Calculating %increase from boss neb + other calculations/questions

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=67452

@hadriel; @Mazz;

Note: I am strictly talking about bosses only.

1. Making a chart for my Xenon similar to the one in mazz's. One question I have though is about %dmg. Not sure if dual blades have any natural %dmg but Xenons do. But from what I remember about calculating stuff and researching updated information, I think some of the calculations are wrong because of the assumption that Mazz's DB has 0% total damage (which I'm sure is not the case as he's getting at least some from kanna and dojo glove).

So basically just throwing out some hypothetical numbers, if I had 50% damage, 200% boss, then my effective damage rate would be 3.50 right instead of 3.00? Then when comparing the 20% boss neb, I would be using a value of 3.70 instead of 3.20 right?

2. Can someone link or explain how to calculate your say base dex with all your gear on? I know it has something to do with using MW then doing some calculations

3. Ambition works now right?

4. Is this PDR chart correct for the bosses listed?
http://puu.sh/3KNEi.png

Probably got some more later.

No, i don't think ambition works still. I wouldn't count on it ever being fixed.

Assuming by dex you mean your primary stat, it goes like this:
1) check your base+bonus without MW. eg. 1000+2000.
2) cast MW and check again. eg. 1000+2100
3) Multiply base by the MW bonus (5% for example) = 50
4) Divide the difference to get your %stats: 100/50 = 2.0 (which is +100% stats)
5) Divide your first total by this amount: 3000/2.0 = 1500
6) So your gear and stuff are adding a flat +500 stat, and +100% stats.

Dual Blade doesn't have any %damage that affects damage range, but they get 60% from Final Cut. I had 10% from Kanna, however much is on Hero's Gloves (20%?), 9% on my Dagger, 9% on Katara. All that + another 10% from Demon Avenger now.

Also, I'm about 90% sure Ambition doesn't work.

Hard Hilla is 100%, Empress is 100%, and Hard Magnus is 120%.

The rest of the Chaos Root Abyss bosses are correct.

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Originally Posted by Mazz

Dual Blade doesn't have any %damage that affects damage range, but they get 60% from Final Cut. I had 10% from Kanna, however much is on Hero's Gloves (20%?), 9% on my Dagger, 9% on Katara. All that + another 10% from Demon Avenger now.

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So I believe hadriel's math is correct (I double checked them as well) but the numbers he used may or may not be correct (point #1 in OP) as the multiplier on bosses comes from

1 + total_damage% + boss_damage% + hyper

While in your original thread he only used

1 + boss_damage% + hyper

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Originally Posted by Kaasoljoyyx

So I believe hadriel's math is correct (I double checked them as well) but the numbers he used may or may not be correct (point #1 in OP) as the multiplier on bosses comes from

1 + total_damage% + boss_damage% + hyper

While in your original thread he only used

1 + boss_damage% + hyper

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yea, that's correct, %total damage from hypers, certain skills (xenon's multilateral for example) and potentials (and apparently kanna and maybe demon avenger) all stack additively with %boss damage.

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Originally Posted by Kaasoljoyyx

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=67452

@hadriel; @Mazz;

Note: I am strictly talking about bosses only.

1. Making a chart for my Xenon similar to the one in mazz's. One question I have though is about %dmg. Not sure if dual blades have any natural %dmg but Xenons do. But from what I remember about calculating stuff and researching updated information, I think some of the calculations are wrong because of the assumption that Mazz's DB has 0% total damage (which I'm sure is not the case as he's getting at least some from kanna and dojo glove).

So basically just throwing out some hypothetical numbers, if I had 50% damage, 200% boss, then my effective damage rate would be 3.50 right instead of 3.00? Then when comparing the 20% boss neb, I would be using a value of 3.70 instead of 3.20 right? Yes

2. Can someone link or explain how to calculate your say base dex with all your gear on? I know it has something to do with using MW then doing some calculations
Use a buff that gives a set amount of +DEX. If you use a 40 dex buff and get +80 dex, then you know you have 100% dex. Now that you have %dex, just do BASE = TOTAL / %DEX.

3. Ambition works now right? It's not working for mages. It probably works for everyone else.

4. Is this PDR chart correct for the bosses listed?
http://puu.sh/3KNEi.png
idk
Probably got some more later.

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I'm at work now and can't do much heavy punching atm. Wait 14 hours for me.

Stereo got the numbers right.

I always count ambition. If it's a bug, it's a bug, not a problem with numbers. It usually doesn't change the conclusion.

Your effective damage rate on the first post is correct.

The PDR values came (mostly) from the Boss Module thread. I might have tried to catch some of the changes when doing those numbers but I can't verify now.

Ok after a quick look (I'm on the train now) indeed I didn't account for the gloves and stuff. I did declare that I simply used what he said, because I don't have experience with Dojo gloves and stuff. In which case simply continue the trend, which should be pretty obvious by now.

Hadriel

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Originally Posted by hadriel

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That's no problem, I know the math was right but I had a feeling the numbers used weren't entirely correct for the true purpose that mazz wanted meaning the results he got were misleading. When I finish up my chart I'll post it here to see if anyone can check it for me.

Still doesn't change the conclusion. At that damage factor, another 10-30%DMG/Boss/Hyper is even less significant compared to IgnorePDR. A suitable approximate correction would be having the break-even point one PDR stage higher (i.e. 70% ---> 100%, 100% --> 120%).

You probably won't need me to check your numbers. It's relatively straightforward to do, even on Excel.

Hadriel

I got the bulk of it done, just needs fine tuning, mainly aesthetics. L>suggestions before I turn this into an official calculator and start spreading it more widely.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...&rm=full#gid=4

Looks ok.

Hadriel

You can format the cells to display % instead of doing x100.