Dash or Flash fist

[Koriz]

Guys I reached level 20 with my brawler to be, sommersalute in max, there are some points in dash flash fist and bullet time. Now I'm in a dilemma; What should I max? I know that bullet time should be maxed, so the choice is between Flash fist and Dash. One friend of mine says that I should pick Dash since flash fist is useless once you're past 4x or so, and the other says that I should max Flash Fist since Dash isn't used much in 2nd job and on. What should I pick?
Thanks in advance, Roy.

[LordWrath]

When your level 30 here is what your SP should look like:

Bullet Time: 20 max
Flash Fist: 20 max
Somersault Kick: 20 max
Double Shot: 1 point
Dash: 0

Seriously Dash is bad for Brawlers even a lot of Gunslingers hate that they have it as it goes off when they don't want it to and its pretty much only useful for getting around town.

Flash Fist is a great skill. Very strong and very quick. Somersault kick is not good or fast for single target enemies. You don't always have mobs in front of you. Plus you wont be getting any new attacking skills till the late 40s.

[DrRusty]

When your level 30 here is what your SP should look like:

Bullet Time: 20 max
Flash Fist: 20 max
Somersault Kick: 20 max
Double Shot: 1 point
Dash: 0

Seriously Dash is bad for Brawlers even a lot of Gunslingers hate that they have it as it goes off when they don't want it to and its pretty much only useful for getting around town.

Flash Fist is a great skill. Very strong and very quick. Somersault kick is not good or fast for single target enemies. You don't always have mobs in front of you. Plus you wont be getting any new attacking skills till the late 40s.


actually, when you get lvl 1 screw punch, you'll almost always have a nice mob in front of u.

[FallenMemory]

Roy, I listened to Teck and just maxed Dash. I havn't been training with FF and I like the extra speed. Lvl 11 is fine until I get Double upper at least for me. And its not like flash jump where you'll be lunged into a boss, It's just a speed and jump boost.

[Sn1perJohnE]

Dash is awesome, i use it all the time, even in second job, its very useful and i havnt had it activate when i dont want it to, and im a brawler.

[Link]

I posted this on a thread EXACTLY like this on sleepywood, so I'll just repost it.


I've been getting a lot of people asking me about maxing Dash instead of Flash Fists lately because they think Flash Fist is out weighed to by 2nd job mobbing skills. The answer is NO! You do NOT want not max Flash Fist. You will use ALL (EVERY SINGLE) attacking skill until you reach 120. Yeah, it's a lot, but you'll NEED to use all of your skills as effectively as you can until you reach 120.


I thought, too, that Straight was useless until I hit 80. Then when I started using it, my damage per minute and my experience per minute sky-rocketed. It matters in the later levels more than anything. If you don't max it, it's wortless, meaning you'll level slower than the rest.


Did I explain it enough there? If you want to see it in action, I can do a live broadcast on my Viper to show you how it works in third job.



EDIT : If you don't max it, you'll be training like I did in this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnbcxbedy_w (which is not fun)

[Milelke]

Im confused, do you max dash or flash fist?

[NoWaizMatt]

Definitely max Flash Fist. No Dash. Dash screws up when you want to use backspin. Flash Fist is very strong, and I find myself using it all the time in CPQ.

[Koriz]

Okay then, I'm going to max flash fist. Thank you guys!

[DrRusty]

i have flash fist and I use it ALOT. Even when I maxed out double upper I still used it. Double upper has like a 2 second cooldown after you use it, so you can't sit and spam it. Flash fist is good for the in between time.

Since I just got to lvl 70, i'm not sure useful it is in 3rd job. I'll update again after I get in some training time.

[psychopat]

I plan on maxing both, letting Oak Barrel and MP recovery stay at level 1. Until then, Dash stays at 1 :)

[FinalHeart]

Flash Fist. Level 1 Dash is enough.

[Blankout]

Flash Fist. Level 1 Dash is enough.

Actually, level 1 Dash to me is worse than having no Dash at all. I accidentally activate Dash often during training, and I find it annoying to waste 14 MP just because I tapped the arrow key twice.

[JezzaRules]

Bullet Time always comes first even if you're brawler coz you need that accuracy quite badly coz you'll be missing fairly often on certain mobs. Next, Flash fist acts like a powerful version of a Power strike thus it's needed for soloing mobs until you get double uppercut. Seriously, dash is not needed for Brawler coz it's only usefullness lies in travelling.

[MysticHLE]

Dash > Flash Fist. I used a spear throughout first job because Sommersault Kick damage formula is based solely on stabs. I do more damage with my Sommersault Kicks to a mob of 6 than knuckle users with Flash Fist. xD I only got 1 Flash Fist because the job advancement requires that the Octopuses be killed by Flash Fist.

[FallenMemory]

Dash > Flash Fist. I used a spear throughout first job because Sommersault Kick damage formula is based solely on stabs. I do more damage with my Sommersault Kicks to a mob of 6 than knuckle users with Flash Fist. xD I only got 1 Flash Fist because the job advancement requires that the Octopuses be killed by Flash Fist.

You should have 11 FF when at level thirty even if you maxed Dash.

I maxed dash, as I did the same thing he did. I lvled with a high wep atk spear and somersault kick. I realize I might need it later on and I'm debating weather to sacrifice some mp recovery to finish maxing flash fist. Any insight into weather I should do this?

[0mgP1r4tes]

Roy, I listened to Teck and just maxed Dash. I havn't been training with FF and I like the extra speed. Lvl 11 is fine until I get Double upper at least for me. And its not like flash jump where you'll be lunged into a boss, It's just a speed and jump boost.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/seraphsephirot/picard-facepalm.jpg

Seriously.... not maxing Flash Fists? Relying on Double Upper? -facepalm-

[FallenMemory]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/seraphsephirot/picard-facepalm.jpg

Seriously.... not maxing Flash Fists? Relying on Double Upper? -facepalm-

Lol, yea I kinda realized Ima need Flash Fists later so I'm not sure what to do now. If I have the NX later On I might reset the 9 points, but if I don't I guess I'll sacrifice MP recovery for maxing FF later. I think that's the best i can do with my predicament.

[Sivrat]

Lol, yea I kinda realized Ima need Flash Fists later so I'm not sure what to do now. If I have the NX later On I might reset the 9 points, but if I don't I guess I'll sacrifice MP recovery for maxing FF later. I think that's the best i can do with my predicament.
Or you could just do what i was thinking of doing, and using points from MP recovery. To me, spending extra money on MP pots is better then buying resets. And i had been thinking of sacing MP recovery for Dash, but i ended up oping for the no dash build.

[DrRusty]

Or you could just do what i was thinking of doing, and using points from MP recovery. To me, spending extra money on MP pots is better then buying resets. And i had been thinking of sacing MP recovery for Dash, but i ended up oping for the no dash build.

MP recovery is 100% useless in GMS, since our HP pots and MP pots both have a 1mesos/1point ratio. It's a waste of 10 point to be honest. I would put those points into oak barrel instead of mp recovery.

[psychopat]

MP recovery is 100% useless in GMS, since our HP pots and MP pots both have a 1mesos/1point ratio. It's a waste of 10 point to be honest. I would put those points into oak barrel instead of mp recovery.Yes and no... When you have enough HP to use % based potions instead of 1:1 type potions, you do save a little money. I still don't think it's worth the 10 points nor the effort to use it though.

[Colyo]

1:1 ratio or not, whos adverse to saving a little money? Especially people who arent funded?

[VladTheLvr]

1:1 ratio or not, whos adverse to saving a little money? Especially people who arent funded?

I thought the skill only converts HP into MP, not add into it 0.0 with a 1:1 ration you are talking about taking 50 HP and converting it into 50 MP which is like converting 50 meso into 50 meso. More like a waste of SP it seems.

[FallenMemory]

So noone is can provide any reason not to max my flash fist with my MP recovery points, because I already maxed dash to start with?

[modular]

I thought the skill only converts HP into MP, not add into it 0.0 with a 1:1 ration you are talking about taking 50 HP and converting it into 50 MP which is like converting 50 meso into 50 meso. More like a waste of SP it seems.
i suck at reading.

[TLeviathan]

an infighter lvl70 probably has like 4k hp. 10% of that is 400. you would have probably 1.5k mana. turning 400 hp into 1.5k mp cuts into about 1/4 the pot cost of refilling your mp, assuming 1:1 meso:points of hp/mp (like barb and sorc elix). ~1 barb elix would be about ~4 sorc elix. it gets better once its worth it to use honsters. you would get to the point where 1 honster = ~6 ice cream sundaes, once you have 2k mp and use honsters.

is it worth it to quarter (even decimate, but later) your mp pot costs?
some mages say no and skip mp eater.
some heroes say no and go hybrid.
some paladins say no and also hybridize.
most assassins say yes and get drain.

only drain is really comparable, in terms of saved pots.

The skill desc. says "Recover 100% of lost HP as MP." You're not going to get more than a 1:1 ratio unless the skill desc. is wrong.

[psychopat]

I'm not a proponent of MP Recovery, but you *can* get more than 1:1 ratio when you use %-based potions.

For example:

Say you have 7000 hp and use a Honster (60%), which costs 2800. You just healed 4200 hp for 2800 meso, which you can then convert into 4200 mana if you use MP Recovery enough times. Same thing for pizzas, 900hp & 600mana for 1000.

Personally, I'd just also carry a stack of ginsengs or whatever other potion rather than wasting 10 points into MP recovery.

[darthmars]

flash is REALLY fuckin usless

i woudint recommend it to any one

so flash fist

[darthmars]

dash is REALLY pineapplein usless

i woudint recommend it to any one

so flash fist

dash not flash

[0wn3d4life]

:cool: i put 1 on dash maxed out flash fist and sumersault(or w/e its called) i=there is really no need for double shot IMO >_>

[LuiPoo]

I did one level on dash i use it a lot and I like it after being a night lord for so long being a bit faster is nice.

Since it's only one point I can always go back and MTS me enough to reset that point if i see it's too much of pain later in levels