Elemental Weapons

[MonkyMagic]

Im just wondering what base MA was on the level 103, 130 (luckless) and 163 elemental weapons. I cant find it in SW any more.

[Saver]

Level 70: 85MA
Level 103: 118MA
Level 130: 145MA
Level 163: 178MA


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[MonkyMagic]

Thanks. What about the level 130 ones though?

[Saver]

Posted.

It seems that going with the elemental wands at level 70 is not worth it.
It only has 5 more MA than the level 64 maple items and a 25% bonus, but knowing GMS the prices of these will be INSANE, meaning scrolling something good is out of the question for a long time.

Whereas, maple wisdom staffs and shine wands are easy to get and easy to scroll.

Edit1: Lol at "Green turtle staff" for ice and the poison purple one being "blue dragon staff"

[MonkyMagic]

Hehe. Thanks alot Saver!

[Stereo]

Posted.

It seems that going with the elemental wands at level 70 is not worth it.
It only has 5 more MA than the level 64 maple items and a 25% bonus, but knowing GMS the prices of these will be INSANE, meaning scrolling something good is out of the question for a long time.

25% bonus = +level matk, approximately (eg. level 100 = +100 matk) - however it scales with your magic score (as in the top matk by level thread - 5*level) so if you have +250 matk that's another 25 boost.

I'd say they're definitely worthwhile if you're hunting elemental stuff, there's no way to make up a 100+ matk boost with scrolls on a normal Maple weapon.

130 weapon is simply broken >_<

[butterfλi]

130 weapon is simply broken >_<

It's broken when you compare lukless vs luk. It's feeble when you compare a night lord buffed with sharp eyes.

I don't really think game designers think about these things when they put the game together.

It's funny how they know element amp would make blizzard and meteo stronger than genesis.. So they gave genesis a higher spell base to "balance" it. But they didn't make genesis cost 2x mp to cast. So now genesis is just as strong and half as costly.

They knew that ice strike's freezing ability would make it more overpowered than explosion. So they made explosion stronger. And then for some reason, they made explosion slower too to "balance" out that explosion has a higher spell base. I guess they forgot it's already balanced since ice strike can freeze.

[Secks]

Those 163 ones really make me want to level..

EDIT :

Just realized there are no 163 luckless ones. :f4:

Oh well, i guess the luk mage > the lukless mage at this point?

[Hazzy]

Ohsnap, are these in the Global Files, or this from SEA? :f6:

[Sephy]

just like wow, those are so godly oO. Dw jack you will stop be better then them my ngr~

[Secks]

just like wow, those are so godly oO. Dw jack you will stop be better then them my ngr~

I hope mang. I'ma start taking advantage of my 2nd computer and vend. But really all I have to do is get my pendant and my Meteo 30 book passed. :f2:

[MonkyMagic]

Those 163 ones really make me want to level..

EDIT :

Just realized there are no 163 luckless ones. :f4:

Oh well, i guess the luk mage > the lukless mage at this point?

No, Lukless mages will still > luk mages, with these weapons out. The 130 luckless wand see's to that.

[Hazzy]

No, Lukless mages will still > luk mages, with these weapons out. The 130 luckless wand see's to that.

The 163 require Luk though. Won't that see there's some balance? :f6:

[Saver]

The level 163 Luk staffs only give 33 more MA than the lukless.
So, the lukless only need to get rid of 33 LUK to put into INT, balancing them.
Then, lukless still have 129 or some points they could put into INT instead of luk.

Basically, lukless mages still win by about 129 - 100 MA because they don't need the 165 luk to wear the level 163 staffs.

[Stereo]

It's broken when you compare lukless vs luk. It's feeble when you compare a night lord buffed with sharp eyes.

don't get on that, there are a lot of regrettable balances in the 4th job.


If it was up to me, Berserk would be a buff (cast it and max HP drops + damage boost), Ultimates would cost less and do less damage (maybe 30k at max level), and the single target mage attacks would be a hell of a lot stronger. A 18x Arch should be able to do 200k with Chain Lightning (over mobs of 3+ - maybe 90/60/40/27/18/12k)


I mean just the fact that SE boosts Night Lord damage more than Marksmen says something's wrong with it :|

[MonkyMagic]

The 163 require Luk though. Won't that see there's some balance? :f6:

Nope, Maybe if the 163 weapons had a lower luk requirement and a higher MA, but luk mages lose out on over a 100ma as these weapons are currently, compared to lukless mages as Saver said

[LazyBui]

don't get on that, there are a lot of regrettable balances in the 4th job.

I mean just the fact that SE boosts Night Lord damage more than Marksmen says something's wrong with it :|
Yes @ first paragraph.

OFF-TOPIC SPOILER WARNING
That's because of the way each damage formula is set up. Bowmen have a lower skill percentage (Strafe - 100%, Lucky Seven/20 Triple Throw - 150/140%).

100 + 100 + 40 + 100 = 340
v.
150 + 100 + 40 + 100 = 390
140 + 100 + 40 + 100 = 380

When you factor that skill percentage already makes a huge difference because of the Lucky Seven/Triple Throw formula, it isn't very surprising. Not that bow/crossbow skill percentage doesn't make a huge difference, but not as much as Lucky Seven/Triple Throw.

There are only two ways to make it more effective for bowmen.
1. Change one or both formula(e)
2. Make Sharp Eyes fundamentally different - make it apply to different classes differently or have it give the caster of the buff some other bonus

Also, this is ONLY skill that makes bowmen particularly partyable. You may want to consider that a factor - it changes bowmen from "Eh, you can come because you're my friend" to "WHERE THE BOWMEN AT?!" If it wasn't so useful for the main DPS class at bosses... I'm sure you get the picture.

Holy crap, this entire thread is a massive off-topicfest.. S/he just wanted staff/wand magic attack bases and got a whole slew of other things. :f6:

[Hana]

Just wondering, if a bishop uses one of these elemental staffs, we would deal 25% less damage to something like skelegons?

[EchoFaith]

Just wondering, if a bishop uses one of these elemental staffs, we would deal 25% less damage to something like skelegons?

I'm not exactly sure, but from how i interpret it, bishops won't be using these weapons.

[Holypie]

if an I/L mage was using a F/P staff, would (s)he do less hamage?

EDIT: LOL 'hamage'

[Shinokun]

Don't think so. Probably would just do what it says it does. Add a damage bonus to what ever you doing damage to. So anyone can equip anything, but it would benefit you more if you used one for your respective job. If it does, I'd love to have one of those Lukless Wands for my Bishop.

[Saver]

if an I/L mage was using a F/P staff, would (s)he do less damage?

Yes. An Ice mage would do 0.75 times the normal damage they would do, both with lightning or ice.


Don't think so. Probably would just do what it says it does. Add a damage bonus to what ever you doing damage to. So anyone can equip anything, but it would benefit you more if you used one for your respective job. If it does, I'd love to have one of those Lukless Wands for my Bishop.

It'll do as it says. If any bishop wears ANY of these staffs or wands, their holy damage would be 0.75 times their normal damage. Meaning, you'll do 3/4 of the normal damage you should be doing.
Bishops don't benefit.

[Silence]

let's say.. i do 10k...dmg... normally

assuming the elemental staff has same ma...

i would be doing 12.5k? correct? (using the elemental) (1.25x boost)

soo if i do 12.5k.. on a monster that's elemental weak.. i would be doing 18.75k? o.o (1.5x boost)

in other words.. a 1.875 times boost in dmg? ( total of 1.25 * 1.5x boost )

Also... i would prefer to use 163 staff XD...

looks > damage for me XD ~ 163 staff looks much nicer =p ~

[Shinokun]

It'll do as it says. If any bishop wears ANY of these staffs or wands, their holy damage would be 0.75 times their normal damage. Meaning, you'll do 3/4 of the normal damage you should be doing.
Bishops don't benefit.

Yeah, you're right. Bah, I misread the description. The extra M.att is not sufficient enough to cover the .25 loss in damage. So I guess it is pointless.

[Holypie]

Those 163 ones really make me want to level..

EDIT :

Just realized there are no 163 luckless ones. :f4:

Oh well, i guess the luk mage > the lukless mage at this point?
shut up. we luk mages have been taunted by lukless about our damage, and when we FINALLY get something worthwhile, you get a wand at 130 lukless and you COMPLAIN?

[gucci]

NxProse kept asking people to refer to a certain logo as a hint when people asked if new weapons are being released during his question & answer session.

http://msimage.nexon.net/forum/20080708/CK_Logo.jpg

If that's really an elemental wand/staff in the picture, mages can start getting a little excited lol.

[Chompy]

NxProse kept asking people to refer to a certain logo as a hint when people asked if new weapons are being released during his question & answer session.

http://msimage.nexon.net/forum/20080708/CK_Logo.jpg

If that's really an elemental wand/staff in the picture, mages can start getting a little excited lol.
No that is an Off Colored- Slightly different Staff/wand of somesort.
I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it is THESE elemental weapons.
I'd expect something COMPLETELY new.
For Crimson Wood Keep.
Totally groundbreaking I hope.
All elemental increase?
Auto Booster Included?
Hp/Mp % berserk feature.
I want it ALL!!

[Silence]

No that is an Off Colored- Slightly different Staff/wand of somesort.
I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it is THESE elemental weapons.
I'd expect something COMPLETELY new.
For Crimson Wood Keep.
Totally groundbreaking I hope.
All elemental increase?
Auto Booster Included?
Hp/Mp % berserk feature.
I want it ALL!!

i doubt it lol.... nice try...

[Kasey]

If these new weapons are realesed, I'm so glad I quit my Arch Ice Mage to make a bishop lol

No need to upgrade MY weapon AND a lot of the regular wands would become cheaper (maybe) depending on the rarity of the elemental weapons (:

Give mages the new monster area thats weak to ice/fire and give mages those elemental weapons, hell they need it since theyre so useless for anything besides training (lol)

[JezzaRules]

Aww these are only meant for f/p and i/l archmages =(.

[gucci]

If these new weapons are realesed, I'm so glad I quit my Arch Ice Mage to make a bishop lol

Why did you quit your ice mage?

[LeonSilvis]

lulz at lvl 163 equips, all based on the 4 great guardians in chinese myth :cool:

[Kabanaw]

What do you all think the most expensive weaponsare gunna be? I think it'll be 130 wand, 70 wand, 103 staff, and 163 staff because of the demand. Also remember, while luklesses can equip the 130 wand, they're gunna be so expensive only the ones that are very funded will be able to afford one.

I'm excited for these to come out because with equips I can use the lvl 163 staff, which will probably be the least used.

[aslemn]

Well,i have a Elemental Staff of LV 103 on my 118 character on JMS,it adds 25% of damage on lightning and 10% on ice skills.
There theyre a lot expensive,i prefer lightning instead of ice because ice rod costs like 200M,because you can obtain it from Toad boss in kaede castle and cold sharks.
They are pretty useful to train,and my damage is pretty good now.
My friend just gave me it when he dropped it @ cornians.

[butterfλi]

Well,i have a Elemental Staff of LV 103 on my 118 character on JMS,it adds 25% of damage on lightning and 10% on ice skills.
There theyre a lot expensive,i prefer lightning instead of ice because ice rod costs like 200M,because you can obtain it from Toad boss in kaede castle and cold sharks.
They are pretty useful to train,and my damage is pretty good now.
My friend just gave me it when he dropped it @ cornians.

Holy crap, 200mil? They're that cheap? -drools-

but then again knowing gMS... they're gonna make it NOT drop from ANY monsters and make it gash-only >_____>

and on top of that, all the marketing sluts in gMS will inflate it like hell. I'm predicting 500m+ =\

[aslemn]

theyre cheap because jms did create them,so,theyre a lot old on jms.
my thunder rod worths like 20-25m.
its a lot cheap,the lv 163 staves cost like 5-15m and 130 wands cost like 30-50m.
they help a lot on damage.

[Darklai]

30-50m for staves?! Absolutely insane... but what happens in jMS stays in jMS sadly. :P It's going to be chaos when they're released in global. I think I'm going to start saving up for one, just in case. x:

[Kabanaw]

theyre cheap because jms did create them,so,theyre a lot old on jms.
my thunder rod worths like 20-25m.
its a lot cheap,the lv 163 staves cost like 5-15m and 130 wands cost like 30-50m.
they help a lot on damage.

Only 5-15m? I knew they would be cheap. Now I'm really glad I can equip them.

[Itay]

Wow.. It's already pointless to make a mage thats not lukless nowadays.. but seriously.. 145 matt lukless wand, thats insane. Like, 1.5 stronger than a normal luk mage at 130 or more.

[gucci]

and on top of that, all the marketing sluts in gMS will inflate it like hell. I'm predicting 500m+ =\

If these elemental weapons appear in gms, you can be sure they will be gach only items, so much for jms trying to balance the game with these weapons. I will also expect the lvl 130 ice wand to be well over 500m, if they are as rare as Doomsday.

[Beserker101]

Green turtle staff, I want to make a LUK I/L mage just for the pure fact that they use a staff called the green turtle staff (I like turtles).

[kleptophobia]

Did Nexon even think about the consequences when they designed the Level 130 staff? Yes...yes they did. Think of all the AP resets from people going LUKless and all the NX invested in Gachapon to get one... Seems like they thought that out.

BUT REALLY! That is broken.

[chrisloup]

cass player here.

all elemental weapons are gacha only

cass pricing:
orb of firewand = non existent
deadly poison wand = 400m thereabouts
iceberg wand = only 1 in existence. purchase price. 1.8b , other mages offering to buy are all above 1b-1.5b mark.
thunderstorm wand = non existent i believe, other mages offering to buy at 1b-1.5b mark.

still extremely rare.

[Silence]

cass player here.

all elemental weapons are gacha only

cass pricing:
orb of firewand = non existent
deadly poison wand = 400m thereabouts
iceberg wand = only 1 in existence. purchase price. 1.8b , other mages offering to buy are all above 1b-1.5b mark.
thunderstorm wand = non existent i believe, other mages offering to buy at 1b-1.5b mark.

still extremely rare.

how bout the lvl 163 ice staff? o.o

[JoshKun]

cass player here.


i r noob... wtf is cass? and T______T at prices on those staffs... mesarz plaz.

~Josh

[Chompy]

I think JUST releasing the 163 ones would be a moderate reason to go Luk.
As for the luk-less ones.
ABOMINATIONS!
Wisdom Staffs Should be THE endgame lukless weapon.
Really- Lukless are set for life.
...
Now start Gacha pandering to the Reg classes (which are the 2ndary class for mages)

Ultra-Doomsday staff
and 5x Multiplier Elemental staff for High LUK ploxz

[Beloved]

i r noob... wtf is cass? and T______T at prices on those staffs... mesarz plaz.

~Josh

Cassiopeia I think? I'm not too sure of the spelling.

It's a server in mSEA.

[Harrisonized]

cass player here.

all elemental weapons are gacha only

cass pricing:
orb of firewand = non existent
deadly poison wand = 400m thereabouts
iceberg wand = only 1 in existence. purchase price. 1.8b , other mages offering to buy are all above 1b-1.5b mark.
thunderstorm wand = non existent i believe, other mages offering to buy at 1b-1.5b mark.

still extremely rare.
I thought the level 163 staves would be cheaper because of the luk requirement (I mean, nobody would pump their luk that high right?)
What about the Lv 103 prices? When they come out, I'd want one of those poison wands, being the only fast (4) out of the set (other than the fire wand.) And it's purple, and IDK why I like purple. :f6:

[Kabanaw]

As I've said before, Someone who capped their luk around 100 with some decent luk equips, a z-helm, and a 37 luk ht pendant can equip the lvl 163 staves, which is a good reason to cap your luk so high.

[Sailor Psychic]

I'm wondering: Will Arch Mage summons be doing 0.75 of their normal damage with these weapons?

[Tikey]

No. The summons aren't affected by additional multipliers added on by the player.

[Cheesecake]

does the 25% also increase mists damage/second, or only its base attack that hits when u cast it.

[ZYXWVUT]

does the 25% also increase mists damage/second, or only its base attack that hits when u cast it.
I don't think anything can affect the poison effect.

[Harrisonized]

does the 25% also increase mists damage/second, or only its base attack that hits when u cast it.
The poison effect is a definite 1/40th of the monster's HP.

[fiftyschmooo]

Did Nexon even think about the consequences when they designed the Level 130 staff? Yes...yes they did. Think of all the AP resets from people going LUKless and all the NX invested in Gachapon to get one... Seems like they thought that out.

BUT REALLY! That is broken.

Nexon doesnt seem to think about any of the items they make, look at the new lvl 90 Dexless Clawor how about the new 2h sword that has FAST atk and is 6 MORE atk on avg then a DS... what about that Taru bow with liek 5 more atk then a clean meus and faster atk speed..... they make items without thinking hwo it will affect EVERYONE not just the player or class using them, nopw sure i would be okay if they made like a secondary stat-less weapon for each class @ the same lvl and @ the same avg atk as the same lvl weapon oif the same type, but not like any wep thats same lvl, 2ndary statless and more atk.. it totally replaces it, doesnt matter how rare it is .. just be Glad they didnt make any kinda HOLY wand... and since a Bishop doesnt have a secondary Element... by LOGIC.. it would have to add 1.35X damage right? lol i dont see why they released 130 and 160 weapons for Mages and have yet to release anything over 110? for every other class in gms..