Magician Casting Speeds

[JoeTang]

Format:
0 Booster / 1~10 Booster / 11+ Booster
In Casts Per Minute

Magician

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/656/skill2001004iconmouseovum5.png Energy Bolt - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9633/skill2001005iconmouseovzm4.png Magic Claw - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8809/skill2321001iconmouseovbd8.png Big Bang (Uncharged) - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8809/skill2321001iconmouseovbd8.png Big Bang (Fully Charged) - 19 / 21 / 22

Bishop

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3641/skill2301002iconmouseovdu3.png Heal - 100
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1923/skill2301005iconmouseovgi6.png Holy Arrow - 76
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7782/skill2311004iconmouseovdf7.png Shining Ray - 60
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2220/skill2321007iconmouseovhe1.png Angel's Ray - 76
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5363/skill2321008iconmouseovdh0.png Genesis - 23

Arch Mage (Fire/Poison)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2726/skill2101004iconmouseovxy9.png Fire Arrow - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5/skill2101005iconmouseovbt6.png Poison Breath - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Slow (8) Staff) - 32 / 34 / 36
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Normal (6) Staff) - 33 / ?? / 37
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (5) Staff) - ?? / ?? / ??
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (4) Staff) - 36 / 38 / 42
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Normal (6) Wand) - 36 / 36 / 40
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (5) Wand) - ?? / ?? / ??
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (4) Wand) - ?? / ?? / ??
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (5) 1-Handed Sword) - 34 / ?? / 38
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8027/skill2111002iconmouseovup9.png Explosion (Fast (4) 1-Handed Sword) - 35 / ?? / 38
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2917/skill2111003iconmouseovyy0.png Poison Mist - 42 / 44 / 48
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8989/skill2111006iconmouseovtm4.png Element Composition - 68 / 70 / 74
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9065/skill2121003iconmouseovra1.png Fire Demon - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8466/skill2121006iconmouseovov5.png Paralyze - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4482/skill2121007iconmouseovqd0.png Meteor Shower - 19 / 20 / 21

Arch Mage (Ice/Lightning)

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7329/skill2201004iconmouseovaj0.png Cold Beam - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4623/skill2201005iconmouseovde2.png Thunderbolt - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9128/skill2211002iconmouseovrn6.png Ice Strike - 60 / 64 / 66
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/886/skill2211003iconmouseovjd9.png Thunder Spear - 46 / 50 / 54
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/332/skill2211006iconmouseovir3.png Element Composition - 68 / 70 / 74
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3320/skill2221003iconmouseovor4.png Ice Demon - 76 / 80 / 84
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5782/skill2221006iconmouseoveb5.png Chain Lightning - 76 / 80 / 88
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3424/skill2221007iconmouseovfn3.png Blizzard - 19 / 20 / 21


Special 'thank you' to Lugin for finding me the Evil Wings to do the Explosion tests.
Thanks to SoullessFire for doing the Explosion testing with the Normal (6) Staff.
Thanks to Stereo for some frame-based analysis on Explosion's casting speed.

Missing Information:
Explosion Casting Speed
Fast (5) Staff - Pyogo Mushroom
Fast (5) Wand - Streetlight
Fast (4) Wand - Hinomaru Fan
Supportive Skill Casting Speeds

[Saver]

Would be nice to mention what each number means.

XX / XX / XX.....are those casts per minute?

[doctorx]

Would be nice to mention what each number means.

XX / XX / XX.....are those casts per minute?

I'm assuming they mean casts per minute. Very good guide. Thanks.

[Harrisonized]

Copied over from SW? Those explosion numbers still look kinda funny...

[GW2000]

Yeah it would look nicer to show what the numbers mean, just so its less confusing. I like the skill icons. They are pretty.

[JoeTang]

I thought it'd be obvious that it was casts per minute. That, and I thought I had it written somewhere already, but I guess I deleted that part.

Explosion is just a funny skill.

[LoneChaos]

Weird, I always assumed fire arrow was a lot slower than cold beam

[gucci]

I would assume paralyze and CL at 11 booster would be the same? strange that paralyze is 76/80/84 & CL is 76/80/88

[Hazzy]

Yes! I love this thread. <3
Might I ask where you got the information? It'd be great to compile a list like this of each job. <3

[JoshKun]

buahahahahaha
this finally proves to all my bishop frends that i (an i/l arch mage) DONT cast faster than them EVEN WITH BOOSTER MAXED T_T :f3:

nice informative thread~~~

Josh

[Harrisonized]

Yes! I love this thread. <3
Might I ask where you got the information? It'd be great to compile a list like this of each job. <3
He got it from Tespia, while it was still open.

[Secks]

Thanks a lot man ! :f2:

[Cardboardsnail]

Ooohh. Chain lightning is fast.

[butterfλi]

I've done a few tests for chain lightning and I've never gotten a number as high as 88. My numbers ranges around 82-86 casts per minute. So obviously, there's some outside factors here like starting/ending timer, starting/ending the cast animation etc. Maybe you should rename this thread to include "approximate" (not that's I'm saying this thread is bad; I'm just trying to be accurate for the public).

[Retalion]

A few things here that stand out...

1. Why is explosion the only one that was tested with different speeded staves?
2. Genesis casts 23 times/minute, 2 more times than Meteor WITH 11 booster... is that actually right or is that another sign that Gene is overpowering the other two skills? >_>
3. If this was done on Tespia, then skill glitching was out, meaning you could test if booster works with bishop skills? I'd be curious to see that, lols.

Overall, a nice, neat organized guide (though I'd say color coding would be easier to see than normal, italics, bold) and even though Im no mage, I found it intersting to look at.

[butterfλi]

2. Genesis casts 23 times/minute, 2 more times than Meteor WITH 11 booster... is that actually right or is that another sign that Gene is overpowering the other two skills? >_>
3. If this was done on Tespia, then skill glitching was out, meaning you could test if booster works with bishop skills? I'd be curious to see that, lols.


It's been pointed out for a while by supp3rgirl (in gMS) that gen is the fastest of the 3 ultimates even without booster.

And lol at #3

[Kevvl]

A few things here that stand out...

1. Why is explosion the only one that was tested with different speeded staves?
2. Genesis casts 23 times/minute, 2 more times than Meteor WITH 11 booster... is that actually right or is that another sign that Gene is overpowering the other two skills? >_>


1) Funfact: Explosion is the only spell affected by Wand/Saff speeds.
2) Factoring in Elemental Amplification, and using those speeds, the total M-Attack per minute is almost the same =P

[butterfλi]

2) Factoring in Elemental Amplification, and using those speeds, the total M-Attack per minute is almost the same =P

If you're suggesting amp makes meteo/blizz stronger than gen, it's not true. Gen has a high spell base than meteo/blizz.

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4&postcount=3

Gen at level 1 is 430 and meteo/blizz is 330. So gen is AS strong and HALF as cheap. Oh and skeles are weak to holy lol.

[Harrisonized]

If you're suggesting amp makes meteo/blizz stronger than gen, it's not true. Gen has a high spell base than meteo/blizz.

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4&postcount=3

Gen at level 1 is 430 and meteo/blizz is 330. So gen is AS strong and HALF as cheap. Oh and skeles are weak to holy lol.
Pulling numbers:

(Lv 1)
330 x 1.35 x 21 = 9355.5 Meteo/Bliz
430 x 23 = 9890 Gen

(Lv 10)
420 x 1.35 x 21 = 11,907 Meteo/Bliz
520 x 23 = 11960 Gen

(Lv 11)
430 x 1.35 x 21 = 12,190.5 Meteo/Bliz
530 x 23 = 12,190 Gen

(Lv 12)
440 x 1.35 x 21 = 12,474 Meteo/Bliz
540 x 23 = 12,420 Gen

(Max)
570 x 1.35 x 21 = 16,159.5 Meteo/Bliz
670 x 23 = 15410 Gen

Sorry, Genesis only wins until Lv 10 in terms of DPS. But then again, DPS for high damage skills can't really be considered unless you're spamming. (And always hitting the same number of targets.)
Maybe when we get pink bean, we can see mages outdamaging bishops on the 5 statues.

To Jackk: Explosion is affected by casting speed. It's a widely known fact that it is the only mage spell affected by this. I wish Nexon made Meteo and Blizzard this way as well. After all, they're both two part skills just like Explosion. D:

[Russt]

Then you consider that Meteo/Blizz is only about 5% stronger than Gene and costs 100% more MP.

I think the balancing is a little off, especially since as of now there are too many high end Holy-weak monsters.

[Beloved]

I thought it'd be obvious that it was casts per minute. That, and I thought I had it written somewhere already, but I guess I deleted that part.

Explosion is just a funny skill.

Why yes, it is.


I remember when I used to play my fp mage, it was quite amusing watching myself cast it and then it finally exploding after monsters ran away, out of range. lol

As for the tespia idea.. I think it'd be an interesting experiment if I manage to get into tespia again. Shame I'm a little too lazy to figure out how the glitch works and how to go about to compare the skills via fraps (its the video editing work that im not too familiar with). lol

[JoeTang]

1. Why is explosion the only one that was tested with different speeded staves?

About six other skills were tested with different weapon speeds before I said "Fuck this shit, I'm going to bed".
Well, in all seriousness, I tested Magic Claw, Fire Arrow, Poison Brace, Thunderbolt, Cold Beam, Ice Strike, Poison Mist, and Paralyze before I stopped.


2. Genesis casts 23 times/minute, 2 more times than Meteor WITH 11 booster... is that actually right or is that another sign that Gene is overpowering the other two skills? >_>
This is actually right and it is another sign that Genesis is overpowering the other two skills.


3. If this was done on Tespia, then skill glitching was out, meaning you could test if booster works with bishop skills? I'd be curious to see that, lols.
I didn't test Bishop skills with Magic Booster because it has no relevance in the real world. I don't care if a Bishop can Angel Ray at 84 Casts per Minute with 11+ Booster because they can't.

[Harrisonized]

I didn't test Bishop skills with Magic Booster because it has no relevance in the real world. I don't care if a Bishop can Angel Ray at 84 Casts per Minute with 11+ Booster because they can't.
Can you do it the next tespia round? I'm curious as to how their skills will be improved in speed.

[butterfλi]

Can you do it the next tespia round? I'm curious as to how their skills will be improved in speed.

The skill glitch gets patched every round. When I was accepted into Tespia, I looked up the glitch on youtube and that way didn't work. Some old Tespian say it didn't work either. But some people were able to do it. I eventually figured it out and it was different than before.

I wouldn't be so surprised if they patch it completely one of these rounds.

[JoeTang]

There's still plenty of time to cast Magic Booster 20 and switch into a Bishop though. I'd rather not waste that much time testing irrelavent information though.

[Kevvl]

About six other skills were tested with different weapon speeds before I said "Fuck this shit, I'm going to bed".
Well, in all seriousness, I tested Magic Claw, Fire Arrow, Poison Brace, Thunderbolt, Cold Beam, Ice Strike, Poison Mist, and Paralyze before I stopped.

Actually, you didn't exactly get tired, I remember it more like this:

You: *some random gibber that implies you're testing cast speeds*
Me: Hey, are you testing Explosion with different speed weapons?
You: I'm doing that for all skills
Me: Only Explosion is affected by weapon speed
You: ...
Me: :f2:


Paraphrased, but it made me laugh when that happened :excellent:

(Although I could be getting it all wrong, I forget)

[JoeTang]

I remember you telling me only Explosion was, and I went in there knowing that it definitely was, I just wanted to double check the other skills. I recall testing a few while talking with you and saying something along the lines of "****, they're all the same. Screw this."

Lol. Sig heights were cropped. Now you can't see the BrickMaster title in your sig.

[Kevvl]

Crap. I gotta cut the top off...

[Sushii]

That's interesting! thanks for the info

[Dusk]

Hmm, given that other classes have their attack speeds set in terms of frames it takes to cast, and that those numbers are more exact, I think it'd be nice to put how much time each skill takes to cast rather than how many casts per minute.

[butterfλi]

Hmm, given that other classes have their attack speeds set in terms of frames it takes to cast, and that those numbers are more exact, I think it'd be nice to put how much time each skill takes to cast rather than how many casts per minute.

Just divide every number there by 60 and you'll have the exact second of how long each skill takes to cast o_O

[Russt]

60/number

But it's better if it was initially measured that way.

[Dusk]

Just divide every number there by 60 and you'll have the exact second of how long each skill takes to cast o_O

^What he said, but then you end up with a lot of weird decimals.

[Silence]

Questions: is it true that a fast wand/staff affects the cast speed of ultimates?

[JoeTang]

No. Read the first post.

[Silence]

No. Read the first post.

umm.. thanks for ur answer ...

just confused.. cuz i only saw the test with explosion not ultimates... with different staves/wand...

[Nikkey]

^What he said, but then you end up with a lot of weird decimals.

Do it in frames. My numbers from warrior skills are quotients of a number divided by 60 (so x/60), which seems to be the closest (and exact in some events) to any skillspeed and/or weapon speed.

[Stereo]

I wish I could FRAPS at 60fps, my computer struggles to give me 40 :/ I guess next best is 30 fps but it wouldn't be perfectly accurate. I'll try to capture some of Explosion later when I get more disk space.


EDIT: (normal 6 - Nocturnal staff)
Explosion, no booster - 55 frames per cast (110/60 s = 110/60)
Explosion, 11 booster - 49 frames per cast (98/60 s, may be 99/60)

(fast 5 - Yellow Umbrella)
Explosion, no booster - 53 frames per cast (106/60 s)
explosion, 11 booster - 47.5 frames per cast (95/60 s) - it alternated 47 48 repeatedly, I think it's between

(fast 4 - Sword)
Explosion, no booster - 51 frames per cast (102/60 s)
Explosion, 11 booster - 46 frames per cast (94/60 s) - this is done by a glitch though, using Magic Booster with 1h swords normally not possible.


Both these Staff numbers are ~1 cast per minute less than you have (32.7 and 36.7, you have 34 and 38), I may not actually be recording in realtime but usually the video would be sped up by that rather than slowed down.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

I'm going to assume he only did Explosion (casting speeds, in regarding to the OP, not you, Stereo) because it had the most impact as far as weapon-speed goes? I've heard from a lot of people that weapon-speed won't affect most spells, like Heal, etc. But I'm going to assume it affects Magic Claws, Bolt, and maybe Holy Arrow and SR? >_> I'd actually like to see a comparison with a Hinomaru vs other wands in terms of that. D:

[Stereo]

Using those same weapons (Nocturnal Staff = 6, Umbrella = 5, Sword = 4) I could see absolutely no difference in Fire Arrow casting speed.

Nocturnal Staff - 50/60 s per cast
Yellow Umbrella - 50/60 s per cast
Sword - 50/60 s per cast (all without booster)

I checked all of them over 10 casts and they came out to exactly 500/60 seconds in every case.

edit: That's 72 per minute and you have 76, I will test some other skills you have marked at 76 but I think Fire Arrow is slower than other magic attacks.

[JoeTang]

I'm going to assume he only did Explosion (casting speeds, in regarding to the OP, not you, Stereo) because it had the most impact as far as weapon-speed goes? I've heard from a lot of people that weapon-speed won't affect most spells, like Heal, etc. But I'm going to assume it affects Magic Claws, Bolt, and maybe Holy Arrow and SR? >_> I'd actually like to see a comparison with a Hinomaru vs other wands in terms of that. D:

http://www.southperry.net/forums/showpost.php?p=21057&postcount=22


I wish I could FRAPS at 60fps, my computer struggles to give me 40 :/ I guess next best is 30 fps but it wouldn't be perfectly accurate. I'll try to capture some of Explosion later when I get more disk space.


EDIT: (normal 6 - Nocturnal staff)
Explosion, no booster - 55 frames per cast (110/60 s = 110/60)
Explosion, 11 booster - 49 frames per cast (98/60 s, may be 99/60)

(fast 5 - Yellow Umbrella)
Explosion, no booster - 53 frames per cast (106/60 s)
explosion, 11 booster - 47.5 frames per cast (95/60 s) - it alternated 47 48 repeatedly, I think it's between

(fast 4 - Sword)
Explosion, no booster - 51 frames per cast (102/60 s)
Explosion, 11 booster - 46 frames per cast (94/60 s) - this is done by a glitch though, using Magic Booster with 1h swords normally not possible.


Both these Staff numbers are ~1 cast per minute less than you have (32.7 and 36.7, you have 34 and 38), I may not actually be recording in realtime but usually the video would be sped up by that rather than slowed down.

I didn't do the test myself for the Normal (6) Staff. It was reported by a friend of mine. I'll update it with your results though.

How did you glitch Booster with a Sword? Or is that like something off of a Private Server? Because I know that you can take a Wand, Booster, and then put a Sword on and Booster will remain active. But in GMS, it won't work.

[Nikkey]

How did you glitch Booster with a Sword? Or is that like something off of a Private Server? Because I know that you can take a Wand, Booster, and then put a Sword on and Booster will remain active. But in GMS, it won't work.

You don't need to any glitch to get a 1-h sword with 4 in wspeed (http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Weapon/01302000.img/index.html)

Another example is this (http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Weapon/01402013.img/index.html).

[JoeTang]

You don't need to any glitch to get a 1-h sword with 4 in wspeed (http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Weapon/01302000.img/index.html)

Another example is this (http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Weapon/01402013.img/index.html).

Magic Booster + 1H Sword = Glitch.

[Harrisonized]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4482/skill2121007iconmouseovqd0.png Meteor Shower - 19 / 20 / 21
Last level, I added 1 to infinity, just for my macro. Level 1 infinity gives 11 sec of pure mana. However, I was able to get 5 full casts in these 11 seconds. It's EXACTLY 5 full casts (the meteo hits the monster) as the skill icon on the top right of the screen disappears. I've even gotten lucky this one time and got 6 casts in, the 6th one casting JUST as the skill icon disappeared.

So apparently, the cast time of Meteo is 2.25 sec per cast. This seems unlikely though. It's widely accepted that Genesis has a 2.28 sec cast time, and that Genesis is faster than Meteo. Also, according to your data, Meteo has a 2.86 sec cast time.

If Meteo has a 2.86 sec cast time, then my infinity lasted 14.5 seconds, and not 11, which is also contradictory... IDK if its just that my computer's glitched up or what, but somehow, the numbers don't match, and I know what I saw.

Someone please test this.

[Russt]

Isn't there a slight half-second-ish that's used up in the Infinity animation before you can start Meteoing? Or does the effect not start until it's over?

[JoeTang]

There's a cast delay after using Infinity which counts as active time before you can start casting.

Yes, someone else please test this. Preferably with videos. For all I know, the values for Meteo's speed could have changed since I tested them. All I know is that Genesis was noticeably faster, and I couldn't get more than 6 casts in 15 seconds (sixth would be beginning or mid-animation on the 15th second) whereas 6 were almost completely finished for Genesis. For the record, I tested the full minutes using Power Elixers in the middle of animations, and I tested several times. My mana pool was approximately 16k, and I used level 1 Genesis/Meteo/Blizzard, with only level 3 Elemental Amplification for Meteo and Blizzard.