Is it too early for us to raise our base stats?

[Satellite]

Talking about secondary stats here and especially talking about warriors, arans, bowmans and lukless magicians/evans.

As most of you know new 140lvl and 130lvl items(see extractions) as well as lionheart items require huge amount of secondary stat. Now I was wondering that could it be that Nexon would remove requirement stats from bowman/warrior items? We know that dex has never been req. for normal warrior items and neither has str, for bowman equips outside bows.

For me, raising my base from 15 to 40 would already instantly solve the problem of wearing Crimson Arcglaive, without paying a dime.

Then again, if we don't do something early, it may be too late. I am quite sure, Nexon won't give us AP resets. Statless 18X+ people are already in a big problem.

[Locked]

Why would you spread the fear of them removing the statlessness of warrior and bowmen items?

Are you serious? I can't tell.

[Satellite]

Why would you spread the fear of them removing the statlessness of warrior and bowmen items?

Are you serious? I can't tell.
Where in my post did I say so? 140 level weapons are not statless, but beat all other items ever released.

What I was wondering was would Nexon change some of those items statless.

[Locked]

Where in my post did I say so? 140 level weapons are not statless, but beat all other items ever released.

What I was wondering was would Nexon change some of those items statless.

Raising your stat is retarded for equips for warriors and archers. I understand weapons, but equips too? Fuck that, 45 attack isn't worth it.

[Gator]

Seems to be waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too early.

Raising your stat is retarded for equips for warriors and archers. I understand weapons, but equips too? Fuck that, 45 attack isn't worth it.
Indeed. If anything, thieves are the only one really benefiting out of this.

Though, if you want to wear these items, it'd be safe to save AP.
But, it may be a while until these appear. You'd be safe, but you may end up sorry.

[Satellite]

Raising your stat is retarded for equips for warriors and archers. I understand weapons, but equips too? Fuck that, 45 attack isn't worth it.
45att,120 to main stat, 8 slots and 130 lvl PA being Fast.

Totally worth it, at least for aran.

[Pauru]

I don't get it. You only end up losing about 50 points in your primary because of all the bonuses these equips give. How is 50 APs better than 45 att (and chaosable equips with att)?

[Satellite]

I don't get it. You only end up losing about 50 points in your primary because of all the bonuses these equips give. How is 50 APs better than 45 att (and chaosable equips with att)?
Exactly, you can get some 2ndary stat from accessories as well or just wear all the equips so the stats they give add up to the requirement.

[Locked]

I don't get it. You only end up losing about 50 points in your primary because of all the bonuses these equips give. How is 50 APs better than 45 att (and chaosable equips with att)?

..50?
Warriors lose 147 AP. And I lose 161 AP from MW alone.

[Satellite]

..50?
Warriors lose 147 AP. And I lose 161 AP from MW alone.
Idk what you are talking about, what is stopping us from getting secondary stat from equipment?

[Locked]

Idk what you are talking about, what is stopping us from getting secondary stat from equipment?

It's just badly organized and balanced.

[Fatalzxc]

you might wanna know how to get them before you raise the stats, right?

[NoJobNoRules]

you might wanna know how to get them before you raise the stats, right?

Yea. I could see keeping 5-10 levels of stats laying around if you're that concerned about them, but I wouldn't add them for an item that won't be in the game for a while.


Still, people were making cases where you wouldn't need more then a 50-80 base assuming you could obtain some decent gear (Chaos HTN, Chaos Zhelm, the stats from the level 140 cape, etc).

[Felicitates]

I'm not touching anything until we find out exactly where we get them from. Because if they're drops from Cygnus its just not worth it.

[Locked]

I'm not touching anything until we find out exactly where we get them from. Because if they're drops from Cygnus its just not worth it.

Thank you.
Someone who understands.

[Pauru]

..50?
Warriors lose 147 AP. And I lose 161 AP from MW alone.

Because CHTPs, capes and earrings don't exist (belts also, to a lesser extent). You only lose about 50 because the equip set itself gives you over 120 str clean; so majority of the str you gave up is refunded through the equips themselves. All the while providing you with other bonuses like 45 att, and 30% boss damage.

You're making it seem like these equips aren't good - which numbers prove otherwise. However, I do agree that it's not worth preparing chars for them until we know exactly how to get this gear; no point screwing our chars over for no good reason.

[SaptaZapta]

Yes, it's too early.

Even if everyone were to agree these sets are worth it, as presented right now, and even if we find out they are reasonably easy to obtain.
The rate of change in Maple is such that by the time these hit GMS, anything could happen.
- They could be changed to require less, or more, secondary stat;
- Accessories that provide tons of secondary stat might become available (+50 allstat medal, anyone?);
- Formulas could change in ways that make secondary stats essential, rendering the discussion moot;
- New sets could come out that give better benefits, or similar benefits, with less secondary stat requirements;
- GMS-exclusive items could make the right decision for KMS, wrong for GMS;
In short, everything changes. All the time. Planning ahead is almost entirely futile.
If you want to set some AP aside, or save extra cash for accessories with more than the usual secondary stat, go ahead. But to actually allocate AP to DEX now (as an Aran) sounds incredibly premature to me.

[Lumancer]

Forgive my incredible laziness in this matter, but could someone familiar with the math crunch the numbers on existing potential gear vs. the level 130/140 items that were released and determine which comes out better in the wash? Or has someone already done so and my holiday-addled attention span missed it?

[Satellite]

Forgive my incredible laziness in this matter, but could someone familiar with the math crunch the numbers on existing potential gear vs. the level 130/140 items that were released and determine which comes out better in the wash? Or has someone already done so and my holiday-addled attention span missed it?
New gear can be potentialed as well, as far as I know.

@SaptaZapta

But its easier to do now than when I'm 15x-17x. I'm also too poor to buy hungreds of cubes, so it's hard to get remaining 20dex for Arcglaive without sacrificing dmg...

[Dark Link]

It's not too early for me! I've been 100 base dex since 2006 and I still am as of Today. This doesn't even affect me in the slightest, so I have the advantage lol :D

[Dusk]

Assuming the 130/140 equips will be harder to obtain than timeless gear, if you are funded enough to be considering using the 130/140 equips, you shouldn't have problems reaching the secondary stat goal without adding a lot of base stats.

[MicroBananas]

For my outlaw, which I hope will be a level 140 by the Summer, I'll be getting these new equips, provided they are obtainable, even if I need to add on to my base STR. The +45 Attack and 15% HP boost seems great, and I just hope Yellonde will be able to have some of those items on the market. Better start saving White Scrolls and Two-Handed 50's.

[Lumancer]

New gear can be potentialed as well, as far as I know.

Sorry, I just keep hoping that people aren't going to shove thousands of dollars in Cube purchases at Nexon every time new gear comes out. Naive assumptions :P

[iRyahn]

Personally I'm not bothering to put any dex onto my Aran, the way I see it the ways to obtain the 140 items is hard as crap so I doubt i'd ever get my hands on one. Not sure how we get 130 weapons but i'm sure it costs quite a bit. I'd rather just stay dexless and risk the chance of being a tiny bit weaker then people who can afford these weapons then to raise my stats and be shit out of luck.

[Justin]

I'm sure NexonAM will make the equips gachable, or obtainable in SOME way cash-wise. They always fucking do. But either way, I don't think it's worth worrying about right now, since cygnus is the only known way to obtain the equips, and that shit's difficult as all hell / near impossible.

[iAmFear]

I don't think Nexon would retroactively change all equips to require secondary stats. It's just too much work.

And, here are the recipes for the level 130 set, they all follow the same pattern, more or less. Keep in mind, you still need to find the actual recipe to be able to make the item.

They all require (or recommend) Level 10 Smithing/Creator
Dunno what drops the recipes (I think they're most easily gotten from those PvP Mystery Recipes)
Dunno how to get Superior Crystals (Is disassembling the only way to get crystals?)
Superabrasives can be bought from an NPC in the Profession map for 50k (the last of the labeled bottles standing upright (varnishes), it's like, dark brown with a green/yellow cap)


4 Lidiums
1 Superabrasive
30 Sign of Ares
4 Superior Crystals (Level 130+)


20 Tough Dragon Skins (Currently, from the HTPQ Prequest)
1 Superabrasive
1 Magic Powder (Purple)
2 Superior Crystals (Level 130+)


2 Lidiums
1 Superabrasive
2 Crystals
- 2 Wisdom for Warriors, Mages and Pirates, 2 LUK for Archers and Thieves
30 Sign of Ares
4 Superior Crystal (Level 130+)


5 Lidiums
2 Superabrasives
5 Crystals
- 5 Wisdom for Warriors, Archers, and Pirates, 5 LUK for Mages and Thieves
30 Sign of Ares
4 Superior Crystals (Level 130+)


1 Lidium
1 Superabrasive
1 Crystal
- 1 Wisdom for Warriors, Mages, and Pirates, 1 LUK for Archers and Thieves
30 Sign of Ares
2 Superior Crystals (Level 130+)


5 Lidiums
1 Superabrasive
5 Crystals
- 5 Wisdom for Warriors, Thieves, and Slingers, 5 LUK for Mages, Archers, and Brawlers.
30 Sign of Ares
8 Superior Crystals (Level 130+)


Depending on how you score points in PvP for the Sign of Ares and how come recipes are, this could be pretty difficult, so I wouldn't hold your breath for these. No point in raising your base stats for something you probably won't get any time soon.

[Satellite]

I'll wake up this thread again



Depending on how you score points in PvP for the Sign of Ares and how come recipes are, this could be pretty difficult, so I wouldn't hold your breath for these. No point in raising your base stats for something you probably won't get any time soon.
For Arans, there is a point. From the posts Spadow made about Signs of Ares, it won't be THAT hard. Fast PA WILL be worth it in GMS. Raising dex to like 40-50 isn't killing any builds, cause Arans need 80 dex to equip their current best end game weapon in gMS. Yes, we can get that 80 from equips, but when we have higher base, we can get more str in equips. Not to mention that when you have higher base, it will be way easier to get 160dex from equips, with some % potential equips.

I already made mistake when I didn't rise LUK on my Bishop, cause I didn't know enough about how potential/BB formulas work. Now my lukless is completely useless, cause my Aran deals like 3 or 4 times better dps. I am not repeating the mistake with my Aran.

note: I have raised my base to 20

[iAmFear]

I didn't say it wasn't worth it, I said there was no point if you couldn't get the weapon. Sure you can raise your base DEX, but that doesn't mean you'll get the PA.

From what we've seen, the highest ranked players in a PvP match get about 150 Battle Points, that means, at best they can get 21 Sign of Ares. Keep in mind that this is Tespia and they could end up getting way less in the actual server. But what do the losers get? We don't know. If you do happen to be awesome at PvP, it's likely for you to get the PA if they keep the same Battle Point system they have in kMST. They might not give the same amount of Battle Points per battle, or they might not give as many Signs per Battle Point, or a combination of both.

Assuming only level 130 equip recipes are available through the mystery recipe, you have a 1/30 chance of getting the one you want, and it costs 1 Mark per try. Even if you could accumulate the amount of Signs that it takes to make the PA, you might not even be able to get the recipe.

So in summary, being able to wear the equip and being able to get the equip are two different things, and I don't see a point in raising your second stat to wear something you might not be able to get your hands on. That's like buying a DVD player when you don't have, or can't get, any DVDs. I'm all for higher base stats, but if it's not doing you any good... well, it's not doing you any good.

[Eos]

So in summary, being able to wear the equip and being able to get the equip are two different things, and I don't see a point in raising your second stat to wear something you might not be able to get your hands on. That's like buying a DVD player when you don't have, or can't get, any DVDs. I'm all for higher base stats, but if it's not doing you any good... well, it's not doing you any good.

More like buying dvds before a dvd player is available - but eventually DVD players did become available and with even more time they became cheap and easily accessible. Never hurts to be ready. Mages did it with Elemental Wands and Staves before they came out and those who really wanted them found ways to get them.