What is the min range to be able to solo pink bean in 1hour for mercedes, phantom,

Most of those vids I saw were mercs phantoms hitting cap damage on statue.

I think it takes 5-6.5m DPS to be sure of a solo, but i'm not entirely positive.

I think you need a range at 90k-100k at least.

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

I think it takes 5-6.5m DPS to be sure of a solo, but i'm not entirely positive.

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gotta be less, otherwise we wouldn't have dark knight solo's

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

gotta be less, otherwise we wouldn't have dark knight solo's

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..?
Seems spot on.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

gotta be less, otherwise we wouldn't have dark knight solo's

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They break 5m through revenge don't they?

My DPS is around that estimate but i can't hit 2 statues at once with my main attack like DrKs can.

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

They break 5m through revenge don't they?

My DPS is around that estimate but i can't hit 2 statues at once with my main attack like DrKs can.

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main reason why i said that is because:

hitting two statues requires jumping, it is indeed still faster, not 2x as.
revenge is once every 5 seconds, so not the best source of damage
ariel requires jumping
PB's defense makes a DPS of 5M pretty hard, even more so with damage reflect, and we got crash for that*

in your video, your damage was inmense, but attacking only 13-ish seconds out of 45 don't think your DPS was 5-6.5M

i'm probably missing something or misunderstood what he said *shrugs* your opinion/insight appreciated.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

main reason why i said that is because:

hitting two statues requires jumping, it is indeed still faster, not 2x as.
revenge is once every 5 seconds, so not the best source of damage
ariel requires jumping
PB's defense makes a DPS of 5M pretty hard, even more so with damage reflect, and we got crash for that*

in your video, your damage was inmense, but attacking only 13-ish seconds out of 45 don't think your DPS was 5-6.5M

i'm probably missing something or misunderstood what he said *shrugs* your opinion/insight appreciated.

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I mean it's a lot different for DrKs since again they can hit two statues at once and crash helps a LOOOOOT, so it probably requires much less DPS (maybe 3.5-4.5?) than it does for my class.

The estimate before was based off an old old calculation i did back when grandpa didn't attack, so i don't know what it is now or what it was in the PB fight, but the PB PDR/resistance doesn't apply so much to this kind of estimate because the key to beating PB is making sure you can kill the statues in a reasonable time to allow yourself the space to kill the bean. If you're doing minimum DPS against the statues, it won't take that much more effort to kill the bean. The only problem is DR which DrKs obviously have a massive edge on, not to mention ignoring all PDR.

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

I mean it's a lot different for DrKs since again they can hit two statues at once and crash helps a LOOOOOT, so it probably requires much less DPS (maybe 3.5-4.5?) than it does for my class.

The estimate before was based off an old old calculation i did back when grandpa didn't attack, so i don't know what it is now or what it was in the PB fight, but the PB PDR/resistance doesn't apply so much to this kind of estimate because the key to beating PB is making sure you can kill the statues in a reasonable time to allow yourself the space to kill the bean. If you're doing minimum DPS against the statues, it won't take that much more effort to kill the bean. The only problem is DR which DrKs obviously have a massive edge on, not to mention ignoring all PDR.

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aight's, got it now. (just a quick note* you wouldn't be using sac on PB, since the PDR of it is so similar to the statues, and if you're soloing PB/statues, your impale most certainly is already beating it damage-wise with crits)

may change when it becomes 4 hits, can't wait for my turn to do this.

phantoms would also need a lower DPS then too* since they have the ability to steal crash

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

phantoms would also need a lower DPS then too* since they have the ability to steal crash

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Phantoms probably need the lowest out of any class in the game since they can not only steal crash, but take away DR.

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Originally Posted by zantgx

I think you need a range at 90k-100k at least.

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Actually a 100k range for mercedes does around 100k+ per line of ring of ishtar. Coz a fren with that range does ard that dmg on pink bean.

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Originally Posted by Takebacker

I think it takes 5-6.5m DPS to be sure of a solo, but i'm not entirely positive.

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Well ts asked about Mercedes.
Back when BGA wasn't stunning every second, I did roughly 100M per minute, or say 1.6M/sec with somewhere around 60k range and no boss%.
So based on Takebacker's estimate, I would need to quadruple my range to solo pink bean.
Or say, 120 range with 100% boss and a good amount of defence reduction etc.

If however, it was necessary to hit damage cap as ts implied, then I would need 10x current range, or 300k range plus 100% boss. Not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by MissingLink

Well ts asked about Mercedes.
Back when BGA wasn't stunning every second, I did roughly 100M per minute, or say 1.6M/sec with somewhere around 60k range and no boss%.
So based on Takebacker's estimate, I would need to quadruple my range to solo pink bean.
Or say, 120 range with 100% boss and a good amount of defence reduction etc.

If however, it was necessary to hit damage cap as ts implied, then I would need 10x current range, or 300k range plus 100% boss. Not gonna happen.

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you can cut that to a much easier 150k with 200% boss (still a fkwad of money, but not as much as 300k)

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Originally Posted by ShinkuDragon

you can cut that to a much easier 150k with 200% boss (still a fkwad of money, but not as much as 300k)

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it might be just a little bit cheaper thanks to Aria :f2:

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Originally Posted by sw2009

Most of those vids I saw were mercs phantoms hitting cap damage on statue.

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I'd say the $2000,- ~ $3000,- investment range, minimum. If you want better results, try the $5000,- range.

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Originally Posted by MissingLink

Well ts asked about Mercedes.

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Good thing what i said was independent of class and is merely influenced by things like crash and hitting multiple targets, which mercedes does not do.