Wtp is so bad about Rage?

[JezzaRules]

Ok, this is really getting on my nerves. Yesterday I was cpqing and this sin in my party was like "OMG a fighter" and I was like "wtf is wrong with her?".
Later when I got into the CPQ, I used rage and she was like "OMG you raged me! f@ck you! *defames and leaves the party*". I left as well and confronted her (as well as defaming her) and she was like "YOU F@CKEN MADE ME WASTE AN ONYX APPLE YOU NOOB!" and she logs.
sheesh what is the world coming to? she could've AT LEAST said to the whole party she was using Onyx apples >.<. Later she logged in again and I had 6 of my mules gangbash her fame while in fm (she deserves it for her insolence) but it also makes me think if rage in GMS for a fighter is useless for others...

Anyway I still dont see what's wrong with Rage (I maxed it). Will others get pissed if I used my max rage?

[GMSInfighter]

What I want to know is why she was using a Onyx apple in CPQ.

[JezzaRules]

What I want to know is why she was using a Onyx apple in CPQ.

Yea that's what I want to know too, personally I believe that's a major waste of apple...

[GMSInfighter]

I rage, I don't care what she thinks. Waste of mesos spending time on atk pots.

[»-Chris->]

Because they have extremely cheap 12 att pots that make rage quite useless.

[JezzaRules]

Because they have extremely cheap 12 att pots that make rage quite useless.

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round?

[Orit]

My thoughts:

1. Anybody using an Onyx Apple for CPQ deserves a spanking.

2. If she could say "OMG a Fighter" she could also say, "DON'T RAGE!!!!" It's not like she didn't know it could happen.

3. You should have asked your party if they objected to you Raging. Some people don't like it, either because they are using potions or because they don't want to lose w.def and increase the risk of dying (not usually a problem in CPQ, since dying there doesn't cost exp, but still). You have to remember other classes have less HP than you do, and 5 more HP lost per hit taken can be significant to them.

IME, people in CPQ kept asking me to Rage, and were disappointed when I told them I didn't have it. But I'm told that in the world outside CPQ, most parties prefer you didn't.

[Dusk]

Onyx Apple in CPQ = what o_o

You get half of the exp from the win, and most monsters die in 1-3 hits anyway.

[psychopat]

People are damage whores... In the vast majority of cases, the 2 less atk from warrior elixir to rage does not change the amount of hits it takes to kill the monster. They're being drama queens :)

I personally love it when I get raged. Then again, I also test out the elixirs as compared to pills and if there's no difference in the # of hits to kill on a particular map, I'll go with pills. Then I repeat that test comparing pills and nothing :f3:

[MaxHudson]

Hey there pat =P

I basic rule I use is, use warrior elixers if it helps kill in less hits, but if its the same just use rage.

Oh and thing have gotten sad now days, I remember when I'd here "OMG A FIGHTER! ADD HIM" back then they only had 5 attack potions =\. But the its the guys falt, he should have told you he was appleing, basic rule of pap would be to tell the Hero/Sader if rage or no rage. Same thing applys to everything else.

Ks his ass =D

[Kawasari Mimoto]

If it's something like CPQ, why would you even USE an attack potion in the first place? Ok ok, assuming you don't have a Fighter~, then use it, I guess. But if you do, you're just wasting mesos. Dumb kids these days.

[Stereo]

Rage dispels, attack pots don't >_> That's the main reason I don't like it. It's ok to have 10 atk instead of 12, but to have 0 because they keep forgetting to cast it is annoying.

[Kawasari Mimoto]

Rage dispels, attack pots don't >_> That's the main reason I don't like it. It's ok to have 10 atk instead of 12, but to have 0 because they keep forgetting to cast it is annoying.


That depends on the person that's playing the Fighter.. In CPQ, I forgot if it was possible to even get Dispelled, but if that's the case, and it's a experienced Fighter, they will automatically know when to re-cast Rage anyways.

The only PQ where I see that a Warrior Elixer will be a lot better will be at APQ on the Geist Balrog stage, because that thing actually Dispels. >_>

[xXiris]

I highly doubt she was using an apple in cpq, you cant even use pots in cpq (I think) so you'd have to use it before you go in...For cpq I would think max rage would be great:glitter:

If im training with a sader/hero ill tell them to rage me because I really could care less about the 2 extra attack from elixers:excellent:

[Outland]

Some people do just that, use an attack potion right before they enter a room. I used to do it with Warrior Elixirs, but to use an Onyx Apple for CPQ... she deserves to be smacked upside the head.:eek:

If a warrior Raged me while I had a Warrior Elixir on, I wouldn't care much 'cause the monsters were so easy to kill already. Takes 1-3 hits.:f3:

[NoJobNoRules]

Yea, any major boss thing I make sure to ask about Rage so no one gets ticked off if I make them lose an apple. <_<


For any other PQ...screw it. I really hate when people flip out in PPQ because they're using warrior elixers and they're the only melee class doing so. For example, a PPQ party something along the lines of this:

Crusader
Ranger
Dragon Knight
Hermit
Priest
IL Mage

Now, obviously the -w. def isn't an issue as long as my rage comes right before the priest's bless (if anyone were to care THAT much <.<). The thing I don't like is when someone whines about using a 12 attack potion and me wasting it when I rage.

Basic math would show that for the extra 2 att that one person has, the -30 attack the other people don't have is a much bigger impact. <_<

I've never had a single run in any kind of PQ where more then one person is using elixers. Most are like Crusader, yay, saves me 5k. :D


And ew...dispel sucks. D: But, aside from the giant boss map like the aPQ fight with Geist Balrog, recasting Rage is usually one of the first skills I recast. It is usually Combo/Booster, Rage/Iron Defense, and Power Guard. :X

Rage is awesome. Don't listen to them. ;P

[Mira]

I always ask my party if they want rage or not. If not, they'll usually lend me some att pots (if they're nice) because I don't carry my own. The main reason people don't want rage is because it dispels other attack pots and skills, and rage can be dispelled. I personally say "Why buy pots if I can just use one of my skills?" It doesn't make a huge difference. So I say, always ask incase you've got weirdoes who use apples in opq, and it's polite!

[Blaine]

I always use Warrior Elixirs on my sader, just because it both saves time and can't be dispelled. Most people expect it of you to not use rage, i.e. my old guild leader, Salleem. He flipped on me one time when I used Rage when he was appling a cake or the geist. That 90 attack difference is what people freak out about. That'll nearly double your power in a lot of places. It can turn a pq going good into a total failure.

[HiiEN]

Most fighters ask if they should use rage before using it. It's more of the fact people use att pots to buff themselves these days. I guess in CPQ it doesn't matter but when you see a sader/hero use it on a BOSS fight then its retarded -_-

[»-Chris->]

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round?
On those? I always did when I CPQ'd in Yellonde. Only cost 5k per cpq not a big deal.

[Derimed]

Because they have extremely cheap 12 att pots that make rage quite useless.

Those potions are not cheap. I heard in another thread that you're a major FMer; to you the cost of Warrior Elixirs is nothing, but to others can be an issue. Some people are extremely short on mesos, to the point where they cannot afford to scroll decent equipment and are lucky to have enough pots for the next day's training. To such a person having a free 10 att boost over a 12 att boost that costs 500k per 100 potions may be a good alternative. If it's the difference between regularly training and not regularly training, Rage is good.

[Stereo]

Yeah, running unfunded the 40k/hour saving is pretty decent, and it adds up. If you spend 5 hours per level 50-70 using Rage, you save 4 million mesos.

[Findings]

First, I'm glad that you're getting rid of people's apples in CPQ. Even when I see 4th job classes using them on anything other than bosses, I cringe. The problem I have with people that Rage while I'm training is that they aren't consistent with it. They cancel out my pot right after I use it, then don't use Rage after it runs out, until I get impatient and use another Warrior Elixir, which is then canceled by their Rage again.

I don't merchant at all, and I've never had a problem with buying a stack of 100 Warrior Elixirs. I think SEA players would be quite outraged to see anyone complaining about pot cost in gMS.

On my Hero, which I haven't played for awhile, I always used rage when training alone, but took it off if I was at a boss or partying.

[Heidi]

Sometimes it is useful. If I am out of 12 atk potions, it's great.

Whether or not I use it depends on number of hits to kill, though if I am in a place that I'd really rather not keep casting rage (like himes) I'll tend to use 12 at potions.

Where there is dispel it is really best to not use it. Like in APQ. Annoys me when people expect me to rage them there.

In CPQ, I think rage is generally better than 12 atk potions. You can't use another potion while in CPQ, so you have to use them right before going in, and then if you don't get in you wasted one, and stuff like that. Rage, as long as the fighter remembers to keep casting it, is way better.

I am unfunded. From levels 50 - 100, rage helped me a lot

Though what on earth is a person gaining using an apple in CPQ?! I hope you told them to stop being stupid

[Dusk]

The only time Rage really bothers me is when people cast it on me while training, and then forget to renew it. Same with Haste. If you're going to buff me once with something that overrides an item I have, at least have the decency to keep the buff active instead of wasting my items.

When I'm playing my Fighter, I Rage in just about every PQ. It doesn't seem to bother anyone.

[modular]

seems like us ragers just suck at keeping the buff active. everyone else needs to say "rage plx" more often like they say "HASTE HASTE HASTE" or "HB HB HB".

and good work, people using apples in cpq deserve to die.

[Derimed]

The only time Rage really bothers me is when people cast it on me while training, and then forget to renew it. Same with Haste. If you're going to buff me once with something that overrides an item I have, at least have the decency to keep the buff active instead of wasting my items.

When I'm playing my Fighter, I Rage in just about every PQ. It doesn't seem to bother anyone.

It's not really a "decency" issue... this is a game, not a corporation with performance expectations. Some Bishops I know quit their characters because of people getting angry that they forgot to recast Holy Symbol and such. If you're grinding for 6 hours, that sort of thing will happen from time to time.

[Heidi]

There is a difference between trying to remember and being too lazy to cast it. Personally, if I can't be bothered raging everybody, I'll just say that I am not using rage, and I will use my 12 ATK potions instead.

I would get annoyed about a priest not casting HS, though a bishop forgetting sometimes is alright. A priests job in a party is to HS, or they are just leeching and doing nothing useful. A crusader is actually killing stuff, and their buff can be replaced with potions anyway. Though either way, a fighter/ crusader/ hero should decide from the start (when they join a party) whether or not they are going to rage, and not go back and forth.

[»-Chris->]

Those potions are not cheap. I heard in another thread that you're a major FMer; to you the cost of Warrior Elixirs is nothing, but to others can be an issue. Some people are extremely short on mesos, to the point where they cannot afford to scroll decent equipment and are lucky to have enough pots for the next day's training. To such a person having a free 10 att boost over a 12 att boost that costs 500k per 100 potions may be a good alternative. If it's the difference between regularly training and not regularly training, Rage is good.
Yellonde, no funding, no shop, nothing... Yet somehow I always trained and cpq'd with em. =P

[Moosepower]

i had a conversation with zahur9 from windia about rage, and we both agreed that rage > att pots. its only 2 att, doesnt make that much of a diff, doesnt use up a use slot, and it saves money. he has never used att pills, and with him being lv 19x, we lol'd trying to imagine how much money he saved from using rage and not att pots. and for bosses like pap or pianus you can just ask if you can rage, but i think for zak n ht you just assume everyone is using apples lol

[NoJobNoRules]

For any boss that dispels, it makes a lot of sense to use an attack potion. Having to recast rage over and over again...yea. :X

Other then that, Rage should almost always be used aside from big runs with Onyx Apples and whatnot. :o

[Horusmaster]

I really hate it when someone rages you with lvl 1 rage or sth, it's just useless even if you don't have attack pot.

and for maxed rage, I don't mind if people rages me, in fact i prefer it rather than using warrior elixer.

but what bothers me is that they cant rage constantly. when fighters rage, and when rage runs out, I had to use a warrior elixer, and then they rage again, making me waste my warrior elixer.

[Rayquaza2233]

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round?

I would, I CPQ on an xbow, I need all the additional damage I can get.

[bbg]

Players should expect that a warrior/crusader would Rage when he/she joins the party. If they don't want it, they should ask before the PQ begins. I usually Rage when nobody is in the AoE, unless others ask me to. Using Onyx Apples in CPQ is definitely not an intelligent idea anyway.

[JezzaRules]

Well problem is, all she said was 'OMG A FIGHTER' and does an f3 face as if she was making it plain obvious that she does not want me to use rage. I don't get why she didn't say "NO RAGE NO RAGE!" to me in the first place. *sigh* people seriously need to grow up nowadays >.>

[NoJobNoRules]

Nah. They just need to go back to teaching common sense in schools. ;)


Oh wait, they never did...guess they should start! :D

[Silver_ice]

rage is like giving ur party aids.. most wont be using atk pots and value it. but the odd people that do use 12 atk pots, maybe they need that 2 extra atk cuz it means a lot to them. plus it wont get dispelled, and with superior pots its best not to use an ancient skill

jus ask if people want rage before u use it, be smart, not noob.

[WillDaSnail]

I'd say that person deserved it. Why waste apples in CPQ, literally they're [insert swear word] useless anyways when monsters are weak enough to get killed within a few attacks........

Plus Rage and Warrior pots have a slight difference. Hey, unless its a low-level Rage that's bugging me, then I will have no problem since its free atk booster, saving me Warrior Elixirs for a time being. Plus, if you're a Sader/Hero, consider that as a backup just in case you run out of Warrior Elixirs during training. ;D

[Heidi]

Players should expect that a warrior/crusader would Rage when he/she joins the party. If they don't want it, they should ask before the PQ begins. I usually Rage when nobody is in the AoE, unless others ask me to. Using Onyx Apples in CPQ is definitely not an intelligent idea anyway.

Shouldn't it be up to the fighter/ crusader (lol warrior) to say?
It is their skill, not the other peoples

[kleptophobia]

Still, who WOULD waste mesos just for one potion in one CPQ round? Trust me, it helps. I've been able to lose to a team and then the next round win just because of simple 12 attack pill. And defaming her 6/7 times was a bit harsh, forgive and forget. Back in the old days, I got yelled at on my fighter for not having rage (FA first) and people were generally angry. Sometimes I was kicked from party; it is only fair that the reverse is true now, correct?

[NoJobNoRules]

Yea, generally, people should say something like "Don't use Rage, I'm using X potion" even though the math proves to be in the other people's favor most of the time. <_<

And I tend to ask for any major complaints ahead of time. :X

[Alloy]

I don't really use pots on this, and sincerely, if I did once, I'd give everyone one of those potions, so there's no need for rage until it runs out. But... Well, it's not really needed.

[Obike]

I follow pretty simple rules when it comes to rage.

When I train normally, I use rage. It saves money, it' not a dramatically huge difference, and ffs what kind of fighter/sader/hero would I be if I turned my back on my own talents?!

When I fight HARDER bosses, I use attack pots. Geist = Pansy, rage for him. Papulatus, Pianus, Zakum = Attack pots (Apples only on Zakum and up, it's a waste on Pap/Pia.) So I never worry about raging over other people in boss parties. If they ask for rage, I tell them to not be a cheapskate and get some bloody pots.

The only questionable time is when I train with other high level people. If I train with lower levels (Which I sometimes do) I just rage. They can go screw themself if they really think I crippled their damage. When I do train with higher levels, I first ask if they want rage. If I accidentally rage them, I just give them a warrior elixir to make up for the one I wasted. If they wasted an apple on training, I slap them. Apples for training = serious waste of money, minus well just buy leech and go watch a movie for that high of a cost.

[BTMachinez]

as a bloodless DrK I always have warrior elixirs on me but if a sader is in my party I don't mind them raging. It's just annoying when you're in places like pap and you wait forever for them to rage.....and you finally think hmmm maybe they are gonna use an att pot because they aren't raging.....so i'll use an att pot. Soon as I do it gets raged off....lol never fails.

I'd just say if you're gonna rage...then rage properly no one's gonna whine unless they're just annoying little dmg whore brats. I think it's just the noobs saders/fighters not knowing how to rage properly giving all of em a bad rap? =/

[MariaColette]

Using an Onyx Apple for CPQ...?

Excuse me for a moment. *walks to the other side of the world* ... *laughter can be heard*

*ahem* Anyway...

I hardly use attack pots so I couldn't care less if I'm being Raged. Heck, it's better for me, saves money. Why use an attack pot with a Fighter in the party? That's like... you're spending 5k for 2 attack. Dear Lord, talk about a waste of money. Save it for when there ISN'T a Fighter in the party because most of the time, Fighters will use Rage out of habit and that's an even bigger waste if you're using Elixers. At least I did anyway, when I had my Fighter.

I would only use an attack pot when I'm training without a Fighter. And even then, I hardly use them. They don't really matter much in lower levels to me.

[Stereo]

I hardly use attack pots so I couldn't care less if I'm being Raged. Heck, it's better for me, saves money. Why use an attack pot with a Fighter in the party? That's like... you're spending 5k for 2 attack. Dear Lord, talk about a waste of money.

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p

[MariaColette]

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p
*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

[Sivrat]

*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

Your post still makes sense, because that 2 atk from glove is permanent, and the 2atk from pots last 8 minutes.

[Strombidae]

Apple. In. CPQ.

lololkololo.

Seriously, people need to learn how to SPEAK if they're so concerned about using an attack pot. It's kind of common sense...

*Agrees with Karen (MariaColette)'s post.*

[JakeAndBake]

lol an onyx apple in CPQ. plus she said "OMG a Fighter" and din't leave, or tell you not to rage. :hothead:what surprizes me the most is that she didn't tell the party she was using apples. :f6:I guess she wanted to pretend her damage was natural, and that her char was just naturally godly. good luck with that:f3:

[Obike]

Tell that to the people who pay 300+ mil for a 14 atk glove when a 12 atk glove is only 150mil... ;p

Actually Karen and I both play on Windia... 12 atk in windia might be around 150m (Personally I skipped 12 :P), 13's around 300m now, 14 attack's 500m+... I got a good deal though, 400m for 14's . . .


*chokes*

Gah, dear Lord, I had no idea they were that costly. x___e; Great, now my post makes no sense. :|

*economic n00b* :<

You're a bit more than just an economical noob Karen, but we love you anyways. x] Besides, prices of gear always go up exponentially. for instance, a 16 attack glove would be over a billion. So in that instance, that'd be 500m+ for 2 attack xD Don't compare gear to skill/pots. Though really, rage fails for bosses cause of dispel. I personally pot when I solo pap, even though it's "more expensive", but in the end it's a better deal, since I get dispeled a lot. Saving time from not re-casting rage probably ends up saving me more time, pots, and overall money than just using rage.

Also replying to previous posts about idiot fighter/sader/heroes that have a stupid habit of raging, I have the same habit. HOWEVER, I'm not stupid =D I take rage off my key setting whenever I fight a boss, solo or partied. Worst case scenerio, I forget to put it back until I want to use it, take a few seconds to put it back, and go on with my life. Waste of a few seconds of training, but it saves me from raging over attack pots, both mine and others' =]

[Starlily]

I have a crusader and I train with atk potions and don't have rage hotkeyed. I think it's from experience playing a dexless hermit to frown upon rage, but most people in my guild feel the same way. Other hermits, nightlords, and bowmasters always go "grrrrr" when we get raged. Because atk potions are so cheap, it seems proper etiquette for ragers to ask if party members want rage or not. I know you all are using warrior elixirs as comparison, but there are people (with expanded use slots) who use ciders instead - they are 20 atk, last 3 mins, and only cost 1k (available in Showa or from Mo in Phantom Forest). The bad thing is that they take up one slot each, but for bowmasters who don't need to lug around arrows in their inventory, they work well. And for hermits/nightlords with maxed alchemist, they last a decent amount of time. Just fill up on them before you go training and you can gain inventory slots while you train each time you use one.

But for that sin, I doubt she was using an apple. That was for shock value for the sake of argument. As people have mentioned before, you can't use potion in waiting room or during the battle. She would've had to use it outside with no idea if the leader could get a battle instantly. When I CPQed, I didn't mind using a warrior elixir before entering a waiting room, but using an apple is really pointless.

CPQ is meso-free training. You get all the pots you need inside and you can't use your own pots anyway. Using 5k for a warrior elixir before going inside isn't much when you consider you're not using any mp/hp pots inside.

[JezzaRules]

She used the apple before entering the CPQ. I'm guessing she wanted to prove how godly her damage is and again I'm guessing she wanted to make it plain obvious she didnt want me to sue rage (which she didnt make it obvious at all :f7:). From what I know, I bet Onyx apples would make her kill rombots in 1-2 hits so we'd kill faster and she probably either is heavily funded or she has a main who APQs.

Most sins for some reason are damage hoars and want to prove their damage is godly >.>

[Ian]

I didnt read all the posts, but on my newest hero, i only got level 3 rage to I could get power gaurd. 5k for 8 minutes of two more attack is amazingly cheap considering the price of other attack equips. Someone has probably brought up this point, but why would i upgrade my weapon/shield/gloves by 2 attack when I can buy cheap two attack pots?

For other people, it just makes them use a 12 attack pot every there raged, to me, the money isnt bad, I just run out of pots really fast.

In CPQ it really pissed me off as I couldnt use another 12 attack pot if the first one is raged over, making me dependant on rage, which is even more annoying.

Also, on my first sader, I killed OVER NINE THOUSAND APPLES :P

[kleptophobia]

Well when damage doesn't matter (ie if you 2 hit kill either way) I'll gladly use my rage, but if it actually makes a difference (at a papulatus lets say) I'll use a 12 attack pill. People who use an apple in a CPQ are just...silly. Maple bless made it bad enough (lol sin ego comparisions)

[heronz]

the only reason i use atk pots for bossing is if they dispell. if the 2atk doesnt matter for training then honestly, it doesnt do that much for bossing too. dpm/dph is the same all around.