Archers Unite!

[Artisty]

Thank you so much for not having WH > all archer threads on this website! Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!!! Other forums have been posting these stupid threads saying quit your BM and make a WH. Where's the pride in that? Anyone understand this?

[Killed]

bandwagoners

[JoeTang]

But they are.

[Mike]

Back in June 2006, when my cousin introduced me to this game, my cousin played an archer and I was like, "Why is he an archer and not one of those popular classes?" There weren't many archers running around since they were considered "weak" or some crap like that. Archers weren't super common like thieves. So I created my first character as an archer a month and still sorta play him (lol nearly 5 years and he's only level 93.) Nowadays, bowmen are everywhere and I guess that's nice.

I just went off topic... I think.

Just don't listen to them. Play whatever class you want. Wild Hunters are fun, though.

[Solarboy]

So basically, instead of having a WH > Bowmen thread we have a rather pointless thread that is basically implying that Bowmasters are better than wild hunters?

Great idea!

[Punch]

So basically, instead of having a WH > Bowmen thread we have a rather pointless thread that is basically implying that Bowmasters are better than wild hunters?

Great idea!

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[Artisty]

Not what I meant. I meant that the topics are pointless. Just get over it!

[JoeTang]

Oh, the irony.

[Killed]

bowmasters are better

[Artisty]

I like you!

[MariaColette]

I played a WH, got it to 120... still prefer my BM, even if WHs are more powerful. Don't know why.

Title's a bit redundant, though. Technically, WHs ARE Archers too. :b

[Izwardo]

I played a WH, got it to 120... still prefer my BM, even if WHs are more powerful. Don't know why.

Title's a bit redundant, though. Technically, WHs ARE Archers too. :b

Technically they are Resistance

[shagreen heart]

i made a WH cause i wanted to try it out, i ended taking him up to like 90 with full intention of getting to 4th job and being mr. cool ice wildman shootin that wildness and exploding those gears.

i was just training one day, down in the mines, when it hit me like a wall.

this class is nothing without the jaguar. it's completely dependent on it. where's the fun... or the pride, or the feeling of autonomy for your char, when you know if he steps off this "jaguar" that comes out of nowhere, has no story? there's one poor, poor obligatory quest you do to get him, and that's it. there is literally no lore, no connection whatsoever to this thing. it doesn't eat, you don't train it, it doesn't level, but it owns you completely, and for some reason wild hunters ride them cause...? you're the weakest of all archers w/o it. and i quit right there, and plan on making a marksman. ever since i started playing maple, i loved crossbowmen. i just loved bandits and stealing stuff more, and my friend made a bowman, so i wanted it to be fun for us.

anyway hopefully soon, i can proudly unite with yew archers. y'all kookoo bananas n shhhh

[Avior]

Marksman Rules!

[MariaColette]

Technically they are Resistance

*facepalm* thanks for getting the point >:|

They use a bow/crossbow. They use arrows. They're under the general category of ARCHER. They're not the same CLASS (Adventurer, Cygnus, Resistance) but they're still ARCHERS. D:<

[Artisty]

Lol.... they are resistance. I just got pissed Nexon decided to take the best of both worlds and fuse them together. Better Multi + xbow + hurricane + speed.... Really?

[Kevo]

I can't stand WHs at all. Being in a new server, items are more scarce than in older servers. Having Arcania be released at the same time as the Resistance classes was the worst thing to happen to the server. A large portion of Arcania is Resistance which implies...

Not only are WHs hogging all the crossbows, but also some skillbooks. With demand ever growing, prices can only follow suit. It's hard for Marksmen to pass Marksman Boost 20/30 (more so 20) considering how rare the book is plus the fact that WHs are in droves desperately trying to pass it.

[Izwardo]

*facepalm* thanks for getting the point >:|

They use a bow/crossbow. They use arrows. They're under the general category of ARCHER. They're not the same CLASS (Adventurer, Cygnus, Resistance) but they're still ARCHERS. D:<

Like the guy above you said, without their "pet" they are nothing but a useless class with a Xbow walking around. Their Pet makes the class no the bow.

[Alilatias]

Like the guy above you said, without their "pet" they are nothing but a useless class with a Xbow walking around. Their Pet makes the class no the bow.

To be fair, that seems to be the entire theme of the Resistance. None of the Resistance classes play at all like their adventurer, legend, or cygnus counterparts. I'd take a bet that if we saw a Resistance warrior in the future, it'd ultimately play like a mage/ranged hybrid. Or a Resistance claw-using thief playing like a bandit/brawler hybrid.

[Artisty]

We asked for Nexon to better our classes. So they just combine them into a new class? Why couldn't they just combine the classes into one class. -.- All archers become a MM + BM hybrid. That's the only way we'll beat WH's.

[IllegallySane]

Wild Hunters are just mounted archers when you get down to the basic definition of the class.

A-hur, a-hur, a-hur.

[McAwesomesauce]

To be fair, that seems to be the entire theme of the Resistance. None of the Resistance classes play at all like their adventurer, legend, or cygnus counterparts. I'd take a bet that if we saw a Resistance warrior in the future, it'd ultimately play like a mage/ranged hybrid. Or a Resistance claw-using thief playing like a bandit/brawler hybrid.

If any of the classes played similarily to another then that'd make both of them redundant.

[ChaosCorpse]

I was in a bowman only guild for quite a while here in Windia; one of I believe 3 well known ones across the worlds that held firm in its pride; but it fell apart over drama over time. The name still exists, but it isn't even a shell of what it once was.

Afraid to tell ya this, but pride is pretty much dead in more ways than one. I personally think pride in general died when common equipment replaced class equipment as the "standard". And the pride of the bowmen I knew died when 4th job was released. We had been the outcasts; always denied from PQs because of our lack of party skills, but we managed to stick together. We became wall pinners and "SE Mules". Hell, preference towards anything but the top tier now and days is considered stupid rather than a show of respect towards what you like. I wouldn't have said this before, but I actually feel sorry for bishops.



Not only are WHs hogging all the crossbows, but also some skillbooks. With demand ever growing, prices can only follow suit. It's hard for Marksmen to pass Marksman Boost 20/30 (more so 20) considering how rare the book is plus the fact that WHs are in droves desperately trying to pass it.

Part of the reason I'm having trouble getting back to my main even though training at his level has become much easier since BB. Failed 3 of those 20 books so far, and I don't see how the thing should be 60 Mil+ a pop.

[Born2BeMild]

Just advanced to Bowmaster, everything is awesome, and I have never enjoyed a class as much as my Bowmaster.

[Sorien]

We asked for Nexon to better our classes. So they just combine them into a new class? Why couldn't they just combine the classes into one class. -.- All archers become a MM + BM hybrid. That's the only way we'll beat WH's.

Actually, Wild Hunters can be easily balanced by having the jaguar less powerfull. It makes no sense that they should have perfect control of their weapon while riding on that jaguar at high speeds and bobbing up and down, so why not make it so the jaguar has some drawbacks to it. Simply change the jaguar to something like: +15% hp, but -10% mastery. And then take Tripple Shot and reduce its max level to 10 while still retaining it's 90% damage, and then making a critical skill that gives +20% critical chance.

If they were to do that, then the jaguar wouldn't be the only source of their damage, especially not in fourth job where the player will be using Vulcan against everything. The jaguar will still grant survivability and mobility, and in third job it'll also provide stance, but the player has to trade stable damage for it.

[OB3LISK]

Actually, Wild Hunters can be easily balanced by having the jaguar less powerfull. It makes no sense that they should have perfect control of their weapon while riding on that jaguar at high speeds and bobbing up and down, so why not make it so the jaguar has some drawbacks to it. Simply change the jaguar to something like: +15% hp, but -10% mastery. And then take Tripple Shot and reduce its max level to 10 while still retaining it's 90% damage, and then making a critical skill that gives +20% critical chance.

If they were to do that, then the jaguar wouldn't be the only source of their damage, especially not in fourth job where the player will be using Vulcan against everything. The jaguar will still grant survivability and mobility, and in third job it'll also provide stance, but the player has to trade stable damage for it.

Everyone in this thread (save the original poster LOL) knows that's not going to happen ever.

It makes perfect sense though.

-A BM/MM is standing still focusing on his aim and accuracy.

-This other combination of classes, an archer using a Crossbow using BM skills standing on a moving jumping flying wild animal that it just met in and caught with a Pokeball is telling his Jaguar where to move and trying to aim at the same time.

"Yeah, let's make the second guy stronger." Perfect sense by Nexon.

[Alilatias]

I honestly wouldn't have any problems with Wild Hunters at all if Nexon didn't throw in Marksman Boost/Crossbow Expertise and Sharp Eyes into their 4th job skill set and call it a day, jacking up our mastery book prices. Battlemages don't do that. Mechanics don't do that. But Wild Hunters...

It's like Nexon has no idea what the hell to do with Archers nowadays. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they gave the Archer Legend Bow Expertise and Sharp Eyes too. Maybe it could be the reason why there's no hint of the Archer Legend in KMS thus far. T_T

[Locked]

Actually, Wild Hunters can be easily balanced by having the jaguar less powerfull. It makes no sense that they should have perfect control of their weapon while riding on that jaguar at high speeds and bobbing up and down, so why not make it so the jaguar has some drawbacks to it. Simply change the jaguar to something like: +15% hp, but -10% mastery. And then take Tripple Shot and reduce its max level to 10 while still retaining it's 90% damage, and then making a critical skill that gives +20% critical chance.

If they were to do that, then the jaguar wouldn't be the only source of their damage, especially not in fourth job where the player will be using Vulcan against everything. The jaguar will still grant survivability and mobility, and in third job it'll also provide stance, but the player has to trade stable damage for it.

Way to completely ruin the uniqueness of the class, lmao.

[OB3LISK]

Way to completely ruin the uniqueness of the class, lmao.

Yeah. Let's keep the overpowered class that diminishes the value of all the older classes. Hell, why don't we make a DB who can use a TT for every one of that Chain Move thing. 6 stars x 12 hits with the chain. An even uniquer class.

I agree that WH's should be nerfed somewhat.

[Locked]

Yeah. Let's keep the overpowered class that diminishes the value of all the older classes. Hell, why don't we make a DB who can use a TT for every one of that Chain Move thing. 6 stars x 12 hits with the chain. An even uniquer class.

I agree that WH's should be nerfed somewhat.

Yes yes.
The only way to nerf a WH is by disabling the ability to ride a jaguar and attack. Of course. Do you know how silly that sounds? Just get over it, mechanics are still more OP than lolWH.

[Worthyness]

Yes yes.
The only way to nerf a WH is by disabling the ability to ride a jaguar and attack. Of course. Do you know how silly that sounds? Just get over it, mechanics are still more OP than lolWH.

its not about them being "ZOMG OP" its the fact that WHs take EVERYTHING that archers are amazing at AND cover what archers are weak at. They essentially have zero flaws; they have DPS, they have decent HP, they have mobility, they have the only archer party skill, they have the marksmen's mastery, they have a copied hurricane skill with the marksmen's formula, AND their hawk doesn't even cost a fricken rock to use while both archers HAVE to have a rock (more so for the bowmaster line because marksmen can freeze things). Basically, they do everything any old archer can do better and add some more. It shows a lack of any real creativity and lack of a serious imagination. it's as if Nexon just went and said lol we can't think of anythign else to give them, so we'll just reanimate this skill and be done with it. tada! a new class!


conversely, they could just make archers able to walk and shoot at the same time like they should have been able to do since the beginning.

[Locked]

conversely, they could just make archers able to walk and shoot at the same time like they should have been able to do since the beginning.

Hurricane walking..?

I think the only way to decently nerf a WH would be to drop their hurricane to 195% per shot while leaving ours with 220%.

[Derosis]

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Reporting in.

[FrothyFrog]

bowmasters are better

I endorse this statement