Mubarak resigns

[Devil]

Welcome to the free world Egypt! :)

[Erebus]

Bout time.
Now all they need is to start a democratic process in the midst of total chaos and hope the country isn't taken over by Muslim extremist.
or have things kind of calm down?

[Sn1perJohnE]

Bout time.
Now all they need is to start a democratic process in the midst of total chaos and hope the country is taken over by Muslim extremist.
or have things kind of calm down?

Hope it is, or hope it isnt?

Getting taken over by extremist groups isnt good.

[Fiel]

Isn't (Wasn't?) Egypt a key player in middle eastern peace talks? What does this mean for our troops?

[Anonymous Moose]

Welcome to the free world Egypt! :)

Its too early to make such assumptions. Even though a ruthless dictator is out of office, a new dictator could easily take his place.

My main worry is the Muslim Brotherhood right now. A group that openly wishes to create more conflict in the middle east. If there is more conflict, that would give the US government more of a reason to ignore the people's demands to bring the troops home. This is especially true if Isreal, one of the targets of the Muslim Brotherhood, feels threatened.
Of course, this isnt my only fear... There are far more threats to peace and freedom than this one group.

Just as a disclaimer, I have nothing against Muslims and all Muslim friends that I have agree that these extremists give Muslims a bad name.

[OB3LISK]

Give me an article to read ogm. Brb I guess I'll go look...

[Anonymous Moose]

Give me an article to read ogm. Brb I guess I'll go look...

This is one http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-11/mubarak-leaves-presidency-hands-power-to-egypt-s-military-suleiman-says.html
And I dont like the idea of handing the power to the military... That usually results in a dictatorship.

[OB3LISK]

Oh thanks Anonymous Moose. Instead of looking for that article I picked up my PSP...And things came to things...Okay now.

[Locked]

I listen to both Arabic news and American news and man, both sides sure are different.

[KajitiSouls]

Isn't (Wasn't?) Egypt a key player in middle eastern peace talks? What does this mean for our troops?

You mean when it comes to convenience for America? Sure.

I'm very worried about the anarchy that might consume Egypt however; just because he resigned doesn't mean Egypt will become part of the "free world". But this is just my thoughts up front about just reading "Mubarak resigns", I have yet to read a full article of any sort.

EDIT: Okay just read an article. Military will take over for now. Personally I think dictatorship is better than anarchy.

[Anonymous Moose]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12443678

Welcome to the world of Military Totalitarianism Egypt.

And it looks like Egypt wasnt the only country stupid enough to shut off the internet: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/8320772/Algeria-shuts-down-internet-and-Facebook-as-protest-mounts.html

I seriously hope the internet kill switch for America fails.

[Devil]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12443678

Welcome to the world of Military Totalitarianism Egypt.No... that's not what's happening...

It's normal for the army to take control of a country after the head of state is driven away, since that's the only professional organization without noobs. (I chose the word noob carefully here! :P)

The army will give back their power after elections have been held.

True, they can always start abusing their power, but that would be a total failure for Egypt. Don't forget 40% of Egypt's income is made of tourism, lots of tourists won't come and visit a country ruled by a general of the army, abusing power.

Even Mubarak was smart enough to give up his general rank when he became president. ;)

Also don't forget, they have the whole world is watching over their shoulder... America with Obama will never accept the military taking over control, and Egypt's army is heavily funded by America (+/- 1 billion per year). So the army won't take over and abuse their temporary power.

[Anonymous Moose]

The army will give back their power after elections have been held.

Also don't forget, they have the whole world is watching over their shoulder... America with Obama will never accept the military taking over control, and Egypt's army is heavily funded by America (+/- 1 billion per year). So the army won't take over and abuse their temporary power.

...A government giving up power? Thats laughable. The only possible way the military would give up power is if protests continued. And Obama never accepting military rule? Military rule is perfect for Obama's and the US government's agenda. Dictatorships and Totalitarian States are perfect for forcing US imperialism on other countries. Why do you think America propped up the dictator Mubarak for decades (in fact, a good portion of foreign aid to Egypt never went to the people, it went to Mubarak's pocket)?

[Alloy]

...A government giving up power? Thats laughable. The only possible way the military would give up power is if protests continued. And Obama never accepting military rule? Military rule is perfect for Obama's and the US government's agenda. Dictatorships and Totalitarian States are perfect for forcing US imperialism on other countries. Why do you think America propped up the dictator Mubarak for decades?

...So you expect a bunch of people partying really hard at the moment to take care of the government how?

Please name ANY other institution that is organized, has an idea of how to run a country, or set up a democratic enviroment. Because up to now, the only other thing apart from the army, was a guy that is now running away ver very fast.

[Anonymous Moose]

...So you expect a bunch of people partying really hard at the moment to take care of the government how?

Please name ANY other institution that is organized, has an idea of how to run a country, or set up a democratic enviroment. Because up to now, the only other thing apart from the army, was a guy that is now running away ver very fast.

Doesnt anyone know anything aobut history? Just look at America. Our country was founded quite well after we earned our independence.

Back to Egypt, they have a parliament and a government body that can rule (yes, even dictatorships have to have people in the government to help the dictator rule). Mubarak just choose to give the military power, and they suspended the constitution rather than simply electing a new president and adapting standard democratic processes.

[Alloy]

Doesnt anyone know anything aobut history? Just look at America. Our country was founded quite well after we earned our independence.

Back to Egypt, they have a parliament and a government body that can rule (yes, even dictatorships have to have people in the government to help the dictator rule). Mubarak just choose to give the military power, and they suspended the constitution rather than simply electing a new president and adapting standard democratic processes.

In Spain, our last dictator gave the government to a King, and the King decided to stablish a Constitution. It could have very well ended in a tyranny aswell.

[Anonymous Moose]

In Spain, our last dictator gave the government to a King, and the King decided to stablish a Constitution. It could have very well ended in a tyranny aswell.

Some kings are good people, but they are not exactly common and what makes you think that a military that suspended the constitution and established martial law would give up that power?

Edit: By the way, Mubarak is in a coma now. http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/sources-mubarak-falls-coma-sharm-al-sheikh

[Devil]

A government giving up power? Thats laughable. The only possible way the military would give up power is if protests continued. And Obama never accepting military rule? Military rule is perfect for Obama's and the US government's agenda. Dictatorships and Totalitarian States are perfect for forcing US imperialism on other countries. Why do you think America propped up the dictator Mubarak for decades (in fact, a good portion of foreign aid to Egypt never went to the people, it went to Mubarak's pocket)?- The military never stated they are the new government now.
- Answer to your question: Israel. The Egypt army said they will respect the current peace treaties -> Israel = happy = USA = happy.


Some kings are good people, but they are not exactly common and what makes you think that a military that suspended the constitution and established martial law would give up that power?

Edit: By the way, Mubarak is in a coma now. http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/sources-mubarak-falls-coma-sharm-al-sheikhDid you really folow the news?

- They suspended the Constitution made by Mubarak & friends, so a new one can be created before the elections, and can be voted into action after the elections.
- Military did not estabish martial law, the martial law was established during the Mubarak regime, and they're going to close it down in a few days.

Also, the reason why the military wants the protesters to go away from the streets and go back to daily life, is so tourism can continue, while a new constitution is made and elections are being prepared (remember that there are no political parties right now in Egypt), because they're losing millions of income because the tourists stay away atm. Again, 40% of Egypts economy runs on tourism.

[Anonymous Moose]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/164997.html

I'm following the news, and the Military doesnt seem to give a damn about the people.


However, the new military leadership did not set a timetable to fulfill the pledge [For Democracy].

Thousands of protesters vowed to remain on the major landmark until their demands are met.

Activists have demanded the release of political prisoners, the lifting of a 30-year-old state of emergency and the disbandment of military courts. They say demonstrations will continue until the army accepts the reforms.

[...]
Reports say the Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators since protests erupted on January 25 demanding Mubarak's ouster.

There is a good reason Mubarak left the state in the rule of the military, and it was not for freedom.

Edit: Also what is more important, the people's freedoms or the silly tourism? Assuming you are right about the military wanting the protesters to leave for the sake of tourism, it means that the military cares far more about the money than the people.


go back to daily life
And you miss the point of protesting. The people protested to change their life, for a better life. They didnt have this protest so that they can go back to the daily life they had before the protests. They did this to move forward to a better life.

[Tay]

Kind of random, but I am really starting to fear that 2012 is the end with all of this. :|

[Pixie]

No longer a President but is now the worlds richest man.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/is-hosni-mubarak-the-worlds-richest-man/story-e6frfku0-1226006065650

[Anonymous Moose]

No longer a President but is now the worlds richest man.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/is-hosni-mubarak-the-worlds-richest-man/story-e6frfku0-1226006065650

Remember America, this is where most American foreign aid (AKA your tax dollars went) to Egypt went.
http://www.politicolnews.com/the-us-is-financing-my-oppression-egypt-says/

As it stands now Egyptians feel the US has to take a stand against the oppressive government they have helped to finance by 2 billion dollars year. This money has gone into the President’s personal bank accounts and his wealth is not reported to be 40 billion to 80 billion dollars in net value.
http://www.politicolnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/FoodforDictators-X-300x223.gif