I dont like to ask these questions but...

[Kranzorbaken]

Ive had a fighter before and kinda liked it now what im wondering is should i go sword fighter again bw page for the cheap scrolls or a dk and if dk hybrid or spear. Im sorry i just honestly have though on it and dont know. And what is faster in 2nd 3rd job. And wanted more in zakum....yes i know its far away.

[Hazzy]

How far do you expect to go? Dragon Knights are very anti-bandwagon in 4th job, some people love them, some hate them. BWs, like Axes, are slow and weak on stabs. :P

Dks are fast in 3d job, slow in 2nd, always, ALWAYS needed in Zakum.
Fighters are fast in 2nd job, bit slower in 3d job, fast in 4th, wanted in Zakum, but not needed in every party like DKs are.
Pages fail at Zakum. End of story.

[Kranzorbaken]

Thank you, you basically got everything I needed to know right there. I dont know if my comp can handle Zakum atm 'cause well just it wont but i expect that by then i will have one that can ...atm i have vista lol get like 40 fps... anyways I think I will go with a spear man and i still have no fucking clue about hybrid or spear.

[ThisIsSal]

it's definitely one or the other, going polearm is utterly pointless

i'd recommend hybrid without sac, max SF instead, leave roar at 1, put remaining points into ER, and any remaining go into sac.

if you go spear, it's basically the same with max roar and some other shit since you'll have an extra 30 points to use on non-polearm skills.

hybrid drks will train faster, but not -significantly- faster, until they both leave himes, at which point both the spear and the hybrid drk will train at the same speed.

[Kranzorbaken]

Okay okay im gunna say i love this forum and this advice is awesome. Ok so i assume sac is sacrifice but whats SF. And i think ill go for pure spear but one more thing. Lol uhm so at dreamy ghosts or himes whatever the fek you wanna call em, how much worse is spear. Its cause of the slash stab ratio right and the mobbing skill does slash more which pa's are better at. But spears still get just will lose that one part of the ratio.

[Stereo]

SF is Spear Fury, generally used to hit mobs of 6 (so they will move towards you and you can Crusher them) or finish off weak mobs quickly, as Fury casts faster than Crusher and has a much larger hit box.

Spears do about 3/4 of the damage of Polearms at Himes (over time - individual hits, Crusher does more). Depending on gear, though - polearms are cheaper so they're better scrolled quite often.

[Hero]

Dks are fast in 3d job, slow in 2nd, always, ALWAYS needed in Zakum.

Not really. Nowadays tons of people do one party runs, and considering everyone and their mother is HP washed now (Ranged-attacker wise, that is) nobody really needs HB anymore.

[HiiEN]

Playing a drk that keeps up with the killing rate of a Hero is pretty hard, and requires a lot of money to stay even caught up with a decently funded hero. But than again, you can't go Horntail without them =)

[ThisIsSal]

Okay okay im gunna say i love this forum and this advice is awesome. Ok so i assume sac is sacrifice but whats SF. And i think ill go for pure spear but one more thing. Lol uhm so at dreamy ghosts or himes whatever the fek you wanna call em, how much worse is spear. Its cause of the slash stab ratio right and the mobbing skill does slash more which pa's are better at. But spears still get just will lose that one part of the ratio.

sf is spear fury, which i have constantly regretted not maxing ever since 125.

spear isn't -that- much worse at himes, and it's better way later on when you don't train there anymore, but PA is better at himes because fury hits six things while crusher hits three. until you can 2hko himes all the time, which takes forever, PA is better.

[Valarius]

it's definitely one or the other, going polearm is utterly pointless.

*cue Mint to come and rip you a new asshole*

[Kranzorbaken]

*cue Mint to come and rip you a new asshole*
I assume hes a high lvl Pure PA but anyway in this matter i laughed my fucking ass off...

Furthermore thank you so much for all your replies im leaning towards hybrid but the decision is not quite done. Im etting some funds up to 10m atm...

[ThisIsSal]

*cue Mint to come and rip you a new asshole*

allow me to elaborate, then: going PA is pointless and has been ever since skeles/newties came out.

fury just isn't that great with the training grounds we have and doesn't work as well with zerk as crusher.

what i am saying is fact and no 'pure pa pride' can change that.

if in the future we get some other map like himes with huge spawn and flat map then sure, why not go PA, but in the meantime it's spear/hyb or nothin, dood.

[Stereo]

*cue Mint to come and rip you a new asshole*

Any Pure PA would agree, it's completely pointless, the only reason to do it is for fun, something that's a little to uncommon in MS.


As pure PA, my DK is gonna be maxing out all those skills hybrids cant - Roar, Sacrifice, ER, Polearm Crusher:f6:


In no case would a pure PA beat hybrid at training - the primary attacking skills (Fury/Crusher) are 100% good to go with a Hybrid, and you can get both Roar and Sacrifice as a hybrid if you really want to (can't get everything else maxed out though).


Not to mention Mint pretty much quit cause 4th job sucks lols

[Pockles]

Become a page! Don't listen to them!

[Cardboardsnail]

Become a page! Don't listen to them!

Being page is fine

Being a BW page on the other hand... that could get frustrating

[HiiEN]

Being page is fine

Being a BW page on the other hand... that could get frustrating
Then again funding is really cheap for BW pages.

[Ranylyn]

I'm resetting my sword page as BW. BWs are far cheaper, and the scrolls even more so! I could get a godly BW for the same price as a "meh, use it until you can afford something better" sword. At this point in time, I can honestly say, "BW is what I want to do, and screw everyone and anyone who tells me otherwise." I used to like swords but I got bored of everyone and their grandmas using them, BWs look cooler to me now, and I always have liked being different, meh.

Oh, and also, no one mentionned how PADKs train faster at second job (Given the slash to stab ratio, PAs > Spears at fiurst and second job), and have the full effect of fury (hits 6 targets 1 time) instantly and it being worth mapping to a key for the range alone rather than needing to build up crusher before it becomes worth mapping to a key at all. Unless you intended to go spear fury first which, personally, sounds silly to do since I'm assuming you'd want crusher maxed ASAP. I'd also, personally, prefer PADK for 4th job since Fury's superior range makes for less touch damage taken than if you used crusher, thus making berserk an easier skill to use. Of course, feel free to ignore me, I'm only using logic and common sense here, which everyone else on Maple forsakes just to see big numbers.

Then the fighter/ sader/ hero thing. Here's how I see it. Feel free to take this route so long as you don't hate on pages. I swear, nearly every fighter/ sader/ hero I meet has to bash/ stalk/ KS me just because I'm a page and they think I clicked the wrong choice or something. My girlfriend's fighter is the only 5x fighter I know who hasn't tried picking a fight with my page. Ugh.

[Hero]

Then again funding is really cheap for BW pages.

They use the exact same gear as other warriors except weapons, whereas they'll spend alot more scrolling a 125+ Morning star which only equals a 110-115 2H sword speed/average damage wise. Yeah, they have it "cheaper". Really. Their other two weapons are slow as hell meaning they'll have to slam even more 30%s on them to make them decent. DS aren't as expensive as they are before, so honestly, the whole "funding" thing is a load of ass.

@ Guy above me, "Oh, and also, no one mentionned how PADKs train faster at second job " - that's because that only lasts a month tops for anyone who actually wants to go places with their characters. I know it's hard for you to believe, but some people can actually level! PurePA is simply dumb nowadays.

[HiiEN]

That's true, regarding armor, but I believe mass scrolling a decent BW is still cheaper than mass scrolling a decent sword, considering BWs and their scrolls are still dirt cheap compared to their sword counterparts.

And Ranylyn, as for going Polearm, it might look pleasing however you don't know until you actually play the character for yourself. 4th job PA sucks ass I can tell you now because for the most part you're stuck at himes for the rest of your life, which I guess is good if you're training low level characters. People like PA because it trains fast early, but the downside is that it's incredibly slow later. This is the reason most people go Hyb so they can Skele with a spear in the later levels.

[Taiketo]

I've spent ~300mil scrolling BWs and come out with utter shit as a result.

If you go BWs because they are cheaper you're going to be very disappointed.

You need a much better BW then sword to come close to matching them in average damage, and let me tell you, for MOST PEOPLE, 125 attack+ weapons don't fall out of the sky.

Not to mention the insane rarity of BWs and 30% 2h bw scrolls nowadays. I commonly check every single FM stall on channels 1-4 and find -nothing-.

The ONLY, and I do mean only, reason to go BW is because you have some insane obsession with hitting things with a giant hammer.

[WahPedal]

They use the exact same gear as other warriors except weapons, whereas they'll spend alot more scrolling a 125+ Morning star which only equals a 110-115 2H sword speed/average damage wise. Yeah, they have it "cheaper". Really. Their other two weapons are slow as hell meaning they'll have to slam even more 30%s on them to make them decent. DS aren't as expensive as they are before, so honestly, the whole "funding" thing is a load of ass.

I agree on that. However, it makes no sense whatsoever to advocate something in MS simply because its 'cheap'. I admit, many Maple-greats advocated BWs for the prices, but that's simply because when things are easier and cheaper to get, you get to scroll more, and the more the scrolling, the more the chance of a godly weapon. Simply logic, and even Senyain swore by it. BUT, hey hey, it's Maple! If a lot of people make a BW Page, BWs and scrolls WILL become rarer, WILL become dearer. Cant stop that. And hence its an outdated reason -_-

Going BW is good ONLY if you want to throw up numbers which sword users wont be getting for many upcoming levels. For what? Damage consistency and damage over time. Or, if you aesthetically/feel-wise like BWs, and would rather be pounding the enemy instead of hitting them with a small piece of metal. :eek:

Peace.
WahPedal