[1.2.383] Piercing Changes

[Fiel]

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Piercing Arrow:
New - Delay (piercing - 390 ms)
New - range (500) (500)



A new animation was included in Effect.wz called BackStepShot:

http://i.imgur.com/E1SyU.gif

This was added for the skill Recoil Shot for Gunslingers and the effect was removed from the skill.



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"스승님~ 스승니임~ 대체 어디 계신 거예요?"
"노틸러스 호가 업그레이드 되고 있어요! 새로운 무기로 더욱 강해진 노틸러스 호! 정말 멋지겠죠! 게다가 노틸러스 호는 함장도 미인! 함장이 미인이면 함대의 공격력은 두 배로 올라가는 법! ...이런 소리 하다가 카이린님에게 혼나는 거 아니겠죠?"


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Script: kairinT

[kruimel0]

BackStepShot... My bet is that it's a new skill for the legends, as all other ranged chars already have some movement skill (double jump, flash jump, gunny's backstepshot thing...) I don't see any other reason.

Or wait... It's in effect.wz.... some awesome new PQ then?

[Fiel]

Or wait... It's in effect.wz.... some awesome new PQ then?

No, that's the standard place to put it. The Flash Jump poofs are in there too. This is more than likely skill related (70 - 80% chance)

[kruimel0]

No, that's the standard place to put it. The Flash Jump poofs are in there too. This is more than likely skill related (70 - 80% chance)

Ah awesome. Then I have the feeling this is the first thing we'll see of the bowman hero. Is this all what's new in this patch, or are you still extracting?

[Fiel]

Ah awesome. Then I have the feeling this is the first thing we'll see of the bowman hero. Is this all what's new in this patch, or are you still extracting?

Only thing left interesting are the NPCs. Other than that the rest is ho-hum.

[Hanabira.Kage]

BackStepShot... My bet is that it's a new skill for the legends, as all other ranged chars already have some movement skill (double jump, flash jump, gunny's backstepshot thing...) I don't see any other reason.

Or wait... It's in effect.wz.... some awesome new PQ then?


I think it might be just an animation update for the Gunslinger's Backstep Shot.

[Fiel]

Did anyone read Valarie's NPC text? She talks about a new, upgraded Nautilus and weapons.

[MetaSeraphim]

Valarie, was she a NPC in the game before?

[Fiel]

Valarie, was she a NPC in the game before?

This is a new IMG file. She could have been in another IMG file, so idk.

[Shidoshi]

So now Piercing has a post-cast delay too? Is this them going for something more like Boomerang Step?
I don't really get the change since nothing else changed.

[kruimel0]

Did anyone read Valarie's NPC text? She talks about a new, upgraded Nautilus and weapons.

I'm guessing a new PQ...

To quote google translate:
"Teacher necessary to complete a new weapon, but ..."
"Master ~ seuseungniim ~ Where are you?"
"I'm being upgraded Nautilus Quote! new weapons stronger Nautilus! really cool they are! Besides beauty Nautiloid captain! boat fleet is beautiful dating method to double the damage! ... while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me? "

"while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me?" Maybe you have to rescue this mysterious Kai Lin?

[Haseo]

Pirate Jump? :f2:

Buccs need a boost.

[Alloy]

Pirate Jump? :f2:

Buccs need a boost.

I think I'll be disappointed if I ask about Kerning city changes...

So I'll just save my time.

[Jon]

Oh hey, the female pirate (http://i.imgur.com/g76ox.jpg). What's she doing in-game?

[MetaSeraphim]

Oh hey, the female pirate (http://i.imgur.com/g76ox.jpg). What's she doing in-game?

I thought I had seen/heard about her before.

[TKWizard]

Isn't this supposed to be 1.2.383?

[kenshinEx]

So, who is the blue dude behind Ani again? :f6:

[Jon]

So, who is the blue dude behind Ani again? :f6:

Ice Knight. He's from his own mode in PvP.

[Abysseon]

New pierce vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-QfnXhDfM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ8Mo5RO7Rk

[Viaje]

Valarie, was she a NPC in the game before?

Oh hey, the female pirate (http://i.imgur.com/g76ox.jpg). What's she doing in-game?
She started being in the game quite recently.
(http://spadow.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/kms-ver-1-2-131-spell-of-awakening/)
See also: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=42722&prefixid=KMST

[Raph589]

I think backstep shot is a skill for the next legend too. Probably archer one.

[Jon]

She started being in the game quite recently.
(http://spadow.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/kms-ver-1-2-131-spell-of-awakening/)
See also: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=42722&prefixid=KMST

Oh hurr, didn't remember her being one of the girls.

[Viaje]

I think it might be just an animation update for the Gunslinger's Backstep Shot.
I'll second this.

Think horses, not zebras.

[squirrely]

Thanks for the videos abysseon.
That is a very promising change for marksmen.
Pierce definitely seems more viable and more efficient to use.
Even though we still have to wait after getting hit to shoot it, the shorter charge makes up for that.
Marksmen definitely look like they live up to their mobbing nature.
Nexon is doing a very good job with the updates.

[Viaje]

Thanks for the videos abysseon.
That is a very promising change for marksmen.
Pierce definitely seems more viable and more efficient to use.
Even though we still have to wait after getting hit to shoot it, the shorter charge makes up for that.
Marksmen definitely look like they live up to their mobbing nature.
Nexon is doing a very good job with the updates.
Definitely makes it a great 'starter' when taking on a mob.
Seems to combo nicely with Eruption.

[hadriel]

Cool. Spammable Pierce. 390ms delay plus 500% range.

If I attempt to extrapolate the damage of the new Pierce at level 1, at the looks of it, spamming pierce effectively gives 0.1*(600%*2)*[(1 - 1.2^6)/(1 - 1.2)] = 1191.6% damage to 6 mobs (that's if you do hit 6 mobs, since this is a GP, and an estimated 10% damage for tapping), or 198.6% per mob on a 6-mob Pierce at level 1. Normalising for delay, that's 509% DPS per mob. As a basis of comparision, AE does 462.5% DPS, and Ice Shot does 551.7% DPS, both of which are not mobcount-dependent. Max level Pierce-tapping does 636.5% DPS on a 6-mob pierce, and 572% DPS on a 5-mob pierce.

What do you all think? Useful buff?

*edit* If I assume Pierce max charging time to be 1000ms (I've no idea), then normalised DPS on full charging is 1079.1% on a single mob, or 1786% DPS on a 6-mob Pierce. Basis of comparision: Ultimate Strafe at max level does 1586% DPS. Looks very VERY tasty now. But we're still rather lacklustre for 1v1 DPS. *edit*

Hadriel

[squirrely]

Cool. Spammable Pierce. 390ms delay plus 500% range.

If I attempt to extrapolate the damage of the new Pierce at level 1, at the looks of it, spamming pierce effectively gives 0.1*(600%*2)*[(1 - 1.2^6)/(1 - 1.2)] = 1191.6% damage to 6 mobs (that's if you do hit 6 mobs, since this is a GP, and an estimated 10% damage for tapping), or 198.6% per mob on a 6-mob Pierce at level 1. Normalising for delay, that's 509% DPS per mob. As a basis of comparision, AE does 462.5% DPS, and Ice Shot does 551.7% DPS, both of which are not mobcount-dependent. Max level Pierce-tapping does 636.5% DPS on a 6-mob pierce, and 572% DPS on a 5-mob pierce.

What do you all think? Useful buff?

Hadriel
It sounds useful based on what you said.
But pierce-tapping is something new to me. I never did it before :O

[hadriel]

^Why'd you want that? Ice Shot beats it hands down.

Give me a couple of min to find out the damage modifier for Iron Arrow.

*edit* 6-mob Iron Arrow does 278.3% DPS (which is stupid, penalty too high), and single-mob Iron does 356% DPS. *edit*

*edit* Declare that all calculations are RAW DPS. *edit*

Hadriel

[ShanghaiDizzy]

New skill animation looks like a Recoil Shot type effect. Wonder if it's for that Wind Archer skill.

[ghostofhalo]

^Why'd you want that? Ice Shot beats it hands down.

Give me a couple of min to find out the damage modifier for Iron Arrow.

*edit* 6-mob Iron Arrow does 278.3% DPS (which is stupid, penalty too high), and single-mob Iron does 356% DPS. *edit*

*edit* Declare that all calculations are RAW DPS. *edit*

Hadriel
Wasn't iron arrow's damage penalty removed during these patches?


- Iron Arrow (2nd) were applied for through the damage penalty has been removed.

[squirrely]

^Why'd you want that? Ice Shot beats it hands down.

Give me a couple of min to find out the damage modifier for Iron Arrow.

*edit* 6-mob Iron Arrow does 278.3% DPS (which is stupid, penalty too high), and single-mob Iron does 356% DPS. *edit*

*edit* Declare that all calculations are RAW DPS. *edit*

Hadriel
Thanks Hadriel.
I just keep thinking of iron arrow as pierce version alpha (it goes further and doesnt stop with an aoe)
I still use iron arrow as a finisher if pierce leaves all mobs with little hp to be time efficient.
But with the new speed, it looks like tap-piercing is the way to go. One less key to press :D

[hadriel]

Oops. Then it collapses to the 2nd DPS value I calculated, and is mobcount-independent.

Just a few more numbers to note: Single-mob max-Pierce does 1079% RAW DPS, which obviously means that tapping max-Pierce does 107.9% DPS. Extrapolated level 1 Pierce does 863.3% DPS on full charging on single-mob, or 1428.8% DPS full-charge 6-mobs. Makes tap-Piercing look kinda whimpy...

Hadriel

[SwordStaker]

I'm guessing a new PQ...

To quote google translate:
"Teacher necessary to complete a new weapon, but ..."
"Master ~ seuseungniim ~ Where are you?"
"I'm being upgraded Nautilus Quote! new weapons stronger Nautilus! really cool they are! Besides beauty Nautiloid captain! boat fleet is beautiful dating method to double the damage! ... while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me? "

"while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me?" Maybe you have to rescue this mysterious Kai Lin?
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Pirate update first please :f2:

EDIT:I wouldn't be surprised if they released all legends at one time.

[hadriel]

^That would be legendary =P Say no to Legendre transformation here!

Tap-piercing is only viable with this new update... see the 2nd video on the 1st page.

Can someone give me exact numbers for the charging time of Pierce? It can heavily skew the DPS of Pierce.

Hadriel

[Shidoshi]

From what I'm seeing on the video, new pierce has a very short delay instead of the normal 600ms. From the vikings video it also seems like it can be cast on the air so no more problems with being hit, this is pretty much the same thing they did with mage's Big Bang.

[MetaSeraphim]

Think horses, not zebras.

That is hardly any fun.

[HighOnMushrooms]

Backstep Shot is the korean name for Recoil Shot, so I'm pretty sure its not a new skill lol.

[Takebacker]

Wow. Pierce is awesome sauce now.


Backstep Shot is the korean name for Recoil Shot, so I'm pretty sure its not a new skill lol.

Yeah it's obviously recoil shot from gunslingers. Pirate jump is up next. :glitter:

[0^2]

I love that they had Ani do his evil sneering for that world select and Dragonrider looking all badass. :monocle:

[MetaSeraphim]

Yeah it's obviously recoil shot from gunslingers. Pirate jump is up next. :glitter:

>Pirates get update before thieves
>nexontrollface.jpg

[Takebacker]

>Pirates get update before thieves
>nexontrollface.jpg

You would think this is a good thing. The classes left last often get some of the best updates.

[TrueBlitz]

Yeah it's obviously recoil shot from gunslingers. Pirate jump is up next. :glitter:

I don't think Pirates need any major revamps or anything. Aside from new animations, what else do pirates want to get balanced with the other classes?

[Abysseon]

I don't think Pirates need any major revamps or anything.

*points to buccs*

Would be cool for corsairs to get a new ship design to signify being 140/160+.

[Viaje]

*points to buccs*

Would be cool for corsairs to get a new ship design to signify being 140/160+.
*joins in pointing at buccs*

Don't forget that Corsairs now have a ship that won't break, yet Rapid Fire is still in their skill set.

Nexon seems to be making a point of getting rid of useless skills (minus Holy Arrow, which they continuously buff despite not making any room for it SP-wise), and Rapid Fire falls under "useless" as long as Cannon can be used constantly. I originally doubted that they'd get rid of an skill altogether, but taking Priest's Summon Dragon showed that they have no problem with that.

Plus, they still need their own "Physical Training", and I'm sure there are skills that can be moved from one job level to another (hoping for Slinger summons to be given the Archer treatment).

[hadriel]

The delay is reduced... well... didn't you see the note that Fiel put in front? 390ms delay.

Hadriel

[DeanNim]

New pierce vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-QfnXhDfM

banmal song ~ ! and honestly, whats the difference between post-bb/chaos and post-jump ?

[MetaSeraphim]

Do you mean the skill, or in general?

[DeanNim]

Do you mean the skill, or in general?

the skill, it looks its abit faster but i think its because theyre able to jump-shoot now.

[hadriel]

Oh hell yes... jump-shooting... that's VERY useful. Especially in places like Ludi, the ability to jump off a platform and throw a finishing shot while falling, and the increased mobility from jumping DOES make archers much more versatile in training. In bossing... well... meh.

Hadriel

[Duelman]

I can't wait to see what they do for the gunslinger class. I hope they do some cool stuff for buccs too.

[JoeTang]

Oh hell yes... jump-shooting... that's VERY useful. Especially in places like Ludi, the ability to jump off a platform and throw a finishing shot while falling, and the increased mobility from jumping DOES make archers much more versatile in training. In bossing... well... meh.

Hadriel

I would assume the jump shooting only applies to Pierce so that if it's released when you get knocked back, it doesn't just do nothing, like Big Bang's change.



1: 1656.3%/s
2: 1987.5%/s
3: 2385.0%/s
4: 2862.0%/s
5: 3434.4%/s
6: 4121.3%/s
16446.4%/s
vs
1: 976.8%/s
2: 1172.1%/s
3: 1406.5%/s
4: 1687.8%/s
5: 2025.4%/s
6: 2430.5%/s
7: 2916.6%/s
8: 3499.9%/s
16115%/s


Seems a bit too strong for six monsters. Maybe they changed the multiplier for mobs too though. This is optimised charge time that's down to the millisecond though, and a more realistic one would be a 1 second charging time


1: 1461.4%/s
2: 1753.7%/s
3: 2104.4%/s
4: 2525.3%/s
5: 3030.4%/s
6: 3636.4%/s
14511.6%/s

[Killmeplsok]

The skill effect should be Recoil Shot.
MSEA uses the name Backstep Shot for the skill and it's name in Character.wz is backstep as well, take a look in it.
Never explore Effect.wz though.

[Rayquaza2233]

I'm guessing a new PQ...

To quote google translate:
"Teacher necessary to complete a new weapon, but ..."
"Master ~ seuseungniim ~ Where are you?"
"I'm being upgraded Nautilus Quote! new weapons stronger Nautilus! really cool they are! Besides beauty Nautiloid captain! boat fleet is beautiful dating method to double the damage! ... while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me? "

"while this sounds like Kai Lin in trouble for 're not me?" Maybe you have to rescue this mysterious Kai Lin?

Kai Lin is most likely Kyrin.

[Dudewitbow]

Kai Lin is most likely Kyrin.

Makes sense if you take the fact that Both Korea and Japan don't pronounce R and is replaced by L syndrome

[Link]

Makes sense if you take the fact that Both Korea and Japan don't pronounce R and is replaced by L syndrome

You have that backwards, for Japanese at least.

[Abysseon]

You have that backwards, for Japanese at least.

Is that balrog hat in your sig a cash shop item?

[Dudewitbow]

You have that backwards, for Japanese at least.

Wouldnt you pronounce L and write R in Japanese? Like when saying Dragon, isn't it phonetically Doragon, but pronounced Dolagon?

Edit: or if your going all out Japanese, it would sound like Lyuu instead of Ryuu?

edit2:i just realized my mistake on my original quote, its Written as Ky Lin so yess i guess they're in reverse or the translator automatically replaced R as L

[danielcatu]

female pirate is kinda old on korean ms (she's from mobile games and the manwha :wink:)

[squirrely]

I would assume the jump shooting only applies to Pierce so that if it's released when you get knocked back, it doesn't just do nothing, like Big Bang's change.



1: 1656.3%/s
2: 1987.5%/s
3: 2385.0%/s
4: 2862.0%/s
5: 3434.4%/s
6: 4121.3%/s
16446.4%/s
vs
1: 976.8%/s
2: 1172.1%/s
3: 1406.5%/s
4: 1687.8%/s
5: 2025.4%/s
6: 2430.5%/s
7: 2916.6%/s
8: 3499.9%/s
16115%/s


Yeah tap-piercing seems quite too strong.
Perhaps nerfing %damage of partial charges to be lower so that it makes marksmen want to fully charge for the full damage.

[JoeTang]

1: 552.1%/s
2: 662.5%/s
3: 795.0%/s
4: 954.0%/s
5: 1144.8%/s
6: 1373.8%/s
5482.1%/s
Tapped Pierce seems pretty good, but I wouldn't say it's too strong. I don't understand where you came to that conclusion. It's nice that it has utility so that it's not absolute garbage when you don't charge it. Uncharged Pierce does 10% of the listed damage, but since it has such a short attack time, there are advantages to using it uncharged. Previously, there were none since it did less DPS than Iron Arrow.
For reference, Iron Arrow is 3422.9%/s on mobs of six, or 570.5%/s per mob when you consider critical. It used to be 2931.7%/s before this patch, and only the DPS on the first monster was better than current version.
Blizzard is 5300%/s, but you have to remember that a lot of Pierce's damage is backloaded, so much like how Iron Arrow does more DPS than level 1 Blizzard on Big Bang/Chaos, you can get better training efficiency out of Blizzard because it takes the same number of hits to kill all the monsters.

[hadriel]

Your numbers agree with my RAW calculations. I find that tap-Piercing is useful only because you cut down on casting time, i.e. damage is almost directly proportional to charging time, so if you minimise delays and minimise overdamage, and DP would make all the mobs cluster together blah blah.

I save a little MP though. 20-24MP < 30MP for Blizzard.

I want to see what further tweaks they might pull. Getting interesting. I really really hope they do something to Snipe.

Hadriel

[squirrely]

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I thought that was the comparison of a fully charge and tap pierce. My mistake.

[Veneni]

Maybe the recoil shot animation and pierce changes are related. As in... they meant to add a recoil shot effect in pierce when you jumpshoot it? :3 (But somehow, it's bugged and doesn't work)

[Link]

Is that balrog hat in your sig a cash shop item?

Nope. It's a Pachinko item. I had to win it. D:


Wouldnt you pronounce L and write R in Japanese? Like when saying Dragon, isn't it phonetically Doragon, but pronounced Dolagon?

Edit: or if your going all out Japanese, it would sound like Lyuu instead of Ryuu?

edit2:i just realized my mistake on my original quote, its Written as Ky Lin so yess i guess they're in reverse or the translator automatically replaced R as L

Nope. However, if a Japanese person tried to pronounce words with Ls in them, like "collection," they would make the R sound instead of the L, so you'd think they were saying "correction" instead. lol

[AngelxHoly]

Nope. However, if a Japanese person tried to pronounce words with Ls in them, like "collection," they would make the R sound instead of the L, so you'd think they were saying "correction" instead. lol
My japanese teacher gets so annoyed if we point that out.

We're not teasing her per se, but sometimes the "r in place of l" is funny. :c

On topic: I like the updates, but I don't really like the directions archers are taking. Kinda of pseudo-sins in a sense.

[White]

My japanese teacher gets so annoyed if we point that out.

We're not teasing her per se, but sometimes the "r in place of l" is funny. :c

On topic: I like the updates, but I don't really like the directions archers are taking. Kinda of pseudo-sins in a sense.

I don't know, I've always considered Sins to be mobile killers. They get haste, they're fast and they can attack while moving all over the place. Archers still need to stand relatively still to kill.

[darkmonkey13]

>Pirates get update before thieves
>nexontrollface.jpg
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR they could just be simply renewing the skill animation. You guys are making a trans-atmospheric mountain out of a microscopic molehill. Anyhow, I'd say that Thieves (NL's especially) need it more than Pirates.

[Takebacker]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR they could just be simply renewing the skill animation. You guys are making a trans-atmospheric mountain out of a microscopic molehill. Anyhow, I'd say that Thieves (NL's especially) need it more than Pirates.

1) Signs of pierce delay change before pierce delay change.
2) Pierce's delay is changed.

1) Tweaking in some way of a pirate skill and nautilus NPCs that hint of the nautilus being upgraded.
2) ?????????????????????????