Achievement Thread

[Dark Link]

I thought the difference was SO FREAKING MINIMAL that it really didn't matter?

[Raul]

I thought the difference was SO FREAKING MINIMAL that it really didn't matter?

In general, it's something like a rounding error.
One of them slightly edges out the other by a couple points of damage, I forget.

[ShinkuDragon]

I thought the difference was SO FREAKING MINIMAL that it really didn't matter?

on attack vs damage, yes, if you go into skills and whatnot, difference is a bit bigger, but still meh, we could take it to Q&A or discussion or mechanics if you want, dunno which would be appropiate.

achievement:

yesterday: boomed a CHTP with the second epic pot scroll QQ

today: sold my 11 attk 6 slot 2L empress glove for 1.3M will try to get a CHTP tomorrow.

[Justin]

Wait what? So you're saying that the potential line 3% attack is the same as 3% damage? That makes no sense. adding 3% more of your total attack stat should not be the equivalent of 3% damage added onto your range. Or is it one of those "lost in translation" kinda things? Why would they be two seperate lines if they do essentially the same thing?

[FoolsLove]

on attack vs damage, yes, if you go into skills and whatnot, difference is a bit bigger, but still meh, we could take it to Q&A or discussion or mechanics if you want, dunno which would be appropiate.

achievement:

yesterday: boomed a CHTP with the second epic pot scroll QQ

today: sold my 11 attk 6 slot 2L empress glove for 1.3M will try to get a CHTP tomorrow.

1.3m?

Wat?

[Liteness]

pretty sure %atk just boosts how much atk you have and %dmg increases ur range by that %

[ShinkuDragon]

1.3m?

Wat?

that's suppossed to be a "B" my bad

pretty sure %atk just boosts how much atk you have and %dmg increases ur range by that %

yes, and in the end they have the same effect.

Wait what? So you're saying that the potential line 3% attack is the same as 3% damage? That makes no sense. adding 3% more of your total attack stat should not be the equivalent of 3% damage added onto your range. Or is it one of those "lost in translation" kinda things? Why would they be two seperate lines if they do essentially the same thing?

it's exactly what i'm saying, mind making the thread in whatever forum's appropriate?

in short, the formula for damage is one huge multiplication, which makes both bonuses do the same thing to your damage in the end.

but seriously, if you want me to explain in more detail, tell me where to make the thread/make it yourself.

[Locked]

that's suppossed to be a "B" my bad

yes, and in the end they have the same effect.


it's exactly what i'm saying, mind making the thread in whatever forum's appropriate?

in short, the formula for damage is one huge multiplication, which makes both bonuses do the same thing to your damage in the end.

but seriously, if you want me to explain in more detail, tell me where to make the thread/make it yourself.

Assuming 300 attack, 4000 primary, 200 secondary and 1.3 multiplier.
9% attack:
1.3(4*4000+200)*(300*1.09)/100 = 68866

9% total damage:
1.3(4*4000+200)*300/100 = 63180 * 1.09 = 68866

there.
Shut up now about it.

[ShinkuDragon]

goddamit guys, didn't even let me answer, and i wanted to go more into details about buffs and whatnot, anyways, so that it doesn't go to waste:

ok, while i look for my old copy pasta that explained this, i'll lie down the basics, the following is the damage formula (gonna use warrior/dark knight for this 1.49 PA multiplier), using 6% attack/damage for the examples.:

1.49*attk*(dex + str*4)/100

%attack is applied to your total attack, this means that my 35 attack buff from hex of the beholder, that apple i'm using, the cygnus +24attk buff, the attack on my gloves/shoes/weapons, they all add together before being increased by 6%, so you could say the formula looks like this:

1.49*(attk*1.06)*(dex + str*4)/100

now, damage% on the other hand, multiplies your whole range by 6%, so the formula would look like this:

1.06* [1.49*attk*(dex + str*4)/100]

you should be able to notice something right? if you remove the parenthesis, both formulas end up being equal, this is why i say that %dmg=%attk, formula wise, they do the same thing in the end.

the small difference comes from when the game rounds down, in the case of attack, it gets rounded down before being put in the formula, say you had 165 total attack before applying 6% attack, it would become: 165*1.06=174.9

this gets rounded down to 174, then applied into the formula, effectively making you lose 0.9 attack

let's look at both examples of dmg or attk, using 165 as your base attk, and (dex + str*4)/100 equaling 200.

%attk:
1.49*([165*1.06]round down)*(dex + str*4)/100
1.49*(174.9 round down)*200
1.49*174*200
51852

now with % damage, it gets rounded at the very end of the formula, looking like this:

%dmg:
1.06* [1.49*attk*(dex + str*4)/100]
1.06*[1.49*165*200]
1.06*49170
52120.2 (round down)
52120

as you can see, in the case of %dmg, since the rounding occurs much later, the impact on the final damage is much less, in this example we lost 0.9 w.attk because of the rounding, however, this number varies depending on your current attack and %attk, it can go from 0 to 0.99 (if it were 1, it wouldn't round down.)

the bolded numbers are what your range window will indicate as you know %damage doesn't display on your "range" while %attack does.

now, any part you want me to explain in more detail? while i look to see if i still have the copy pasta.

a few examples of what i wanted to discuss was how, for example, even though berzerk is 60% damage, it stacks multiplicatively with %total damage and %boss damage, making the formula something like range*zerk*(total+boss %)

and that dark aura, even though it says "20% damage" is actually 20% attack and stacks additively with %attack from stuff like echo or potential.

[¬Rob]

From walking into the FM, and doing nothing else.

[ShinkuDragon]

Ban or DC? and for how long.

[¬Rob]

D/c, but with all these bans, it scared me half to death. This is the second time it's said 'blocked' for me, but only d/c'd me. Game loves f'ucking with me.

[Pink Bean]

I got a false block randomly at BGA a few days earlier.
BLOCKED? no not really lol we just like pineappleing with you.

So yesterday I got a late birthday present:

It turned out 2 lined on reveal and I threw a premium cube on it and it turned epic + this. I'm going to scroll this with GM GFAs aaaaa~
These (empress gears) IMO are pretty rare in Nido. We usually have to wait for server transfers to get some more into the economy here.

[PirateIzzy]

Nexon should scrap the autoban system, all it does is ban legits -_-

[DeanNim]

hehehe finally.

[happylight]

One thousand and one Kenta PQ runs.

[Raul]

Has anyone ever told you you have no life?
At least it's not 9001 times.

[Dark Link]

Has anyone ever told you you have no life?
At least it's not 9001 times.

That is FAR from "No Life" status, sir.
There's stuff I've done in WoW that took 6 months - 1+ years to do.

[¬Rob]

Has anyone ever told you you have no life?
At least it's not 9001 times.

Didn't know spending 5minutes 10 times a day(50minutes, not even an hour) qualified as 'no life', especially if it's something one may enjoy. o_O

Grats on 1001 runs. I haven't even done it 30 times on my F/P. ): I really should, for them goggles.

[Zelkova]

I am in a very famous youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...4BUp2sU#t=147s

My ign is mmochi and I said "Nope" and was friends with ThangDinh275 (Louis)

He didnt tell me he was recording the fight, he just said he was trying to level.


My other friend AugustWinter was in the video as well.


He credits me in the original video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqScy...o6ZISTywxvSQr4