MARKSMEN SUCK

[JoeTang]

1. MARKSMEN DON'T HAVE DRAIN ARROW.
2. STRAFE AND ULTIMATE STRAFE DO NOT TRIGGER FINAL ATTACK.
3. CROSSBOW BOOSTER DOES NOT AFFECT PIERCE.
4. CO + PIERCE CRASHES THE GAME
5. DRAGON PULSE CAN'T KNOCKBACK ANYTHING IN KNOCKBACK ANIMATION AND FROSTPREY IS ALWAYS PUTTING THINGS IN KNOCKBACK ANIMATION
6. DRAGON PULSE CRASHES THE GAME IF YOU DO IT TOO FAST
7. ILLUSION STEP DOESN'T GIVE YOU DODGE RATE
8. MARKSMEN DON'T GET ULTIMATE BLIZZARD
9. MARKSMEN DON'T GET HURRICANE
10. ARROW RAIN HAS 60% CHANCE TO STUN. ARROW ERUPTION HAS 60% CHANCE TO SEAL.
11. DAMAGE CAP SHI'TS ON SNIPE

DISCUSS HOW BAD MARKSMEN ARE.

[TugboatWilly]

at least people won't bandwagon my favorite class!

[Locked]

Why didn't you add ultimate blizzard :(

[JoeTang]

Why didn't you add ultimate blizzard :(

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE, NOW THERE'S TWO MORE REASONS WHY THEY SUCK

[Dark Link]

lol @ 4. Why the hell does Nexon keep introducing a CO glitch with other skills EVERY FREAKING PATCH!?

[GreenButler]

You'd think people would play a class because it's fun. Logically, this should be the correct answer, if you ask me.

My sister has a level 116 Sniper, soon to be Marksman. Might I speak on her behalf,(or pretty much on her side) if you have fun, then so be it.

Is it rather alright if I ask why you just so happen to be pointing this all out? Frustration?

Edit: Oh yes, I'm talking about the moves in general, not some of the glitches or errors. Didn't clarify that.

[Devil]

- Marksmen have a twin class that steals their once worthless weapons / scrolls
- Marksmen have a twin class that does way more DPS with the same weapons
- Marksmen have a twin class that has a cool mount that is twice as fast in walking speed
- Marksmen have a twin class that has a cool mount where you can keep firing while moving around
- Marksman is a stupid name for a class

Moar? :)

[KhainiWest]

Joetongue ur so supid you dont know anything about marksmon wers bosses, like pokmenon but better, we hug our bows all cute like and ur just jealous cus you hold sh`itty meat cleavers like a shadowr with a ngit lord. all these glitchs are necssary to balance durrr

I really tried hard to type that

[WingZero]

2. STRAFE AND ULTIMATE STRAFE DO NOT TRIGGER FINAL ATTACK.
4. CO + PIERCE CRASHES THE GAME
6. DRAGON PULSE CRASHES THE GAME IF YOU DO IT TOO FAST

DISCUSS HOW BAD MARKSMEN ARE.

Eh, we were always bad. DP has always glitched whenever monsters were in KB animation. Only the points I quoted bother me, but the rest are were expected. :)

Doesn't US trigger FA right now?

[TugboatWilly]

Eh, we were always bad. DP has always glitched whenever monsters were in KB animation. Only the points I quoted bother me, but the rest are were expected. :)

Doesn't US trigger FA right now?it does but i don't know if it was changed in jump for sure or not.

[Dark Link]

You'd think people would play a class because it's fun. Logically, this should be the correct answer, if you ask me.

My sister has a level 116 Sniper, soon to be Marksman. Might I speak on her behalf,(or pretty much on her side) if you have fun, then so be it.

Is it rather alright if I ask why you just so happen to be pointing this all out? Frustration?

Edit: Oh yes, I'm talking about the moves in general, not some of the glitches or errors. Didn't clarify that.

This entire topic is completely over your head lol
You need a better sarcasm meter.

[JoeTang]

Eh, we were always bad. DP has always glitched whenever monsters were in KB animation. Only the points I quoted bother me, but the rest are were expected. :)

Doesn't US trigger FA right now?

After Jump, Strafe and Ultimate Strafe don't trigger FA anymore. After Jump, Snipers are the only ones who have to deal with Dragon Pulse crashing their game or not working because of Frostprey.


This entire topic is completely over your head lol
You need a better sarcasm meter.

How dare you belittle my concerns by calling it sarcasm. I should write you an angry letter.

[GreenButler]

This entire topic is completely over your head lol
You need a better sarcasm meter.

Sarcasm? I'm afraid to say I honestly don't have much, if any.

(No, I'm not being sarcastic there either.)

Thanks for lightly bringing it up though. I could probably think of some other ways of how that could go.

[Dark Link]

How dare you belittle my concerns by calling it sarcasm. I should write you an angry letter.

I'll counter your angry form of letter writing with my own form of letter writing in the fashion of an angry man who is disappointed and aggravated at the poor service he had to deal with!

[hongyu]

Marksmen are bad because you can't be a women, if you make a female marksmen as soon as you are 4th job you are classified as a man crossdressing.

[Blades4hire]

Marksmen are bad because you can't be a women, if you make a female marksmen as soon as you are 4th job you are classified as a man crossdressing.
And then at 200, you become a Lord Sniper :f3:
The 200 medals really need to be more gender inclusive.
KING Pirate
WiseMAN
LORD Sniper

[ShinkuDragon]

Marksmen are bad because you can't be a women, if you make a female marksmen as soon as you are 4th job you are classified as a man crossdressing.

i lol'd, and you know why.

[Liteness]

Marksmen are bad because you can't be a women, if you make a female marksmen as soon as you are 4th job you are classified as a man crossdressing.

thought that began at 1st job? called bowman

[IllegallySane]

Know what will fix Marksmen? Strap C4 on all their arrows! Instant WINNING!

[Sorien]

Joe, don't forget the fact that only one of their mob attacks is able to shoot at an angle! All of their other mob attacks either shoot at a fixed location or shoot straight forward, making it hard to snipe mobs from a ledge without losing a large amount of dps.

[hongyu]

Marksmen are so bad, we actually accepted this guy as our representative, and then his trolling legend began

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[SwordStaker]

GOD MARKSMEN. THEY JUST HAVE FAIL WRITTEN ALL OVER THEIR FACE. NO WONDER NO ONE USES THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN DO GOOD DAMAGE LIKE AT ALL. AND IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ANY GODLY MMS WHO CAN SOLO HT CZAK AND OTHERS PFT.

[Locked]

GOD MARKSMEN. THEY JUST HAVE FAIL WRITTEN ALL OVER THEIR FACE. NO WONDER NO ONE USES THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN DO GOOD DAMAGE LIKE AT ALL. AND IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ANY GODLY MMS WHO CAN SOLO HT CZAK AND OTHERS PFT.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT BOWMASTERS DO IT ABOUT 2 TIMES FASTER OR MORE.

[Green4Ever]

4. CO + PIERCE CRASHES THE GAME


This happens with Big Bang too, lol.

[Dark Link]

This happens with Big Bang too, lol.

Wait, really? wtp!
These CO glitches keep getting worse lol. Eventually we're gonna get to the point where CO + XYZ start crashing maps/channels/servers, and then Paladins will be Dupe mules.

[SwordStaker]

THE PROBLEM IS THAT BOWMASTERS DO IT ABOUT 2 TIMES FASTER OR MORE.
NO WAI

[Hanabira.Kage]

This happens with Big Bang too, lol.


Sadly, this started applying to ALL non-passive CO-affected skills in MSEA once MSEA got Big Bang. =.=

Well, it actually DC's everyone but the caster, and it only DC's people when they're buffed with it (or lose the buff) in the middle of using an affected skill. ~.~

[Phoenix Wright]

This is all so true, Marksmen are just awful... I should just quit mine. Nightlords are a much stronger class.

[raizoo]

We've sucked since 4th job was released. Wtf are you going on about now? Rofl.

[White]

Know what will fix Marksmen? Strap C4 on all their arrows! Instant WINNING!

Arrow Bomb? Hunter (2nd job) gets that.

[Dark Link]

We've sucked since 4th job was released. Wtf are you going on about now? Rofl.

*Over your head* :f4:

[Chameleonic]

Why do I still play this class again...

[IllegallySane]

Arrow Bomb? Hunter (2nd job) gets that.

What?! Already taken by their superior cousins?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjRvkPazwAI

[Marksman Bryan]

fuck you bitches

HATERS GONNA HATE

[JoeTang]

pineapple you peaches

HATERS GONNA HATE

SUCKERS GONNA SUCK

[TugboatWilly]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k163/kainashi2/ILvHL.jpg

[RandomZodiac]

Not like BM or WH can beat the Mercedes :f3:

[Combattente]

.......................................

we can still...

FREEZE.... MONSTERS.............

:f4:

But really. At least we're much better than after 4th Job was released. Back then we were THE suckiest class, along with Paladins.

We're 8th at DPS compared to BMs which are 4th or so. Not THAT bad.

[raizoo]

Well, at least Snipe looks kind of pretty なう
*Over your head* :f4:But the reason why I play Crossbow Master is because they suck. ): And they were cheap back in my day.

And when I came back from quitting, these things on giant cats appeared and messed everything up. ;~;

[Combattente]

the reason why I play Crossbow Master is because they suck

This. I kind of made one because of that 5 years ago. Because they're unique.


And they were cheap back in my day.

This, too.

[raizoo]

This, too.REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE GAVE YOU CROSSBOW SCROLLS FOR NEARLY FREE? YEAHHHH I miss those days of niceness.

I remember paying like 500k for a 60% crossbow scrolls are 60% dagger/claw were at least 1.5m trollolol.

amigawd, I used to play Bera, toooo. First female archer to 120 ♥

[TugboatWilly]

gone are the days where your friends would spam your duey with crossbow scrolls. :f4:

[Stereo]

.......................................

we can still...

FREEZE.... MONSTERS.............
> 19x
> freeze monsters

[IllegallySane]

> 19x
> freeze monsters

But it's such a COOL feature to have.

[danielcatu]

- Marksmen have a twin class that has a cool mount that is twice as fast in walking speed


NO, just no :f3:

[TugboatWilly]

bowmasters can't freeze monsters. :f3:

[Locked]

bowmasters can't freeze monsters. :f3:

We burn them instead.

[Zelkova]

We burn them instead.

with rapeferno.

[TugboatWilly]

We burn them instead.freezing is better.

[Combattente]

> 19x
> freeze monsters

... yeah, I know. :f7:


freezing is better.

Indeed. But, let's admit it, their Ultimate Fire Shot + the DoT from it = much stronger and more useful than ours. :f7:

[Lozmaster]

freezing is better.

I suppose it would be if you have to make do with killing htem slower :kiss:

[Yokuyin]

Did you expect something else from a class named after my little brother?

Seriously, Marksmen need more love. :( I would give them some of my skills if I could, but I can't. It's like trying to help someone, but you can't. :(

[Dark Zero]

- Marksmen have a twin class that steals their once worthless weapons / scrolls
- Marksmen have a twin class that does way more DPS with the same weapons
- Marksmen have a twin class that has a cool mount that is twice as fast in walking speed
- Marksmen have a twin class that has a cool mount where you can keep firing while moving around
- Marksman is a stupid name for a class
Moar? :)

- BM has a twin class that can use their version of Dark Sight with moar damage when attacks
- BM has a twin class that can transform info someone more powerful
- BM has a twin class that if they had a cap of 200 they can easily outdamage BM
- BM has a twin class that is faster than the original and has better skills early
- BM has a twin class that when get certain level can get a skill thay ignores enemy accuracy penalty
- BM has lamer HP than MM
- Also... BM is a obvious name for someone that uses bow

problem?

[TugboatWilly]

I suppose it would be if you have to make do with killing htem slower :kiss:we have snipe. bowmasters don't. :f3:

[Born2BeMild]

Well, at least Snipe looks kind of pretty なうBut the reason why I play Crossbow Master is because they suck. ): And they were cheap back in my day.

Because they're unique.
Only Hipsters play Marksman

[Justin]

Marksman are for all the cool kids out there. Fuck yeah.

[Dark Link]

We burn them instead.

BURN THE MOTHERLAND!

[FallenStar]

O_o It's all depends on ur interest. I like Marksman (MM Pride).

[raizoo]

Only Hipsters play MarksmanNah, real hipsters would be UA. (´・ω・｀)

[Luxeraph]

Nah, real hipsters would be UA. (´・ω・｀)

Don't the actual useful skills and avoiding doing first job with a crossbow make it less hipster?

[raizoo]

Don't the actual useful skills and avoiding doing first job with a crossbow make it less hipster?The skill isn't too great for Crossbow Master, but I don't know what it's like now that there's no charge or whatever. Either way, 90% of the UAs I knew were warriors. I think I had one FaP and BM that were UA on my b-list. :V

[ShinkuDragon]

Nah, real hipsters would be UA. (´・ω・｀)REAL hipsters have the skill without being UA

[raizoo]

REAL hipsters have the skill without being UAHave the skill maxed* (ﾉ´∀｀*)

I now have meaning in Maple. Must hunt more Lunar Dews when I have time.

[sufian]

- BM has a twin class that can use their version of Dark Sight with moar damage when attacks
- BM has a twin class that can transform info someone more powerful
- BM has a twin class that if they had a cap of 200 they can easily outdamage BM
- BM has a twin class that is faster than the original and has better skills early
- BM has a twin class that when get certain level can get a skill thay ignores enemy accuracy penalty
- BM has lamer HP than MM
- Also... BM is a obvious name for someone that uses bow

problem?

The bolded is what makes your argument pointless. The fact is that it's only better to a certain point whereas a WH outclasses an MM in almost every aspect AND they CAN get to 200!

Also, I didn't know BM's get less HP than MM's o-o

[Phoenix Wright]

Err, BMs and MMs have the same base health.

[ChaosCorpse]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4112/wutmarksman.jpg

All these threads do is restore pride to those who still walk the path less traveled. That and make others pity us which we don't need.

There were still good times.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9233/maple0567.jpg

[Winry]

Marksmen Suck? Since when?
But really I tend to just not pay attention to my damage in comparison to others.
Other classes are either friends or I don't care.
If you are a friend then who cares if you're stronger than me.
I don't. If you can't have FUN with a class without worrying about the damage, don't play.

[Dark Link]

Wow, I can't believe how many people don't get the joke to this topic. Less "Srs Bsns" please :|

[Marksman Bryan]

Wow, I can't believe how many people don't get the joke to this topic. Less "Srs Bsns" please :|

This is a thread debating the awesomeness of marksmen on the internet.
Not sure how much more srs bzns you can get, sir.

OT: Can bowmasters break damage cap and hit 2,488,317? I think not.
Just another fact that proves Marksmen are the superior bowman class.

[Chameleonic]

Marksmen cant use double jump while holding a charged Pierce, yeah we suck.

[Locked]

Marksmen cant use double jump while holding a charged Pierce, yeah we suck.

Bowmasters can't do anything while double jumping either :f1:

[HKSmaster]

Marksmen can deal some pretty big numbers, and thats why I love them.

[JoeTang]

You guys know how Arrow Rain got a 60% chance to stun in the Union patch? Arrow Eruption got 60% chance to seal.

FA still doesn't work with Strafe.

[TugboatWilly]

seal > stun

NEXT

[RedRaven16]

seal > stun

NEXT

Except seal is useless when YOUR SO DAM CLOSE to the mob already that touch dmg is a threat

[TugboatWilly]

safe to say both are useless. :f3:

[CrazyForDex]

T_T LF> hurricane to mob up to 3 enemies xDDDD

[Combattente]

PIERCE NOW HITS THRICE B'ITCHES


wait

it's not any better than before damage-wise

plus thieves and pirates get shiny, cool-looking, interesting skills and an ultimate


pineapple we still suck

[CrazyForDex]

pineapple we still suck

My thoughts exactly.

[sw2009]

Well, sort of wonders at this, but isnt FA for marksman malfunctioning?
Actually saw the KMS vid of that awesome bm who solo-ed pink bean. Looking forward to Bryan's vid on soloing pink bean.
But seriously. I read joe tong's dmg comparison post union , it seems like marksman with US+snipe + fp+puppet > bm + hurricane + phoenix + puppet at pb, even when mm's FA is not working.

[Marksman Bryan]

I'm not THAT good... yet ^
I'm not going to try a PB solo until I have 70%+ boss and a perfect empress crossbow... probably going to end up switching to a mercedes anyway

[Blades4hire]

I have to ask. What was the point in making pierce hit 3 times at 1/3 the damage when it hits over cap anyways :f6:

[Takebacker]

I have to ask. What was the point in making pierce hit 3 times at 1-3 the damage when it hits over cap anyways :f6:

So it hits cap more. Duh.

[ShinkuDragon]

I have to ask. What was the point in making pierce hit 3 times at 1/3 the damage when it hits over cap anyways :f6:

buff your ass in potential
hit 999k on the first arrow after the patch
3x as much over-the-cap damage on second and such mobs.

problem ERRYONE?

[valhala556]

buff your ass in potential
hit 999k on the first arrow after the patch
3x as much over-the-cap damage on second and such mobs.

problem ERRYONE?

i was under the impression that pierce could hit over cap because of its increase damage per mob.

[JoeTang]

i was under the impression that pierce could hit over cap because of its increase damage per mob.

It can, but it's limited by the damage of the first hit. If you hit 999999 on the first hit, the second hit would only hit 1.2x999999. Now, you can hit 999999x3, so the second hit can be 1.2x999999x3

[Winry]

*Update* Leveled my Marksman to 200 and now I'm maining a UA Marksman <33

[Popotito]

I have to ask. What was the point in making pierce hit 3 times at 1/3 the damage when it hits over cap anyways :f6:

Not only for the cap but for the stability in the damage, is much easier to get a 10 with 3 dices with 1-6 range than 1 with 3-18 range.

[Sheep]

WH trolololed them by making their one of their main advantages (cheap scrolls / equips) relatively expensive.
Womp womp.

[CrazyForDex]

WH trolololed them by making their one of their main advantages (cheap scrolls / equips) relatively expensive.
Womp womp.

That's not the only thing WHs trolled the other archer classes about.