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Goals
2008-09-26, 07:46 PM
Hi, I want to know the magic needed to OHKO skeletons. Factor in Maple Warrior 20 + Blizzard 30 + Elemental Wand 7. I have all of those except the wand. Thanks :heart:

Cyanne
2008-09-26, 09:03 PM
I'm just gonna randomly assume 900 int for this since you didn't include it. You need about 1336 matk to 1-hit them 100% of the time, ignoring mdef.

Goals
2008-09-26, 09:12 PM
Oh dang Cyanne, you're right. It's going to be nearly impossible for me to 100% one hit them at 170. :f6:

Harrisonized
2008-09-27, 12:03 AM
I'm just gonna randomly assume 900 int for this since you didn't include it. You need about 1336 matk to 1-hit them 100% of the time, ignoring mdef.
I just noticed that the number you put up is 1 less than 1337. :f6:

Ant
2008-09-27, 06:06 PM
O_o I believe you should be definitely 1 hitting them by 170.

Check this guy out:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/663/maple0082hy6.jpg

I know it's against newties, but I play my friends I/L and it's around the same damage she does to skelegon's. She's lukless, have Blizz30, MW20 but no HT pendant and does 73~77k on average(estimated) and the highest I've seen is 82k. Level 142.

Cyanne
2008-09-27, 09:22 PM
I posted the magic for 100% 1-hit, not for a possible 1-hit or a 75% 1-hit or anything. If you notice in that picture, only 5/9 of the hits hit over 85k... not consistent enough for training in my opinion.

butterfλi
2008-09-28, 11:04 AM
I posted the magic for 100% 1-hit, not for a possible 1-hit or a 75% 1-hit or anything. If you notice in that picture, only 5/9 of the hits hit over 85k... not consistent enough for training in my opinion.

but thats only 15x. by 17x, or even 16x should give enough extra magic to bring that minimum damage above 85k. not to mention the time gap between 15x and 16x should be enough to make upgrades in between.

Goals
2008-09-28, 01:21 PM
O_o I believe you should be definitely 1 hitting them by 170.

Check this guy out:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/663/maple0082hy6.jpg

I know it's against newties, but I play my friends I/L and it's around the same damage she does to skelegon's. She's lukless, have Blizz30, MW20 but no HT pendant and does 73~77k on average(estimated) and the highest I've seen is 82k. Level 142.

I have an idea what his gear is. /not nearly as godly as he is :f1:

kIkO
2008-09-29, 04:20 AM
I posted the magic for 100% 1-hit, not for a possible 1-hit or a 75% 1-hit or anything. If you notice in that picture, only 5/9 of the hits hit over 85k... not consistent enough for training in my opinion.

Are you counting the M.atk boost?(25%) that could make the M.atk needed a bit lower

Kaasoljoyyx
2008-09-29, 11:30 AM
O_o I believe you should be definitely 1 hitting them by 170.

Check this guy out:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/663/maple0082hy6.jpg

I know it's against newties, but I play my friends I/L and it's around the same damage she does to skelegon's. She's lukless, have Blizz30, MW20 but no HT pendant and does 73~77k on average(estimated) and the highest I've seen is 82k. Level 142.

His gear is very godly and pretty much the ideal ending point on every piece of equipment.

Kevo
2008-09-29, 01:08 PM
O_o I believe you should be definitely 1 hitting them by 170.

Check this guy out:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/663/maple0082hy6.jpg

I know it's against newties, but I play my friends I/L and it's around the same damage she does to skelegon's. She's lukless, have Blizz30, MW20 but no HT pendant and does 73~77k on average(estimated) and the highest I've seen is 82k. Level 142.

Hi Ant & Fab :o!

And eww at Fabby's haxor damage D:. I think he's still in the process of upgrading zzzz...

Cyanne
2008-09-29, 06:38 PM
Are you counting the M.atk boost?(25%) that could make the M.atk needed a bit lower

Don't elemental weapons only add to damage? I included the increase in terms of damage, but I don't know how it would affect damage if the boost was applied to magic instead.

MissAsh
2008-09-29, 08:09 PM
I suppose if you play the percentage, wouldn't it be possible to do it with about 1k magic (1004?) also? Assuming you have an elemental wand, that is. The boost from the wand would probably help you out quite a bit if you dont have the raw magic to do it with another weapon.

RajPwN
2008-09-29, 08:27 PM
I have an idea what his gear is. /not nearly as godly as he is :f1:

At level 170 you will have 70 base int more than him (if you both are luckless).. That will probably make up for your gear? If it makes you as strong as him, and Skeles have the same m.def as Newties, then you will probably ohko sometimes..

butterfλi
2008-09-29, 08:36 PM
people are acting like skeles are the LAST thing you're ever gonna train on and that if you cant 1hko a skele, you fail being an archmage.

a high leveled FP without and elemental weapon and maxed meteo can these things from the time temple if they can hit a constant 99k+.
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Monsters/Level_111-120#Guardian_Captain_of_Regret

of course with an elemental, FPs can do it earlier... like 15x? with a maxed meteo, it shouldnt be too hard to hit a constant 99k with elemental weapons AND elemental boost.

they have more exp per kill, and they will empty since i/l and bishops are not likely to be there. the only question now is the spawn of these things vs skele.

Cyanne
2008-09-29, 08:51 PM
I suppose if you play the percentage, wouldn't it be possible to do it with about 1k magic (1004?) also? Assuming you have an elemental wand, that is. The boost from the wand would probably help you out quite a bit if you dont have the raw magic to do it with another weapon.

Elemental weapons obviously don't boost both at once. I'm talking about whether or not they boost damage or magic. With 1200 magic and 900 int, max blizzard would do 89k max damage with a damage boost or 100k max damage with the magic boost. I just assumed that it was damage since it seemed a lot more reasonable.


people are acting like skeles are the LAST thing you're ever gonna train on and that if you cant 1hko a skele, you fail being an archmage.

a high leveled FP without and elemental weapon and maxed meteo can these things from the time temple if they can hit a constant 99k+.
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Monsters/Level_111-120#Guardian_Captain_of_Regret

of course with an elemental, FPs can do it earlier... like 15x? with a maxed meteo, it shouldnt be too hard to hit a constant 99k with elemental weapons AND elemental boost.

they have more exp per kill, and they will empty since i/l and bishops are not likely to be there. the only question now is the spawn of these things vs skele.

The map is terrible, unfortunately =/

Goals
2008-09-29, 11:27 PM
I will probably get a Horntail pendant before 170 and I will get a 160 stats ice wand at least :X.

If anyone will, calculate when I will one hit 100% with: +356 Magic bonus exactly (with the ice wand I want and avg pendant w/ egg)

By 170 I should have this amount of magic fully buffed (if all goes well): 1224 + med + 99 from MW = 1343 Magic.



This is not 100%, because I sure WILL do a lot more stat whoring for my ULTIMATE goal. Haha pun :f2: We will see, since I still need around 3b for things at the moment. It'll take me like at least 2 months to get this much. No levels too -.-. Damn you school.

Molly
2008-10-01, 04:27 PM
the 25% boost is to the spell--ie: ice spells gain +25% to the spell attack or 10% to the light based attacks when using an ice wand/staff

Goals
2008-10-05, 10:19 PM
people are acting like skeles are the LAST thing you're ever gonna train on and that if you cant 1hko a skele, you fail being an archmage.

a high leveled FP without and elemental weapon and maxed meteo can these things from the time temple if they can hit a constant 99k+.
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Monsters/Level_111-120#Guardian_Captain_of_Regret

of course with an elemental, FPs can do it earlier... like 15x? with a maxed meteo, it shouldnt be too hard to hit a constant 99k with elemental weapons AND elemental boost.

they have more exp per kill, and they will empty since i/l and bishops are not likely to be there. the only question now is the spawn of these things vs skele.

Well in GMS, skeletons are. I want to ohko skeletons so higher levels will be a breezy for me. :heart:

/not a leveler type




On the main topic: I estimated that around maybe 1370 magic should ohko all the time. My friend ohko 98% with 1344 magic. O.O that's like high 17x for me.

Cyanne
2008-10-05, 10:57 PM
Don't think training will be a breeze; the spawn there won't be nearly as good as newties unless you have like two insane attackers or something on the bottom, which also cuts into your exp rates. Newties continuously spawn unless someone's messing with the golems down below, so you won't have to go through that extra inconvenience of finding (an) attacker(s) for that extra like <1mil exp/hour at skelegons.