Total Damage vs. Attack

[RoxStarzzz]

I have two bows, both 131 attack.

One has Attack 6% and the other Total Damage 6%.

Which one gives the better bonus, and any idea how much better that bonus is?

[Shidoshi]

Attack% - Does not apply to the attack given by potions/active skills
Total Damage% - Apparently does not stack with 30% boss damage I stand corrected.

So total damage unless you have also 30% boss damage on it.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Total damage + Total damage do NOT stack and will provide the lower bonus of all of the ones on the weapon

Boss damage + boss damage (see above)

Total damage + boss damage DO stack and is multiplicative.

[Jellyflower]

Total damage will always be equal or better than ATTACKS, simply because total damage's factor is by itself. Whereas dark aura and echo stack additively to ATTACKS, so you won't get quite as much of a boost compared to total damage. i.e. total damage * (ATTACKS + dark aura + echo)

[MecFlurry]

Total damage + Total damage do NOT stack and will provide the lower bonus of all of the ones on the weapon

Boss damage + boss damage (see above)

Total damage + boss damage DO stack and is multiplicative.

Wait... so my Concerto with 6% total damage 3% total damage 3%dex will not give me 9% total damage 3%dex?

[WingZero]

Wait... so my Concerto with 6% total damage 3% total damage 3%dex will not give me 9% total damage 3%dex?

It will give you 3% total damage and 3% dex.

[Maximillion Thermidor]

So my 12% Total Damage, 8% Total Damage Axe is only giving me 8% Total Damage how heart breaking.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

So my 12% Total Damage, 8% Total Damage Axe is only giving me 8% Total Damage how heart breaking.

This is correct.

[Locked]

Total damage + boss damage DO stack and is multiplicative.

No.

[WingZero]

No.

No to the whole statement or no to the multiplicative part?

[SwordStaker]

So which is better to have? Total Damage or Attack?

[WingZero]

So which is better to have? Total Damage or Attack?

Can you not read? Here I'll scroll up for you so you don't have to. ;)


Total damage will always be equal or better than ATTACKS, simply because total damage's factor is by itself. Whereas dark aura and echo stack additively to ATTACKS, so you won't get quite as much of a boost compared to total damage. i.e. total damage * (ATTACKS + dark aura + echo)

[Locked]

No to the whole statement or no to the multiplicative part?

The entire thing. Unless it changed post-BB, which I highly doubt.

[SwordStaker]

Can you not read? Here I'll scroll up for you so you don't have to. ;)
You just made yourself look like an ass:wink: If I understood what exactly was being said I wouldn't have had to ask now would I Mr. smarty pants.

[iFrancisco]

You just made yourself look like an ass:wink: If I understood what exactly was being said I wouldn't have had to ask now would I Mr. smarty pants.

If that makes him an ass then you made yourself look like a fool who cannot correctly comprehend what is written in this thread (which I'm sure you are not).

Everyone thus far has said (or implied) that % damage is better.

[SwordStaker]

If that makes him an ass then you made yourself look like a fool who cannot correctly comprehend what is written in this thread (which I'm sure you are not).

Everyone thus far has said (or implied) that % damage is better.
Hey I don't speak this formula language rule barrier potential mumbo jumbo>.>

Plus your last statement kinda just stops0.o You say % damage when the question I'm exactly asking is WHICH. I can see (from what I believe I'm reading correctly) is total damage does not stack where as attack does but somehow total damage is better? Yes I am lost.

[Kalovale]

Hey I don't speak this formula language rule barrier potential mumbo jumbo>.>

Plus your last statement kinda just stops0.o You say % damage when the question I'm exactly asking is WHICH. I can see (from what I believe I'm reading correctly) is total damage does not stack where as attack does but somehow total damage is better? Yes I am lost.

Just phrase your question properly, then read it, edit it, 10 times or something before posting to make sure it won't come off as another question. I don't know what's so hard about saying "So if we account for the possibility of multiple lines stacking, which one is better?" or if it sounds any different from "So which one is better?" to you, but I don't think I'd like to know, not now anyway.

- If Total damage % and Boss damage % do NOT stack: Attack % > Total Damage %
- If Total damage % and Boss damage % DO stack:
If Attack % and Attack % stack: 1x Total Damage % > 1x Attack % // 2x Total Damage % < 2x Attack % (6%, or 8% Total Damage vs. 15%, or 18% Attack)
If Attack % and Attack % do NOT stack: Total Damage % > Attack %

You can go for a mix of Total damage % + PrimaryStat % vs. 2x Attack %, with which I won't bother.

[WingZero]

The entire thing. Unless it changed post-BB, which I highly doubt.

Hmmm...this is news to me. I wonder why Nexon coded it that way? It doesn't make sense not to have them stack if they're different potential.

[TagerBustah]

so the best possible to have would be since they all stack with each other is

1st best because they all stack

30% boss
8% stat
8% stat

2nd best because they all stack

30% boss
8% stat
8% attack

this following are not good if total damage and boss damage dont stack

3rd best

30% boss
8% total damage
8% stat

4th best

30% boss
8% total damage
8% attack


Is this correct? Otherwise please rank them in the proper order.

[SaptaZapta]

Actually &#37;stat is utterly wasted on a weapon.
%stat is additive, which means the more of it you have (on all your gear), the less each adds.
If you already have %100 total primary-stat added, getting another 8% stat on your weapon only gives you 4% more damage, as your total primary-stat goes from 200% to 208%.

Since %attack can only appear on a weapon, you can't already have lots of it, so 8% attack on your weapon will increase your damage by about 8% (doesn't apply to some buffs, as listed above).
Same for %total damage, except that as far as I know it is applied *after* all buffs and so it's a little better.

Two more useful potentials that you can have on your weapon are %crit and %ignore-def.
There's a thread somewhere around here comparing %bossdmg to %ignoredef, which is better depends on what your class is and what the boss's PDrate is.
Not so sure about crit rate.

[Kalovale]

so the best possible to have would be since they all stack with each other is

1st best because they all stack

30&#37; boss
8% stat
8% stat

2nd best because they all stack

30% boss
8% stat
8% attack

this following are not good if total damage and boss damage dont stack

3rd best

30% boss
8% total damage
8% stat

4th best

30% boss
8% total damage
8% attack


Is this correct? Otherwise please rank them in the proper order.

Attack % and/or Total damage % is always better than PrimaryStat % on a weapon (and you can only have those two on a weapon anyway)*. So only opt for primaryStat % if you have nothing better to get.

*Math alert:
- 103% stat + 3% stat = 106% damage (2.91% damage increment, from 103 to 106)
- 103% stat * 103% attack = 106.09% damage (3% damage increment, from 103 to 106.09)
The more % stat you have, the less significant each % stat is; whist you can only get at most 3 lines of Attack %, Total damage % or the other stuff (read: not so much of them), its relative value remains unchanged.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

No.

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=32919

Prove me wrong.

[TagerBustah]

Ok so i was wrong for listening to Locked because he was wrong when he said that boss and total damage dont stack and that %stat was better than total damage.

So now is this the best possible you can get because its proven that they all stack with eachother?

30% boss
8% total damage
8% attack

[Locked]

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=32919

Prove me wrong.

The only statement there that can even verify it would be Steve's comment.

@above:
30&#37; Boss
15% Ignore def
8% total damage.

[vx-2]

I have a 3 liner:
Attacks 6&#37;
Int 3%
Attacks 3%

Does attacks = 9%? Or just 3%?

I read that Total Dmg % will take the lower value... same case for attacks%?

[Kaasoljoyyx]

No, attack will be 9&#37;. Only damage won't stack

[StringStrider]

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=32919

Prove me wrong.

No offence to you or him, and I'm not doubting your math, but I am slightly skeptical at the numbers presented. I'd need a damage SS for confirmation.

Edit: W/ range included in the same SS if possible.

Ill try to cube myself a weapon as such tonight if I can finish my data collection with PDR and the like.

[vx-2]

No, attack will be 9&#37;. Only damage won't stack

THanks~! appreciate it ^^

[Kaasoljoyyx]

No offence to you or him, and I'm not doubting your math, but I am slightly skeptical at the numbers presented. I'd need a damage SS for confirmation.

Edit: W/ range included in the same SS if possible.

Ill try to cube myself a weapon as such tonight if I can finish my data collection with PDR and the like.

That SS was long ago and his range is much higher. That was also pre-bb.

You dont' have to believe me if you dont' want to.