Legitimacy when it comes to leeching?

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Out of curiosity, what are everyone's views upon leeching? When I say leeching, I meant afk'ing in one single spot while having a 4th job ArchMage or Bishop spamming at:

-Wolf Spiders
-Newties
-Skelegons
-Harps
-And so on.

In doing so, the person paying (by mesos) for the service gets a godly EXP rate per hour, and the Bishop/ArchMage gets mesos per hour, which lets them able to afford their potions, so they can train.

I know a couple friends that are against it, especially some of my Bishop friends because they say that we're not helping the current generation of Maplers by spoiling them, secondly, it makes the 4th job AMs/Bishops looks bad.

Where as other Bishops that I know, would argue against that and say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, because most people can't afford potions to train, and it's a good way to make Mesos?

At first, I was against it. Now I'm just neutral, because it's hard to just pick a side. -shrugs-

Also, Nexon said that it was legit to leech, as long as you're not paying actual money for it. But users can think differently, so what's everyone else's opinions on this matter? I'd like to read some if you have anything good and reasonable to type about.

[Mark]

I think it's just the lazy ass route to 120. But if I had the connections I'd probably leech too.

[Stereo]

I'm against players that do it being listed on the rankings.

Don't mind if they do it, but they shouldn't get ranks for it.

[Corn]

Botting: Yes.
Regular old grinding: No.

I do think it should be a heck of a lot more expensive, though.

It's your own money...plus, when you do reach a high level, you'll probably be too lazy and quit.

[NoJobNoRules]

Not to mention the fact that anyone who does leech will have no freaking clue how to play their own character effectively, so they will probably fail at really training when they need to and quit. Not to mention the fact that they'll suck at bossing and be idiotic about it. <_<

[silverquiver]

As most people are, I'm indifferent. Let them leech and let them gain their "high" levels. It's an incredible waste of mesos in the end. The only thing they are doing is speeding up the process.

[Worthyness]

I don't really mind. If people wanna waste their playing experience be my guest. Of course i can't say this either because my ranger leeches too =P

I get free leech, so it's not that big of a deal to me (and if you say i haven't learned to play my character, I'll tell you I played my character for a good 107 levels before i started leeching.)

Yes the process is sped up. I get a LOT better % per hour leeching than if i were training by myself. 20-24% per hour is really good compared to my measley 12-15% per hour solo...

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Very interesting responses, now to the readers, how do you feel about the person that is selling the leeching services? Would that be legit?

[Cyanne]

I think less of people who leech their way through levels, but I don't catagorize them with hackers/glitchers. However, if someone already has a non-leeched character higher level than the character he or she is leeching, then I think it's totally fine.

[»-Chris->]

What if I leech MYSELF at anegos/skeles? =]

[kIkO]

Well I'm against leechers, I see lvl 13x, 14x shadowers or dark knights buying leech

There's really high level people leeching, like bawble (19x dark knight)getting leeched by two bishops or his wife(mollypop 19x archmage) and a bishop or just her, I think this is pretty sad, but this is my opinion

It's like sharing accounts to get trained by someone else, I'm against it as well

[Kasey]

I'm not for paying someone to leech your character for you, but I guess that's kind of what I did getting my bishop to it's level in a few weeks.

However, I leeched myself with other high level accounts that I had access to from guild, lol.

I leeched Kaseys at skelegons with a Power Guard HP warrior from level 30 til about 70. Then I leeched zakum on 2x til around 90. Then I actually trained at himes for a little until I leeched myself at newties, haha. x]

I know how to play bishop characters though. And I didn't pay anyone to leech me. Me and my boyfriend just AFK'd our characters on the rope of skelegons and he went on the HP warrior and powerguarded, while I followed healing him on a 17x bishop that was able to 1-hit skelegons. Then I would just genesis. I did this until level 120 on my bishop, at which point it had enough genesis to 3 hit skelegons, so I was able to train there from 120+ until I got lazy, lol.

I guess you could say it was "wrong" to do this because I had an unfair advantage over other players. But I was on the bishop leeching myself, for hours and hours and hours.... So It's not like I don't know how to play the class, and It's not like I'm not doing all the work, hehe. :]

[Laur]

Wasn't there already a giant debate/discussion on this? http://www.southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1693&highlight=leeching

[butterfλi]

If you aren't gonna be playing, why are you 'playing'?

[kIkO]

If you aren't gonna be playing, why are you 'playing'?

This is FULL of win

[»-Chris->]

This is FULL of win
Quitter ihu. Err... So any complaints to leeching yourself? f3 I'd still be the one playing I guess! ;D

[kIkO]

Quitter ihu. Err... So any complaints to leeching yourself? f3 I'd still be the one playing I guess! ;D

Leeching yourself is WIN also F3

[Splinter]

Im against selling it and what not, but if its your own character or you're just helping a friend who needs some EXP but cant afford it, its fine to me. :] When my bros comp is fixed ill be leeching to lv60 with my arch mage + fp wizard so that i can get max PB *i went FA medi max tele, 60mp is way too much* and then ill be training @ DTs. By 60 ill have : zhelm 6/11 earrings a 10int cape and prolly 3int12 speed YSS.. :] so yeah leeching is totally cool.

I do believe that people are becoming more idiotic, and as you said, spoiling is no good. The other day I was doing a quest in herb town and a buddy i met in CPQ comes online and is like, where u train. i said herb town ~i was training~ he asked where it was and i said take the Hak bird to mu lung then herb town. he said how?

theres too many PQs these days, people who are not rich will most likely quit their characters at/before 70, maybe 100 if they enjoy PPQ. Leeching is fine as someone else said if you have a respectable-leveled char. *at least 100 so you kno what hardkor is like* :] i have an arch mage so i get free =p

[TheSmartGuy]

I am totally for it because it's probably the only way I'll ever reach level 100.

[MariaColette]

I'm normally against it... however, I've been offered help from a friend of mine to let me leech off of him until I got to the level I got hacked on. In that case, I'm somewhat neutral but I'll most likely not go for it and just train my way back up there. I got up there once, I can do it again, right?

Selling leech, I'm against that. That's like paying someone to give you EXP while you sit around, really. It just looks like another reason to say that you need money to get far. :|

Question, though; I was told about doing this as well but I don't know if it counts as leeching or not. Arrow Raining on Himes to aggro them to a corner while a Bishop spams Genesis; would that count as leeching since you're not doing the actual killing or would it not since you're actually doing some kind of work?

[Kawasari Mimoto]

I'm normally against it... however, I've been offered help from a friend of mine to let me leech off of him until I got to the level I got hacked on. In that case, I'm somewhat neutral but I'll most likely not go for it and just train my way back up there. I got up there once, I can do it again, right?

Selling leech, I'm against that. That's like paying someone to give you EXP while you sit around, really. It just looks like another reason to say that you need money to get far. :|

Question, though; I was told about doing this as well but I don't know if it counts as leeching or not. Arrow Raining on Himes to aggro them to a corner while a Bishop spams Genesis; would that count as leeching since you're not doing the actual killing or would it not since you're actually doing some kind of work?

AR'ing Himes and running to a Bishop for them to Gen is considered luring. I'd consider that a form of leeching if you're not doing the majority of the work, but then again.. if that was the case, would being in a party and not doing more damage (or gaining more EXP than your party members) be considered as leeching then..? Lol...

Honestly, it's hard to answer your question. ;x

[FinalHeart]

The person who's paying, no, it's cheap and lazy.
On the person who's getting money, it's fine.

[IcyGreenTea]

I am against leeching, in any sense, unless it's your own characters you are leeching, and you know perfectly fine how to play later on when you get to higher levels. Otherwise, you are just gonna quit sooner than you would have if you didn't leech.

[Loose]

I think it's the same as prostitution. Unless you're doing it to yourself, then it's just masturbation. : /

[Azuma]

I'm fine with leeching alltogether, buying leeching with NX is pretty much selling NX which is against NEXON ToS, which will cause you to lose your legitimacy. But, if you're paying mesos for experience, it's equal. Equivalent Exchange.

[Hotshot]

I'm really not a fan of leeching, but I'm kind of ok with it. I do think less of people who leech their way to higher levels, but it's not like I wouldn't be friends with them or anything. As for the people that only train when leeching someone, I also think a bit less of them, but they're inbetween normal players and people who buy the leech. There wouldn't be any sellers if there wouldn't be any buyers.

Now what I think is really sad is high leveled chars leeching. When I see a leecher that's higher-leveled than the bishop (or whatever) that is training them, I just go "ick", especially when they're from the same guild, because it feels to be like said AoE spammer is just being exploited and actually has his or her own exp rates reduced instead of increased.

[Clint]

It all depends on the situation. For the leecher, it's all good, in any case. For the leeched though, it depends. If you have a character that's already a higher level, I see no problem. Otherwise, they shouldn't be leeching. Also, if they have like 2x or whatever but have something really important to do, I guess that's OK. But if they just leech all the time, and they don't have a higher level character I think that's just lazy, and wrong. Leeching yourself is a great idea. If I had an AM/Bishop I'd do that for sure. In any case, it doesn't matter to me. People can play their character however they want, it doesn't make the slightest difference to me. I will get annoyed, however, if someone who just leeched all the way to 4th goes around calling people noobs. That's just stupidity.

[CryFear]

It is against the rules. I quote: "Exploit the Software, Cash Items or the Service for any commercial purpose, including the provision of "power leveling" services;" take from the Terms of Use on nexon.net.

4th job mages (or any job, for that matter) that let lower level jobs leech to help them train faster without them doing anything, but only providing mesos is a SERVICE. The 4th job mages are power leveling them, and according to that, it is against the rules.

[DarkestTempest]

If people leech, be my guest. I don't really give much of a damn either way. THey're the ones that are wasting money and time, and the mages get their money, so who cares.

I myself will never leech (to me, leeching is basically not doing ANY work while someone levels me, so I'm fine with mere PARTYING with 4th job mages), but you know, it's just me. I don't care enough about leechers to hold them against it.

[Trystan28]

It is against the rules. I quote: "Exploit the Software, Cash Items or the Service for any commercial purpose, including the provision of "power leveling" services;" take from the Terms of Use on nexon.net.

4th job mages (or any job, for that matter) that let lower level jobs leech to help them train faster without them doing anything, but only providing mesos is a SERVICE. The 4th job mages are power leveling them, and according to that, it is against the rules.

By "commercial purposes" I think they refer almost explicitly to people who would be paying real world currency for someone to train their character, or allow them to leech. The act of leeching itself as was stated earlier in this thread is allowed. Providing mesos is no different than providing potions, or any other trade of in game items you could come up with (Other than NX, which is illegal).

I've never been a fan of letting others do the work for you. And I don't allow leechers in my parties. I get party requests from low level players all the time in the Ant Tunnel when they see my lvl 30 Spearman Slash Blast everything in her path. I'm all for partying up, but I would expect the party members to contribute, preferably by finding a spot on the map of their own to keep the spawns going. I mean, the whole purpose of the party system isn't for half the party to be AFK and still gain EXP, it was intended for gaining extra EXP than you would in the same amount of time by yourself because EVERYONE is working together.

[MasPan]

Completely against, especially where money is concerned.
-It crowds popular or lucrative training spots, which is unfair to those who may wish to actually train there.
-It allows mages to train at insane rates by funding ultimate spamming (I don't get the impression that the attacks were meant to be spammed to the exclusion of everything else when training, simply as a way to occasionally boost exp when Infinity was active)
-It presents highly unfair (double or greater exp rates) advantages to players with large amounts of money or good connections to high level players, to the point of some players being able to reach mid-3rd job in less than 3 days (note the high level pirates), while those that actually train usually take at least 2 months

[Jormungandr]

I personally don't mind people leeching for like a couple levels or so, especially to get through hell levels. But when people constantly ask for leeching, that pisses me off. I really don't like the people who leeched their whole third job basically. A couple levels is fine, but 30-50? Come on. there are times you can train faster then you leech. :hothead:

I don't sell leeching, the only leeching I do is with a priest at newties, because HS actually gives me more exp then soloing would.

[0mgP1r4tes]

Its completely legit

And Im sorry. But most of us have already sat and "earned" a 4th job character through countless hours of grinding. I for one refuse to go through that crap again

[modular]

if people want to not play the game like it was meant to be played, ill just disrespect them with a "you silly leecher" retort.

[Hazzy]

Cheap, lazy, arguably immoral, but still legit. o_0
Takes the fun out of leveling, in my opinion, but it's not my call how other people enjoy the game. (to a reasonable extent :>)

[Rascal]

This is the way i see it, the people who want to be leeched pay mesos, which they probably have gained from a different character. Most likely if they are paying for the leech they've already completed the lvl 12x milestone once, why do it all over again? If you proved you could do it once, why should you have to prove to do it again? Besides i know at least 95 percent of people here in their hearts if a bishop/archmage came up to them and ask if they wanted to leech a character they'd say yes.

I can't help but wonder if NEXON will catch up to this way of leeching and start putting experience points in bundles into cash shop for you to buy LOL. Just like they did with mesos.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

I've read a lot of responses here, some are very intriguing, some made very good points, and I've seen some rather dumb replies too. >_>; Anyways, it's been a while since I posted this thread, and leeching has gone to the point where almost everyone does it now, sadly. <_< -did not leeched to get his NL-.

Leeching's actually destroying the game though, whether it's legit at this point or not..

[GMSInfighter]

I really don't think ANYTHING is legit in this game.

Everything's become a business. People sell leech, haste, zakum helmets, HT pendants, etc. Merchanters, hackers, and KSers have ruined this game. It's just horrible that I can't train anymore!

Maple's gonna become Wall Street soon.

[ZachAttack]

I think it's completely idiotic to leech, but that's just my opinion.

[bio9205]

Botting: Yes.
Regular old grinding: No.

I do think it should be a heck of a lot more expensive, though.

It's your own money...plus, when you do reach a high level, you'll probably be too lazy and quit.

My take on leeching is, the money u use to leech is ur hard-earned mesos unless u gached or something. I leeched from 90 to 100 before regular training... And i used the mesos i earned. So what i feel is that u put effort into getting ur mesos. It's just like transferring it into EXP.


Maple's gonna become Wall Street soon.

It already is...

[Tykian]

I'll be honest, I leeched a couple levels in early 6x, just under 3. To me, I can already play my character fine, and im not leeching all the way up, but now that i've played my character around and leveled it a bunch, I know all my skills ill use for training now, so I'm more interested to get to 3rd job skills. I doubt I'll leech anymore though, its expensive.

[Hazzy]

Not to mention the fact that anyone who does leech will have no freaking clue how to play their own character effectively, so they will probably fail at really training when they need to and quit. Not to mention the fact that they'll suck at bossing and be idiotic about it. <_<

Only if 1)they're morons or 2) they leech from 30 to 120.
I think there's plenty of people who could pick up a 4th job character and handle it well in less than a week. Most of the people too moronic to do that probably don't have the money to leech most of their levels. :f6: I really doubt most leechers leech from 70 to 120 without training at all. Not saying no one does, but I doubt they're a majority.

[Kabanaw]

Only if 1)they're morons or 2) they leech from 30 to 120.
I think there's plenty of people who could pick up a 4th job character and handle it well in less than a week. Most of the people too moronic to do that probably don't have the money to leech most of their levels. :f6: I really doubt most leechers leech from 70 to 120 without training at all. Not saying no one does, but I doubt they're a majority.

Yeah, some only leech from 70-119 with 99.98% :o

But seriously, if someone wants to leech a few levels, that's fine. But if your leeching for 20 levels + that's rediculous.

[ItzTaylor]

Leeching is legit.

That's like saying partying and sharing exp is illegit.

People just stand against it because they believe you should earn your levels.

I believe you should play the game you want, leech if you want to leech, don't if you don't want to, but don't look down on other who leeched, because you could have too. And if you couldn't leech cause 4th job wasn't out, Power to ya, been there done that.

[Bribery]

Leeching is legit. Period.

I have no problems with those who leech for a few reasons:

- It's not cheap. If they've spent the time or NX (by NX, I mean used gach/mts/meso bag to earn meso, not offering NX to buy leech) to earn the meso for it, they've at least put some effort into the game.

- If they never trained their character at all from 30-120, they're probably going to find out that they don't like the character and thus wasted time/meso leeching.

- Some people (myself included) already have a 4th job character and don't wish to do the same thing over again. Some people also have access to a Bishop/Arch Mage that they can use to leech themselves.


I admit, I did leech most of the levels on my Corsair but I used my Bishop to do it. It took me about 2 years to reach level 120 on my Bishop and I was level 130 when 4th job came out. I didn't want to go through that crap again. Plus, there were a few times where a friend was willing to train me using my Bishop so in those instances I was attacking on my Pirate. I can control my character just fine and I'm enjoying every moment on it.

Maple Story is a fun game but it is really repetitive. I can see why people want to leech through a few levels because it simply gets boring at times.

[KissMark]

I was against leeching at first because all the bishops weren't really training. It was pretty frustrating looking for a bishop to train with but then again I realized if you're already 17x there's really no point of training anymore unless you plan on leveling to 200.

The people who spam smegas "B>LEECH" are the ones who are annoying and the people who are leeching at level 14x, that's just shameful. I'm against them:f7:.

[Tamillan]

I dont understand why people dont like leeching. I mean whats the difference between training and leeching? Leeching you are afk and training you are not. If people could afford leeching go for it. If people want to earn mesos by selling leech, thats fine too. There is nothing wrong in buying or selling leech. It isn't like your hacking or scaming or using bad language. You are just afking and people are training you. Thats it! Thats all!

[Harrisonized]

LoL, I was just reading another anti-leeching thread and since I found this thread, I'll ask here too:

What's so morally wrong about leeching. Even if it is, if it happens, it happens. Prostitution happens and it might be morally wrong, but you and the prostitute are different people thus what gives you the right to stop that person from being a prostitute?

[Kabanaw]

I'm just gunna say this right now:

Trading in-game items and currency for leeching- legit, but I still don't like it.

Trading NX for leech - illigit because you're trading NX for a service, which I believe is against the ToS.

And as for not having to get a character up to 120 again: Why would you find getting to 120 so bothersome? I love leveling up my secondary characters. Seeing their damage get higher and their skills get better just makes me happy :f2:

[Deviant]

LoL, I was just reading another anti-leeching thread and since I found this thread, I'll ask here too:

What's so morally wrong about leeching. Even if it is, if it happens, it happens. Prostitution happens and it might be morally wrong, but you and the prostitute are different people thus what gives you the right to stop that person from being a prostitute?

Nothing is wrong with leeching so long as the mesos used within the transaction are legit, the only people who really have a problem with it for the most part are pppl2pass people. Anyway, while it isnt the way the game should be played, its technically not against the terms of service, and since that is the constitution by which Maplestory is run, people cant just go setting up their own guidelines of whats legit and what isnt.


Edit;


In short;




Trading in-game items and currency for leeching- legit, but I still don't like it.




lol

[Devil]

All you have to do these days to get to lvl 120+ is:

Assuming you get 50% per hour Genesis leeching -on avg with 2x exp- (lvl 70~120), which is rather low...:
- 50 levels (lvl 70~120) * 2 = 100 hours
- Total proces takes you 100 hours = 100*5m = 500m mesos
- Meso/NX ratio is about 1/4, so you need 125k NX

- 100/4 (hours of 2x exp) = 25 days
- Buy 1x a 30 day 2x exp card - 19k nx

Total cost of getting to lvl 120 = 125+119 = 144k NX

You'll get there in less then 1 month.

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If you use a 2x exp event to leech, the price will only be like 75+19= 94k NX

Euro / Dollar is 1.3844

94/1.3844 = 68 Euro's to get yourself leeched from 70~120 while afking and watching movies for two weeks...

That's quite cheap...

(For those who didn't get it, this post was meant sarcasticly)

[Blake]

I don't really mind either way. Every so often I help friends by leeching them for a little bit. The other day I helped one get from 78-80 during the 2x event. She wanted to wear her new Sword, and I was bored. So I agreed to help her out. It was only a couple hours, and I made a few Mesos even without her paying me.

[Thunda]

Trading in-game items and currency for leeching- legit, but I still don't like it.

Trading NX for leech - illigit because you're trading NX for a service, which I believe is against the ToS.

Sorry if this is semi-necroposting, but-

NX = mesos now. Even though technically, in the ToS, NX for services is illegit, you can buy mesos with NX now, so what's the point?

[alwzn4vr]

First off, some comments in this thread make it sound like everyone who leeches won't know how to play this game at higher levels. That's a bit silly as we don't know if the leecher already has a high level char. He/she might even be leeching their own char.

Frankly leeching is deemed to be legit by Nexon. Therefore if you choose to leech and you're paying with legitimately earned/paid mesos then good for you.

I realize that a lot of long time players may get annoyed that these players haven't spent [insert arbitrarily long time frame] grinding to 4th job on [insert old school map/mob like Z4] but that's the way the game has evolved.

If you're an archmage/bishop selling leech, again good for you. This game is enough of a grindfest, the faster you get people leveled up the sooner they can start bossing which is really the key part in maple. (For me anyways)

[Derimed]

I am not going to lie, when I make a new character, I'll use my Bishop to leech him as much as possible. However, since it's me grinding and leeching my own character, I don't think anyone will complain, and if they do that's just wonderful. :XD

[Berzerk]

I'll do what I want with me mesos, and you do what you want with yours. Thank you very much. =]

Regarding weather or not it's "legit" in other peoples eyes, I couldn't give a shit what people think of what I'm doing. :P

[Derimed]

I'll do what I want with me mesos, and you do what you want with yours. Thank you very much. =]

Regarding weather or not it's "legit" in other peoples eyes, I couldn't give a pomegranate what people think of what I'm doing. :P

Well, that's true of everyone, but it gets a bit annoying when some of the legits start calling you names. In other words you get drama, which is really the fastest way to stop having fun in Maple.

In this case I agree... as long as you earned your mesos in a manner other than hacking or scamming, (or something derived from it,) if you're buying leech people should leave you alone.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Well, that's true of everyone, but it gets a bit annoying when some of the legits start calling you names. In other words you get drama, which is really the fastest way to stop having fun in Maple.

In this case I agree... as long as you earned your mesos in a manner other than hacking or scamming, (or something derived from it,) if you're buying leech people should leave you alone.

Drama is so easily startable it's not even funny. You can just go to someone and say "Your guild hacks/scams" or just swear at them, and it'll start drama.

Just brush it off if people start calling you names.

[Trystan28]

I am not going to lie, when I make a new character, I'll use my Bishop to leech him as much as possible. However, since it's me grinding and leeching my own character, I don't think anyone will complain, and if they do that's just wonderful. :XD

That to me, isn't such a problem because their YOUR characters, YOU are the one doing the work. It's the ones who pay for 8-10 hours of leech while they're at school that bug me. The ones who one day you're congratulating on making 3rd job, and a day later, they're nearing 100. :\

It really just drives a further wedge between the super-funded and the unfunded.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

I just get it off friends or do it myself with my chars/friend chars. Never afk though or maybe once or twice.

[Dusk]

I've never pure leeched. That is, I've never gone afk and let my character sit there for a few hours gaining exp. When I was at Harps for half a level, I looted all the drops to save my friend some cash. When I was at Red Wyverns for 4 hours, I killed and froze the bottom to keep the spawn up at the top. Cost me a bit more, but got some extra exp.

I don't have a enough of a problem with leechers to harass them or say anything about it, but I do tend to take their opinions on where to train or how to build a character less seriously. Even people who have already made 4th job characters, myself included, don't necessarily know how to play a new class.

[Conciente]

Leeching is worse than hacking. At least, true hacking requires skills and your presence at the keyboard. People whine about hackers at HT but at least they are providing a huge amount of weapons and skill books for everyone... but what are the leechers doing?

[Styles]

^levelig up to a decent no leachable lvl and quit? or cry out loud that training is soo hard
or go to hhg1 and show off!~:D

[Deviant]

Leeching is worse than hacking. At least, true hacking requires skills and your presence at the keyboard. People whine about hackers at HT but at least they are providing a huge amount of weapons and skill books for everyone... but what are the leechers doing?

While I see where you're coming from, allow me to say this.

Hackers have totally destroyed the Maple-economy, 95% of leechers are buying with legit mesos probably. It will take over a year before hunting ilbis/steelys actually becomes profitable again after hackers disappear. And dont even get me started on Ores with JQ hackers.

Hackers are taking up more maps than leechers, sure leechers take Newt maps, but if they didnt the archmages/bishops that are training them would do it anyway. Nobody can train at Wolf Spiders, Himes, Singapore ghost ship, or any of that.

Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone. Unless you are crazy about rankings, then leechers are pretty harmless overall, do I like them? Not really. But I wouldnt go so far as to say they're worse than hackers. More HT drops on the market is nice, but for all the wrong reasons, those only come from HT for a reason, they're supposed to be rare.

[Findings]

Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone.

You are wrong. In servers with low population the change in the game since leeching came about is obvious. Arch Mages/Bishops will not train with non leechers. Non-ultimate classes will not train, period. People that play the game have very few people to play with because training or putting any effort into the game is looked down upon. It has vastly diminished the experience of the game since training is pretty much the entire game.

Hacking and leeching both ruin the game for people that play correctly. I don't think one is worse than the other and it's not something you can really compare, but I do know that leeching has had much more of a widespread negative effect on the entire community in Mardia than hacking ever has.

[Trystan28]

You are wrong. In servers with low population the change in the game since leeching came about is obvious. Arch Mages/Bishops will not train with non leechers. Non-ultimate classes will not train, period. People that play the game have very few people to play with because training or putting any effort into the game is looked down upon. It has vastly diminished the experience of the game since training is pretty much the entire game.

Hacking and leeching both ruin the game for people that play correctly. I don't think one is worse than the other and it's not something you can really compare, but I do know that leeching has had much more of a widespread negative effect on the entire community in Mardia than hacking ever has.

Quoted for Absolute Truth. My experiences in Demethos have been this in a nutshell. I mean, there's a reason why, even after a hefty round of hacker banning, the top players are by a wide margin, bishops. I have been in three different guilds, all decent, active, good people... and all of the leaders of said guilds buy leech. In massive quantities. I sorta went on my high horse at our guild meeting last night, after our leader confessed to having had purchased leech from some illegit people (including getting his zhelm for free from a known hacker) and he promised to go legit from now on. Well, long story short my little rant on the joys of leveling up yourself was met with a lot of eyerolling and just... "Oh, it figures a White Knight would say that..." I don't care, I'd say it regardless of what class I played.

All it does it tell new players that no one actually PLAYS the game... or they train until they reach a level they can "train" at. :\ It DOES hurt the game, economically, and it sorta diminishes the spirit of playing an MMORPG.

[Conciente]

Hackers have totally destroyed the Maple-economy, 95% of leechers are buying with legit mesos probably. It will take over a year before hunting ilbis/steelys actually becomes profitable again after hackers disappear. And dont even get me started on Ores with JQ hackers.

Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone. Unless you are crazy about rankings, then leechers are pretty harmless overall, do I like them? Not really. But I wouldnt go so far as to say they're worse than hackers. More HT drops on the market is nice, but for all the wrong reasons, those only come from HT for a reason, they're supposed to be rare.

16x+ characters are supposed to be rare and time-consuming. In Mardia, if you are part of THEFAMILY<3, you can easily be given a level 16x+ character which you do not deserve in less than two months. I have too much pride on my ranking that I worked so hard for and now people who aren't even on the game 80% of the time, passed me. Mages don't train with real trainers anymore, they'd rather get paid to leech some useless player who doesn't have the ability to grind.

In my opinion, leechers do far much damage than hackers ever did. Hacks can be patched but this leech illness can't. Hopefully with the new KMST patch, it is resolved.

[Kabanaw]

I think both leechers and hackers are bad, and it's hard to say what is worse. Leeching has essentially taken over the game, meaning people just make a character and leech it to a high level where they can just boss.

My guild leader leeched from 108-120 in a few days. I remember when 120 was a big accomplishment and not to be just another advance in the game because of how strong it makes you. Even after 120, he's still leeching because it's faster than grinding.

I prefer to train solo because I prefer less money loss/hour rather than greater exp/hr. Sure, i get a few hundred more exp a kill, but only 60% of the pure mesos.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

New KMST patch has new party formula to combat leeching.

/thread via nexon

[Cyanne]

^YESS! Really good to know that Nexon is starting to make updates to make maple a better game. Hopefully this change won't take long to reach gMS.

[nannerz]

^YESS! Really good to know that Nexon is starting to make updates to make maple a better game. Hopefully this change won't take long to reach gMS.

lol what a change...Lemme leech my sin to NL first :wink:

[Sihan]

But if you think about it. If someone owns a bishop which he worked hard for, then leeched up a character with his own bishop. Is that supposed to be baD?

[Deviant]

But if you think about it. If someone owns a bishop which he worked hard for, then leeched up a character with his own bishop. Is that supposed to be baD?

Thats really just a branch of the general question, there will be differing opinions on this as well. While you worked to train the bishop, you didnt work to train the other character as the way it was intended in the eyes of some, but it goes the other way too, some people are fine with that since you did the initial work and it was your bishop, it goes both ways, the community is so seperated (and hypocritical in a lot of cases) on the issue of leeching that whatever you do someone will dislike you and someone will be okay with you, it all boils down to if you yourself find it morally acceptable, in my opinion.