Comment on my CB build

[Mopsy]

I was playing around on my CB to be and felt motivated to do this. Comments/criticism are welcome. And let me know if the skill points don't add up. >__>


70 1 Assaulter (1)
71 1 ME (1) 2 Chakra (2)
72 1 Chakra (3) 1 MG (1) 1 BoT (1)
73 3 BoT (4)
...
(Spend these points, it's not worth saving for the next power set)
74 7
75 10
...
76 2 BoT (12)
(Save these)
78 6 BoT (18) 1 Ass (2)
79 3 Ass (5)
...
80 8
81 11
82 14
83 17
84 20
85 23
86 26
87 29
...
88 1 Ass (30) 2 MG (3)
89 2 MG (5)
91 6 BoT (24)
(Save these)
93 6 BoT (30) 1 MG (6)
94 3 MG (9)
...
95 12
96 15
97 18
...
98 2 MG (20) 1 ME (2)
99 3 ME (5)
...
100 8
101 11
102 14
103 17
104 20
105 23
106 26
107 29
108 1 MG (30) 2 Chakara (5)
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109 8
110 11
111 13
112 16
113 17
114 20
115 23
116 26
117 29
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118 1 Chakara (30) 2 PP (2)
119 3 PP (5)
120 3 PP (8)

[DrRusty]

why do u have maxed chakra instead of PP?? Chakra is so slow to cast and only works when you're below 50% hp. By the time you get to lvl 100+, hopefully you're already using ur own pots.

PP works great for a good initial hit on gobis houses, knocking off over 1/2 of their health in one hit.

Also it works great when mobbing himes from one side to the other.

[Mopsy]

why do u have maxed chakra instead of PP?? Chakra is so slow to cast and only works when you're below 50% hp. By the time you get to lvl 100+, hopefully you're already using ur own pots.

PP works great for a good initial hit on gobis houses, knocking off over 1/2 of their health in one hit.

Also it works great when mobbing himes from one side to the other.

Because everything I've heard says that after a certain (110-130? somewhere around there) BoT > ME + PP. Plus, Chakra got beefed recently I believe.

[DrRusty]

Because everything I've heard says that after a certain (110-130? somewhere around there) BoT > ME + PP. Plus, Chakra got beefed recently I believe.

ya it got beefed as in you dont get hurt as much when you get hit while casting it. PP is still useful during 4th job, just not as useful as during 3rd job, and its a hell of alot more useful than chakra

[Mopsy]

ya it got beefed as in you dont get hurt as much when you get hit while casting it. PP is still useful during 4th job, just not as useful as during 3rd job, and its a hell of alot more useful than chakra

Usefull howso? And anoyne got a link to the new Chakra table? Or has HS updated for it? o--o

[Greg22]

Chakra's been buffed, yes. 300% Regeneration and you take like.. 70% or 80% damage if hit. I can use it inbetween hime mobs if a priest is mobbing for me; it's actually quite useful now.

Even if Chakra WASN'T buffed, I'd still have maxed it. PP sucks supreme useless-skill dick. It's completely useless after you hit Shadower; even more useless than it was from when you had one point of it. My PP is level 11, and I took it off my keyboard so I'd have room for Assassinate/BStep. It's worthless.

[Zeistka]

Nice abbreviation for Assaulter :f3:

If you plan on bombing himes, shouldn't you get Meso Explosion at lv 70 and put more points into it sooner than level 98?

[Mopsy]

Nice abbreviation for Assaulter :f3:

If you plan on bombing himes, shouldn't you get Meso Explosion at lv 70 and put more points into it sooner than level 98?

Lazy me is lazy.

And I don't plan on bombing himes. o---o Where'd you get that from?

[Zeistka]

I was assuming you wanted the fast exp from bombing himes. Are you getting 1 point in Meso Explosion just for fun then?

[Mopsy]

Actually, I was going to use it to GPQ. o--o Because from what I hear 6x% for no pot costs + GP gain = win. :D

Edit:

Usefull howso?

Was a serious question. In what situation do you use PP + ME where BoT doesn't work? I'm not even a CB yet so I don't know. >_> <_<

[DrRusty]

Actually, I was going to use it to GPQ. o--o Because from what I hear 6x% for no pot costs + GP gain = win. :D

Edit:


Was a serious question. In what situation do you use PP + ME where BoT doesn't work? I'm not even a CB yet so I don't know. >_> <_<

PP + ME does around 7k-8k+ when its focused on a single target (ex gobis house with mesos beneath it) It takes a while before you can do that with BOT. You need almost 4k range to do consistent 8ks with BOT which you wont get until late 13x if you're very very well equipped (just look at jsaladbar and mastayoshi). Also, BOT isnt ranged, while mesos bomb has around the same range as bstep. It helps keep a flow going while training by letting u mesos bomb one way to finish off a monster, then continue killing in the other direction.

Chakra's animation is just to slow for it to be useful while training. Sure if you're goofing off at pirates in herb town that do 200 damage , then ya chakra would be great at saving pots. Other than that though, If you're trainin at skeles, stopping for 3 secs for everytime you get hit, just to cast chakra, is hardly what i would call efficient.

Sure BOT outdmgs PP + mesos bomb later in life, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt get it all together. Would u tell a fire mage not to get mist just because he gets meteo in 4th job? dont think so

Edit: I just lvld to lvl 114 today and finally maxed out PP. Currently I have maxed everything excpet chakra (lvl 3) and shield mastery (lvl 0)

I have 6 lvls til 4th job which = 18 sp
This translates into lvl 21 chakra and 0 shield mastery.

So actually u can almost get both.

Edit #2: Decided im putting all my points into endure

Level 18: Additional recovery of HP +54, MP +18 every 12 seconds

MP + 18 every 12 seconds sounds alot better than chakra
Passive skills <3

[★tastie]

PP + ME does around 7k-8k+ when its focused on a single target (ex gobis house with mesos beneath it) It takes a while before you can do that with BOT. You need almost 4k range to do consistent 8ks with BOT which you wont get until late 13x if you're very very well equipped (just look at jsaladbar and mastayoshi). Also, BOT isnt ranged, while mesos bomb has around the same range as bstep. It helps keep a flow going while training by letting u mesos bomb one way to finish off a monster, then continue killing in the other direction.

Chakra's animation is just to slow for it to be useful while training. Sure if you're goofing off at pirates in herb town that do 200 damage , then ya chakra would be great at saving pots. Other than that though, If you're trainin at skeles, stopping for 3 secs for everytime you get hit, just to cast chakra, is hardly what i would call efficient.

Sure BOT outdmgs PP + mesos bomb later in life, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt get it all together. Would u tell a fire mage not to get mist just because he gets meteo in 4th job? dont think so

Edit: I just lvld to lvl 114 today and finally maxed out PP. Currently I have maxed everything excpet chakra (lvl 3) and shield mastery (lvl 0)

I have 6 lvls til 4th job which = 18 sp
This translates into lvl 21 chakra and 0 shield mastery.

So actually u can almost get both.

Edit #2: Decided im putting all my points into endure

Level 18: Additional recovery of HP +54, MP +18 every 12 seconds

MP + 18 every 12 seconds sounds alot better than chakra
Passive skills <3

pp is indeed absolutely useless after 4th job heck its barely useful before that because of bot. with chakra you can use it during apq or goofing off, traveling, etc. in many cases it does work in training for example at squids. its better to get something you will use occasionaly even if its not over something you literally wont use at all.
your reference to how fire mages get mist even though they get meteor is ridiculous. their main method of training before 4th job is mist. such a reference is more comparable to why a bandit gets assaulter since it has boomerang step during 4th job which obviously lacks common sense.

why dont u have maxed endure already?

[DrRusty]

pp is indeed absolutely useless after 4th job heck its barely useful before that because of bot. with chakra you can use it during apq or goofing off, traveling, etc. in many cases it does work in training for example at squids. its better to get something you will use occasionaly even if its not over something you literally wont use at all.
your reference to how fire mages get mist even though they get meteor is ridiculous. their main method of training before 4th job is mist. such a reference is more comparable to why a bandit gets assaulter since it has boomerang step during 4th job which obviously lacks common sense.

why dont u have maxed endure already?

I guess saying Eruption instead of mist would have been a better example.

Anyways, If you're using chakra for goofing off or traveling, then whats wrong with just LvL 3 chakra? Does it really need to be maxed if you're goofing off with it?

CatBoy from SW had a ShiningRayLess guide for bishops because they get genesis in 4th job. Why max shining ray when you can get doom instead right??? its so much more fun!! Yah its also so much more useless. Kind of like chakra. You don't need anymore than a few points in doom, and you dont need anymore than a few points in chakra.

Atleast PP can be used as a finisher and an initial hit like i mentioned earlier. Unlike some people, I actually loot the mesos I get from monsters instead of Xploding them (thats what PP is for). Sure you can make the argument, well you have BOT. If that's the case, then Meso bomb is also useless since you dont have any mesos on the ground anyways, and you're using BOT instead of bombing anyways. If you want to talk about goofing off with chakra, well how about using PP to make a sea of mesos in HHG and getting free fame for it? I actually did it this morning and got famed 4 times because i had a sea of mesos at the bottom.

PP can be used in 4th job when venom doesnt finish off a monster. Sure you can just BStep the monster who has 1 hp left, but then you cant cast BStep again because of its cooldown. Atleast with meso bomb + PP you can deal that last 1 dmg to the monster youre training on and use BStep in the other direction.

Have you ever had a bonefish use super defense on you without even having enough HP left to see green on their HP bar? Happens to me about once every 2 mins. I'm only 3rd job and i dont have any range attacks other than meso bomb, and thats exactly what i use as a finisher when im far away.

[★tastie]

I guess saying Eruption instead of mist would have been a better example.

Anyways, If you're using chakra for goofing off or traveling, then whats wrong with just LvL 3 chakra? Does it really need to be maxed if you're goofing off with it?

CatBoy from SW had a ShiningRayLess guide for bishops because they get genesis in 4th job. Why max shining ray when you can get doom instead right??? its so much more fun!! Yah its also so much more useless. Kind of like chakra. You don't need anymore than a few points in doom, and you dont need anymore than a few points in chakra.

Atleast PP can be used as a finisher and an initial hit like i mentioned earlier. Unlike some people, I actually loot the mesos I get from monsters instead of Xploding them (thats what PP is for). Sure you can make the argument, well you have BOT. If that's the case, then Meso bomb is also useless since you dont have any mesos on the ground anyways, and you're using BOT instead of bombing anyways. If you want to talk about goofing off with chakra, well how about using PP to make a sea of mesos in HHG and getting free fame for it? I actually did it this morning and got famed 4 times because i had a sea of mesos at the bottom.

PP can be used in 4th job when venom doesnt finish off a monster. Sure you can just BStep the monster who has 1 hp left, but then you cant cast BStep again because of its cooldown. Atleast with meso bomb + PP you can deal that last 1 dmg to the monster youre training on and use BStep in the other direction.

Have you ever had a bonefish use super defense on you without even having enough HP left to see green on their HP bar? Happens to me about once every 2 mins. I'm only 3rd job and i dont have any range attacks other than meso bomb, and thats exactly what i use as a finisher when im far away.

chakra isnt exactly as useless as doom. even now i use chakra when im away from a monster and have little hp, it saves me a pot every now and then. its also useful in terms of actual training per say, in terms of participating in perhaps a lower leveled map with significantly weaker monsters than accustomed to. example being training at a lower leveled area with a friend. instead of using pots chakra will constantly heal you especially with the additional boost it has recieved. having 3 points in chakra is more than fine, but at max it has a 300% recovery, easily allowing you to train with friends etc at weaker monsters without using a single pot.

using pp as a finisher or initial hit is hardly plausible, because the fact of the matter is any hit with another skill just does way more damage. the damage from the pp as an initial hit or finisher is such a bare minimum its hard to even consider. this does not render meso explosion useless as you tried to cover in your argument because the main use of meso explosion was for bossing, not for training. your initial understanding of my "goofing off" phrase is a bit flawed, as i was speaking more in terms of training at a lower leveled area with friends, hunting for drops, etc rather than walk around killing snails and using chakra.

the lack of usefulness from pp is hard to witness, unless first hand. ask any shadower if they use it after 4th job and their answer will be no. in fact most shadowers dont even have it on their keyboard.

[DrRusty]

chakra isnt exactly as useless as doom. even now i use chakra when im away from a monster and have little hp, it saves me a pot every now and then. its also useful in terms of actual training per say, in terms of participating in perhaps a lower leveled map with significantly weaker monsters than accustomed to. example being training at a lower leveled area with a friend. instead of using pots chakra will constantly heal you especially with the additional boost it has recieved. having 3 points in chakra is more than fine, but at max it has a 300% recovery, easily allowing you to train with friends etc at weaker monsters without using a single pot.

using pp as a finisher or initial hit is hardly plausible, because the fact of the matter is any hit with another skill just does way more damage. the damage from the pp as an initial hit or finisher is such a bare minimum its hard to even consider. this does not render meso explosion useless as you tried to cover in your argument because the main use of meso explosion was for bossing, not for training. your initial understanding of my "goofing off" phrase is a bit flawed, as i was speaking more in terms of training at a lower leveled area with friends, hunting for drops, etc rather than walk around killing snails and using chakra.

the lack of usefulness from pp is hard to witness, unless first hand. ask any shadower if they use it after 4th job and their answer will be no. in fact most shadowers dont even have it on their keyboard.

http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1384517&highlight=key+settings

I'm not really sure what you mean by most shadowers dont even have PP on their key board, because only 1 person in this thread didnt have PP on their key board. One of them didnt have chakra.

BOT will not outdmg mesos bomb until later on during ur 4th job life. Sure we can use mesos bomb at bosses, but when was the last time you saw anyone use mesos bomb at a boss?? My HTs squad's first run, we tried to bomb the tail to quickly get it out of the way, but it ended up backfiring on us because we brought to many shadowers and not enough BMs/NLs.

Like i said before, It will take over 4k range to outdamage a concentrated PP + mesos bomb attack, which you will not have until 13x. Up until then, PP + bomb is the way to go.

If you want to spend an extra 27 skill points to save pots at low lvl monsters (which probably dont do much dmg anyways since they're low lvl), then by all means go for it.

[★tastie]

http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1384517&highlight=key+settings

I'm not really sure what you mean by most shadowers dont even have PP on their key board, because only 1 person in this thread didnt have PP on their key board. One of them didnt have chakra.

BOT will not outdmg mesos bomb until later on during ur 4th job life. Sure we can use mesos bomb at bosses, but when was the last time you saw anyone use mesos bomb at a boss?? My HTs squad's first run, we tried to bomb the tail to quickly get it out of the way, but it ended up backfiring on us because we brought to many shadowers and not enough BMs/NLs.

Like i said before, It will take over 4k range to outdamage a concentrated PP + mesos bomb attack, which you will not have until 13x. Up until then, PP + bomb is the way to go.

If you want to spend an extra 27 skill points to save pots at low lvl monsters (which probably dont do much dmg anyways since they're low lvl), then by all means go for it.

referencing to a sleepywood post ehh well how bout this http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8566492

adding skills to meso explosion was originally for BOSS. who the hell bombs while training, the coin damage isnt even worth mentioning. your right that meso explosion is no longer used for bossing with the addition of apples, but what else is there to put points in? exactly. im positive it wont take me up to 13x for my bot to outdamage "a concentrated pp + mesos bomb attack" especially with the addition of attack shields. heck even if it did i would rather use bot for mobs and sb or assaulter on single targets.

if you want to spend extra skill points on something you will NEVER use after 4th job instead of something that can be beneficial even if rarely then be my guest.

[DrRusty]

referencing to a sleepywood post ehh well how bout this http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8566492

adding skills to meso explosion was originally for BOSS. who the hell bombs while training, the coin damage isnt even worth mentioning. your right that meso explosion is no longer used for bossing with the addition of apples, but what else is there to put points in? exactly. im positive it wont take me up to 13x for my bot to outdamage "a concentrated pp + mesos bomb attack" especially with the addition of attack shields. heck even if it did i would rather use bot for mobs and sb or assaulter on single targets.

if you want to spend extra skill points on something you will NEVER use after 4th job instead of something that can be beneficial even if rarely then be my guest.

about half the people in that thread like PP, and the other half dont. Why does it matter anyways? Theres plenty of SP to put into each skill. You can max PP at 20, and get lvl 21 chakra.

Of course you can always take the other route, and instead of putting in PP, you can get shield mastery?

[★tastie]

about half the people in that thread like PP, and the other half dont. Why does it matter anyways? Theres plenty of SP to put into each skill. You can max PP at 20, and get lvl 21 chakra.

Of course you can always take the other route, and instead of putting in PP, you can get shield mastery?

i thought we were actually talking about the usefulness of pp which everyone agreed was hardly any use at all. my point wasn't so much to convince others to choose chakra but more so to say that pp is just useless after 4th job and with that said people can choose what they want accordingly.

[Shippo the Fox]

PP doesn't need to go over level 10 or 11. By that time you start hitting gold coins on tougher monsters. Its better to just get Chakra. At level 11, it heals 11xx-17xx hp. I have 3390 hp. So it can damn near fully heal me, and I never have to worry about dieing unless Im completely stupid with it. It saves a couple of pots and you can take a couple of extra hits before you need to use the next one. Really, I dont even press the Pick Pocket button. Maybe for some looks and to be cool, but truth be told, I replace it time to time with All Cures.