden bat for 1.5k NX? That's right, never.

To break it down even more for certain people out there....

EVENTS = INTERNET PORN -> EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE FUN
GACH/BOSSES/ETC = HOT GIRLS ONLY RICH AND POWERFUL CAN HAVE FUN WITH

[Cyanne]

Events are supposed to be for everyone, not only nx users and the people who have enough mesos to spare on the event. These recent events have only allowed people with a significant amount of mesos or nx to participate.

Another thing to think about is that as the demand for nx increases, meaning the supply of items in MTS increases, nx's worth increases compared to mesos/items in maple, causing inflation since the real world cost of nx is always the same (change in the value of the dollar currently isn't significant with respect to maple, but that may change after the 2008 election, lol).

Here's the problem with this idea though. The fact that some of the decisions NEXON has made with this game further shifts the classes when it comes to unbalance. Here's a few examples of this:

-When the Elemental Staves first came out, NEXON said that the lack of Elemental bonuses to it was intended, thereby causing Bishops to horde those staves. Even after NEXON reversed this decision, some of those Bishops still held on to their staves.

-September's Lunchbox, Red Katanas, and Stonetooth Sword made Sword specced Saders and WKs even more superior than BW/Axe, even when the formulas and Brandish (Two slashes, One stab, I believe.) were already screwed up to all hell. There is no actual BW/Axe counterparts when it comes to the Fast (4) 1-Handers and Fast (5) 2-Handers. Fusion Mace and Pig Illustrated are lowbie weapons, Lollipops aren't designed for combat, and the Lv. 120 Crushed Skull is still Normal (6) speed.

-Onyx Apples made shifts to the game that affected everyone as a whole. Mainly that CBs aren't wanted for MEing Zakum anymore, Hermits getting a HUGE advantage over the other classes, and Mages getting the least benefit out of them. (Heck, some Archmages/WK are still forced to buy their Z-helms and skills because no one will take them.)

At this rate, I would expect NEXON to just flatout ban certain classes from participating in these events, just because nobody cares about those Black Sheep.

Fire and ice demon actually make archmages a pretty good class at killing crimson guardians. Lightning charge with advanced charge blow isn't THAT horrible since the paladin would constantly be hitting multiple monsters with such thick mobs at crimson guardians, but I agree paladins need a break. They should've at least been able to use advanced charge blow without a charge.

[KajitiSouls]

Fire and ice demon actually make archmages a pretty good class at killing crimson guardians. Lightning charge with advanced charge blow isn't THAT horrible since the paladin would constantly be hitting multiple monsters with such thick mobs at crimson guardians, but I agree paladins need a break. They should've at least been able to use advanced charge blow without a charge.

Actually ACB is still stronger with an element charge than Slash Blast. Your scenario would only be a heaven-sent occasion if the monster was immune to every element.

[Cyanne]

I know ACB is stronger, but I think ACB without a charge is stronger than ACB with a charge of a resisted element. I never even mentioned slash blast O_o

[Ian]

I havent read every post in this thread, but;

In the days when I played, pre-MTS, it was really hard to get nx. Merchanting is alot harder with out a store, and not fun. I eventually bought a store from a friend with mesos, then I didnt have any trouble making money.

Now, with MTS, I really wouldnt be peaching about NX. There are ways to get it, and people who use the MTS have the advantage of not spending real money to get nx. I dont see how it should be a problem, with doing the lvl 50- scroll quests, you should easily be able to get 20m+, and with that work with the MTS, and get a store, and go from there. I'm sure this has been said, but what would be the point of merchanting/leveling for ages if a new person can come and be equal to you instantly?

In regards to events, I agree with Bacon. there supposed to be fun, something everyone can enjoy. If theres events for the rich/powerful, why arent there events for the poor/weak?

[Harrisonized]

DiscoStun

In my opinion if maple was not f2p there would be better community, customer support and less hax0rz plus OPEN EVENTS (except lvl limit ones). But this franchise is not meant to entertain us but rather get us addicted and play with money. They didn't create the MTS to help NXless players. It was created to convert mesos to NX and then NX to items.

The point of having it F2P is that it is more profitable. By advertising F2P, people will choose it over a P2P game. Thus, the more people who play, the more likely someone is to go to Target and buy NX.

Then they release the MTS. After that release, even people who do not charge NX at all are increasing Nexon's profit. Every item that sells in MTS takes 100NX out of the system, which may not seem like much, but quickly adds up. Thus, more reason to keep the game F2P. If P2P, then nobody would use the MTS, because everyone who CAN play will just buy Nexon. In this system, they make more money than a P2P gaming company can make.

However, as a company looking for a profit, they want to motivate people to use the MTS or buy Nexon game cards. Both methods will take money out of their MTS system, and so they release these events.

And as I have said quite a few times already last night, it doesn't exclude anyone from the event. It simply takes less work for someone who buys Nexon Cash, and I recall it once said by a Nexon rep that "people who buy Nexon cash should more benefits."

I strongly agree with that statement. They should get the benefit of having the Nexon Cash faster, because after all, it is them who drive the MTS economy, and who continue to keep this game F2P by covering the costs of the people who don't pay to play this game.

Stereo

I dunno how to formulate it as an argument, but I refuse to play pineapple the economy and resell/merchant all day long. I make money by training, I don't make money by stealing from children.

So you're saying all merchants steal from children? That's a VERY pineappleed up statement.

Why should a level 120 character which took under a year [bishop] have more benefits and playability than one that took 2 years [paladin]?

I spent a lot of time playing my character and it's definitely not making as much money or as high a level as a similar amount of time would have done for a Priest (note: I'm basing this on exp per hour rates and meso per hour rates reported by priest/bishops since I don't have one). So my decision which was made before 3rd or 4th job was even released affects me forever, and now I suck at events.

Without class balance, you can't say events are fair.

And you think it's fair that I'm taking 45 minutes to solo Papulatus at a 90% rate (cuz I die 10% of the time from dispel), even though a Hermit around 10 levels lower than me can solo it in half the time with an apple? I used to use more than an apple in pot costs when I solo, because before I bought my elemental staff, it was taking me around 1 hour 20 minutes, fastest.

Mages are almost completely restricted to training, whereas other classes can easily utilize a boss to gain the good drops. Also, as a paladin, you have mobbing skills, so you shouldn't be complaining. You can rush your way through the map during Maple Crystal event to gain almost as much as a bishop can, because everyone will run out of MP after a while.

And the classes have always been imbalanced. That's why they let you do research on it (hence, the vast majority of guides on differentiation between the classes), and (the text that the 1st and 2nd jobs NPCs tell you), and the 'mini guide' to skills on the Nexon website.

When you make a decision in life, don't regret it. This is like saying, "you go off to college, and later when you graduate in Business, find out that you want to be a Doctor, because they make more money." The point: too late.

LoL, I'm reading and responding and missed this, which is the perfect answer to your argument, Stereo:

You also forgot to mention a CLEAR form of discrimination against Paladins, the monsters that drop the gold chests are not Paladin-solo friendly. Bishops and Archmages are in the same situation as us when it comes to farming these chests.

Oops. Missed this too:

Class balance IMO is irrelevant, you knew what you were getting into when you chose your class. Think of it this way: By picking a Paladin as opposed to a priest, you chose a higher game "difficulty level". My point is, don't complain about something being harder on your class, if you belive a class has been whacked in this manner, it is your own fault in the end for continueing to play that class if you aren't satisfied.

Coylo

Meh, whatever way you decide to get your NX, we can't change the fact Nexon wants to use these events as a marketing ploy. Whatever the arguement here, it will not effect the truth. You can work for your NX by MTSing, or you can throw money Nexons way to skip the work, but you must do one of them to attend these events.

So, you expect Nexon to become a charity? Nothing in life comes for free. They need to pay their workers and run the servers, which most people fail to see.

butterfli

You struggled through it, so anyone else should be able to too right? Not really. The general audience is what? ages 12-16? Those teenage ages will btch about anything. It's just a phase in life like how little child are self-centered because they have not psychologically learned that other people have opinions too.

LoL. I too notice the increasing amount of egocentrism surviving beyond Piaget's Preoperational Stage. It is only from these people from which the Arch Mages can benefit though. =/

Bacon

Since it seems many of you guys have trouble reading what I'm saying, I guess I'll just repeat a few things and make it easier to understand.

I am not saying that I don't want the rich to benefit. I have no problem with you enjoying things more because you're a high level or you're rich. That's fine. You want to masturbate to Zakum or Horntail? Feel free to do so. You've leveled up and spent that much time into the game, and all those bosses are the rewards of your time. While I agree that a lower leveled person or a new player should not be able to have the same amount of fun with an elite player, I have to disagree about the context of this enjoyment.

For the last time, these are events. These events do not last forever. These events are here for a few months and then go away. Events are not Gach. Events are not Bosses. Events are not PQs that you need to put time and effort into in order to enjoy.

Events are supposed to be fun. The point of an event is to allow everyone in the game to have a little bit of fun. It's to stop the mindless grind for just a few weeks in order to pursue something that will be fun and a bit rewarding. These events are not supposed to be things that the rich and powerful will dominate in. They are not supposed to be other ways of making the rich richer, while not helping the poor at all. They aren't supposed to be things that will automatically make a new player rich. They are supposed to be fun. This year, I really like the huge Pumpkin, because I did not have to be a high level to enjoy. I did not have to be rich to enjoy it. All I needed was a few friends to share the experience with.

Now, I really don't see how you guys are arguing stupid things like "Oh..well I spent more time in the game so I should benefit from events more than a new person." Events should have nothing to do with the amount of time you've spent on the game. It should have nothing to do with the amount of money you have. It should be all about pure enjoyment, and should be something that is fair to all. When I say "fair to all", I mean that anyone can enjoy it. The rich, the poor, the strong, the weak, the old, the new...everyone should be able to enjoy this event.

Don't give me bull about how someone can use the MTS to earn money. While that may be true, I hope you realize that not everyone can use the MTS in the same way you might. Think about all these new players. Why should they be shunned aside from an event because they are new? According to your logic, they aren't shunned aside because they can use the MTS. Well, when was the last time you've bought a wooden bat for 1.5k NX? That's right, never.

To break it down even more for certain people out there....

EVENTS = INTERNET PORN -> EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE FUN
GACH/BOSSES/ETC = HOT GIRLS ONLY RICH AND POWERFUL CAN HAVE FUN WITH

Event's are also year round, if you don't notice. Nexon has one or two events involving NX and everyone goes crazy? What about those other dozen events we have that don't involve NX. I recall the best events such as Xmas doesn't involve NX.

Cyanne

Events are supposed to be for everyone, not only nx users and the people who have enough mesos to spare on the event. These recent events have only allowed people with a significant amount of mesos or nx to participate.

Again, there are the non NX events, but whenever Nexon releases a NX Event, someone snaps and goes crazy. I admit that I did the same last year, because there was no equal opportunity to gain NX, but now that there is, people should stop complaining. And again, if someone wants to get rich, there are options available for everyone. It's their choice whether or not they want to utilize these options. (There's also quite a few guides for making money, class specific or not.)[/QUOTE]

Fire and ice demon actually make archmages a pretty good class at killing crimson guardians. Lightning charge with advanced charge blow isn't THAT horrible since the paladin would constantly be hitting multiple monsters with such thick mobs at crimson guardians, but I agree paladins need a break. They should've at least been able to use advanced charge blow without a charge.

Then they would be consistently hitting 99,999 on everything they encounter. Guess what. I went there and ran through 1K black elixers in an two hours and barely got anything because my Meteo's damage is halved, thus allowing me to 9hit and occasionally 8hit a mob. However, I still got some treasure boxes because Nexon didn't mess up their droprates of it, knowing that the monsters are hard to kill and thus giving everyone fair opportunity. They could have just as well added it to normal training mobs and lowered the droprate, and people would still complain? Always.

Ian

In regards to events, I agree with Bacon. there supposed to be fun, something everyone can enjoy. If theres events for the rich/powerful, why arent there events for the poor/weak?

There are. Just not right now. Everyone seems to have forgotten those GM events last month, or the 2x events during the summer. Even the thanksgiving and Christmas pie events. Last year's Christmas event was exceptional (cuz of the cutest items released). But unfortunately, again, whenever Nexon releases a NX related event, everyone seems to forget and they go crazy. It's really quite lame.

[Bacon]

Discrimination you say?

How about discrimination against people who are level 10. I'd love to hear your responses on my arguments.

Thanks hun, I appreciate it.

[Harrisonized]

How about discrimination against people who are level 10. I'd love to hear your responses on my arguments.

Is that supposed to be a serious response? I certainly hope not.

[Bacon]

Is that supposed to be a serious response? I certainly hope not.

I'm as serious as herpes.

Edit: My my, it seems you've responded.

Event's are also year round, if you don't notice. Nexon has one or two events involving NX and everyone goes crazy? What about those other dozen events we have that don't involve NX. I recall the best events such as Xmas doesn't involve NX.

Pretty much. I don't see why Events need to involve NX. Do you?

[Harrisonized]

I'm one cocky man, but I want you to take a look at post number 44 and dissect it for me. I think that post will explain why these events are stupid and unfair.

I looked at it already, and included a fair reply to it. Look at the spoiler labeled Ian for some further, although brief, elaboration for the answer to your post 44.

You're post explains nothing but your perception of what the events are supposed to be. Here's my perception:

Pretty much. I don't see why Events need to involve NX. Do you?

From a Nexon point of view, they give events year round that don't involve NX. Every year the Halloween events involve NX, so this is THEIR TIME to make a few extra dollars from the average player. Thus, the intent isn't as you say, "to give everyone fun" but to give those willing to fund them (directly or indirectly), more fun than those not willing to spend a penny.

Wanna know what else? I still don't think people should bash others based on their abilities, in merchanting or level. It's like people poverty ridden trying to single out those living in the middle class. It's not a very logical argument. Finally, we live in a Capitalist country, so deal with Nexon forcing the average player to learn how to utilize the MTS. Again, they're not forcing you to go to the store and spend some money, rather, they're suggesting you use what's already available to you so they may gain a profit.

Quoting Sharpesight of Sleepywood:

The people who are complaining about NX-only stuff had a point before MTS...but that point is quite moot now.

Also, from Epicosity of Sleepywood:

Your theory is flawed for Yellonde. New players here won't have the opportunity to gain NX Cash via. the MTS because it simply isn't available. Seeing as Yellonde is the newest server, I'm pretty sure that our economy can take a hit from this event, unlike other servers who will see dramatic depreciation in their markets. Still, I won't be fully participating, I'll open one box a day or something, as opposed to the 100 boxes a day that other, fellow Yellonde players are opening.

Unfortunately, I know that the less populated servers will be getting the lower end of the deal, but it is still somewhat beneficial because it will make prices go down, thus increasing the affordability of it.

[randompeep]

If most people were to stop buying NX cards in favor of the MTS (because it's easier and requires no money), and people bought items like keys, event tickets, etc, then wouldn't the flow of NX from MTS eventually slow, and no one could get any good amount of NX from there? Then it would be back to NX cards/ paypal.

In the events debate, I would have to side with Bacon. They are meant to be fun, regardless of the level (unless, it's 10 or something). Does merchanting on the MTS sound fun? To me, no, and it would not benifit me in any way. Since Cash items expire, regardless of what I look like, they are worthless. Pets require maintenance, and those quests for wanted scrolls don't repeat, thus I don't get a continuous NX flow to fund them every time they expire. I don't have the time nor the mesos to scour the FMs for bargains. So, why, then, should some of these events almost require NX?

[Harrisonized]

If most people were to stop buying NX cards in favor of the MTS (because it's easier and requires no money), and people bought items like keys, event tickets, etc, then wouldn't the flow of NX from MTS eventually slow, and no one could get any good amount of NX from there? Then it would be back to NX cards/ paypal.

The NX cycle (I just call it that) will eventually force pre-existing buyers to buy NX to fill in the void.

In the events debate, I would have to side with Bacon. They are meant to be fun, regardless of the level (unless, it's 10 or something). Does merchanting on the MTS sound fun? To me, no, and it would not benifit me in any way. Since Cash items expire, regardless of what I look like, they are worthless. Pets require maintenance, and those quests for wanted scrolls don't repeat, thus I don't get a continuous NX flow to fund them every time they expire.

Obviously, they're not repeatable. The quests are there as catalysts to get you started on the path that will allow you a continuous income.

I don't have the time nor the mesos to scour the FMs for bargains. So, why, then, should some of these events almost require NX?

Because the US is a capitalist country. Nexon is a company trying to make a profit. Why can't they have a right to host an event that they want? It's not like all events are like this, and this key event is benefiting the average players in many ways:
1) Driving down prices so that the common player who doesn't have time can actually afford some of the items.
2) Increasing item supply, allowing the common player an easier time scrolling. I remember before dark scrolls and everything else, it took me 13 full levels to fully scroll my Maple Lama Staff. 8/74 at the time was considered godly (anything over 7 is godly, because most people back then scrolled with 60%s). Now it's almost nothing. And in the future, what we have now might be worth less. So that's benefiting the average player to you.
3) Decreasing money in the system. More trading means more taxes means more money taken out means less inflation.

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So, why, then, should some of these events almost require NX?

So, why, then, after giving so many variations of the explanation, should you feel the need to ask the question yet again.

[Kabanaw]

The problem I have with merchanting is how it raises prices, which is why I don't do it. If I ever do use the MTS, it will be using items i found, bought (I mean like from an FM store), or scrolled.

[Stereo]

I don't remember what the 2nd job instructor says about the advances (and it's possible they've changed it since they redid a bunch of quest dialog).

When I started, 3rd job wasn't available yet. I didn't know anything about what the later advancements were, and neither did anybody else in Global. For that matter, when I advanced to 3rd job the highest level monsters were Werewolves, Lycanthropes, Bains, Dark Yeti & Pepes.



@ the merchant thing, it's only pineappleed up cause it's true. I wish it weren't.-



@ reading the info on the MS website, let me pull that up...

They really said this

Spears and pole arms are long, huge weapons and even though there's a difference in damage between slashing and stabbing, they can apply the most damage at once compared to other warriors.
Those weapons are two-handed weapons, so shields can't be used, and the attacking speed are generally slow, but those weaknesses are covered with guard-oriented and speed-oriented skills to make the Spearman the most dangerous warrior around.

I mean nevermind half of it is for the wrong class, their advice is also pretty screwed up. Threaten is not some super useful skill. Spears and Polearms are not able to apply "the most damage" compared to other warriors (Spear is the weakest 2nd job, then 1 handed Axe/BW, then Polearms, then 2 handed Axe/BW, all Swords are strongest).

The guide still doesn't have any 3rd or 4th job information.

[Cyanne]

Again, there are the non NX events, but whenever Nexon releases a NX Event, someone snaps and goes crazy. I admit that I did the same last year, because there was no equal opportunity to gain NX, but now that there is, people should stop complaining. And again, if someone wants to get rich, there are options available for everyone. It's their choice whether or not they want to utilize these options. (There's also quite a few guides for making money, class specific or not.)

Then they would be consistently hitting 99,999 on everything they encounter. Guess what. I went there and ran through 1K black elixers in an two hours and barely got anything because my Meteo's damage is halved, thus allowing me to 9hit and occasionally 8hit a mob. However, I still got some treasure boxes because Nexon didn't mess up their droprates of it, knowing that the monsters are hard to kill and thus giving everyone fair opportunity. They could have just as well added it to normal training mobs and lowered the droprate, and people would still complain? Always.

It's pretty difficult for the average player to come up with at least 7.5mil in less than two weeks, especially if he/she has already done the scroll quests. Most people are not as knowledgeable in money-making methods as you might be.

Why would they be hitting 99999? Also, good news; meteor isn't your only skill.

[Bacon]

From a Nexon point of view, they give events year round that don't involve NX. Every year the Halloween events involve NX, so this is THEIR TIME to make a few extra dollars from the average player. Thus, the intent isn't as you say, "to give everyone fun" but to give those willing to fund them (directly or indirectly), more fun than those not willing to spend a penny.

If Nexon really wanted to earn a little bit of extra cash, then they should put in this treasure chest thing in permanently. It would then just be like expensive Gachapon, and I would have no problems with it. I just don't like the fact that Nexon is calling making this an event. I don't consider that an event. It would be very easy for Nexon to change this into an event that everyone could benefit from. Users could open 1 chest a day without spending any money, and if you wanted to open more than 1 chest, you could spend a little bit of cash and do so. A lot like the Mini Dungeon event that's going on right now, and I don't see how this is impossible to do.

If you didn't realize it yet, this event isn't even that fun. It's basically making the poor envious and the rich richer. That's not good in any society. I may have my own delusional idea of what the definition of an event is, and I'd love to hear your definition.

Wanna know what else? I still don't think people should bash others based on their abilities, in merchanting or level. It's like people poverty ridden trying to single out those living in the middle class. It's not a very logical argument. Finally, we live in a Capitalist country, so deal with Nexon forcing the average player to learn how to utilize the MTS. Again, they're not forcing you to go to the store and spend some money, rather, they're suggesting you use what's already available to you so they may gain a profit.

Abilities? This game doesn't not require many abilities. You only need a lot of time on your hand, be able to scam people, and memorize prices.

[Harrisonized]

Stereo

When I started, 3rd job wasn't available yet. I didn't know anything about what the later advancements were, and neither did anybody else in Global. For that matter, when I advanced to 3rd job the highest level monsters were Werewolves, Lycanthropes, Bains, Dark Yeti & Pepes.

And when I started, Mages were percieved as the weakest class, because nobody anticipated 4th job. Now everyone's complaining at the reverse.

[color=#a000e0]@ the merchant thing, it's only pineappleed up cause it's true. I wish it weren't.-

wtp?

@ reading the info on the MS website, let me pull that up...

They really said this

Spears and pole arms are long, huge weapons and even though there's a difference in damage between slashing and stabbing, they can apply the most damage at once compared to other warriors.
Those weapons are two-handed weapons, so shields can't be used, and the attacking speed are generally slow, but those weaknesses are covered with guard-oriented and speed-oriented skills to make the Spearman the most dangerous warrior around.

I mean nevermind half of it is for the wrong class, their advice is also pretty screwed up. Threaten is not some super useful skill. Spears and Polearms are not able to apply "the most damage" compared to other warriors.

The guide still doesn't have any 3rd or 4th job information.

Read what it says about the damage. The attacking ability may not be on par...
That statement alone shows that it 'may' be weaker than other classes.
Also, there's always SW and asking your friends whether or not to convert to other classes before you got too far.

Abilities? This game doesn't not require many abilities. You only need a lot of time on your hand, be able to scam people, and memorize prices.

Omfg. So you people can't think of anything to say, so you attribute being rich to scamming?
I'm ejecting myself from this shyt now. I didn't know that the population of SouthPerry could sink to this level.