Putting around 5 levels worth of APs into HP for the next 5 levels w/o HP-washing?

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Out of curiosity, would this be advisable without HP-washing? I've done a pomegranate-load of HP-washing since ...7X or so, I can't recall how much I spent. But at this point, I no longer feel compelled to spend near 3 dollars per AP resets... >_> As far as I can see, the benefits of HP-washing = Higher HP to HornTail, and that's it. I think the minimum was something like 4.5k (w/o HB) for NLs? Or was it 5k? But I'm only planning to put 5 levels worth of APs into HP from 121-126. If I still don't have near 4k by then, I'll probably do another 5 levels, and so on and so on. I couldn't care less about attack/damage at this point than HP. So if you didn't want to spend NX on HP-washing, would you just dump APs directly into AP?

I'm asking only the Thieves community this, since they know the formula for attack for Thieves very well. I honestly don't think I'll lose too many attack points for 5-10 levels either. Even though that's 25-50 LUK APs.

EDIT: If it matters, here are my stats:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/KGM/Kasuhitomi_stats_120.jpg

[MoxJr]

I couldn't care less about attack/damage at this point than HP.

You just answered your own question.

If HP is more important to you than damage and you don't have the NX to spend, then go for it.

[Gonzy]

Yeah, if all you care about is getting your hp up enough to ht, then start dumping ap into hp, also a few shouldn't make you very much weaker if its just a few levels, but remember that for every 8-11 or so luk ( depending on some other factors ) does equal about one watk so if you're worried about that think of it that way.

[Ian]

I would personnally scroll HP equips opposed to that, but if you really dont care about damage, and you really do care about hp, I guess that works.

[Kranzorbaken]

go full hpLord build be cool HP FTW

[Devil]

The problem with Blood NL's is that NL's are only wanted for their damage at HT... If their damage sux, you're not usefull as a NL. Blood washing brings your damage down, so it will make you not-so-wanted at HT. But I guess when you just want to HT with friends, it's ok... ;)

For Blood Shadowers (like me) it's different, we're wanted for survival, so blood washing -does- make us more usefull...

And well, Blood washing only becomes noticable usefull when you CAN survive the monster you want to survive... You need to be able to take 8000 damage (5000HP without HB) at HT. That means you need to get 1500 more HP. 10 levels of blood washing will get you 900 more HP (50*18), so at level 130, you're still not there... And HP equips will make you even more weak in damage, so you still need to keep on blood washing beyond lvl 130...

So I would say you can have 5300 HP at lvl 140, with 100 less luk... Well it's your choice... Blood wash as a NL so you can survive horntail at lvl 140+, or train to lvl 190+ and normal HP wash it... But yeah, that second option CAN take a while... ;)

But those 5 lvls you talked about won't help you a lot... that's only 450 more HP... Meaning you're stilll 1050 HP short... :)

[Kawasari Mimoto]

The problem with Blood NL's is that NL's are only wanted for their damage at HT... If their damage sux, you're not usefull as a NL. Blood washing brings your damage down, so it will make you not-so-wanted at HT. But I guess when you just want to HT with friends, it's ok... ;)

For Blood Shadowers (like me) it's different, we're wanted for survival, so blood washing -does- make us more usefull...

And well, Blood washing only becomes noticable usefull when you CAN survive the monster you want to survive... You need to be able to take 8000 damage (5000HP without HB) at HT. That means you need to get 1500 more HP. 10 levels of blood washing will get you 900 more HP (50*18), so at level 130, you're still not there... And HP equips will make you even more weak in damage, so you still need to keep on blood washing beyond lvl 130...

So I would say you can have 5300 HP at lvl 140, with 100 less luk... Well it's your choice... Blood wash as a NL so you can survive horntail at lvl 140+, or train to lvl 190+ and normal HP wash it... But yeah, that second option CAN take a while... ;)

But those 5 lvls you talked about won't help you a lot... that's only 450 more HP... Meaning you're stilll 1050 HP short... :)

Dumping 10-levels worth of APs directly into HP it is, then. So be it.. I realize it's still not enough, but it's incredibly close. We'll see how it goes after 130. xD

[Takebacker]

The problem with Blood NL's is that NL's are only wanted for their damage at HT... If their damage sux, you're not usefull as a NL. Blood washing brings your damage down, so it will make you not-so-wanted at HT. But I guess when you just want to HT with friends, it's ok... ;)

For Blood Shadowers (like me) it's different, we're wanted for survival, so blood washing -does- make us more usefull...

And well, Blood washing only becomes noticable usefull when you CAN survive the monster you want to survive... You need to be able to take 8000 damage (5000HP without HB) at HT. That means you need to get 1500 more HP. 10 levels of blood washing will get you 900 more HP (50*18), so at level 130, you're still not there... And HP equips will make you even more weak in damage, so you still need to keep on blood washing beyond lvl 130...

So I would say you can have 5300 HP at lvl 140, with 100 less luk... Well it's your choice... Blood wash as a NL so you can survive horntail at lvl 140+, or train to lvl 190+ and normal HP wash it... But yeah, that second option CAN take a while... ;)

But those 5 lvls you talked about won't help you a lot... that's only 450 more HP... Meaning you're stilll 1050 HP short... :)

The funny thing about blood builds is that it sacrifices (or makes the advantage less of an advantage) the avoidability of a shadower. 100 more luck is a lot of avoid. o_o

[Devil]

The funny thing about blood builds is that it sacrifices (or makes the advantage less of an advantage) the avoidability of a shadower. 100 more luck is a lot of avoid. o_oThat's only partially true. Avoiding monsters is (at 300+ avoid) mainly based at level difference.

I can even go into snail transform in HHG for 10 minutes without getting hit, while at bosses, your avoid is a lot lower then normally (60%-ish, excluding shadow shifter). I once tried that 100 avoid potion there is (friend gave me one), and it hardly affected my avoid at bosses.

For bosses, Max Shadow Shifter (40% for Shadowers) and 300+ avoid will result in about 70~80% misses at level 140, this gets pumped to about 90% at level 200 (tested on pserver), and only at level 350 (you gotta love pservers) the misses were about 95% of the time (Horntail).

Also, I only blood washed 10 levels, that's 50 less luk = 25 less avoid. And since I'm wearing a +15 avoid cape instead of a Pink Adv. Cape, the difference is only 10 avoid... You really don't notice 10 avoid more or less... :)

Avoiding a monster is mainly based on level when you reach a certain avoid number (300 avoid).

[kakashi9093]

As ppl said before, if you dont care about power then do it =p

[GummyBear]

IMO, if you're going to do that, it's wiser (again IMO) to scroll gears for HP. It's a bit easier when you decided to say "dammit" without NX. I am facing the same problem as you, so I decided to scroll my zhelm with HP instead (I can pretty much get a zhelm any time thanks to my uber zleader) as well as other stuffs.

[Kevvl]

A Bloodlord? That's a first. Go for it ^_^

[GenesisPro]

I hope your going to be lvling up with int gears at least :o

[dowadowa]

This could be real interesting. OP, can you keep us all updated on how it goes? a Blood Lord would be something sweet if it works out.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

This could be real interesting. OP, can you keep us all updated on how it goes? a Blood Lord would be something sweet if it works out.

Sure thing, project "Kasu Bloodlord" commences as soon as I start actively grinding again. I wouldn't mind posting screenies of my stats.

[butterfλi]

As an alternetive, you can wear hp top(100)/bottom(100)/gloves(100)/deputy star(100)/cape(50). You can easily pull out 450 hp from all that.

The average amount of hp gained per level up is 22. In 30 levels, (22x30) you'll gain 660 hp. With an extra 450, and your base hp now that's a total of 4613 hp by level 150.

Since you wear an atk cape and atk glove, you're using what? a 4 atk cape, 14atk glove? That's gonna be 18 watk loss which is much more than 10 levels of bloodwashing.

But the upside is that even though you lose more damage at HT, you won't lose out on damage training since you can wear your regular equip while training. With your build, you're losing both damage for HT and damage for training.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

As an alternetive, you can wear hp top(100)/bottom(100)/gloves(100)/deputy star(100)/cape(50). You can easily pull out 450 hp from all that.

The average amount of hp gained per level up is 22. In 30 levels, (22x30) you'll gain 660 hp. With an extra 450, and your base hp now that's a total of 4613 hp by level 150.

Since you wear an atk cape and atk glove, you're using what? a 4 atk cape, 14atk glove? That's gonna be 18 watk loss which is much more than 10 levels of bloodwashing.

But the upside is that even though you lose more damage at HT, you won't lose out on damage training since you can wear your regular equip while training. With your build, you're losing both damage for HT and damage for training.

I'm willing to sacrifice that. I don't intend on playing past 150. Nor do I care for damage as I care to .. be able to Horntail and at LEAST get a Pendent+Egg for now. Then I'll worry about damage and attackability later on.

[butterfλi]

If you're gonna end it by 150, what you have is what you have and there's no changing it. If you stop washing now, you're only gonna have 4.1k hp by level 150 and you can't change that if you're not gonna level.

Why not stop playing right now and take time out to market money for mts cash? How much is a 4atk cape in scania? 200mil? Buy one and sell it in the mts and that's a ton of money you can use to continue to hp wash for quite a while since you can still level up now.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

If you're gonna end it by 150, what you have is what you have and there's no changing it. If you stop washing now, you're only gonna have 4.1k hp by level 150 and you can't change that if you're not gonna level.

Why not stop playing right now and take time out to market money for mts cash? How much is a 4atk cape in scania? 200mil? Buy one and sell it in the mts and that's a ton of money you can use to continue to hp wash for quite a while since you can still level up now.

Yeah, doing that would be nice. I could just Gacha a bit, buy a 4 attack cape, and MTS it off, etc. Also, Devil said:


So I would say you can have 5300 HP at lvl 140, with 100 less luk... Well it's your choice... Blood wash as a NL so you can survive horntail at lvl 140+, or train to lvl 190+ and normal HP wash it... But yeah, that second option CAN take a while... ;)

I don't mind not subtracting APs from MP to reset into LUK, I could care less about my damage as of the moment. I was considered semi-godly half a year back though, when I got that 58/8 scarab. -shrugs- I'll find a way, and manage. Even with my current build, it's hard to pull off.. but the fact that it's a challenge is what makes it fun, to me anyways. Especially since I'm planning to quit by 150, and going to try to not wash at all, or wash very little.

[FantaTwist]

It's not so bad, and who knows? Maybe in the future you may come back in your 15x and wash it back out.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

It's not so bad, and who knows? Maybe in the future you may come back in your 15x and wash it back out.

Yeah, it's a possibility. =P Also, I doubt I'd be the first BloodLord, but I am going to expect a lot of people asking why my damage is mediocre once I am near ...14X.

[FantaTwist]

Best of luck with that =D

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Best of luck with that =D

Thanks, I'll need it. ;] :shine: :wink: