[KMST] [KMS] [1.2.132] New Opening Video

[shouri]

I love the cute little fang they gave the pirate :3
My wife and I both think the video is quite cute. If I read correctly, KMS is doing a popstar theme?

If so then this video was a good idea (imo of course). I feel the video was quite nicely done. It reminds me a bit of some of the Iosys videos xD

[MetaSeraphim]

LISTEN TO YOURSELF, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF pomegranate I WAS TALKING ABOUT. Giving me examples of stupid other laws that have no relation to this argument is a waste of time.

You sound kind of upset, surely you can't be upset by her?

[cronnoponno]

You sound kind of upset, surely you can't be upset by her?

I am upset that this is the farthest people go to rage against lolicon.

This is not arguing, it's being an pimento jock and labeling others as freaks or ''wrong'' because they do something that they think is ''not acceptable''. Yet not realizing that their logic that caused them to fabricate that delusion of justice is full of cracks and holes. I've seen very reasonable arguments against lolicon, this is not one of them. I have hung around many lolicon fans, and they're good people. I will not have them held accountable for coveting fake, anime characters that are made because the whole cliche ''big breasted woman'' thing makes them sick. When it's suddenly a crime to think what we want to think, or it's ''wrong'' to think what we want to think, you know something is wrong.

[MetaSeraphim]

Sarah is Sarah, and Sarah is as stubborn as a mule. If she upsets you it is best to ignore her because she isn't going change or get "better" (In your opinion) about this subject.

[66alex66]

I'm looking forward to killing Cygnus in the future.

[Flonne]

I am upset that this is the farthest people go to rage against lolicon.

This is not arguing, it's being an pimento jock and labeling others as freaks or ''wrong'' because they do something that they think is ''not acceptable''.

It is slightly annoying, but if I were truly pissed off about it to the extent that I felt I had to change her opinion, I would be no better than her.

[Arroz]

You're ridiculous. This cultural thing is bullpomegranate, too. You can't say, for example, IT'S OKAY THAT MIDDLE-EASTERNS KILL WOMEN WHO GET RAPED BECAUSE IT'S THEIR CULTURE. So along the same lines, you can't say it's okay for asian cultures to draw highly sexualized images of children, for any reason. You'd never convince me otherwise because there's no valid excuse to be looking at nude children in any form.

We get it, you're offended, but the material isn't obscene and it isn't fair to equate whole Asian cultures to small extremists sects of middle-eastern groups. You're just hyper sensitive to a benign issue and yet insensitive to whole groups of people at the same time, which will only be an exercise in frustration for everyone involved.

And going on the issue of nude children = CP. That really is never the case except on the prosecution's side when they want to go after you on any possible angle. Hentai depicting children is legal IF it isn't obscene, but good luck finding that most cases that aren't child pornography but are charged as such are usually works where sex scenes are a small part of everything "taken as a whole"

[cronnoponno]

It is slightly annoying, but if I were truly pissed off about it to the extent that I felt I had to change her opinion, I would be no better than her.

I'm not that pissed, I'm just a little depressed at the results of the thought process that leads one to think that way.

But over-all, I was not going to push it too much farther.

But I'm not really trying to be better than her, to be honest. I don't care how much scum I look like, I will not let fans of loli's be given such prejudice without at least saying something.

[MetaSeraphim]

I will not let fans of loli's be given such prejudice without at least saying something.

Why are you defending them so much? I couldn't care less about the subject, I am just wondering why you're so set on defending their honor.

[cronnoponno]

Why are you defending them so much? I couldn't care less about the subject, I am just wondering why you're so set on defending their honor.

There's no real honor or valor to being a lolicon. I just do not like seeing them lumped together with other pedophiles. Loli's are not JUST for the sake of the underaged concept of it. I can understand the need to protect children, as I see many children and I feel the need to keep them out of any form of harm as possible. But Lolicon's are not people who interfere with this peace(pedophiles may enter this genre, but the Lolicon's are not to blame, so they must not be confused together.) I'm not saying Lolicon's are special people who are in need of honor. I'm saying they're better off ignored, picking on them is not going to lower pedophilia at all. Saying that ''It will stop SOME people'' is like me saying ''It will PREVENT some people''. While you can argue that Pedophiles may get tempted to take it to the next level after drowning themselves in Lolicon, you can also argue that Pedophiles will stop lusting after REAL children for the outlet of fake anime females(this has actually been stated by some pedophiles who were arrested for reading Lolicon before).

I am not saying they're perfect people, but I have been friends with many people who like Loli's, and they're not even remotely interested in real children. There are many different features to the ''Loli'' body other than the ''under-age'' factor that make them likeable. I have explained this a bit, so it should be a little easy to piece together. Which is why the ''Really 100 years old'' concept is actually much more prefereble for many.

I can understand being creeped out by such a thing, that much is understandable. My goal was never to change Sarah's mind, there are far too many people who think this way, and insult Lolicon's and intermix them with actual pedophiles, changing her mind will not change that. However, that does not mean I can't just sit and not try to defend a completely innocent population. It also annoys me how people say ''Lusting after Pixels is pathetic'', and other ill-informed arguments. Yet when these ''pixels'' portray women who look young, it's suddenly taken as real, as a threat, as something to fear, and something to hate. Where's the logic in this?

There are about 500 more things I can say on this subject, and I can understand a majority of the counter-arguments that will get thrown at me for posting this, so I won't go and post every single reason as this post is probably going to be too large already, and is going to be subject to another flame.

My main point, is that Lolicon's are people who do not need to be brought in as weapons for Anti-Pedophile arguments, they need to be ignored, unless it becomes apparent that REAL children are being seriously harmed from this. I am not a lolicon, but to an extent I do like Loli's. Also, destroying this entire Genre will not stop pedophiles, and most likely will not even halt their process, they will find ways no matter how far you limit them, until eventually you'll have to be fair and eliminate anything and EVERYTHING that can lead a pedophile to be attracted to a child. Therefore, Lolicon does not ''Harm real children'' unless it is made to, but that's only after pedophiles mix in with it.

[mazefind]

*영어를 잘 몰라서, 한국어로 적습니다.

아는 사람에게 소식을 듣고 스레드(thread)를 전부 읽었습니다. 그리고 몇몇 회원이 이 영상이 너무 선정적(oversexual)이라고 쓴 글을 보았습니다.

사실, 이 동영상이 40만명의 유저(mapler)에게 공개되는 한국 안에서는 이 영상이 선정적이라는 평가가 거의 없습니다. 선정적이라는 평가보다는 웃기다(funny)거나 귀엽다(cute)는 평가가 압도적으로 많습니다. 이 사이트에는 한국인도 많이 찾아오는데 이곳에서 동영상이 선정적이냐 아니냐를 따지는 것을 이상하게 생각하고 있습니다.

http://www.insoya.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=ucc&no=23518
http://www.insoya.com/bbs/zboard.php..._maple&no=9310

기본적으로, 한국과 미국은 'sexual'에 대한 기준, 성범죄(sexual crime)에 대한 기준이 상당히 다릅니다. 물론 한국에서도 일부 가수의 의상이나 영화, 게임 등에 대하여 논란이 있습니다. 하지만 한국에서는 이 정도의 영상을 가지고 선정적이다 라는 평가를 내리진 않습니다. 이미 오프라인에서 많은 걸그룹(idol girl group)이 비슷한 춤과 노래를 부르고 있습니다.

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rce=opensearch

어디까지나, 이 영상은 한국 내의 한국인을 위한 영상이고, 그렇기 때문에 한국 청소년의 기준이 맞추어져 있으며 한국 내에서의 반응은 좋은 편입니다. 선정적이다고 느끼는 사람도 있지만 그다지 심각하게 느끼고 있지 않습니다. 미국에서 벌어지는 토론에 한국인이 글을 쓰는 것도 이상하지만, 이 영상은 한국에서 공개되는 영상임을 토론의 조건으로 삼으셨으면 합니다. 감사합니다.

conclusion : culture(include standard about oversexual) in Korea and America is SO different. so, I think... There's no need to debate. :-)

[Alilatias]

Wow, this thread took an unexpected and hilarious turn. I did not expect Mazefind to come in here.

Either way, running what he said through Google Translate, it seems that Mazefind is trying to talk about cultural differences between South Korea and the United States. Things like what is portrayed in this video might be part of a social norm in South Korea, while us Westerners might find it offensive, or odd, or whatever. By that, I don't mean that South Koreans believe that pedophilia is right or anything - just that they're used to seeing things like this, and because of that, this probably doesn't have any deeper meaning for them other than 'it's cute'.

Or at least that's what I think Mazefind is trying to say.

(Oh dear god I hope Google Translate doesn't murder what I'm trying to say, assuming Mazefind comes back and tries to translate what I'm saying.)

[Flonne]

this probably doesn't have any deeper meaning for them other than 'it's cute'.

That's pretty much the norm everywhere...well, except for here, I suppose.

[MetaSeraphim]

That's pretty much the norm everywhere...well, except for here, I suppose.

I realize you might not have meant this completely literally, but I feel the need to point out it is not so much that it is designed to be cute as it is about the close up on the little girl shaking her butt.

But as I pointed out in my past post far more horrible things happened and were implied in the video.

[cronnoponno]

Yeah but that's like earlier today at work. Some crazy old guy brought up a little model of an Angel holding a baby. He literally, I mean literally, told me that this should not be allowed. As it ''implies'' angels have sex, which is blah blah blah religious stuff.


I didn't really see it that way, I saw it as a angel holding a child.

No one bares the responsibility of making something to where it can not be interpreted another way. Many, many, slangs and words (even in the Army) can be taken sexually if you think about it.

Although I'm positive you have no stake in this talk to begin with, I don't really have one either.

[MetaSeraphim]

Although I'm positive you have no stake in this talk to begin with, I don't really have one either.

Hmm, this pointed towards me? I dare say no one really ever had any stake in the whole conversation about the apparent sexuality defined in the video.

If you look back towards the start of the thread you'll just be seeing people saying it is cute or what the hell is this, then we see Sarah's, Mine and Flonne's comments which obviously started this whole snowball of events. And then a few people like you came along and said they disagree with Sarah, and then we had a bit of time of on-topic, and then it was back to the video being sexual.

All and all just your normal, everyday, sane debate about the over sexualization of children by way of drawings and animation.

[cronnoponno]

Hmm, this pointed towards me? I dare say no one really ever had any stake in the whole conversation about the apparent sexuality defined in the video.

If you look back towards the start of the thread you'll just be seeing people saying it is cute or what the hell is this, then we see Sarah's, Mine and Flonne's comments which obviously started this whole snowball of events. And then a few people like you came along and said they disagree with Sarah, and then we had a bit of time of on-topic, and then it was back to the video being sexual.

All and all just your normal, everyday, sane debate about the over sexualization of children by way of drawings and animation.

I love this post.

[hadriel]

Let's try this.

A - "I need to buy cigarette paper for my "wife"."
B - "What for? Your wife smokes?"
A - "No. I need to check if her pads are leaking."

So... ahem. For the woodwind players here, you all obviously know what I'm talking about. For the uninitiated... what does this mean? Why the HECK would a girl even want another person to check if her pads leak or not =.=" so obviously from your interpretation, this is highly... indecent. But for the musicians out there, this is serious business.

Spoiler

So in this case, my "Wife" refers to my oboe. Woodwind musical instruments control most of the openings by covering/uncovering them with flaps. These flaps are padded so that they may seal the opening completely. If you have a leak, obviously it means it's not covered properly, and you won't play the note you want or it doesn't sound as nice! So you check by taking a piece of thin paper (e.g. cigarette paper, because it's cheap) and lightly closing the flap on the cigarette paper, attempt to gently tug out the paper. If the pad is leaking, there you go you've found the problem to your weird sounding instrument. If it doesn't then it means your pad isn't leaking, then the problem might come from e.g. another pad, a poor reed, or simply yourself.

Spoiler

Wait till you hear about wind instrument players talk about "tongue-ing" - where to put the tongue blah blah...

But seriously... take a popular non-hentai manga. Even Love Hina, which isn't hentai per se, I've not exactly heard very much about it if you bother reading the storyline and not be enamoured by the drawings.

Seriously, go youtube and watch SNSD's Gee. Lot's of hip shaking, lots of similarities with this video. And look - this is meant for the Koreans, by right, and asians. They will see it differently from you because you're not them! Everything about you is so unlike them. I'm equally exposed to both the Western and Eastern cultures, so I know where you are coming from, but I also know where they are coming from. So just drop it, will you?

I'd still take out that 5 seconds of bum-shaking, because it doesn't have to be in-your-face. I really wonder what they were thinking. And there's no point flaming the video all because of those 5 seconds and saying that this a totally indecent video. That's only makes me want to stuff you full of Loratidine Chlorpheniramine.

Hadriel

[Haseo]

Yeah but that's like earlier today at work. Some crazy old guy brought up a little model of an Angel holding a baby. He literally, I mean literally, told me that this should not be allowed. As it ''implies'' angels have sex, which is blah blah blah religious stuff.

Ah, those remind me of the kind of weird conclusions my Junior College's literature and art teachers tend to come to.

"SOMEONE SET HIM ON FIRE AND DUMPED HIS HEAD IN A TOILET CISTERN? IT'S SYMBOLIC FOR REBIRTH!"

"These are a series of identically coloured, interlocking boxes. Each one is a personal interpretation of the subject matter that are extremely obvious! Also, I love this painting of a urinal."

"All students who joined this course did so because of a secret desire to be rebellious."

It's so screwed up it's not even funny.

[Arroz]

This is hilarious, the derp is strong in these knuckleheads.

Anyways like I said before you can be offended all you want but when you make sweeping generalizations about a group of people or even a person's interests because of your own preferences that says something about you that you may want to reconsider.

I've never seen so many people uncomfortable about sex and I've lived in the US all my life