[Infighter] Dash vs MP recovery

[lord farkuad]

Hey guys i have mentioned this in previous forums but i dont remember ever getting answered.

I contacted Daemarius a while ago asking about how i can max straight, Somersault kick, QM, AND dash, because i love how it works.

He said, max sash, somersault, and straight in 1st job, get QM to 11, and in SECOND job, instead of maxing Mp recovery, max QM

But that was a while ago, now i keep hearing that dash is bad because it messes your moving up.

I dont get this, i find that double tapping would make the game more fun, and i do not care at ALL if i have to double tap every time i have to move, so please explain to me why with all of what i just said, it is so bad to get dash.

[Takebacker]

The main reason is because one of your mob stunning attacks involves you turning around to do damage and stun (backspin blow). Dash deactivates when you turn around thus making it useless in training.

Otherwise, it's awesome for traveling.

[lord farkuad]

so what if it cancels.. its not like theres a delay is there? like lets say you are holding right, and are dashing to the right. if you press left would it just cancel and you would stay facing the right? or do you turn left immidiately cuz i can see the second option being fine and i will still max dash

btw Takebacker, whats ur gunslinger-to-be's name in windia, i wanna add u on my infighter-to-be

[Takebacker]

You would turn left and it would cancel. It's just useless for training because you're almost CONSTANTLY turning left and right.

I don't even remember my name. xD I made him, but that was a long time ago.

[Spadow]

MP Recovery is useful, maxed Dash only gives you more speed. Why bother maxing Dash if you can always ask for Haste?

It's not bad to get Dash, but the fact that other party members can cast Haste makes it useless.

I always use MP Recovery, every minute i spend.
Get 1 Dash and max MP Recovery, and max Quick Motion to get +20 accuracy and +20 avoid

[DeeD]

You're not gonna party a thief all the time. If anything you'll get bless or hb more often than haste. I can't remember the last time I trained with a thief.

[JoeTang]

MP Recovery is fundamentally flawed in GMS. Its only use would be for when you have a Cleric to Heal you, or when you run out of MP potions.

[madanthony]

If it makes you feel better farkuad, that's what I'm planning on doing. MP Recovery is useless with NLC pots. Useless in training but useful outside training is better than straight-up useless. I'm assuming you fall into the same category as most of the people prepping for pirates here, plenty of money to pay for MP pots lost to whatever useless dashing is done in training.

[0mgP1r4tes]

Hey guys i have mentioned this in previous forums but i dont remember ever getting answered.

I contacted Daemarius a while ago asking about how i can max straight, Somersault kick, QM, AND dash, because i love how it works.

He said, max sash, somersault, and straight in 1st job, get QM to 11, and in SECOND job, instead of maxing Mp recovery, max QM

But that was a while ago, now i keep hearing that dash is bad because it messes your moving up.

I dont get this, i find that double tapping would make the game more fun, and i do not care at ALL if i have to double tap every time i have to move, so please explain to me why with all of what i just said, it is so bad to get dash.
I said that if you were that bent on maxing all your first job skills (except couble fire) you could sacrifice MP Recovery

Do I recommend it? No. The 9acc / 9avd loss from QM is alot better than getting rid of an entire skill, and a useful one at that

[lord farkuad]

How is MP recovery usefull... i dont know if im different but i have only played a hermit, and at wolf spiders, i hit, i pot, and im always checking my mp so i dont see myself EVER using MP recovery.

and so what if im constantly turning as a pirate, ill just constantly double tap its not really that hard..

*oh and at whoever said it, yeah ill have enough money for mana potions all the time*

EDIT: oh and at Dae, now your saying that its better to get 11 QM, max straight, max somersault, max dash, AND mp recovery?

[Arrg]

MP Recovery is fundamentally flawed in GMS. Its only use would be for when you have a Cleric to Heal you, or when you run out of MP potions.

What do you mean in gMS? It's the same thing as it is in kMS.

[KaidaTan]

What do you mean in gMS? It's the same thing as it is in kMS.

Not quite. gMS is the only version that has MP pots that have a 1/1 ratio of cost to MP recovered. This is identical to the standard 1ish/1 ratio for nearly all HP pots in the game. So essentially you're sacrificing 1 for 1 in gMS, since HP and MP are worth the same amount here.

Although, this could end up being less true in later levels when it's worth it to use Ginger or Honster. Honestly, I don't see a reason not to use MP recovery for most of the game unless you're worried it would severely impact your training speed. I think it would be nice to not have to use an MP pot ever until you start bossing.

[0mgP1r4tes]

How is MP recovery usefull... i dont know if im different but i have only played a hermit, and at wolf spiders, i hit, i pot, and im always checking my mp so i dont see myself EVER using MP recovery.

and so what if im constantly turning as a pirate, ill just constantly double tap its not really that hard..

*oh and at whoever said it, yeah ill have enough money for mana potions all the time*

EDIT: oh and at Dae, now your saying that its better to get 11 QM, max straight, max somersault, max dash, AND mp recovery?
This is my 2nd job build, it has not changed ONCE since I first posted my entire build in April of 2008. The only skill I said you should ever sacrifice for Dash is Quick Motion. I said you COULD sacrifie MP recovery, but in my opinion maxed MP Recovery is more useful than the 9acc and 9 avoid you'd get from maxed Quick Motion

30: +1 ImHP(1)
31: +3 ImHP(4)
32: +3 ImHP(7)
33: +3 ImHP(MAX)
34: +2 Screw Punch(2), +1 Knuckle Mastery(1)
35: +3 Knuckle Mastery(4)
36: +1 Knuckle Mastery(5), +2 Knuckle Booster(2)
37: +3 Knuckle Booster(5)
38: +1 Screw Punch(3), +2 Knuckle Mastery(7)
39: +1 Screw Punch(4), +2 Knuckle Mastery(9)
40: +1 Screw Punch(5), +2 Knuckle Mastery(11)
41: +1 Screw Punch(6), +2 Knuckle Mastery(13)
42: +1 Screw Punch(7), +2 Knuckle Mastery(15)
43: +1 Screw Punch(8), +2 Knuckle Mastery(17)
44: +1 Screw Punch(9), +2 Knuckle Mastery(19)
45: +2 Screw Punch(11), +1 Knuckle Booster(6)
46: +2 Screw Punch(13), +1 Double Upper(1)
47: +2 Screw Punch(15), +1 Double Upper(2)
48: +2 Screw Punch(17), +1 Double Upper(3)
49: +2 Screw Punch(19), +1 Double Upper(4)
50: +1 Screw Punch(MAX), +1 Double Upper(5), +1 Backspin Blow(1)
51: +3 Double Upper(8)
52: +3 Double Upper(11)
53: +3 Double Upper(14)
54: +3 Double Upper(17)
55: +3 Double Upper(MAX)
56: +3 Backspin Blow(4)
57: +3 Backspin Blow(7)
58: +3 Backspin Blow(10)
59: +3 Backspin Blow(13)
60: +3 Backspin Blow(16)
61: +3 Backspin Blow(19)
62: +1 Backspin Blow(MAX), +1 MP Recovery(1), +1 Oak Barrel(1)
63: +3 MP Recovery(4)
64: +3 MP Recovery(7)
65: +3 MP Recovery(MAX)
66: +3 Knuckle Booster(9)
67: +3 Knuckle Booster(12)
68: +3 Knuckle Booster(15)
69: +3 Knuckle Booster(18)
70: +2 Knuckle Booster(MAX), +1 Knuckle Mastery(MAX)

Skill Dist. at Lvl 70: 121 Points Total

• 10 ImHP (Improving Max HP Increase)
• 20 Knuckle Mastery
• 20 Knuckle Booster
• 20 Double Upper
• 20 Backspin Blow
• 20 Screw Punch
• 10 MP Recovery
• 1 Oak Barrel

[Sivrat]

im still trying to decide whether i want dash or not, MP recovery seems good, but then again, so did Drain, and i never did get around to using that(dont even have it on a key). And 9 accuracy doesnt seem like much. Plus second and third jobs get a skill that boosts accuracy, but only temporarily in the third job skill, but it doesnt seem like there is a downtime

Tell me, how much dex = accuracy again? i was thinking it was 1 dex = .8 acc or someting like that, or was i wrong.

Is it going to be an issue potentially HTing? At least hitting it.

[Jmax]

MP recovery probably isn't that useful. It can only be used every 25 seconds. It's like a worse version on Chakra.

[NoWaizMatt]

Or...for accuracy problems, you could max QM in first job, and replace MP recovery with Dash...

[Sivrat]

MP recovery probably isn't that useful. It can only be used every 25 seconds. It's like a worse version on Chakra.

huh, so there is a cool down time. I think that decides it for me at least, ill just use pots even though recovery seems like it might be somewhat useful. I mean, if it wasnt cool down, you could just put it as your mp pots, i mean 10% of health to heal all MP isnt bad.

[FallenMemory]

Is there any way to disable dash from activating on the double tapping on the arrow keys?

[0mgP1r4tes]

Is there any way to disable dash from activating on the double tapping on the arrow keys?
From what I have heard, no there isnt

You can put it on a hotkey like any other skill, but it still activates with a double tap even if you hotkey it

Personally I think they should have it that if you hotkey it, it disables the double tab

[Stereo]

Although, this could end up being less true in later levels when it's worth it to use Ginger or Honster. Honestly, I don't see a reason not to use MP recovery for most of the game unless you're worried it would severely impact your training speed. I think it would be nice to not have to use an MP pot ever until you start bossing.

I dunno what base MP infighters have, but on my Paladin (~7200 hp, 800 mp) I don't even use MP pots much anymore thanks to the 40% recovery on Ginsengs. I'm definitely looting more MP Elixirs than I use (I gain about 400 a level..) so extra MP recovery would just mean I got more crap in my inventory.

[0mgP1r4tes]

I dunno what base MP infighters have, but on my Paladin (~7200 hp, 800 mp) I don't even use MP pots much anymore thanks to the 40% recovery on Ginsengs. I'm definitely looting more MP Elixirs than I use (I gain about 400 a level..) so extra MP recovery would just mean I got more crap in my inventory.
From what Ive seen, a level 120 Viper has around 2500 MP

[Arroz]

ill tell you right now dash SUCKS for infighters its amazing for gunslingers and it stacks with speed and jump eq. If you were in jms and you had dash you would only look like an idiot I'll tell you that right now

I forgot to mention i started in JMS like 3 days ago and I already have a lvl 31 slinger, but basically take it from me you will only break your char if you do that

[FallenMemory]

From what I have heard, no there isnt

You can put it on a hotkey like any other skill, but it still activates with a double tap even if you hotkey it

Personally I think they should have it that if you hotkey it, it disables the double tab

I'm actually leaning towards getting no dash at all and getting double barrel shot for fun instead. It seems like dash would only get in my way and the annoyance would outway the benefits. I one of those guys who double tap their keys anyways so it seems like it would be an annoyance.

[Eriko]

From what Ive seen, a level 120 Viper has around 2500 MP
How the hell does that happen?

[psychopat]

Well my archer has 2000 at 112 but that's with a deputy badge and I think 30 on the level 100 hat, so let's assume 2k for archers at 120. I'd assume pirates would be similar, although 2500 does sound a bit too high to be logical.

[0mgP1r4tes]

How the hell does that happen?

Well my archer has 2000 at 112 but that's with a deputy badge and I think 30 on the level 100 hat, so let's assume 2k for archers at 120. I'd assume pirates would be similar, although 2500 does sound a bit too high to be logical.
Proof
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/clxjames/Maple0185.jpg

Any other questions?

[FallenMemory]

So would not getting Dash at all because of the annoyance factor be a big issue?

[0mgP1r4tes]

So would not getting Dash at all because of the annoyance factor be a big issue?
Unless you have Tourettes, or some sort of hyperactive disorder, I dont see how you can accidentally activate Dash very often

[MysticHLE]

I assign Dash to a key. It's an active SINGLE KEY skill for me. I never double tab my directions. It's very useful while moving from mob to mob and getting around places. 5MP is also nothing.

[0mgP1r4tes]

I assign Dash to a key. It's an active SINGLE KEY skill for me. I never double tab my directions. It's very useful while moving from mob to mob and getting around places. 5MP is also nothing.
Ding. Winner

[MysticHLE]

btw, I ditched Flash Fist.

[FallenMemory]

Yea I put one Dash and Ima max it now and Ditch flash fist.