Hero's Will? Pfft...

[Mark]

It's called Pirate's Rage over here in Badass Country.

http://i39.tinypic.com/w2lvgx.jpg

Now if it was called "Pirate's Wrath" everything would be PERFECT.

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/eternal-arcadia/art-01vyse.jpg

[Erich]

/envy.

Anyways, thats how it happened. Badass yes.

[Harrisonized]

Nice. Now see if Nexon did the skill properly and let you add up to 10 points in there.

[FelixTM]

And unfortunately it's still a pathetically worthless skill.

[Mark]

Yeah but it has "RAGE" in it. Gotta account for something.

[Dusk]

Nice. Now see if Nexon did the skill properly and let you add up to 10 points in there.

Thought it was supposed to be 1 though o_o

I still don't understand how the skill is worthless. Doesn't it cancel seduce? *has never been seduced*

[shouri]

Thought it was supposed to be 1 though o_o

I still don't understand how the skill is worthless. Doesn't it cancel seduce? *has never been seduced*

Yup sure does, but what's the point in wasting 10 points that could go towards other 4th job skills?

[FelixTM]

Thought it was supposed to be 1 though o_o

I still don't understand how the skill is worthless. Doesn't it cancel seduce? *has never been seduced*

It's worthless because its only use would be the most desperate of pinch. For example, your party is Bishopless for some reason, you get Sed'd and are doomed unless you cancel it and save yourself. In all the times I've HT'd, that's only happened once--and I would have been screwed anyway. For the vast majority of the time, your Bishop will keep you alive while you're Sed'd (if you ever even get Seduced...I rarely do). High HP characters can outlast Sed easily by themselves.

Plus Hero's Will has a retarded cooldown to make it even less practical.


Yup sure does, but what's the point in wasting 10 points that could go towards other 4th job skills?

It maxes at level 1.

[Dusk]

Yup sure does, but what's the point in wasting 10 points that could go towards other 4th job skills?

But it's not 10 points.

@Felix, who is a crazy ninja: Ah, I see. I didn't realize Dispel cancelled seduce.

Edit: Wait, can Dispel be used while Sealed/Seduced?

[DrRusty]

But it's not 10 points.

@Felix, who is a crazy ninja: Ah, I see. I didn't realize Dispel cancelled seduce.

Edit: Wait, can Dispel be used while Sealed/Seduced?

Dispel doesn't cancel seduce, only hero's will does.

Dispel can be used while sealed, and it can cancel seal for the whole part. No it can't be used while seduced.

[FelixTM]

But it's not 10 points.

@Felix, who is a crazy ninja: Ah, I see. I didn't realize Dispel cancelled seduce.

Edit: Wait, can Dispel be used while Sealed/Seduced?

Dispel can't remove Seduce. Bishops just keep you alive by healing you while you're Sed.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Dusk]

Dispel doesn't cancel seduce, only hero's will does.

Dispel can be used while sealed, and it can cancel seal for the whole part. No it can't be used while seduced.

0___0 Then how does the Bishop save you? *complete HT nub*

I realize you can be healed, but I was under the impression that walking into HT's body killed most characters.

[Stereo]

That's why they usually kill the bottom parts (tail and legs) first.

Once they're gone you can walk back and forth all you want and not die so much. He just blasts you with 8k magic and summons.

[DrRusty]

0___0 Then how does the Bishop save you? *complete HT nub*

I realize you can be healed, but I was under the impression that walking into HT's body killed most characters.

that's why shadowers are the best SED mules. dark site FTW. not to mention mesos gaurd cuts 1/1's in half.

[FelixTM]

0___0 Then how does the Bishop save you? *complete HT nub*

I realize you can be healed, but I was under the impression that walking into HT's body killed most characters.

You don't walk into the body. lol During the legs/tail phase, it's really one person who gets Seduced. That person is typically a Shadower (Dark Sight + high avoid) or a very high HP Warrior. The other Sed phases don't cause anyone to walk into any body parts--just the rocks on either side. If you sit under them too long while Sed'd, you'll die (unless you're being Healed or have high HP).

[Dusk]

That's why they usually kill the bottom parts (tail and legs) first.

Once they're gone you can walk back and forth all you want and not die so much. He just blasts you with 8k magic and summons.


that's why shadowers are the best SED mules. dark site FTW. not to mention mesos gaurd cuts 1/1's in half.

Ah, thanks, clears things up. One last total nub question - how do you get HT to actually seduce the seduce mule?

[FelixTM]

Ah, thanks, clears things up. One last total nub question - how do you get HT to actually seduce the seduce mule?

Seduce follows the entry order. The first to enter the main altar is the first to get Seduced and so on and so on.

[Stereo]

It seduces the first person to enter the map, they just enter in order they want to be seduced (so high hp/shadowers, then mid hp, then low hp/priests)


I dunno if it changes target after they die or if they'll still be the primary goal if they're resurrected though o.o

[Dusk]

Seduce follows the entry order. The first to enter the main altar is the first to get Seduced and so on and so on.

Oh, ok. Kinda like that crappy thriller movie that shares its name with a stage in Melee, I guess. Thanks.

[DrRusty]

It seduces the first person to enter the map, they just enter in order they want to be seduced (so high hp/shadowers, then mid hp, then low hp/priests)


I dunno if it changes target after they die or if they'll still be the primary goal if they're resurrected though o.o

If the SED dies, the next person who went in becomes the next seduce. If the first SED gets rez'd, then he/she becomes main seduce again.

[Mark]

Some thread this turned out to be.

[FelixTM]

Some thread this turned out to be.

Worthy of a Pirate's RAGE, perhaps?

[KajitiSouls]

I loled xD

Here's more trivia saying why Hero's Will (and Pirate's Rage) is useless =D
--You can't use Hero's Will if you don't have the MP for it. Read: useless when monsters use MP-drain or 1/1 attacks.
--You can't use Hero's Will if you're sealed. LOL

The rest people have already mentioned >_>

[Mark]

Worthy of a Pirate's RAGE, perhaps?

Too depressed to rage right now. ;-;

[Devil]

I always wondered why Nexon added the cooldown on it...

Bishops get massive attacking skills, why not give other classes dispell skills that actually WORK? I mean, Genesis doesn't have a 10 min cooldown either? (would have been nice though... lol).

Why didn't Nexon remove the cooldown completely? It's not like you can't buy all cures for 400 mesos each... Why the crappy cooldown on a skill like this? :X

[Rick]

I always wondered why Nexon added the cooldown on it...

Bishops get massive attacking skills, why not give other classes dispell skills that actually WORK? I mean, Genesis doesn't have a 10 min cooldown either? (would have been nice though... lol).

Why didn't Nexon remove the cooldown completely? It's not like you can't buy all cures for 400 mesos each... Why the crappy cooldown on a skill like this? :X

If there's no cooldown you may as well just remove seduce all together... and if I recall, all cures don't work on seduce. If it did then why would they have Hero's Will?

[IllegallySane]

Stop derailing the thread.

Pirate's Rage? I'd totally get that skill even if it's just level 0, for the sake of having it.

Hero's Will? Cool
Pirate's Rage? Badass.

*Who's the guy in the spoiler?

[Mark]

Vyse from Skies of Arcadia. He does this to people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQBE-3jZVQ

[Kabanaw]

Wait, I'm kind of confused by suduce. Can you pot while seduced, or is that why you need a priest?

edit: on topic, why Pirate's Rage and Hero's will? Why not Magician's Ingenuity, Thief's Cunning, Warrior's Strength, and Archer's Pride?

[CrazyNomad]

I always wondered why Nexon added the cooldown on it...

Bishops get massive attacking skills, why not give other classes dispell skills that actually WORK? I mean, Genesis doesn't have a 10 min cooldown either? (would have been nice though... lol).

Why didn't Nexon remove the cooldown completely? It's not like you can't buy all cures for 400 mesos each... Why the crappy cooldown on a skill like this? :X

did you ever tried to use heros will while sealed, cursed, poisoned, etc?

heros will only cure seduce, heros will dont cure curse, poison etc, so i think its why it have cooldown