[KMST] [1.2.253] Attack Belt

[finalbragade]

brb changing pants...

[EmuAlert]

What the hell - what good is Dragon Roar? It takes 2 seconds to hit 15 monsters. You can use Flamethrower/Ice Splitter almost 4 times in that amount of time. They both have a pretty huge range and no minimum whacking range. From the videos I've seen it doesn't look like any climbing around is required, either; you can comfortably reach everything with those skills.

With typical equipment (fastest weapon possible + booster, but no wind booster) Dragon Roar take 1230ms/15 monsters = 82ms/monster, while Ice Splitter takes 540ms/6 monsters = 90ms/monster. Sharkwave + Sparks ties for second (if Sparks never targets a dying monster), it would be 810ms/9 monsters = 90ms/monster. Of course, that's by millisecond, any class that has a decent mobbing move will do fine.

[Shidoshi]

Still, though, magic damage should be calculated differently. When almost all of your damage is calculated off of a single number that increases at a constant rate, it barely increases proportionally at higher levels.

Spell Damage:
MAX = ((Magic²/1000 + Magic)/30 + INT/200) * Spell Attack
MIN = ((Magic²/1000 + Magic * Mastery * 0.9)/30 + INT/200) * Spell Attack

It is not a linear/constant rate. It's quadratic, only problem is that it's by such a low factor...

[Stereo]

With typical equipment (fastest weapon possible + booster, but no wind booster) Dragon Roar take 1230ms/15 monsters = 82ms/monster

1230ms cast + 2000ms player stun... even assuming the 2 second stun starts at the same time as you attack it's only 133ms per monster. Rush hits 10+ and takes the standard cast time (600ms fast?) for <60ms per kill.

[EmuAlert]

Spell Damage:
MAX = ((Magic²/1000 + Magic)/30 + INT/200) * Spell Attack
MIN = ((Magic²/1000 + Magic * Mastery * 0.9)/30 + INT/200) * Spell Attack

It is not a linear/constant rate. It's quadratic, only problem is that it's by such a low factor...

The point is, it's mainly based off of magic attack, so at high levels you have a crapload of magic attack, and increasing it doesn't help nearly as much as it does for other classes, who have a crapload of their main stat that is eventually multiplied by weapon attack. Mages are like other classes that can only improve their main stat, not their weapon attack. And even though it's technically quadratic, the curve is very close to being linear.

@ Stereo: Where'd you get the 2000ms stun from? It sounds realistic but it's not in the attack speed thread.

[Dusk]

The point is, it's mainly based off of magic attack, so at high levels you have a crapload of magic attack, and increasing it doesn't help nearly as much as it does for other classes, who have a crapload of their main stat that is eventually multiplied by weapon attack. Mages are like other classes that can only improve their main stat, not their weapon attack. And even though it's technically quadratic, the curve is very close to being linear.

@ Stereo: Where'd you get the 2000ms stun from? It sounds realistic but it's not in the attack speed thread.

Uh, have you ever used Dragon Roar? It's in the skill description. When you use it it freezes you in place and there's an uncancelable buff in the top right corner that says you've been stunned.

Too bad Rush isn't spammable

[EmuAlert]

Uh, have you ever used Dragon Roar?

Nope.

magical damage

x is the magic attack, the spell has 140 basic attack. I figured INT = 4/5 of the magic attack.
MAX = (((x^2)/1000+x)/30+(.8x)/200) *140
MIN = (((x^2)/1000 + x *0.54)/30 + (0.8x)/200)*140
Ignore the line in the top middle, my computer doesn't like blank images so I used a filler.

So yeah. It's quadratic, but pretty close to being linear. I sorta wish that I could show you a graph of other classes' damage, but it'd be 3d (4d if you count the secondary stat).

[OB3LISK]

That's one sick ass belt, 3 slots. Buying Belt Dex scrolls@.

[FroznSolid]

so...

this will pretty much make anything below a black belt useless [and that too at higher lv's ].

belt scrolls plawks

[Deviant]

I read the title and got worried all my Dojo work was going to be for naught, then I lol'd at the 1 attack.

15 stats from dojo belt > 1 attack



Though properly chaos'd and this thing could be incredible.

[Blaine]

26.

Wot? There's only 3 slots...unless you're counting on +5 of both of your main stats for all three scrolls...

[HighOnMushrooms]

Wot? There's only 3 slots...unless you're counting on +5 of both of your main stats for all three scrolls...

Vicious Hammers.

[Blaine]

Vicious Hammers.

Oh pomegranate, I forgot.

Wee. I don't see people going after 58 attack Maple Shields, 39 attack PACs, 37 attack Facestompers, and the like, though.

Find me someone that has the balls to continue Chaosing it at 16 attack.

[SoupySoupy]

Do you really think mages need as large a boost from m.atk iems as other classes get from their attack items...
Really?

I mean, right now to me it seems to be pretty well balanced, with how much money it takes in funding to one hit skeles and stuff like that.

Do you guys really want it to be that as soon as a mage hits 120 they can 1 hit KO everything in the game?
Lets take some attack items and make them equal to their M.atk conterparts, assuming 1 atk= 5 of whatever damage stat:

Cider, 20 attack: Cider, 100 M.atk
MoN, 10 attack: MoN, 50 M. Atk
Shield, 15 attack: Shield, 60 M.atk
Cape, 4 attack clean: Cape, 20 M.atk clean
Gloves, 15 attack: Gloves, 60 M.atk

...and so on.

Mages don't need the boost. They do everything they need to do well enough with the equips we have. To give them equal boosts from the items we get would just be insane.


OT: Meh, I'm not really too impressed by all these attack items. They simply replace any other option, if you kept it with normal stats it could be a little more interesting. For example, you might have to choose between a speed/ jump belt or a plain old stat adding one. Something like that, but the more attack equips we get the more everyone will end up just equipping exactly the same stuff as everyone else.

Yeah I know it's always kind of been like that, but in my hopes and dreams there lives a different maple.

[Holypie]

Yes. MAGE EQUALITY FOR THE WiN!

Plus Nexon can just nerf Ults and buff bossing abilities. Actually I would prefer a stronger Chain Lightning and a weaker Blizzard. Maybe max Blizz down to 450 magic and max CL up to 250.

[JoeTang]

Do you really think mages need as large a boost from m.atk iems as other classes get from their attack items...
Really?

I mean, right now to me it seems to be pretty well balanced, with how much money it takes in funding to one hit skeles and stuff like that.

Do you guys really want it to be that as soon as a mage hits 120 they can 1 hit KO everything in the game?
Lets take some attack items and make them equal to their M.atk conterparts, assuming 1 atk= 5 of whatever damage stat:

Cider, 20 attack: Cider, 100 M.atk
MoN, 10 attack: MoN, 50 M. Atk
Shield, 15 attack: Shield, 60 M.atk
Cape, 4 attack clean: Cape, 20 M.atk clean
Gloves, 15 attack: Gloves, 60 M.atk

...and so on.

Mages don't need the boost. They do everything they need to do well enough with the equips we have. To give them equal boosts from the items we get would just be insane.


OT: Meh, I'm not really too impressed by all these attack items. They simply replace any other option, if you kept it with normal stats it could be a little more interesting. For example, you might have to choose between a speed/ jump belt or a plain old stat adding one. Something like that, but the more attack equips we get the more everyone will end up just equipping exactly the same stuff as everyone else.

Yeah I know it's always kind of been like that, but in my hopes and dreams there lives a different maple.

5x15 is 75.

[Kabanaw]

They need to remake the magic formula to be more like the WA ones, so an item doesn't need 5 MA to balance 1 WA.

[SoupySoupy]

Oh deary me so it is. The point is the same though.

[Stereo]

Do you guys really want it to be that as soon as a mage hits 120 they can 1 hit KO everything in the game?
Lets take some attack items and make them equal to their M.atk conterparts, assuming 1 atk= 5 of whatever damage stat:

Cider, 20 attack: Cider, 100 M.atk
MoN, 10 attack: MoN, 50 M. Atk
Shield, 15 attack: Shield, 60 M.atk
Cape, 4 attack clean: Cape, 20 M.atk clean
Gloves, 15 attack: Gloves, 60 M.atk

...and so on.

Mages don't need the boost. They do everything they need to do well enough with the equips we have. To give them equal boosts from the items we get would just be insane.

Saying 1 atk = 5 of the damage stat just doesn't work though... it might incidentally be right but it's not a hard law.

Having +matk from gear/pots that adds to the spell's base attack instead of to the MAGIC stat is the only way to have "fair" gear. But the classes aren't balanced with that in mind.

It's not a competition, every class doesn't need the same gear. How come pirates can't wear Taru Capes? Or Bosshunter armor? They lose out on stats because of that, surely. Why does the level 70 warrior hat only add 1 stat, the rest add 4? It is a Nexon Mystery.