Bishop/Priest at Bosses - Hardest wroker?

[gucci]

Who works hardest at major boss fights? I personally think it's bishops/priests.
I've been playing bishop at Zakum recently and found it tougher than playing a normal attacker. You have to take care of the entire party, put up with demanding party members, and everyone seems to "rely" on you. Futhermrore having the res skill means swtiching parties often, which i think is a distraction that sometimes leads to death.

How do you bishops/priests put up with overly demanding party members? Do you get blamed if things don't do well?

[Kevvl]

Bossing for a Bowman/Sin attacker that can only take 1 hit is harder if the Priest isn't too good XD

[miny]

When I priest/bishop during a Zakum run, I don't get blamed when it doesn't go well. People shouldn't be relying on priest/bishop anyways. It's their fault if they die or something since they're not potting themselves.

[Lunare]

Priesting is definately very difficult. You can not pot while healing so you have to hope that a buyer doesn't get hit in the second that you're potting your mp. You also have to remember to dispel and even revive sometimes.

[Kevvl]

When I priest/bishop during a Zakum run, I don't get blamed when it doesn't go well. People shouldn't be relying on priest/bishop anyways. It's their fault if they die or something since they're not potting themselves.

When you can't take more than 1 hit, it's either rely 100% on the priest, or use a potion every time you get hit (Which makes the priest near-pointless :eek:)

[Candi]

It all depends on your priest/bishop. If the priest/bishop is lagging or is healing and dispelling, you should watch your HP. Priests/Bishops that are in a buyer party should just be spamming heal, and only dispelling when they are sealed. About the potting, I'm pretty sure 90% of bishops use auto MP.

I can't say that playing a bishop is harder than an attacker. I think it's fairly equal. Only time it gets kinda intense for me is at HT when someone gets seduced. That's the only time I think people should be dependant on a bishop.

[EchoFaith]

i wouldn't say its hard (though i haven't actually been to HT yet) but its probably very different from actually attacking. back when zak runs relied on CBs to ME zakum to death, the CBs were quite dependent on getting healed as well. even then, it wasn't too hard though. once you have enough experience, pretty much anything can be easy.

[miny]

When you can't take more than 1 hit, it's either rely 100% on the priest, or use a potion every time you get hit (Which makes the priest near-pointless :eek:)

That's maybe the reason why they bring pots.. so they can pot themselves. If they rely on priest 100% of the time, they'll die. Priests get stunned during Zakum runs & have to dispel other party members. Yes, priests are suppose to heal buyers but buyers aren't suppose to be relying on priests 100% of the time. When they lag or something, priests can heal 'em so they won't die.


Priests/Bishops that are in a buyer party should just be spamming heal, and only dispelling when they are sealed.

But what happens if there are attackers in a party with buyers? You'll need to dispel & heal.

[Kevvl]

That's maybe the reason why they bring pots.. so they can pot themselves. If they rely on priest 100% of the time, they'll die. Priests get stunned during Zakum runs & have to dispel other party members. Yes, priests are suppose to heal buyers but buyers aren't suppose to be relying on priests 100% of the time. When they lag or something, priests can heal 'em so they won't die.

You just gotta know how long is safe to wait for the priest to heal you. Sometimes, you can just get partied with a really bad priest (Like this one that used MG and healed every 4-5 times I got hit at Himes)

Needless to say, he died about 6 times before I got tired of wasting my potions. (I only died 3 :wink:)

[Xelstyle]

You just gotta know how long is safe to wait for the priest to heal you. Sometimes, you can just get partied with a really bad priest (Like this one that used MG and healed every 4-5 times I got hit at Himes)

Needless to say, he died about 6 times before I got tired of wasting my potions. (I only died 3 :wink:)

Ouch.
I'm lucky all my priest friends aren't so...yeah...


Anyways, being a priest has been definitely tough for training at Himes as well.
Going from 11k HP to a mere 2k HP is not fun...
However though, considering Newties....so many lazy/quick leveling people. xD

[Hana]

CBs/Shadowers have the hardest time IMO.

[Afrobean]

You just gotta know how long is safe to wait for the priest to heal you. Sometimes, you can just get partied with a really bad priest (Like this one that used MG and healed every 4-5 times I got hit at Himes)

Needless to say, he died about 6 times before I got tired of wasting my potions. (I only died 3 :wink:)
If the Priest can fight well, you should not think he should need to be limited to healing you. In my Priest days, there was scarcely anyone who was killing Dreamy Ghosts as well as me. I don't think I ever partied with someone near my level range that killed at the rate I did. As a point of reference, Priest's SR on Holy-weak is right in the middle of potential DPS of all class's attacks. In addition, they have a summon which can add a tiny bit more DPS and just about the best mobility of any class. Nightlords technically are better mobility, but Priest's attacking methods in this map are more versatile despite slightly less mobility (which, frankly, can be overcome by simply having haste or good speed equipment). In addition, even if the Priest doesn't grossly outmatch you in DPS (probably only possible if they have way worse gear than you), him sticking to attacking would STILL lead to higher exp rates regardless due to the way party exp works.

On the topic at hand: Holy Magicians who spam Heal do not have it hard at all. Those who go all out, use Heal when needed, use buffs when needed, and throw attacks when it's safe, do have it hard. It's worth it though, I think. Easy things are boring. I did some fighting against a cake boss, and I think I got a decent feel for how I would handle myself if I was a Nightlord at Zakum or something... not fun at all.

[Furnost]

Personally, I think there has been a decrease in a heavy reliance for Bishops/Priests on boss runs now that a lot of people use auto-pot.

Being a Bishop myself, the only time I'm really heavily relied on is when I'm the main seduce Bishop @ HT. The seduced person MUST rely on the bishop since they can't do anything and, in essence, how well they perform does affect the course of the run.

As far as the moving parties to res people...a Bishop should be attentive enough to move parties and keep an eye on their health...that's just careless on their end and it's in no way the moving-from-parties fault.

I've HT'd multiple times and have had to move parties way more than once per run to res people and what not. If you have auto-pot and die then you shouldn't be playing this game...if you don't then I can see where mistakes could be made (then again I've never gotten auto-pot to-date and I'm perfectly fine when I boss).


If the Priest can fight well, you should not think he should need to be limited to healing you. In my Priest days, there was scarcely anyone who was killing Dreamy Ghosts as well as me. I don't think I ever partied with someone near my level range that killed at the rate I did. As a point of reference, Priest's SR on Holy-weak is right in the middle of potential DPS of all class's attacks. In addition, they have a summon which can add a tiny bit more DPS and just about the best mobility of any class. Nightlords technically are better mobility, but Priest's attacking methods in this map are more versatile despite slightly less mobility (which, frankly, can be overcome by simply having haste or good speed equipment). In addition, even if the Priest doesn't grossly outmatch you in DPS (probably only possible if they have way worse gear than you), him sticking to attacking would STILL lead to higher exp rates regardless due to the way party exp works.

On the topic at hand: Holy Magicians who spam Heal do not have it hard at all. Those who go all out, use Heal when needed, use buffs when needed, and throw attacks when it's safe, do have it hard. It's worth it though, I think. Easy things are boring. I did some fighting against a cake boss, and I think I got a decent feel for how I would handle myself if I was a Nightlord at Zakum or something... not fun at all.

I have to agree with Afrobean on this lol...

I was never a "mobber" priest when I trained at Himes...I always split the map with a friend and the exp was definately better than if I wasted my time mobbing just for that one person to kill (I was lvl 125 when they came out and trained on them until 130 so for you people who are 9x/10x and complain about the exp rate gg lol).

In terms of bossing...this game gets repetative VERY quickly...it's fun to mix things up a bit. I remember a few months ago I organized an all-Bishop Zakum run in Mardia...12 Bishops took us 60 minutes exactly to take it down...nothing but the 20matk buff was used (1 bishop might've used 1 apple but not for the entire run).

Even if I'm a buyer bishop for zruns I still manage to attack zakum when I can...there is no reason to really heal the party if Zakum isn't attacking. Even with Horntail, during the fake heads if it's def'd up there is still good damage being done to it because most of the Bishops start ARing (provided the head is just floating there which it tends to do majority of the time).

It's all about being aware of everything all the time...some people can handle it and others can't :P

[Candi]

That's maybe the reason why they bring pots.. so they can pot themselves. If they rely on priest 100% of the time, they'll die. Priests get stunned during Zakum runs & have to dispel other party members. Yes, priests are suppose to heal buyers but buyers aren't suppose to be relying on priests 100% of the time. When they lag or something, priests can heal 'em so they won't die.



But what happens if there are attackers in a party with buyers? You'll need to dispel & heal.

You won't need to heal and dispell. Buyers come before attackers. If they are main attackers then they shouldn't be in the buyer party. Other then that, attackers in buyer party are useless. Just my opinion though.

I don't think bishops attking at HT make much difference >_> maybe takes off like 1second of HT time but, iuno.

[Lylac]

Priests/bishops definitely have the most pressure on them, but they're the easiest class to control. Shadowers/CBs are the hardest to maneuver, in my opinion, at bossing.

[Muse]

Just take out the word priest because there are quite afew people who organise runs that are big faggot because they don't allow priests because they don't have revive. Well, thats how it is in Broa.

[TaoZhin]

So far as being a bishop...bossing is easy :P Just stand around an heal, and i wouldn't take crap from an attacker, i dont think any bishop/priest should. :f2:

[Afrobean]

So far as being a bishop...bossing is easy :P Just stand around an heal, and i wouldn't take crap from an attacker, i dont think any bishop/priest should. :f2:
Bishops also need to keep track of their party members to ensure they're actually healing them, and they're not goofing off away from the party. Plenty of times I've had idiots climb up to the platform and are sitting there not getting healed. It's sad, but I have to actively tell them they won't get healed if they're up there.

They also need to maintain buffs. It's not like you can cast Bless, MW, and such at the beginning and it'll last through the whole thing. Then there's the idiots who get out of range again. Then there's the buffs with cool downs like Holy Shield (and Infinity, even if that is just for yourself). Then there is your summon if you're using it, and that thing doesn't have a timer in the corner to let you know when you need to recast.

Then there's Res, and the complications related to it. I know I've died at least once trying to hammer out the details of a party shift, because I got 1/1 and bumped while typing something. The worst part is that no one should even die at all during these sort of things, but due to lag, and stupid chat related crap like I just said, it still happens and still needs to be taken care of.

Then there is attacking. Not a requisite, but I'd feel as though I wasn't doing my job if I didn't help all that I could. I don't see how a Bishop could sit back and spam Heal while Zakum is bobbing there doing nothing, and think that they're giving their all.

It takes more diligence to do all that than what other classes do. Other classes need to spam attack, watch their HP/MP, and maybe one or two party buffs. Bishops have two things to spam (heal or attack, depending on the situation), watch their own HP/MP as well as their party members' HP, and make sure multiple buffs remain active (or in the case of HS, ensure that they're active at the right times).

That said, bossing as a Bishop "can" be easy, but those are the Bishops who aren't doing their full duty to the party.


Just take out the word priest because there are quite afew people who organise runs that are big faggot because they don't allow priests because they don't have revive. Well, thats how it is in Broa.
It's to be expected... There are plenty of Bishops who can do the job and do it better, so why would they be interested in someone less qualified.

It'd be like asking them to take a Hermit instead of a Nightlord. It'll only happen if the person has good connections. If this 3rd jobber thinks it's unfair, they have a very simple choice: get higher level to get the wanted skills.

[Katie]

Bishops also need to keep track of their party members to ensure they're actually healing them, and they're not goofing off away from the party.


Why should we have to tell the party members to stay around us. I mean I can see maybe doing it once, but if you have to keep telling people over and over to stay around you, then they shouldn't be in my party. I lag on my laptop and I'm not risking my party members to quit healing so I can type to the tards that wanna screw around. I'd rather protect those that are actually fighting a boss.

When I go to pap, people just automatically stay around me. They know what the distance is they can be away from me. I guess if people are goofing around maybe they shouldn't be there. I guess it's just from past experiences with the people I have partied with.

[Aeosyn]

I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.

Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).

[Beloved]

I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.
Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).

Yeah, attackers these days, are advised to bring their own all cures (I can understand a hermit's situation though). Me at zakum, I'm usually trying to keep track of where everyone is and their hps. I often find myself in the situation where half my party is on the left side of zak, and the other half's on the right. >.>

There's also people who get sealed, and even when unsealed they'll still stand there yelling for it. *scratches head*

lol But that's mostly the inexperienced to intermediate zrunners. The experienced ones don't usually yell. They'll either wait the 2 seconds or they've already got all cures.

[DrRusty]

I'm not to sure about "hardest", but they're definently the class that the party needs to have. Heal and HS are the two biggest things people complain about. When it comes to horntail and zakum; being quick on dispel is also a big must.

[keturah]

I've been zakking on my priest/bishop since Bera first killed Zakum. While it is much easier now than it was back in the summer of 2005, its still more "complicated" than zakking on my NightLord. I find the same true for pap. The bishop has more buffs to cast, keeping track of holyshield/dispel, healing... yeah all those things Afro mentioned. I enjoy playing both, but the NL is, for me, easier from the point of what has to be done while in the room.

Here's the real test. Somewhere or other theres always someone who says..."brb" in the middle of zak.........however I've never heard a bishop say that =p

[Aeosyn]

Oh yes, I love that, lol.

"Brb, keep me alive!"

[kleptophobia]

It is by far the most annoying, but I've had the hardest time playing as a summon controller I/L mage at zakum. No one uses them anymore so it is all good, but back when they did... it was difficult. Unable to take a body hit (w/o HB) and problems with blue mobs, all quite annoying. Not to mention people blame you if they get summon swamped.

[blacktiger19]

What annoys me is when my party members don't think I know when to HS at bosses. When they stray away from the party and complain about not getting dispelled/HSed it becomes very annoying. I've attended many, many zruns under a number of hosts, and many of them have had first time runners who think they're more experienced than they really are. A few days ago, I witnessed (but did not attend) a zrun that my girlfriend (DK) had attended. I distinctly remember one other DK who was sizing himself up against everyone else's "inexperience." Too bad he and most everyone else (aside from my girlfriend, of course xd) forgot their all-cures, and that run eventually failed because everybody just assumed that bishops never disconnect. I should just as much assume attackers never die, and not put any points into revive.

[JoshKun]

I should just as much assume attackers never die, and not put any points into revive.

lol! sp is different from buying all cures, BUT i completely agree with what ur saying (very funny AND true) lern2pot urselves ppl!

The only thing I will say i NEED a bishop for at z runs and ht is when i have to change settings (cuz I use vista) My autopotter doesnt work and i obviously cannot pot myself. This is when a pro priest/bishop comes in handy.

~Josh

[x0xpriestx0x]

I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.

Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).

I love being a Bishop too. When this happens to me like if they dont get dispell of course i try to get to them as quickly as i can but i dont worry too much about it, because seroiusly if they have to depend on bishop to do that, they're pretty nooby themselves. Atker are suppose to bring their own pot and all cure to get ready to even solo. When i go to boss or what not, people suppose to know to pot themselves. I dont like to go with noob so i rather not go because i've had to deal so much with that already. Right now at my level, attackers just automatically know to bring pot & all cure to prepare to go solo bosing either HT or Zak. I'm just there to i guess mainly HSing & to help keep them alive but NOT to be their pot mule. And yeh i'm stuck being seduce party bishop at times and i hated it; just because the black wyverns though otherthan that its just a piece of cake. Anywayz i guess once you get to higher lvl you dont have to worry so much about healing your party because they know not to depend solemly on bishop. :cool:

[Aeosyn]

I wish I could say the people I was complaining about were 'noobs' and if they were I wouldn't even be mentioning it because it's to be expected from people that are not experienced. The reason it's such a pet peeve of mine though is that they are all people that have been bossing for over a year now and yet they forget to bring/buy all cures :hothead:

[blacktiger19]

I wish I could say the people I was complaining about were 'noobs' and if they were I wouldn't even be mentioning it because it's to be expected from people that are not experienced. The reason it's such a pet peeve of mine though is that they are all people that have been bossing for over a year now and yet they forget to bring/buy all cures :hothead:

They don't forget, they just know you wont let them down :glitter:

[Hero]

How are they doing anything special again? They're pressing heal rather than attacking, and using a buff once in a while. Boo hoo?

They have it easiest.

As for whatever attacker except seduce mule depends on their priest/bishop; they're utterly retarded.

[Wani]

It's to be expected... There are plenty of Bishops who can do the job and do it better, so why would they be interested in someone less qualified.

It'd be like asking them to take a Hermit instead of a Nightlord. It'll only happen if the person has good connections. If this 3rd jobber thinks it's unfair, they have a very simple choice: get higher level to get the wanted skills.

I gotta disagree with you there. The only thing a priest can't do that a bishop can is res and genesis spawn, whereas there's a significant difference between a hermit and a NL's damage. A priest and bishop both have equally functioning heal, HS and dispel.


I love being a Bishop and I love bossing as a Bishop. The only time I don't enjoy it is when I have to listen to attackers complain about their bishops not dispelling within 2 seconds of getting sealed (and usually it's because the attackers were too far away/the bishop had fallen off the ledge or whatnot). It just aggravates me because if their damage is so important that they need to be dispelled instantly, why can't they bring all cure potions and use them instead of wasting even more time to type out a complaint or jump around with a lock on their head? That's just my pet peeve.

Anyway, hardest worker/most difficult job at HT: seduce mule Bishop; at Zakum: a berserking Dark Knight (if they get bumped into the body, they're probably dead, they have to constantly cross the body to HB their party members and they have to heal/dispel themselves oh my!).

Firstly, I whinge about not being sealed only if I ran out of all cures, which I try not to do, or because I need to HB. >_< I like HBing regularly.

And secondly, berserking zak is fun, but easier than it looks. You only get knocked onto the body while you're blinking, so you have a chance to pot. Crossing the body is a pain though.

And people depend on DKs a lot, especially at HT. HB is important there, and you get yelled at if you don't notice a dispel (Stupid 95% success rate on HT's dispel). >_< Plus you gotta spam HB on dead people while they get res, hope you don't get sealed, mana burned or 1/1ed while you do that and so on. Fun!

[Nikkey]

The hardest worker at bosses must be seduce bishops (ppoozzoo in Bellocan) at start of horntail. They need to know where the seduce mule is, and eventually walk through body and tail if needed. (Tail is possible with infinity, am I correct?)

Second, I would assume unexperienced seduce mules in the beginning of horntail where you have to remove haste when shadower buffs bishop, remove stance when you're knocked off rope to avoid too fast movement towards body, potting like a madman (hell yeah, this one's funny actually. You have to spam mp pots like a mofo to have a chance to use awakening before horntail uses 1/1 on you. Apart from that, having mp recovery is God considering it gives you enough mp to use awakening), tell that you're seduced, tell which way you go, localize yourself (this is actually kinda hard at times). After tail+body, it's piece o' cake.

Then we go with bowmasters, I think. Using hurricane with random dispels at times must be a pain in the ass.

Dark Knights have it easy, very easy. Unless you're actually trying to deal a lot of damage. (But don't, really, considering having a dead party is way worse dps than you dealing crap damage compared to them)

And if you lag at Horntail, all classes are hard. Apart from seduce mules, which will sometimes have it easier (lag = not seduced lol).