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Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-07, 04:43 AM
Not quite a guide but rather an outline but still. This shows the easiest (in my mind) way to be dexless and still able to equip the current LVL knuckle and so forth.


At lvl 20, continue as normal, only adding str. There are no new equips needed.

UPDATED: From LVL 10 (job advance) you should already have 20 Base Dex, leaving all added points to STR. With 10-20, a 100%ed overall with DEX can help with hitting higher LVLed mobs, but the difference might not be very noticeable. Euips til now should be the basic Pirate Equips you can buy at the Nautalis, or a Showa Bathrobe for some extra speed.


You will be stuck with the lvl 20 overall still, unless you have a 5 or 10 Dex cape that you could use. 100% Dex scroll the lvl 20 overall to be able to use the LVL 25 knuckle.

UPDATED: From 25-30, obtaining a Squishy Shoe from Kerning PQ will help slightly by giving a low LVL stat shoe to use from 30 til a replacement shoe is obtained (either at LVL 50 for a Facestomper, or 60 for a Black Basile).


Here is where you will start to lag behind normal and low Dex builds, seeing as you are limited to using an lvl 20-30 depending on what Dex ragged cape you have. This is also the last LVL weapon you will use until you either scroll a SS with 5-10 Dex, in which case you will be able to move up to the 35 and/or 40 overall and weapons.


Here is the current run down of equips and stats that will be needed to use anything at this LVL with the dexless base of 20 Dex:

Cape: 5-10 Dex
Snowshoes: 5-10 Dex

Highest LVL Overalls Equipable: LVL 20-40 depending on equips.
Highest LVL Weapons Equipable: LVL 30-50 depending on equips and assuming currently equipped overall is +10 Dex.

Summary: With the 100%ed minimalist route, with a 5Dex cape, no Dex shoes, and 10 Dex overall, you should be wearing the LVL 25 Overall, while using the LVL 35 knuckle. With the moderate spenders route, you should be able to equip the LVL 40 Overall, while being able to use the LVLs 40 and 50 Knuckles when applicable.

UPDATED: Here is where the fun starts, as you are now able to create equips with Maker Skill to have better stats on your equips clean, as well as actually being able to obtain them, as compared to when this build was first written, equips were really only obtainable from drops.

Revised Equips:
Cape 5-10 DEX
Shoes 5-10 DEX
(20 Base + 10~20=30-40 DEX)

Agent Earrings - ~10 DEX (or other low LVL earrings)
(30-40 + ~10=~50)

With 50 DEX total from all equips above, you should now be set until LVL 50.



This is where it starts to get interesting and good, as well as where more Dex equips should be brought into play, as, with all non-job Dex equips are brought into play, we will reach the highest LVL Overall to be used.

New Dex Equips: Earrings, YAC, Att PAC, Zhelm! Job shoes with Dex clean!
Figures: Earrings you should aim for 10 at best, but 8-9 will be cheap and easier to find. If you pan to get a YAC, 12-14 Dex is a good number to shoot for, meaning out of the 8 slots, you only have to pass 6-7 to get your goal, which should be extremely hard, and is doable. If you plan to skip the YAC and go for a PAC, 8 Dex is what you should aim for, and anywhere from 2 Att to 4 Att would be good. Zhelm, of course, will bring you a hefty 15 Dex clean alone. The Best part about this LVL area, is with enough Dex from other equips, you will be able to wear the LVL 60 Pirate shoes, which have 3 Dex clean, making it easier to shoot for ~10 dex to get an even higher LVL weapon later on.

Equips
Earrings: 8-10 Dex
Cape: 8-14 Dex
Shoes 9-12 Dex
Helm: At Least 14 Dex
Necklace At Least 1 Dex
OPTIONAL: 5 Dex Face/Eye Equip.

Total Dex Added to Base: 40 Dex Min-50+ Dex Max

Summary: This now tells us what the final overalls to be equipped will be. For the minimalists, the Black Royal Barone overall is the last overall you should be wearing. For the sky high seekers, Red Viska is your new overall, but wait, if you plan to shoot for the stars, scrolling your zhelm with at least 10 more Dex will more you 1 further, making the dex needed from the overall to equip the highest LVL knuckle even less.



Congrats, you've made it to 3rd Job as a dexless! Now, with regards to the only equips that have not been mentioned much: overall stats, and end-game knuckle.

LVL 60 Overall: The LVL 60 overall comes with 1 Dex clean. This isn't much, but as a dexless, every Dex counts. With this overall, 100%ing it for Dex will only allow you to equip the LVL 70 knuckle, still a good place to end as a dexless (think of dexless-rab sins). But, with even a little bit of luck and scrolling funding, getting an 20 Dex overall would produce the best bang for the buck. Putting you 2 LVLs over you overall, and at a weapon most other classes would be happy to end at even using low stat builds. But to be dreaming, but still within the limits, 30 Dex is the way to fly, allowing the use of the LVL 90 knuckle, and most likely out damaging the average dexless, low Dex Infighter.

LVL 70 Overall: If you had the good equips to end up here, you are already ahead of the curve. 100%s set you at the LVL 80 knuckle with very little work put into it at all. Again, the 20 Dex sweet spot is where it would be best to aim for, and with the 2 Dex clean, it will be slightly easier than the 60 overall, allowing the use of the LVL 90 knuckle, where most other high LVL rangers, and other classes would end they're secondary stat adding. Like to dream bigger than big? 30 Dex is for you, hell, even 40 if you can, both being able to push the limits beyond what most to all others will hit, allowing the use of the LVL 100 and 110 knuckles while still being dexless!


The only downside to relying on Dex earrings, is that if you pla to GPQ, you will be forced to use a lower LVL knuckle.


Overall Update: With the release of the Maker Skill, clean class equips are now easily made to be godly.

With the following Comon Class equips, you can easily start out with just a few godly stat'd equips made with Maker, and easily put yourself higher than what the first outline of this guide provides.

Zhelm - 15 Dex
Pac/Yac - ~10 Dex/14+ Dex
Earring - ~10 Dex
Black Belt - 5 Dex Clean
Pendant - 5 or 22 Dex
Eye Acc. - 1 Dex Clean

Along with a base of 20, thats 66 low 82 high.

Black Basile Shoes - Clean-8 Dex, Scrolled-12+ Dex

74 total low, 94 high.

Going with a Maker'd Red Viska will net 1 crystal use on it, giving an average of 5 Dex clean (intermediate crystal) to 7 Dex clean (advanced). From there, a somewhat easy target to attain is 20+ dex scrolled, giving a total of 94 Dex on a low end.

Making a White Marquini will net the use of 2 crystals. The first choice of Dex will get an average of 6 Dex (intermediate) to 8 Dex (advanced) clean. From there, you can use a Str crystal for an average total Str of 9 to 11 Str. Again, 20+ Dex is an easy target for scrolling, ending with a total of 114 Dex on the high end. Its also possible to risk using a Dark Crystal instead of the Str crystal, which could possibly add even more Dex on top of everything else, as well as add some Str as well, but in the same light, it can also take it away.

94 Low, 114 High.

For the final equip of gloves, Maker'ing it give it a really good use over a normal WG at the cost to some, of a higher attack glove. On the low end, a LVL 90 Red Martier works fine, and is actually on the edge, as the LVL 80 glove has considerably less Dex clean than the Red Martier. This allow you to use 2 crystals as well, having 7 to 9 dex clean on average, as well as 5 to 7 Str clean when using a Str crystal. As with the White Marquini, a Dark Crystal is possible instead of the Str, but the same risk applies. With this glove, you should have between 101 and 103 Dex total, and should scroll the glove for Attack.

On the high end, there is a choice between the Black Skellduke (easier to make) and the Canopus Glove (better stats clean). The Black Skellduke has 3 Str and 4 Dex clean, while the Canopus Glove has 5 Str 5 Dex clean, while also being able to use 3 crystals on it, while the Skellduke only has 2 slots for crystals.

With the Skellduke, the outcome stats range from 6 Str 7 Dex (intermediate) to 8 Str 9 Dex (advanced). Giving an overall total of 123 Dex, enough to use a Reverse/Timeless Equinox. Total Dex with Skellduke 121~124

With the Canopus Glove, overkill ensues with the Dex, but it has other uses with it. With an intermediate set of Str and Dex, the outcome is 8 Str 8 Dex, and advanced gives a whopping 10 Str 10 Dex and is essentially worth its weight in stats. But you have a third slot still to use, giving you the ability to use a Dark Crystal on top of the already added stats. If your luck is good, you could easily make a GLOVE that would rival clean most overalls that are already scrolled! Total Dex with Canopus 122~125


Overall, the main idea of this build is to have the ability to equip the highest lvl knuckle without adding extra Dex beyond the 20 needed to be a pirate. This is essentially a kind of achievement for some, to be able to wear some weapon that would give a nice attack boost with the base Dex you already have. This shows you what could be the best equips to go with to achieve that goal, using Maker to somewhat of its fullest potential along the way to the goal. If you have an awesome attack glove already, then use it, youll only lose a few attack or so from your weapon in its place. Already got a nice 25 dex sauna robe? use it, you will only miss out on the Def as well as extra Str that comes from the pirate overall. This is merely a suggestive thread, not a mandate.



Maple Knuckle Build
I'll skip the spoilers, this is pretty straight forward enough.

LVL 10-60+
Up until LVL 20, you will be able to move along to the current LVL Knuckle, as well as overall and any other job specific equips. Once past LVL 20 though, you cannot equip any higher equips, unless you scroll your overall with Dex. To last until the first maple knuckle at LVL 35, 100%ing the LVL 20 overall, or even a bathrobe will be enough to equip the LVL 30 knuckle. One major benefit to using maple knuckles is the fact that being dexless, you may have some minor issues with ACC. Similar to dexless warriors, the lack of Dex becomes a small problem in higher LVLs when trying to hit stronger monsters. The maple knuckles give a 10 ACC boost for each LVL of knuckle. This build should still need the Dex equips to be able to equip at least the LVL 60 overall. But because you are able to get an ACC boost from the maple knuckles, you scroll the overall for Str, giving yet another major increase to attack. Another good thing about this build, is that it is very easy to switch back to the normal dexless build, just by simply scrolling another overall for Dex and using the highest LVL knuckle you are able to equip.


Edit: I am now assuming this guide/outline as final, but if there is some update down the road that requires a fine tuning of this, then I'll tackle it when it comes.

EndlessAxis
2008-07-17, 01:40 AM
I liked this other then the fact you didn't just list at the end the required equips, I already have all I need to wear the lvl 120 knuckle but i totaly forgot I could scroll a pirate overall instead of my sauna

Eneko
2008-07-17, 01:58 AM
How expensive do you think dexless will be? I dont think im gunna go dexless anyways cuz i wanna look like pirate

Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-17, 05:21 AM
It would be either just as, or slightly less expensive than a dexless warrior, seeing as 1. dex to wear equips is equal to lvl, and 2. theres 20 dex already from the required advancement.

to EndlessAxis: You have 100 total dex from cape, earrings, shoes, and sauna + zhelm? @_@ thatd be like a 15 dex earrings, 15 dex cape, 15 dex shoes, and a 40 dex sauna @_@...unless you somehow planned to get a HT pendant tho.

EndlessAxis
2008-07-17, 08:11 AM
Well Lets put it this way at 120 i'll be wearing a 10str 4 atk pac and not a dex one *wink*

Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-17, 05:02 PM
Dex much @-@

EndlessAxis
2008-07-29, 11:48 PM
this is REALLY odd, this thread should have been stickied by now, it shows a simple , avg funded way to be dexless and these equips are on the low end of things
not to mention nearley no replies

Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-30, 12:02 AM
this is REALLY odd, this thread should have been stickied by now, it shows a simple , avg funded way to be dexless and these equips are on the low end of things
not to mention nearley no replies

whats really funny, is that i had over 500 views on the thread even before there was a single reply, but yea, its so simple and straight forward it should be stickied :@

Russt
2008-07-30, 12:58 AM
I really don't understand these forced dexless builds.

I mean, say you have enough dex to equip your level 60 overall, and you make it 20 dex so you can use a level 80 knuckle..
Couldn't you just add 20 points to dex, grab a level 80 overall (which comes with more str), and make it 20+ str? It'd achieve the same result, and be cheaper too.

Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-30, 01:02 AM
I really don't understand these forced dexless builds.

I mean, say you have enough dex to equip your level 60 overall, and you make it 20 dex so you can use a level 80 knuckle..
Couldn't you just add 20 points to dex, grab a level 80 overall (which comes with more str), and make it 20+ str? It'd achieve the same result, and be cheaper too.

with all the equips you have outside the job scrolled, you can be anywhere from the lvl 50 overall all the way to the 70 overall even. You arnt forced, but using the job overall and staying dexless is a good boost. By adding 20 dex, and getting the 80 overall, you now have 20 less str, and therefore need to scroll for 20 dex, which will cost more once pirates come out because people will have a good reason to scroll for str using a normal/low dex build. But theres a another point to scroll for dex, you need the ACC, pirates are kinda like warriors but have the 20 dex to starts, so more ACC is good.

Russt
2008-07-30, 03:01 AM
Well if you add 20 dex, you get your acc.

And once overall str scrolls become more mainstream, scrolling for str will be a good deal cheaper than scrolling for dex, guaranteed. Cape str is already cheaper (doesn't come with an acc bonus though).

Then again, you're right, you can't apply current logic to pirate equips. When they come out, it'll turn all the relative prices topsy-turvy... I better find myself a good str cape for my sniper soon, until pirates come out and rape their prices.

But I always believe, if getting a certain amount of dex on an equip is harder than getting the same amount of str on it, then just deign to raise your dex. The only thing that has to have dex on it are shoes, earrings, and all-stat equips like zhelm. Cape and overall should go to str if it's cheaper (it is, for now).

Sn1perJohnE
2008-07-30, 11:16 AM
your points are valid, but the dex on the over could provide better ACC. Lets say we were going to get at least 4 30% scrolls onto an overall, to bring it up to the 20 youd have to add to go to the next highest overall as dexless. If scrolling for dex, you will get another 20 dex (16 acc) and 12 pure acc at a current cost of about 6.5 mil per scroll (1 mil per 10%). Now add that to the clean stats of the lvl 60 overall, which adds 1 Dex and 5 Str. If we added the dex and moved to the lvl 80 overall and scrolled for STR, again assuming we can get 4 30%, you get the 20 Str you used in AP for Dex back, which gets added to the 6 Dex that is already on the overall, pluss there is 2 dex on it as well (about 1.6 acc). But the scrolls are whats difficult, overall Str 30%s still havnt found a level price, and will easily be sold from anywhere from 4 mil, up to the 7 mil i have seen in Bello, and 10% are rare, and could easily go for 6 mil+ because they wont break what is being scrolled. So, with the lvl 60 overall scrolled for dex, you could have 21 Dex and 5 Str along with a total of 28.8 acc from it, while having 20 Str added. With the lvl 80 overall scrolled for Str, you would have a total of 26 Str and 2 dex, with about 17.8 total acc added including the 20 dex added to use the overall.

So depending on what the acc issues are like later on, the dexless scrolling may work out to be better, but it may be a good low dex to go to 40 base dex and wear the lvl 80 overall and scroll for at least 20 dex added, you set yourself up to use a lvl 100 knuckle, which is pretty darn good in terms of what is needed to use it.

Shahak
2008-08-30, 07:45 AM
300M is enough for me to open a Dexless (Got nothing yet)?

NoJobNoRules
2008-09-07, 12:31 AM
Shahak, if you plan on going with making a dexless infighter then go ahead and start buying the things that you can now. Earrings are already available as are capes. Put aside the money for a zhelm. You might even look into getting some DEX scrolled Yellow Snowshoes instead of the pirate ones that will come out (they have 3 INT and 3 DEX clean on average, lvl 50 req).

And obviously you can get the attack glove now, depending on what you want to aim for. If you have a higher leveled character, you might try hunting Flamekeeper Cordons and then scrolling one of those for 8-10 attack. One of those and a zhelm + the DEX from your other things should have you set for accuracy.

Sniper, nice guide, although I don't know about "ultimate dexless infighter equips". There are some things, like the YSS and Flamekeepers that could be considered way more. And then you have facestompers and yea. You get the idea. :s


Very nice guide either way though.

Shahak
2008-09-11, 09:05 AM
Is there anyway i can be like a semi-dexless? or is it low dex...
I mean if i make a reagular Pirate and in lvl 50 i got a +6 DEX Cape... in the next level can if i raise only STR will i be stronger :f6:? Or does it means that untill lvl 56 (DEX equal level -unsure-) i can raise only STR will it make me stronger o_O? .. i;m confused... :f6: :eek:
p.s
Sorry about my English... I;m from somewhere else...

alwzn4vr
2008-09-11, 02:25 PM
Is there anyway i can be like a semi-dexless? or is it low dex...
I mean if i make a reagular Pirate and in lvl 50 i got a +6 DEX Cape... in the next level can if i raise only STR will i be stronger :f6:? Or does it means that untill lvl 56 (DEX equal level -unsure-) i can raise only STR will it make me stronger o_O? .. i;m confused... :f6: :eek:
p.s
Sorry about my English... I;m from somewhere else...


The amount of DEX determines what knuckle you can equip. The knuckles have a requirement of DEX that is equal to that knuckle's level. E.g. a level 40 knuckle requires 40 DEX.
But.. just as thieves need 25 DEX for their first job advancement, pirates need 20 DEX for theirs. Therefore, equipping a level 40 knuckle while staying 'dexless' means that you have to get 20 more DEX from your gear.

This is the same concept as dexless thiefs who wear DEX gear but never raise their base DEX to wear claws or daggers. It's not truly 'dexless' since thieves and pirates cannot reset their DEX to 4.

Then there are also 'maple' knuckles with no DEX requirements. To use those is just like pure luk thieves. You put all you AP into your primary stat. In the infighter's case that would be STR. The highest known maple knuckle is the level 64 one. Keep in mind that there are more options to scroll for DEX than there is for STR.

To the OP:

maybe you can add what equipment options are useful at major levels because people need to keep in mind that at first you don't need a huge DEX boost as infighters start with 20 DEX. So at level 20 no DEX bonuses are required to equip. A more detailed set of equipment options would make this closer to an 'ultimate' guide.

Maybe some common strategies used by other 'dexless' classes such as stacking requirements to get to the final weapon requirement.

e.g. at level 50 we need 50 DEX. We have a +20 DEX level 30 robe that requires 30 DEX. We have base 20 so we need 10 more DEX. 5 DEX earrings and a 5 DEX raggedy cape are equipped to equip the robe which then is used to equip the knuckle.

Shahak
2008-09-13, 04:40 AM
The amount of DEX determines what knuckle you can equip. The knuckles have a requirement of DEX that is equal to that knuckle's level. E.g. a level 40 knuckle requires 40 DEX.
But.. just as thieves need 25 DEX for their first job advancement, pirates need 20 DEX for theirs. Therefore, equipping a level 40 knuckle while staying 'dexless' means that you have to get 20 more DEX from your gear.

This is the same concept as dexless thiefs who wear DEX gear but never raise their base DEX to wear claws or daggers. It's not truly 'dexless' since thieves and pirates cannot reset their DEX to 4.

Then there are also 'maple' knuckles with no DEX requirements. To use those is just like pure luk thieves. You put all you AP into your primary stat. In the infighter's case that would be STR. The highest known maple knuckle is the level 64 one. Keep in mind that there are more options to scroll for DEX than there is for STR.

To the OP:

maybe you can add what equipment options are useful at major levels because people need to keep in mind that at first you don't need a huge DEX boost as infighters start with 20 DEX. So at level 20 no DEX bonuses are required to equip. A more detailed set of equipment options would make this closer to an 'ultimate' guide.

Maybe some common strategies used by other 'dexless' classes such as stacking requirements to get to the final weapon requirement.

e.g. at level 50 we need 50 DEX. We have a +20 DEX level 30 robe that requires 30 DEX. We have base 20 so we need 10 more DEX. 5 DEX earrings and a 5 DEX raggedy cape are equipped to equip the robe which then is used to equip the knuckle.

Oh wow Ty very very much!

That means that in lvl 110 i need 110 DEX?
Wow that will be hard to get...

oh 1 more question..
what Low dex means?

Edit:
What i'm trying to say is..
If I'm for example lvl 50... and got enough DEX equips (For example 8 DEX Cape&shoes 25 DEX overall) Can i raise to DEX if i dont Got enough DEX equips for next level? Is that low DEX?

alwzn4vr
2008-09-13, 10:55 AM
Oh wow Ty very very much!

That means that in lvl 110 i need 110 DEX?
Wow that will be hard to get...

oh 1 more question..
what Low dex means?

Edit:
What i'm trying to say is..
If I'm for example lvl 50... and got enough DEX equips (For example 8 DEX Cape&shoes 25 DEX overall) Can i raise to DEX if i dont Got enough DEX equips for next level? Is that low DEX?

Yes low dex would be anytime you need to add to your base dex in order to equip a knuckle. The same principle applies to low str gunslingers. They can wear enough str gear to equip their guns.

Stereo
2008-09-13, 11:29 AM
Depending what order things are released, it's also worth considering that the Maker skill can add 1-5 dex clean to any pirate equip. With class overall, shoes, and hat, this can give you from around 5-10 extra dex even under level 50 and without scrolling.

I think you should also mention that the 50 claw only needs 30 equipped dex, your gear adds 40+ meaning it's more than necessary. A Zakum helmet and 100% scrolled overall leave you at 25-27 dex from those two items alone, and you can probably get a shoe for the rest pretty cheaply. Alternately, you could go with 8 dex cape, 14 dex overall, 3 dex shoe, and 3 dex Bamboo hat or similar, if the Zakum Helmet is too costly.

Dusk
2008-09-13, 01:28 PM
You don't need the accuracy from overall dex. Dexless warriors can get by with top/bottoms and overall STR if they have enough accuracy. Infighters have a good 40 or more accuracy from passive skills; they'll be fine.

Sn1perJohnE
2008-09-16, 08:30 PM
hehe, i wasnt even sure if anyone would post in this guide after the last post a while ago.

a few things.

to alwzn4vr: I believe i do have the equipment options needed at lower LVLs. Read the LVL 50-60, and 70+, it has the major things needed.

to Stereo: The the overall adds 10 dex when 100%ed, if there was a different type of scroll used, then there would be exactly what is needed. But it is still not bad to have extra dex added, as some of the equips other than the overall may be used continuously and not changed out for a better equip later on.

To Dusk (above post): The dex from overalls is mainly for the ability to equip higher lvl knuckles. Now, if you were to have a godly claw that could be good into later LVLs, then i would suggest that if you can, swtich out the dex overall for a str overall. But the best time to be able to do this would be once you have a +1 HT pendant, because you would have ~22 dex.


As for new items that have come outs recently, ill review my guide and add the options into the right sections.


Thanks for reading, and thanks for the comments.

Shahak
2008-10-13, 04:41 AM
Umm on Tempus's pirate equips guide, It shows that the knuckels require the same lvl they are + 5
I mean,
lvl 30 knuckle = 35 DEX
lvl 70 = 75 DEX

WolvenZX
2008-10-18, 08:38 PM
I really don't understand these forced dexless builds.

I mean, say you have enough dex to equip your level 60 overall, and you make it 20 dex so you can use a level 80 knuckle..
Couldn't you just add 20 points to dex, grab a level 80 overall (which comes with more str), and make it 20+ str? It'd achieve the same result, and be cheaper too.

this is true, but you're forgetting about the extra str you'd get from MW by having a higher base str

Sn1perJohnE
2008-11-12, 06:55 PM
Umm on Tempus's pirate equips guide, It shows that the knuckels require the same lvl they are + 5
I mean,
lvl 30 knuckle = 35 DEX
lvl 70 = 75 DEX

going from data on the MTS trade system for the knuckles, all of them were DEX = LVL

Simpiyluk
2008-11-22, 06:44 AM
Thanks this helped me out alot, or else i was ----> :f6: .

Sn1perJohnE
2008-11-22, 05:58 PM
Thanks this helped me out alot, or else i was ----> :f6: .

haha good to hear, i may need to update it with some new info also, but for now its good as is.

ZottenKerel
2009-03-04, 06:25 PM
I would highly recommend using a Pumpkin spear at 25, till about 35 or even 40. Kicking the pineapple out of things at CPQ is all the easier+the extra acc is a godsent. Another non-con about it is that mastery has not yet kicked in to make you disadvantaged for not using a knuckle.

Sn1perJohnE
2009-03-04, 06:50 PM
I would highly recommend using a Pumpkin spear at 25, till about 35 or even 40. Kicking the pineapple out of things at CPQ is all the easier+the extra acc is a godsent. Another non-con about it is that mastery has not yet kicked in to make you disadvantaged for not using a knuckle.

i may include these ideas of training without knuckles until later on, but the main idea of this thread was what equips to use as a dexless brawler, in that you wear this and this and this, to be able to wear this knuckle. So spears and such foor training would go into a training suggestion type thread, thanks tho. :D

ZottenKerel
2009-03-04, 07:13 PM
i may include these ideas of training without knuckles until later on, but the main idea of this thread was what equips to use as a dexless brawler, in that you wear this and this and this, to be able to wear this knuckle. So spears and such foor training would go into a training suggestion type thread, thanks tho. :D

I see, I jsut figured using the spear would noot only support dexless better, it would also allow you to not have to look at your equips for about 10~15lvs, making it easier to save up for better equips? But yeah, I get what you're trying to do, still your thread, hehe.

Sn1perJohnE
2009-03-05, 12:46 AM
you really dont need to worry about your equips until you get around 45ish, since most people are going to be in CPQ. If you 100% the lvl 20 overall, yer already set for a good while, and a cheap dex cape is good too. But i do support using a spear or another high at common equip til you train better with knuckles.

Flaxative
2009-04-05, 10:58 AM
Couldn't Infighters use weapons besides knuckles? Such as roses or fish spears? They are slower, but provide much more damage. Nowadays, they don't cost too much to get either.

Dusk
2009-04-05, 01:58 PM
Couldn't Infighters use weapons besides knuckles? Such as roses or fish spears? They are slower, but provide much more damage. Nowadays, they don't cost too much to get either.

Why does this thread get necro'd every 1-2 months? Look at when this thread was created.

StringStrider
2009-08-04, 02:09 PM
:f6: If youre ever short 2 or 3 dex, just add it. all statiless end with maxed primary and 23 secondary (cept sins are 25/997)

modular
2009-08-04, 02:15 PM
:f6: If youre ever short 2 or 3 dex, just add it. all statiless end with maxed primary and 23 secondary (cept sins are 25/997)

go for 22 so your base str ends in a 0 or 5 and adds 1 more from mw19 a level earlier than it would with 23 dex.

Sn1perJohnE
2009-08-04, 04:16 PM
:f6: If youre ever short 2 or 3 dex, just add it. all statiless end with maxed primary and 23 secondary (cept sins are 25/997)

The guide is set up for people who may not get to 200 but may want to be dexless. I really should look into updating it with new equips >_> but, laziness

MasPan
2009-08-04, 04:19 PM
Couldn't Infighters use weapons besides knuckles? Such as roses or fish spears? They are slower, but provide much more damage. Nowadays, they don't cost too much to get either.

Roses are actually normal speed, so they're pretty decent.

Sn1perJohnE
2009-09-09, 05:22 AM
Guide/outline has been revised slightly, as well as added a new Maker section. The equips are hierarchical in manner, but still get the job done effectively.

ZottenKerel
2009-10-01, 04:24 PM
Dexless using Red Belly Duke and Dragon Slash Claw. ^_^

Sn1perJohnE
2009-10-01, 05:47 PM
You must have a godly helm, and awesome cape, shoes, and earrings :O

ZottenKerel
2009-10-08, 08:19 PM
You must have a godly helm, and awesome cape, shoes, and earrings :O

Just 1 dex on cape and shoes together. My mask es awfull and im using a clean red belt, and only 1 aura ring, so I could even go for reverse without too much trouble, methinks. But yeah, it's not basic pirate gear, most likely.