Question regarding equipment and hp

[Cyanne]

Well, since archers naturally have really low hp, most archers hp wash, but I kind of think that that's a waste of money. So I was thinking about getting a set of hp equipment to use whenever needed. It would give me a lot more versatility by letting me use only the exact amount of hp needed by putting on each hp equipment.

My plan is to get an hp pig headband (unless I get a zakum helmet), hp earrings, an hp bottom, an hp glove, and an hp bosshunter greaves. I'd just swap out as many pieces of equipment as I need for certain situations, like bossing, since all of my equipment would be scrolled for dex except for the top. The top/bottom thing works well with the current inflation of overall dex scrolls because overalls can't be scrolled for hp. I probably won't lose too much damage at places where I need to swap equipment. Also, in the higher levels, my main function would probably be to provide sharp eyes anyways, and snipe would always deal constant damage regardless of equipment.

My question is whether or not this would work, and if so, why haven't I heard of this anywhere else?

[IsaacGS]

Well, that's going to help somewhat, but it's not going to save you from washing entirely. Even with a sheriff's badge and all 3 pieces of bosshunter gear, that's 400 HP. (Btw, if you can get it, Bosshunter Overall is wayyyyyyy better than top/bottom) You're also going to be taking a huge hit to your damage. I mean, an HP glove... even if you would only be using an "average" 8 attack glove, that's still loosing 8 attack points. That's pretty big. If you had a better glove, say 15, that's an even bigger drop. You might be better off just buying a well-scrolled Kandiva and using your regular gloves. I mean, more than likely your gloves won't be getting 100 HP on them anyway, and the attack loss will be less.

don't underestimate how much that's going to hurt your damage. You're also going to be losing out on a lot of defense, which while it may not seem like much, will end up forcing you to get even more HP from gear.



In short, Having HP gear on hand if you need it is good, but I don't think you can get enough from this (without massive hits to your damage) to avoid washing in general. Just doing the bloodmaster thing sounds more efficient.

[Cyanne]

Well, the glove thing would be a last resort since a glove is the only piece of equipment that adds a large amount of attack. Same goes with the cape to lesser extent. And I'm sure I could scroll a bottom to be over the 100hp a bosshunter armor has. Oh, and thanks for reminding me about the nishada; that would also allow for an hp top. I'm planning on going strless until around level 100 or so, so I'll probably get a very nice nishada and keep it for when I might need the hp in the future.

What I don't like about the bloodmaster thing is that I'd be losing out on power wherever I go, even when training, since I'll be choosing not to reset into dex, and when doing dangerous stuff, the difference in damage won't be too much far off assuming I don't have insane dex equipment.

By the way, 30% hp scrolls add 30hp, right?

[Findings]

Most people usually do use a couple HP equipments, at least temporarily. Even those who wash. The only people that never do level with good INT equipment for the majority of their levels. You don't hear about it because...well, having to gimp your damage to survive isn't really anything to brag about. I used Greaves/Top/Bottom for awhile, but ended up getting the necessary HP to survive everything without them.

If you must use a hat, use a HP scrolled Zakum Helm. I know from firsthand experience dying at HT that clean Zakum Helm > +150 HP Bosshunter Helm. The loss of M.DEF from anything else isn't nearly as significant.

And yeah, I believe all 30% HP scrolls add 30 HP.

[DjDisko]

This idea isn't bad but hp gear can only do so much. I know a Bow Master AsuraLucifer in Mardia. She has not hp washed but she did add alot of points into hp. At her current level which is like 16x at the moment I do believe. I seen her today 12/3/2008 Her maximum damage I seen on a transformed newtie was 12k. I do not know the average damage of a 16x Bow Master but I am pretty sure 12k isn't very good. I am not trying to bash AsuraLucifer in any way she is very nice. I am just providing an example.

[GMSInfighter]

I'm pretty sick of dying at Elder Wraiths on my way to Windraiders.

Bowman's HP stink, but I'm glad to say that's the only thing that stinks about them. :heart:

Uhm, HP gear will take a major block off your damage range. Your going to need at least regular equipment to level, not just a bow and decked out HP gear :P

If your willing to risk that many attack points equips wise, might as well just add 10-15 points in 2-3 levels into HP.

Like a mini blood build xD

[Cyanne]

This idea isn't bad but hp gear can only do so much. I know a Bow Master AsuraLucifer in Mardia. She has not hp washed but she did add alot of points into hp. At her current level which is like 16x at the moment I do believe. I seen her today 12/3/2008 Her maximum damage I seen on a transformed newtie was 12k. I do not know the average damage of a 16x Bow Master but I am pretty sure 12k isn't very good. I am not trying to bash AsuraLucifer in any way she is very nice. I am just providing an example.


I'm pretty sick of dying at Elder Wraiths on my way to Windraiders.

Bowman's HP stink, but I'm glad to say that's the only thing that stinks about them. :heart:

Uhm, HP gear will take a major block off your damage range. Your going to need at least regular equipment to level, not just a bow and decked out HP gear :P

If your willing to risk that many attack points equips wise, might as well just add 10-15 points in 2-3 levels into HP.

Like a mini blood build xD

I'll have regular equipment also... I'd only use the hp equipment when needed, like passing through elderwraiths like you said. Before entering the portal, I'd just swap it on, and when I don't need it anymore, I'd swap back. If I need to hunt quest items or something with elderwraiths around, I'd just take the cut to my damage and use the hp equipment. I'm not going to wear it while training unless whatever I'm training on would kill me in one hit, so I won't be any less powerful at places where more than base hp isn't necessary.

[ridanmos]

Don't forget face accessory can be scrolled for HP too, not just dex as everyone prefer.

[Russt]

HP gear works, it's just not always enough for the gap you need to make up for. Assume like Isaac said you gain 400 HP from equips; that's the same as ~22 points into HP, or 22 DEX' worth. If you really wanted to get a lot of HP, you'd be adding at least 40-50 points into HP one way or another.

The thing I don't like about adding points into HP is that it's a static increase. Each point in HP should add, like, 0.2 extra HP per level or something. That way people might actually have incentive to sacrifice some DEX like they were meant to, since even just 5 points at level 10 would become 150 extra HP at level 160. (Plus the ~90 from the initial investment.)

[Harrisonized]

The HP equips sounds only desirable in the lower levels.
Let's explore the different HP equips:
With two 30%s working and x amount of 70%s working with each item:

Zhelmet definitely. I don't think this is arguable.
Earrings: 105 HP
Top: 135 HP
Bottom: 135 HP
Cape: 60
Gloves: 105 HP
Face: 105 HP
Deputy Star: 745 HP
Kandiva: 100 HP

With all that, you get a whopping 845 HP. Sounds good in the lower levels, but not so great in the higher levels.

Average Work Glove is 9 ATK. Average overall is 25 DEX. Average Face is 4 DEX. Average Earrings 10 DEX. Average Cape: 8 DEX 2 ATK

So an overall loss of 43 DEX and 11 ATK
That's a hell of a loss if you don't wash.

But then again, if you leave gloves for last, then you'll still gain 740 HP, but still miss out on the 43 DEX and 2 ATK.

However, with Ruust's calculation of 22 dex being the equivalent of 400 HP, then the HP equipment option doesn't sound too bad. It actually sounds proportional with the DEX loss. (Of course, the DEX loss can vary.) You'd still be missing some ATK though from using the Kandiva.

IDK, it's your choice, just making some calculations.

[Sn1perJohnE]

ive been adding 1 point into HP and rest into dex since about lvl 95, and at 111, with 22 hp from my earrings (on brawler now with 11 dex as well) i have about 31xx to 3200 hp, and I have average damage still, but since I am trying to get the STR needed to wear the 110 crimson bow, ill be skipping one lvl, and adding 5 str (110 atm with 8 str cape currently on brawler) where as most normal builds will have about 2800 to 2900 hp at 111.

Most notable equips that help compensate for the DEX loss:

8/3 STR PAC
14 DEX Shoes
2/5 STR/DEX 9 Att Glove
and my sexy 110 Att Dark Nisrock :glitter:

[Dusk]

HP equips that are worth your time:

Earrings. This is easy. Dex earrings are expensive and only add a little to your damage.

Cape. This is sacrificing 2-3 attack and a few dex, typically, but if you can pull over 100 HP out of this, it may be worth the sacrifice.

Bosshunter Greaves and Overall. Both 100 HP, and great stats. Greaves are not as good as Facestompers, but 100 HP without hurting your damage hardly at all is worth it. The overall is just simply amazing. No damage sacrificed.

[Harrisonized]

http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showpost.php?p=9121609&postcount=7
Sorry I typed it out for this guy but not for you^

So yea, using that, you can easily pull off 900ish HP, and with bosshunter greaves, 1K HP. :f6:

[Lifis]

I have pretty much every kind of HP equip there is for my marksman. Back when horntail was just released, I had to wear most of it to be able to survive the first part, so it's not like it's unheard of. ;x

I still have to wear a bit of HP equip for right side pianus and horntail (HP nose + HP earrings is what I usually equip for these - you don't lose a huge amount of damage by swapping face accessory/earrings.)

[cooldog67]

the only items i can see being hp'd up is Silver pendant, boss hunter greaves/overall face accesory, i dont think its any use for a bowman using that much unless youre HTing at ~130/140 (You wont be doing much any damage anyways just SE for atkers)

[Itay]

I'm 140 and I've been HTing around 4-5 times without a problem, I am half blood builded (11 washed 40 unwashed) And I don't have problems with damage.. not like those points really matter to us, sadly, we're just SE slaves. just blood build.. I dont regret it at all. using cheeses at pap = much more faster than using pop after every hit.

[KurtVonnegut]

I'm 140 and I've been HTing around 4-5 times without a problem, I am half blood builded (11 washed 40 unwashed) And I don't have problems with damage.. not like those points really matter to us, sadly, we're just SE slaves. just blood build.. I dont regret it at all. using cheeses at pap = much more faster than using pop after every hit.

I have raised 10 ap on hp for the last 2 lvls. I think i'm gonna raise it for the next 4~5 lvls so that i can solo pap without getting killed by bombs. I don't regret being bloodmaster. It is probably one of the best thing i did. XD

[RoyalCatManDo]

I have raised 10 ap on hp for the last 2 lvls. I think i'm gonna raise it for the next 4~5 lvls so that i can solo pap without getting killed by bombs. I don't regret being bloodmaster. It is probably one of the best thing i did. XD

Same here.

5 levels should be enough though, Paul.

Right now when I solo Pap, I use my 105 HP Earrings (Border-line without them, should be able to use my regular ones in a couple of levels) and 100 HP Deputy Star. That brings me up to 3957 HP, which is enough for bombs.

I started at level 126, no regrets at all. Manon, Griffey, Papulatus, Left Pianus, few are those who could solo those at my level with my damage.

[Cyanne]

I looked into the blood build thing, and it seemed to make sense =] Thanks for all your suggestions!