Hawaiian Mafia: Mafia and Survivor Win

[Dual]

1- Every player has been assigned a role. You ARE allowed to copy and paste your Role PM and post it, but know that people are also allowed to lie about their role this way as well. So yeah, good luck with that.

2- The game rounds will cycle between day and night and will continue until one side is declared the winner.

3- The game will begin on Night 0. No one can act on this night, I will just be asking for a confirmation PM or post. After that, I'll move the game to Day 1 and get started lynching.

4- All votes must be bolded. If you wish to remove a vote, unbold your previous vote. In the event that a vote ends in a tie, there will be no lynch for that day. If someone has two votes bolded, I won't count either of them.

5- The option of "no-lynch" will be an acceptable form of voting during the day period and will result in no lynch that day period. It counts as a player, in that if it gets majority, it happens.

6- The IRC is limited strictly to the mafia, whom will be provided access to a channel for planning and discussion. Players are otherwise prohibited from discussing the game in the IRC. I know you guys still will, but please try to limit this pomegranate.

7- Players may not communicate with each other privately about the game, unless they are mafia. If you are dead, you are not allowed to post in the gameplay thread. There is no discussion thread, so try to keep yourselves contained to only one "ARG!" post after death. If enough people bug me about wanting one, I might make one, but don't count on it.

8- Character/player alignment and priority will be kept secret until a player is killed, where their role and alignment will be revealed.

9- There are no items in this game.

10- If you have any questions about your role, or about the game, or have any comments/concerns, you may PM me or message me on the Southperry IRC.

11- Do not take screenshots of stuff in the game. I consider this to be the most important rule.

12- If anyone breaks any of these rules, that person will be killed by me.

13- I might add more rules to the game, and you must follow them if I do. This is for balancing.

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It is February 14, 1779. A group of men in traditional British military uniforms run out onto the beach of Kealakekua Bay.

"I didn't expect them to be able to force us back!" one man says, his feet fumbling a bit across the sand.

"Nor did I," says the leader of the group, Captain James Cook. "Hurry, get out to the boats!"

The men quickly run and start unhooking their boats so that they may escape from the island. A large group of Hawaiian natives now appear on the beach, with weapons brandished.

"There!" One member of the mob points out towards the men on the shore. "Get them! Lono or not, nobody harms the king!" They continue rushing towards the small group of soldiers.

Captain Cook turns towards his men. "Quickly," he says as he unties the last rope on the boats, "Get out of-"

His words are cut short as a club slams onto his skull. Captain Cook's body falls limp to the ground, and members of the tribe begin to stab it with their spears.

"Captain!" one man says, leaping from the boats to attack. Other men start rushing at them as well, with Hawaiians meeting them in combat. The soldiers have better weaponry, but they cannot stand up to the massive number of the Hawaiians. Amidst all the chaos, a small group of soldiers sneak away from the battlefield, being dragged away by one of their comrades. They make their way to a cave along the shore of the island, well away from the fight.

"What are you doing, John? We have to save the captain!" says one of the group, obviously shaken by what has just occurred.

"Idiot!" John, strongest one among them, slaps the man across the face. "The captain was trying to tell us to get away safely! Because of those idiots back there, he died in vain! We're trapped here without any way to escape now!" John punches the wall of the cave in frustration. The whole group stares down
at the ground in dismay.

Suddenly, one man stands up. "We don't have to be," the brains of the group, Tim, says. The others look at him curiously. "We may not be able to beat them when they're bunched up in such a large group like that, but I'm sure we could handle them one at a time. If, every night, we sneak out and get rid of one, soon the group will be small enough that we can win the battle!"

John stands up, determined. "That's genius, Tim! Once we pick them all off, we can build a ship in peace and get back home! After we kill one at night, we'll hide amongst the town so that we can stay safe and get food, and meet back here at sunset. We start the attack first thing tomorrow night!"

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It's currently Night 0. All role PMs have been sent out. Once I get 2/3ish (like 10-11 players) to confirm by PM or post here, I'll bring it around to Day 1.

Players:
1. Holypie - Survivor
2. BTA 2-Shot Viglante
3. MasPan Back-up Doctor
4. Corn Townie
5. Mephisto Townie
6. Blaine Townie
7. ChaoticCJ Townie
8. ElectricSix - Mafia
9. MetaSeraphim - Godfather
10. KajitiSouls Townie
11. Mute - Mafia
12. Swerve Townie
13. Shidoshi Townie
14. Synthesist Doctor
15. Mira - Mafia
16. z0mgc00k13 Doublevoter

Postgame. (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?p=616451&page=17#post616451)

[ElectricSix]

*Confirms hardcore* :P

[MasPan]

Inb4:
Corn roleclaim. ElectricSix firstvote. Swerve wall of text. Synthesist doesn't post.

[Mute]

Hi guys my name is Chuck Norris, and my role is I cannot be lynched or NK'd and my votes count for double and every night I kill someone of my choosing.

[Corn]

Inb4:
Corn roleclaim. ElectricSix firstvote. Swerve wall of text. Synthesist doesn't post.

It's still night, dawg.

<Confirmed>

[Holypie]

Confirm

[Dual]

Hi guys my name is Chuck Norris, and my role is I cannot be lynched or NK'd and my votes count for double and every night I kill someone of my choosing.

There's actually a role called "Chuck Norris" on Yoshi's IRC Mafia. He's a Jack of All Trades with 10 abilities, two of which kill people. lol

[Mute]

There's actually a role called "Chuck Norris" on Yoshi's IRC Mafia. He's a Jack of All Trades with 10 abilities, two of which kill people. lol

oh sh'it. o-o
And here I thought my trololololl was OP.

[Swerve]

Confirm.

Vote ElectricSix

[ElectricSix]

Confirm.

Vote ElectricSix

<.<

*Looks at thread title*

You jumped the gun a bit Swerve.

[Dual]

The game hasn't started yet so there's no voting yet.

:c

[KajitiSouls]

Confirm.

Vote ElectricSix

So you wish to keep that vote captain?

C-C-C-C-C-CONFIRM

[Shidoshi]

firmcon

[xBTAx]

Confirming.

[Mute]

day 1:

Vote - Maspan.
better safe than sorry. =P

[Corn]

I roleclaim regular townie :f3:.

[ElectricSix]

Inb4:
Corn roleclaim. ElectricSix firstvote. Swerve wall of text. Synthesist doesn't post.

Hah, I didn't even get first vote, Mute and Swerve beat me to it this time Mas. :P But I'll keep the voting going I suppose.

[vote] ChaoticCJ

[Swerve]

Agreed. My one and only ability is to have all votes count on N0 if they follow the target of my choosing.

Vote MasPan.

[Mephisto]

[Koho paloka] BTA

Ia 'a'ohe kuleana

[ChaoticCJ]

[vote] ChaoticCJ
:goggle:

Confirming that I am probably here.

[Dual]

Okay, I've gotten enough confirms to know everyone knows what's going on, so let's get this thing rev'd up.

_________________________

You are all praying in the temple before the giant Tiki statue.

Suddenly, the mouth lights up with fire, and a voice begins to echo around the room.

"There is an evil force among you," it says sternly. "There are some here who are not being true! I demand that you eliminate these impostors at once! Sacrifice them to my fire!"

The voice dies down, but the fire remains lit, leaving an imposing figure in front of all of you. You decide to take heed to the warning it has given you, and begin figuring out who these liars are.

_________________________
Day 1 start, so go have fun guys. Majority is 9 votes. Votes before this post don't count btw.

[ElectricSix]

Agreed. My one and only ability is to have all votes count on N0 if they follow the target of my choosing.

Vote MasPan.

Err, so like you track the person on Night 0? Or change their vote or something?

[Swerve]

Alright time to get serious.

Vote Synthesist

[Corn]

Excellent choice.

You guys know all of my reasoning.

vote Synthesist

[MetaSeraphim]

I roleclaim regular townie :f3:.

I roleclaim corn on the cob.

[Shidoshi]

Viewing the votes is funny. Each person voting for a different one... Seems quite useless to me as no one would actually feel threatened by random votes thrown to the air.

[Swerve]

I character claim Big Tito from Rocket Power.

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon&#37;20Pics/Nick%20Toons/Rocket%20Power/Tito_300.gif

[ElectricSix]

Viewing the votes is funny. Each person voting for a different one... Seems quite useless to me as no one would actually feel threatened by random votes thrown to the air.

I'd say it's still more useful than a pure bandwagon or small split vote, though to me, every vote ends up being useful by the later days of the game.

[Swerve]

Viewing the votes is funny. Each person voting for a different one... Seems quite useless to me as no one would actually feel threatened by random votes thrown to the air.

In the past game when Shidoshi was mafia, he attempted to barely post and would always vote for town without providing any good explanations. I believe that he is trying to employ reverse psychology in this game in order to make us think, "Well no way Shidoshi is mafia this game." If we can get him to L-2 then we should be able to pressure him into making a mistake.

Vote Shidoshi

[Corn]

In the past game Swerve posted a lot. He's not posting that much per post now, so he must be Mafia :f3:.

[Shidoshi]

In the past game when Shidoshi was mafia, he attempted to barely post and would always vote for town without providing any good explanations. I believe that he is trying to employ reverse psychology in this game in order to make us think, "Well no way Shidoshi is mafia this game."


Actually, deriving a style of meta-game from 1 game is quite preposterous. I have to say I don't like these intruders in my island and they should burn!

[Mute]

I character claim Big Tito from Rocket Power.

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon&#37;20Pics/Nick%20Toons/Rocket%20Power/Tito_300.gif

http://ladyksden.0catch.com/harem/davidkawena.jpg.

[Swerve]

Actually, deriving a style of meta-game from 1 game is quite preposterous. I have to say I don't like these intruders in my island and they should burn!

I have to say that I don't like this drastic change in behavior. It seems quite forced. Still keeping my vote on you.

[Mephisto]

Ma'amau Hawaiian ma'ane'i, i loko o au he hana'olelo penei. Dual 'a huki 'ino!

[Corn]

Mephisto can only speak in Hawaiian apparently, but I don't like it as this is supposed to be a vanilla game.

[Dual]

This is a mostly vanilla game. Doesn't mean roles don't exist.

[Shidoshi]

This is a mostly vanilla game. Doesn't mean roles don't exist.

Less information from the mods -> More fun.

[Corn]

This is a mostly vanilla game. Doesn't mean roles don't exist.

Ho ho thanks for that info :f3:.

[Swerve]

Mephisto can only speak in Hawaiian apparently, but I don't like it as this is supposed to be a vanilla game.

I'm able to breathe fire from my mouth. Also how do you feel about Shidoshi. He hasn't responded to my comment for the past twenty minutes. I honestly think he's scum this game.

[Holypie]

Or, he's derping us with his riddler thing again. I don't like it though, it's annoying to see what he's saying.

[ElectricSix]

Mephisto can only speak in Hawaiian apparently, but I don't like it as this is supposed to be a vanilla game.

For all we know Meph's making it up just like your mute gambit.

Edit: Apparently ninja'd by Dual . . . though he didn't exactly confirm it.

[Dual]

Less information from the mods -> More fun.

I know. I'm not telling you anything else.

Spoiler: There are players in this game.

[Corn]

For all we know Meph's making it up just like your mute gambit.

Edit: Apparently ninja'd by Dual . . . though he didn't exactly confirm it.

That's twice now he tried that tactic, though.

[ElectricSix]

I know. I'm not telling you anything else.

Spoiler: There are players in this game.

Egads! Players? Who would do such a thing? :P

Edit: @Corn: You think he's trying to ninja us into thinking he's a townie?

[Shidoshi]

What do you expect me to say. You believe my behavior is quite forced... Ok then?
Want me to look up some townie-like text on the internet to defend myself with?
I'll hold my ground on: deriving a meta for a player from one game in which he had a certain role and apply it to another game as a golden rule is quite lame.
Anyway, you are just fishing for not so well thought responses from me with your inquisitive posts.

[Mephisto]

Or, he's derping us with his riddler thing again. I don't like it though, it's annoying to see what he's saying.

Kela ho'okolohe a'u, ho'i!

[Mephisto]

Egads! Players? Who would do such a thing? :P

Edit: @Corn: You think he's trying to ninja us into thinking he's a townie?

Au wale no penei ka ho'ohuikau 'a ho'okumu.

[Swerve]

Use Babelfish.

"Alast my fellow players. Heed my words and be aware that a great evil approaches that is shrouded in darkness. This figure clouded in immeasurable frame and is unidentifiable in appearance cannot be named. But if I were to give it a name, it would be Shidoshi."

[Mephisto]

Aha ka hana ma'i?! 'A'ohe!

[Koho paloka] Swerve

[Corn]

Use Babelfish.

"Alast my fellow players. Heed my words and be aware that a great evil approaches that is shrouded in darkness. This figure clouded in immeasurable frame and is unidentifiable in appearance cannot be named. But if I were to give it a name, it would be Shidoshi."


Yeah, right.


vote Swerve

[KajitiSouls]

Just because he said "threatened", and I like E6's style...

[vote] Shidoshi

Also I don't believe in Swerve for the record.

[Swerve]

No seriously though, you don't want to lynch me or else.

[Corn]

Just because he said "threatened", and I like E6's style...

[vote] Shidoshi

Have you even attempted to bablefish Mephisto's words?

[KajitiSouls]

Have you even attempted to bablefish Mephisto's words?


Also I don't believe in Swerve for the record.

Vote is subjected to change later on, unless nothing else happens.

Also, thing isn't working. Unless I'm being stupid o.O

[Mephisto]

Onu'onu ho'oponopono, Kajiti.

[Corn]

Vote is subjected to change later on, unless nothing else happens.

Also, thing isn't working. Unless I'm being stupid o.O

That's exactly the point, as I'm wondering how Swerve pulled it out of his butt.

[Swerve]

Well now we have something to work on. Corn why are you trying to vote for me over a silly mistranslation? It seems like you're awfully eager to get someone lynched today.

Vote Corn

[ElectricSix]

Have you even attempted to bablefish Mephisto's words?

I've been trying to find a translator for it, but so far I haven't found an online translator that supports Hawaiian to English.

[Corn]

Well now we have something to work on. Corn why are you trying to vote for me over a silly mistranslation? It seems like you're awfully eager to get someone lynched today.

Vote Corn

It's not even on Babelfish, unless you care to point it out to me. Hell, I doubt that "Shidoshi" is translated to any of those odd words, and I also doubt that that short sentence can translate to 2 long sentences.

[Shidoshi]

http://www.papayaanfinder.com/translate/

This one seems to have hawaiian available but I got nothing from Mephistos messages.

Oh lol. it's actually faganfinder.com/translate/

[Swerve]

It's not even on Babelfish, unless you care to point it out to me.

I know. I'm curious why you construed it as being a serious statement. At least serious enough to warrant a change vote.

[Corn]

I know. But it was obviously not meant to be serious. I'm curious why you construed it as being a serious statement. At least serious enough to warrant a change vote.

I dunno, maybe since sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, and we were all getting pretty serious by that post?

[Shidoshi]

I know. I'm curious why you construed it as being a serious statement. At least serious enough to warrant a change vote.

Because there is no concrete evidence. Specially on Day1. Anything is a reason to vote for someone.

It's basically the "collect circunstancial evidence day".

[Swerve]

I dunno, maybe since sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, and we were all getting pretty serious by that post?

Seems like a pretty convenient excuse to start a lynch on someone who town might be tired of dealing with. Might be a nice excuse for mafia to pull off a lynch ah?

[KajitiSouls]

Request for the hardcore Hawaiian...

Since it's obvious that "Vote" is two words, why don't you speak a word per line? It's apparently very easy to get English to Hawaiian, but butt-awful hard to get the reverse.

[Mephisto]

['A'ohe] [ma'alahi], [hana 'ia] ['olelo] [ma] ['olelo].

[Shidoshi]

I'd say the current tendency to vote for Swerve could be explained by his way of being annoying. No one, town or mafia, would want someone to be nagging on them for even the most minor words.

I wouldn't vote on him just because he is annoying, though I still don't know who I'm voting for.

[Mephisto]

[Au] [koho paloka] [na] Swerve [no ka mea] ['oia] ['a] [wahahe'e].

[KajitiSouls]

['A'ohe] [ma'alahi], [hana 'ia] ['olelo] [ma] ['olelo].


[Not?] [easy], [made?] [word] [by] [word].

Don't mind me for a bit... gonna be an OCD monkey for a while...

EDIT: THIS WORKS PRETTY DARN WELL GAIZ!!!

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/Hawaiian/

[Corn]

Could always do the Synthesist bandwagon.

[Holypie]

No.

[Mephisto]

Don't mind me for a bit... gonna be an OCD monkey for a while...

Pololei!

[KajitiSouls]

Correct

Yup... http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/Hawaiian/ definitely works.

Meph, keep doing what you're doing. Unless you're mafia. lol xD

[Mephisto]

[Ma'amau] Hawaiian [ma'ane'i], ['a'ohe] [wahahe'e].

[Blaine]

[vote] DualReaver

I know it's him.

[Dual]

Letting everyone know Day 1 ends at 9:30 EST.

1 - Shidoshi
1 - Corn
1 - Swerve

(Corn you have two votes bolded so novote4u)

[MasPan]

In the past game when Shidoshi was mafia, he attempted to barely post and would always vote for town without providing any good explanations. I believe that he is trying to employ reverse psychology in this game in order to make us think, "Well no way Shidoshi is mafia this game." If we can get him to L-2 then we should be able to pressure him into making a mistake.

Vote Shidoshi

Erm, a lot of what he did was because we were attempting to divert attention to him. He had a passive ability blocking the first lynch against him.

For now, [vote]MasPan (he's always mafia)

Joking aside, [vote]Swerve
Sorry chap, you've been changing your vote a lot, which could be mafia probing the town for an easy lynch, seeing if any votes catch on.

[Swerve]

Erm, a lot of what he did was because we were attempting to divert attention to him. He had a passive ability blocking the first lynch against him. For now, [vote]MasPan (he's always mafia) Joking aside, [vote]Swerve Sorry chap, you've been changing your vote a lot, which could be mafia probing the town for an easy lynch, seeing if any votes catch on.

You're mafia again? Christ that must suck.

You know. Because every time you were mafia you had a thing for voting for me. Unless you don't like me. Then you're playing off of a personal grudge. Good thing you're not serving in a military outpost. Those personal feelings could translate into you shooting one of your comrades or something. Oh wait.

Also voting is like acupuncture, need to apply pressure to get results. Like that character claim of you being some future high-tech Batman. I would have called that bulls*** a long time ago. Only reason why you got away with it was because no one applied pressure on you having such a horrible claim. Right. I can't wait to see what you're going to claim this time. Godzilla perhaps. No. Mecha-Godzilla.

[Mute]

I know it's not the same person, but Swerve's new avatar makes me think of Count Dooku.

[ElectricSix]

Letting everyone know Day 1 ends at 9:30 EST.

1 - Shidoshi
1 - Corn
1 - Swerve

(Corn you have two votes bolded so novote4u)

You missed my vote on ChaoticCJ, though I've been debating on changing it anyway.

[Swerve]

I know it's not the same person, but Swerve's new avatar makes me think of Count Dooku.

Justice Robert Sweet. A federal district court judge that knows science. When I read his 152 page decision on gene patents I cried manly tears of manliness.

Also if you guys want me to stop being annoying, then contribute to the pace of this game. Swerve he be so annoying. He vote changing. Blah blah blah blah blah. If MasPan isn't confessing to being mafia because he perceives a disadvantage, then you know that town is at a disadvantage this game.

[Shidoshi]

You're mafia again? Christ that must suck.

You know. Because every time you were mafia you had a thing for voting for me. Unless you don't like me. Then you're playing off of a personal grudge. Good thing you're not serving in a military outpost. Those personal feelings could translate into you shooting one of your comrades or something. Oh wait.

BS argument since this is your 3rd game and both 2 others MasPan WAS mafia. There is no way to delineate a behavior of a certain person when he's mafia and when he's not if you've only seen him as Mafia, ever.

[vote] Swerve

[Mute]

BS argument since this is your 3rd game and both 2 others MasPan WAS mafia. There is no way to delineate a behavior of a certain person when he's mafia and when he's not if you've only seen him as Mafia, ever.

[vote] Swerve

Using meta? I hate meta.
Also when the same group of people sign up consistently it's bound that someone's going to have the same role in one game as they did in another. But using the RNG as the basis for your vote is full of folly.

[Swerve]

BS argument since this is your 3rd game and both 2 others MasPan WAS mafia. There is no way to delineate a behavior of a certain person when he's mafia and when he's not if you've only seen him as Mafia, ever. [vote] Swerve

Right I should scum hunt just like you. Oh wait.

I thought you were a bad player because you were trying to stay quiet as mafia. But now I know that you are just a bad player even without the condition of having to be mafia. You suck at this game. I suggest taking lessons.

[KajitiSouls]

Swerve, you are starting to get really silly. I don't think you're mafia personally, but I have been wrong in the past.

[vote] Swerve

Also, if what I'm translating from Mephisto is correct, he claims to be a vanilla townie.

[Swerve]

Swerve, you are starting to get really silly. I don't think you're mafia personally, but I have been wrong in the past. [vote] Swerve Also, if what I'm translating from Mephisto is correct, he claims to be a vanilla townie.

If you don't think I'm mafia, then why are you voting for me KajitiSouls?

[Holypie]

[vote] Swerve

He seems suspicious in my eyes due to his constant vote changing and how he's getting so defensive.

[KajitiSouls]

If you don't think I'm mafia, then why are you voting for me KajitiSouls?

Because you are starting to get really silly. You're also full of illogic.

You also WIFOM a shytload. But you do that a lot anyways, whether you're townie or...

[Swerve]

Because you are starting to get really silly. You're also full of illogic. You also WIFOM a shytload. But you do that a lot anyways, whether you're townie or...

Silliness is a subjective assessment. Stating that I'm illogical and having me assume it to be true doesn't sound like a logical assertion to make. As far as WIFOM goes, it is better than nothing. If I hadn't said anything it looked like D1 would have come down to using RNG in order to determine who to be lynched. And again your last statement states that this is my normal behavior. So again you have nothing to justifiably lynch me aside from the bandwagoning effort by town. Voting for me when you have no solid basis, yet attempting to argue that my play style has no basis. You sound like a hypocrite.

Therefore allow me to repeat my previous statement.

If you don't think I'm mafia, then why are you voting for me KajitiSouls?


[vote] Swerve He seems suspicious in my eyes due to his constant vote changing and how he's getting so defensive.

Personal difference in perception. You view it as defensive, I view it as natural discourse. I view the dialogue as having use, therefore I view your lack of it to make you fundamentally useless to the outcome of town. Honestly you might as well just be scum.

[Holypie]

You seem to view everyone as scum. Why not kill everyone who you don't think has a use? Have fun fighting the mafia solo. I honestly really dislike your constant accusations and since you make so many, it doesn't seem to have a use. So you might as well be scum؟ (Amidoingitright?)

[Swerve]

You seem to view everyone as scum. Why not kill everyone who you don't think has a use? Have fun fighting the mafia solo. I honestly really dislike your constant accusations and since you make so many, it doesn't seem to have a use. So you might as well be scum. (Amidoingitright?)

I don't view everyone as scum nor have I stated that everyone is scum. I simply am following potential leads and sharing my candid opinion. If you feel that you are scum then you should address that with yourself instead of trying to implicate me on the basis of your assumption. It is one thing to dislike me and it is another thing to believe that I am scum. Easily mixing up the two intentions means that you have temporarily forfeited the game in order to dabble in personal aesthetic. It is fine for you to play mafia in order to indulge in your personal happiness which comes about by causing my death and censorship. But you shouldn't try to paint me as a selfish individual for choosing to experiment with a new style of play. That just makes you a blatant hypocrite when you seek my death due to a negative impression that has nothing to do with whether or not I am mafia.

Of more pressing prevalence is the following statement, "Have fun fighting the mafia solo." This shows me at the very least that you don't believe I am associated with mafia as I clearly don't want to fight mafia if I am a member of mafia. Therefore the basis behind your vote seems to be allotted to a deficit in personal character rather than being based on the logical and sound decision making that individuals have stated that I am lacking in this game. At the very least I ask that you do not get your reasons twisted. If you are voting for me because you don't like me, then you should make this clear. Attempting to paint it as anything else is a lie.

[Holypie]

And you missed the blatant sarcasm. Sorry, next time I should use a sarcasm mark؟

[Swerve]

And you missed the blatant sarcasm. Sorry, next time I should use a sarcasm mark؟

That would be advisable. If every statement could be retracted with a "sarcasm" excuse, I'm sure that many more individuals would be able to slip by without addressing their own mistakes.

[Holypie]

Wow, you REALLY didn't get it, did you.

[Swerve]

Wow, you REALLY didn't get it, did you.

I understand the fact that you were making an insignificant comment that you yourself perceived was insignificant.

[KajitiSouls]

If you don't think I'm mafia, then why are you voting for me KajitiSouls?

Because you are really silly. You're also full of illogic and assumption.

You also WIFOM a fkload. And you do that a lot anyways. Whether or not you realize there are other options, it's hard to tell...

[Holypie]

I was expressing my irritation about your playstyle, much like how you express your irritation about the playstyles of others. Also you said you wanted dialog? Here.

[Mute]

I was expressing my irritation about your playstyle, much like how you express your irritation about the playstyles of others. Also you said you wanted dialog? Here.

This dialogue is also counter-productive to the town. If you feel swerve's scum, lynch him based on that, not based on his character as a member of the forum.

[Holypie]

This dialog wasn't even intentional, I was just trying o get swerve to understand that I'm not being a hypocrite, I was using sarcasm to express irritation. That post was just a side comment about he he keeps calling everyone scum, and suddenly huge dialog about it.

[MasPan]

You're mafia again? Christ that must suck.

You know. Because every time you were mafia you had a thing for voting for me. Unless you don't like me. Then you're playing off of a personal grudge. Good thing you're not serving in a military outpost. Those personal feelings could translate into you shooting one of your comrades or something. Oh wait.

Also voting is like acupuncture, need to apply pressure to get results. Like that character claim of you being some future high-tech Batman. I would have called that bulls*** a long time ago. Only reason why you got away with it was because no one applied pressure on you having such a horrible claim. Right. I can't wait to see what you're going to claim this time. Godzilla perhaps. No. Mecha-Godzilla.

Do you seriously not know who the hell Firefly is? He's a VILLAIN and NOTHING like Batman. He's an illusionist who applies his talents to his crime. pineapple's sake...
Also, I voted for you because you kept swapping your votes. To me, that screams mafia probing for weaknesses.

Also, calm the hell down on the insults and ridicule towards other players. It's rude, it's not fun, and it's irritating as shit.

[Mute]

Do you seriously not know who the hell Firefly is? He's a VILLAIN and NOTHING like Batman. He's an illusionist who applies his talents to his crime. Fuck's sake...
Also, I voted for you because you kept swapping your votes. To me, that screams mafia probing for weaknesses.

That same tactic can be used by town as well. Hoping to catch a scum player being too aggressive, or role fishing.

[MasPan]

That same tactic can be used by town as well. Hoping to catch a scum player being too aggressive, or role fishing.

Same can be said of any tactic. The manner in which he did it seems more scummish than townish to me though.

[Dual]

Vote Count:
5 - Swerve
1 - Corn

3 hours remaining.

[z0mgc00k13]

since theres no proof for anything
[vote] No Lynch

[ElectricSix]

Hmm, well my vote still isn't being counted. I wonder if that's what Swerve meant earlier about his vote on Night 0 for me doing something? I'm not sure whether he's mafia or not, but vote blocking powers are usually mafian so I'm fine with the current vote, though I'd prefer a few more votes from people who have been hanging around in the background.

Edit: Lol c00k13, excellent timing. XP

[Holypie]

Maybe because you voted N0? Dual did say that all posts before his Day 1 post were null, try revoting.

[ElectricSix]

Ahh, that would make sense too. Guess I'll find out for sure the next time he does a vote count.

[vote] Mira

[Holypie]

Alright, asked Dual and he said he wouldn't votecount until the day ends, but he says that you were I was right.

Thanks Matt for the correction

[Dual]

Alright, asked Dual and he said he wouldn't votecount until the day ends, but he says that PIE was right.

Fixed.

[Holypie]

Fail on my part.

[Swerve]

50&#37; vote is bad. Good luck with this game guys. If mafia is among that 50% then you are clearly screwed. As always. Turnout was disappointing. ♥

[ElectricSix]

Lol, well I must have missed that part, probably should have asked him about it, but since I mentioned it and I didn't see any response when he updated it later, I figured it was a power or something like that in effect. That being the case, I'll keep my vote with Mira since I haven't seen her post yet, and though that's not new, perhaps she'll post acknowledging she's paying attention that way. XP

[Dual]

50&#37; vote is bad. Good luck with this game guys. If mafia is among that 50% then you are clearly screwed.

If mafia was 50% of the group the game would be over. lol

45 minutes left guys.

[Swerve]

If mafia was 50&#37; of the group the game would be over. lol

45 minutes left guys.

The worst thing is that lynching me gives absolutely no reads at all. I guess that 24 hour days produce different interpretations in how votes are translated compared to week long days so on and so forth. The notion that voting is used to pressure for information is interpreted in a different light when it comes to the reduced time format.

Make no mistake. In no sense is this lynch logical or conducive toward town. It is simply a matter of personal preference. Individuals who have no authority over my usual actions decided to abuse this privilege when presented with a game format in which their hostilities could be represented. It is an excellent representation of how power is often mixed with personal business when abstraction should occur between the two elements. The first death in this game is the result of personal bigotry. Good night.

[Dual]

Day over; flavor inbound.

_____________________________
You all skirt the question of who to kill back and forth, and after a heated argument you decide upon Swerve. He begrudgingly allows you to grab him, saying how you're not going to get anywhere with this. You take him over the the Tiki head and throw him into the fire. The light of the fire reveals who he is deep down in his soul, but alas, he is just a plain Hawaiian townie.

The fire dies down, and the body is gone. The room is eerily quiet, and you head home to rest.

_____________________________
Night 1 guys. Ends same time, same place, unless I get every action.

[Dual]

________________________
You all wake up and head to the temple. You look around at each other and see the same number of people here as yesterday. Nobody has died. The Tiki statue's mouth lights up with fire again, and you all know what it wants.

____________________________
It's now Day 2. Day ends at 4:30 EST tomorrow probably.

[Mephisto]

'Oia makemake kaumaha! Kaumaha!

[MasPan]

Suck it mafians, successful protect is successful.

[Mute]

Well this doesn't help pinpoint any mafia. =/
Though, that's a pretty scummy tell mas (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP&#37;27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia), congratulating the doc.

[MasPan]

Well this doesn't help pinpoint any mafia. =/
Though, that's a pretty scummy tell mas (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP&#37;27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia), congratulating the doc.

I can't be proud of a successful block?

[KajitiSouls]

I can't be proud of a successful block?

In a more "pro" game, that's an unwritten rule that you can't boast of a successful block. The fact that you don't seem to worry for a few games now seems to suggest that there's nothing to it though.


'Oia makemake kaumaha! Kaumaha!

"This makes me sad?"

[MasPan]

Maybe by taunting the mafia over my block I'm trying to encourage them to target me? After all, then I could protect myself and make them waste another night. Or maybe I'm WIFOM'ing the mafia with that decision, and instead hoping they WON'T target me if they think I'm going to be protected. Or maybe I'm not the doctor and asking the doctor to protect me tonight, to make it LOOK like I am, but I'm really a vanilla townie, and trying to make the mafia waste time killing me instead of the real doc?

Who knows? Either way, it's fun to taunt the mafia, because they can't react until night.

[Mephisto]

In a more "pro" game, that's an unwritten rule that you can't boast of a successful block. The fact that you don't seem to worry for a few games now seems to suggest that there's nothing to it though.



"This makes me sad?"

'A'ohe. [Ho'a'o] [hana hou].

[Mute]

Maybe by taunting the mafia over my block I'm trying to encourage them to target me? After all, then I could protect myself and make them waste another night. Or maybe I'm WIFOM'ing the mafia with that decision, and instead hoping they WON'T target me if they think I'm going to be protected. Or maybe I'm not the doctor and asking the doctor to protect me tonight, to make it LOOK like I am, but I'm really a vanilla townie, and trying to make the mafia waste time killing me instead of the real doc?

Who knows? Either way, it's fun to taunt the mafia, because they can't react until night.

That's also pretty confusing. You could also be mafia saying "haha guys I actually didn't kill and am claiming doc to throw you townies off guard." which itself is another layer to the WIFOM that frankly serves no purpose than to confuse the town.
Vote: Maspan

[Shidoshi]

This so-called "rules" are so lame. It's like you have a script to follow to be considered town or else... It's even more bizarre because having a script makes it much easier for a mafia to pretend to be a townie.
It also makes the games so much mechanical and predictable, what's with being random and creative?
Anyway, sad that Swerve was a townie. He sure was annoying though.

[MasPan]

That's also pretty confusing. You could also be mafia saying "haha guys I actually didn't kill and am claiming doc to throw you townies off guard." which itself is another layer to the WIFOM that frankly serves no purpose than to confuse the town.
Vote: Maspan

My purpose is to confuse the mafia, not the town. What does it matter if I'm really the doctor or not to the town? Regardless, the doctor is still alive and able to protect people. That's the important thing. Also, say I'm not the real doctor - would it be a good idea for the real one to counterclaim me? I think not, as that would give the mafia a clear target instead of this WIFOM. I hope you'll reconsider your vote, though I understand it.

All I'm asking for is a little bit of trust.

Strictly to tie up the vote
[][Vote]No Lynch[/B]

[ElectricSix]

Well I was gone for most of the day, but I'm glad to see I didn't die, and no other townies did either. Seems like every time I travel I end up dead and I have to travel again tomorrow. *Knocks on wood and crosses fingers* Anyway, I'll wait a bit to vote, since chances are good that I'll only be able to vote once before I head off to bed and by the time I get access to the internet tomorrow, it'll already be Night 2.

[Dual]

1 - MasPan
1 - No Lynch

[MasPan]

Come on guys, we can't be wasting the days like this. We NEED the discussion in a vanilla-heavy game. Letting a day slip by with minimal activity is inviting the mafia to pick us off at night with no pressure to control lynches in the day. My WIFOM is useless if it doesn't at least promote discussion here.

On that note, I'm going to try to pressure some of the less active players. For now,
[][Vote]Mira[/B]

I'll remove the vote if Mira posts and then move on to the next quiet player. I chose Mira first because she'll typically respond when directly mentioned in mafia, whereas others like Synthesist generally remain quiet regardless.

Edit-Thanks Mira

[][vote]No lynch[/B]

[Mira]

Lurkers get no love? :(

[MetaSeraphim]

'A'ohe. [Ho'a'o] [hana hou].

Taoume, goles theeme toueame.

[MasPan]

[][vote]Corn[/B]
[][vote]No Lynch[/B]
You've been alarmingly quiet for a mafia game. Same as with Mira, vote removed if you respond.

[ElectricSix]

Come on guys, we can't be wasting the days like this. We NEED the discussion in a vanilla-heavy game. Letting a day slip by with minimal activity is inviting the mafia to pick us off at night with no pressure to control lynches in the day. My WIFOM is useless if it doesn't at least promote discussion here.

On that note, I'm going to try to pressure some of the less active players. For now,
[][Vote]Mira[/B]

I'll remove the vote if Mira posts and then move on to the next quiet player. I chose Mira first because she'll typically respond when directly mentioned in mafia, whereas others like Synthesist generally remain quiet regardless.

Edit-Thanks Mira

[][vote]No lynch[/B]

I'd love to help stir the pot some Mas, but unfortunately today and tomorrow just have worked out badly for me participating in much discussion. All that being said, I'm fairly sure one, or more than one, of the people that voted for Swerve was likely a mafian. There were too many votes on him, even if you factor in his usual abrasive posting nature. Unfortunately that doesn't exactly narrow things down much, but with only that to go on as a lead, I'll pick one of the people that voted for Swerve as my vote. Of Shidoshi, Holypie, KajitiSouls, MasPan, Mephisto, and Corn, I can't say I find anyone to be too suspicious, but between Corn's rather subdued reactions, and the fact that he voted almost immediately after Meph, I think there's a decent chance he's a mafian. So:

[vote] Corn

Edit: I realized the whole voting right after thing might not be considered a scum tell, but I just thought it happend rather quickly, as if he was waiting for someone else to vote for Swerve first before he added his vote to it. Sort of like hoping to start a quick bandwagon on him. Still not the best of tells or anything, but I wanted to clarify before I lost the chance to do so later on.

[Holypie]

[vote] Corn

Logic seems sound to me.

[MasPan]

I'd love to help stir the pot some Mas, but unfortunately today and tomorrow just have worked out badly for me participating in much discussion. All that being said, I'm fairly sure one, or more than one, of the people that voted for Swerve was likely a mafian. There were too many votes on him, even if you factor in his usual abrasive posting nature. Unfortunately that doesn't exactly narrow things down much, but with only that to go on as a lead, I'll pick one of the people that voted for Swerve as my vote. Of Shidoshi, Holypie, KajitiSouls, MasPan, Mephisto, and Corn, I can't say I find anyone to be too suspicious, but between Corn's rather subdued reactions, and the fact that he voted almost immediately after Meph, I think there's a decent chance he's a mafian. So:

[vote] Corn

Edit: I realized the whole voting right after thing might not be considered a scum tell, but I just thought it happend rather quickly, as if he was waiting for someone else to vote for Swerve first before he added his vote to it. Sort of like hoping to start a quick bandwagon on him. Still not the best of tells or anything, but I wanted to clarify before I lost the chance to do so later on.

From your list, Kajiti is one of my primary suspicions, though partially because of his reaction to my WIFOM. More of a general feeling than an actual reason-based suspicion, though, so I'm not going to be voting him just yet.

I also am not entirely trustworthy of Holypie jumping into the Corn lynch, though I welcome him to explain what about your rather flimsy argument matched with him.

[Corn]

It's not my fault it's the weekend and I'm....playing.

I'm quite suspicious of Maspan. Wouldn't the log mention something about a successful block? Maybe he's Mafia and in order to get suspicion off of him, he didn't kill anyone this night. Maspan is that smar tto do so. Also, he immediately jumped onto my bandwagon when I've been quiet. Come on, even if I'm mafia I wouldn't stay quiet, unless I'm employing reverse reverse psychology or something.

[MasPan]

It's not my fault it's the weekend and I'm....playing.

I'm quite suspicious of Maspan. Wouldn't the log mention something about a successful block? Maybe he's Mafia and in order to get suspicion off of him, he didn't kill anyone this night. Maspan is that smar tto do so. Also, he immediately jumped onto my bandwagon when I've been quiet. Come on, even if I'm mafia I wouldn't stay quiet, unless I'm employing reverse reverse psychology or something.

Your bandwagon? I was the first person to do so. I also did not do so immediately, I targeted Mira first. Relax, I said I'd take the vote off if you answered, and you did. On to the next quiet person.

And since when have doctor blocks ever shown up in flavor? That's completely ridiculous and would be unfair to mafia.

[MasPan]

Double posting for a necessary bump.
[][vote]z0mgc00k13[/B]

Same deal as with Mira and Corn. I'm targeting people that aren't being active.
K, Cookie is active now too.
[][Vote]Corn[/b]
[Vote]Holypie
Corn, your highly defensive post (especially considering you were wrong on a few points) has me on guard at the moment. I'm more intrigued at the votes of Holypie and Cookie, both bandwagoning, though. As of right now an additional vote on you by me isn't going to do much, so let's see if a case can be made here for someone else. Holypie participated in yesterday's lynch and jumped to your bandwagon without much of a reason why being listed.

[z0mgc00k13]

I still dont see a reason to vote for anyone, but i guess ill just bandwagon
[vote] Corn

[MasPan]

Changed my vote.

[Mephisto]

Taoume, goles theeme toueame.

['Oe] ['olelo] [i loko] [kupanaha] ['ano]. 'A'ohe Hawaiian, [he] [aha] [kala]?

[MasPan]

Not gonna lie, I haven't once translated anything you've posted in Hawaiian Mephisto. Too bothersome.

[Mute]

Not gonna lie, I haven't once translated anything you've posted in Hawaiian Mephisto. Too bothersome.

[Mephisto]

:goggle:
:poast:

[xBTAx]

Not gonna lie, I haven't once translated anything you've posted in Hawaiian Mephisto. Too bothersome.

Same.

[Holypie]

To be honest, I'm too busy with other things to be processing the votes, scumhunting, etc., and someone said last last game that if there is anyone to follow in a game it's either Dual (host) or you, Mas. Since I'm not that great at scumhunting (I'll admit it), I usually go by the logic of others to decide who to vote for, though not the best strategy, I doubt that anyone would follow me if I DID try to start a vote on my own unless it was blindingly obvious that the target was scum.

[Dual]

if there is anyone to follow in a game it's either Dual

Funny part is everyone on Yoshi's IRC Mafia says I suck at scumhunting.

[Holypie]

Funny part is everyone on Yoshi's IRC Mafia says I suck at scumhunting.

Funny thing is that they're elitist fags.

[Dual]

Only like 3 hours or something left.

[Shidoshi]

Vote Count:
1 Mas (mute)
1 holypie (mas)
3 corn (e6, holypie, cookie)

I really don't like this bandwaggon. I feel we are not getting very far with our discussions here and are either being manipulated by mafia or just bandwaggoning randoms... Not much to be gained like this.

[MasPan]

Vote Count:
1 Mas (mute)
3 corn (e6, holypie, cookie)

I really don't like this bandwaggon. I feel we are not getting very far with our discussions here and are either being manipulated by mafia or just bandwaggoning randoms... Not much to be gained like this.

Missed 1. I have a vote on Holypie.

[Mira]

Why are people voting for Corn again? I get that Holypie's been jumping on the bandwagon and Maspan has been 'probing' people, but why Corn?

[Holypie]

Missed 1. I have a vote on Holypie.

Still out to get me? It's like my explanation was for nothing.

[ElectricSix]

Well I'm back much earlier than I expected and my own bit of pot stirring before I left looks promising. Part of my reasoning for voting for Corn was to see who else would do so. Two votes is usually when you start pulling in mafian votes against someone, especially with rather weak reasons and so few active voters. Now, of course that doesn't clear Corn to me, or make Pie or c00k13 mafians, but it does give me a bit more data about all three of them. For the moment though, I still think Corn has been acting a bit suspiciously and more mafian while Holypie and c00k13 are more being sheep . . . or at least pretending to be sheep. A tie vote for the moment wouldn't help matters much either unless almost everyone voted. And even then, that wouldn't necessarily help, it would just provide some more details about people.

[Holypie]

Cookie's usually a sheep, I'm just too tired so I'm being sheepy. I wonder where everyone is...

[Shidoshi]

I'm over here. Can't decide what's a better course of action... Hard to make a decision with so little experience in mafia games to be "telling" people by their actions and I don't want to "sheep" around too.

[MasPan]

Holypie, the reason I voted you is because, though you provided an explanation, your behavior is still pretty shady and I'm not a fan of bandwagon voting. Besides that, it was a non-Corn vote. Even if the outcome of the lynch isn't changed, I don't want to be involved in it. My only reason for voting Corn was to encourage him to post.

[ElectricSix]

I'm over here. Can't decide what's a better course of action... Hard to make a decision with so little experience in mafia games to be "telling" people by their actions and I don't want to "sheep" around too.

Generally speaking, I'm of the opinion that every vote, on every day, helps to fill out what people's roles and allegiances are. Just as the activity of some people speaks volumes, so too does the inactivity/lurking of others. Even a lynch against a townie on the 1st day can tell valuable information based upon who has voted, and who has voted for whom. Unless a detective is around, and with SP mafia, they tend to be short lived, that's really the best way to find the mafians imo.

Edit: @Mas, I'm not exactly pleased with my vote on Corn, but I wasn't happy about the Swerve vote either. It seemed obvious some people thought he wasn't a mafian, but still voted for him, reminds me of the Synthesist first day votes. Generally, "he's not mafian, but let's get rid of him anyway," doesn't help the town and actually provides good cover for mafians to slip their votes in and ensure a townie is killed. And, for now, Corn remains the one most likely to be a mafian of those that voted for Swerve yesterday. It's all I have to go on for the moment, unless we start lynching lurkers, which isn't exactly a good plan either.

[Dual]

________________________
Not many people vote today, but there is some light discussion. Some people make heavy claims, and other people attack one another. In the end, you throw Corn into the fire. As he burns, his true nature is revealed, and you see he is just a simple Townie.

_______________________
It's Night 2. School's starting up again soon so the next Day won't end so early.

[MasPan]

L > Discussion thread. Tiki Lounge anyone?

[Holypie]

He said that there wouldn't be a discussion thread in the first post. Too bad because I wouldn't mind one either.

[MetaSeraphim]

He said that there wouldn't be a discussion thread in the first post. Too bad because I wouldn't mind one either.


There is no discussion thread, so try to keep yourselves contained to only one "ARG!" post after death. If enough people bug me about wanting one, I might make one, but don't count on it

All we need to do is bug Matt to death for a discussion thread.

[Dual]

________________________
The earth cracks open and suddenly you can see down into the afterlife.

____________________________

[MasPan]

________________________
The earth cracks open and suddenly you can see down into the afterlife.

____________________________

http://allaboutadvocacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

[Dual]

_________________________
You all wake up to the morning sun. Well, not all of you. ChaoticCJ's lifeless body stares up at the roof of his hut. He was but a simple townie. A bullet would is clearly visible in his chest. You mourn his death and head to the temple. The fire in the Tiki's head is already lit, as if it was waiting for you. Waiting for one of you.

___________________________

Get to work. Day 3 ends at 8 EST tomorrow.

[MasPan]

Sorry CJ, I was protecting someone else last night.
[][vote]Holypie[/B]

Same reasons as yesterday. He's participated in 2 townie lynches now, yesterday's being a simple bandwagon.

[Holypie]

Participating in a townie lynch doesn't mean that I'm mafia, [B][vote MasPan][/B ] to tie the votes. Also, you said that you didn't want to be part of the Cornwagon, but to me that sounds like a mafian who sees that someone is going to die no matter what and wants to keep his hands clean.

[MasPan]

Participating in a townie lynch doesn't mean that I'm mafia, [vote MasPan] to tie the votes. Also, you said that you didn't want to be part of the Cornwagon, but to me that sounds like a mafian who sees that someone is going to die no matter what and wants to keep his hands clean.

Remember again that I was simply probing people to encourage participation. I removed my vote from Corn promptly after he posted. His actions were shady, but were not enough for me to suspect him. I am not strictly voting for you because of your townie lynch. However, a hasty vote onto the bandwagon is particularly grim. And, as you stated, my vote wouldn't have made a difference - I couldn't have saved him if I wanted to because of the lack of active players.

[ElectricSix]

At this point Mas, I find myself agreeing with you, but you've participated in the lynches as well. Perhaps you only started the one on Corn, but just removing your vote doesn't negate all that it means. To me, Holypie is suspicious due to his continued slim reasoning and agreement with whomever gets a lynch going, but your pot stirring hasn't exactly been helping the town. I'm not saying mine has done much better given that Corn died yesterday and was vindicated in being a townie, but it leaves me feeling that either one of you could be mafians. I don't want to make any more mistakes, as we really can't lose any other active townies, but it's looking to me that one of you is a mafian, and the other is a townie.

[Holypie]

Well going by that logic, you too, ElectricSix, can be a potential mafian. Though a thought occurred to me, what's to say that the actual mafia is lurking and reading this, and laughing? Maybe a plan would be to continue probing.

[MasPan]

Yeah, wouldn't surprise me at all if there are at least 2 mafians hiding amongst the quiet folks. And E6, are you really going to fault me for using your own strategy? Yesterday you were encouraging me, now you're blaming me for what happened. I specifically said that I suspected Holypie more than Corn.
[shrug]

If you want, we can start picking off the less active players. In Corn's name, I [][vote]Synthesist[/B]

[ElectricSix]

Well going by that logic, you too, ElectricSix, can be a potential mafian. Though a thought occurred to me, what's to say that the actual mafia is lurking and reading this, and laughing? Maybe a plan would be to continue probing.

Indeed, I'm not going to claim innocence since I participated in Corn's demise. I am a townie, but saying that means nothing unless a detective checks me out. And I too feel as though things have been going a bit too swimmingly for the mafia, but it seems unlikely that they'd all be lurkers . . . then again Dual might have done that just to mess with us. So do we vote for the lurkers? Or do we continue to hash things out amongst ourselves? On the one hand, getting rid of the lurkers will leave us with people who actually vote and hunt for mafia, on the other, if we're wrong, we'll do the mafia's work for them.

Edit: @Maspan: I praise potstirring when it's helpful, yesterday it seemed helpful. With Corn proved a townie, I too must ask myself whether your pot stirring belies a mafian picking off townies. I did not excuse myself from that specter of doubt either however, as you may note the above. You and Holypie both carry some suspicion with you, and so do I, whether that suspicion is enough to vote for either of you remains to be seen. For now, I will await what some of the other active players think before I cast any votes.

[Holypie]

Unfortunately. Though I see a lot of people lurking, anything they want to say on this?

[Mute]

Unfortunately. Though I see a lot of people lurking, anything they want to say on this?

Not tonight.

[MasPan]

Indeed, I'm not going to claim innocence since I participated in Corn's demise. I am a townie, but saying that means nothing unless a detective checks me out. And I too feel as though things have been going a bit too swimmingly for the mafia, but it seems unlikely that they'd all be lurkers . . . then again Dual might have done that just to mess with us. So do we vote for the lurkers? Or do we continue to hash things out amongst ourselves? On the one hand, getting rid of the lurkers will leave us with people who actually vote and hunt for mafia, on the other, if we're wrong, we'll do the mafia's work for them.

Edit: @Maspan: I praise potstirring when it's helpful, yesterday it seemed helpful. With Corn proved a townie, I too must ask myself whether your pot stirring belies a mafian picking off townies. I did not excuse myself from that specter of doubt either however, as you may not the above. You and Holypie both carry some suspicion with you, and so do I, whether that suspicion is enough to vote for either of you remains to be seen. For now, I will await what some of the other active players think before I cast any votes.

Agreed. Not sure where you're going with all the WIFOM'ing though.
Also, I'd rather not be killed and lose the chance to defend people. I chose wrong last night, unfortunately. However, I survived, so there's that.
Notice, also, that nobody has counterclaimed me - means one of three things:
1. I am the doctor
2. I am mafia, and I am laying a trap to lure the real doctor out
3. I am a vanilla townie and WIFOM'ing the mafia (afterall, if I'm vanilla, what do I care if the town believes that I'm a doctor or not?), and the real doctor is someone who is being quiet.

Anyways. Like I said yesterday, my potstirring was only meant to encourage participation, which it did. Somewhat. I'm honestly more skeptical of the people that did not vote (Mira, for example) after responding to my posts and of Holypie, who jumped on the bandwagon (3rd vote, if I recall, is a scumtell)

Also, Mute, I eagerly await what news you have. Hopefully you're more confident to help out soon.

[ElectricSix]

Agreed. Not sure where you're going with all the WIFOM'ing though.
Also, I'd rather not be killed and lose the chance to defend people. I chose wrong last night, unfortunately. However, I survived, so there's that.
Notice, also, that nobody has counterclaimed me - means one of three things:
1. I am the doctor
2. I am mafia, and I am laying a trap to lure the real doctor out
3. I am a vanilla townie and WIFOM'ing the mafia (afterall, if I'm vanilla, what do I care if the town believes that I'm a doctor or not?), and the real doctor is someone who is being quiet.

Anyways. Like I said yesterday, my potstirring was only meant to encourage participation, which it did. Somewhat. I'm honestly more skeptical of the people that did not vote (Mira, for example) after responding to my posts and of Holypie, who jumped on the bandwagon (3rd vote, if I recall, is a scumtell)

Also, Mute, I eagerly await what news you have. Hopefully you're more confident to help out soon.




There's always info to be gleaned from things Mas. For the moment, I'd just like to see how some of the lurkers or other actives react to things. Just having Holypie, you, and me discuss things won't lead to anything happening, but perhaps something said will pull some people out to talk. I still firmly believe that Swerve's lynch had to have a mafian involved, and thus Shidoshi and Mephisto remain on my list, as do you and Holypie. The problem I run into, is that if you are mafia Mas, you've been directing things in ways to draw out people. But if Holypie is mafia, he's just been following along. Of the two of you, you'd be far more dangerous if a mafian, but far more helpful if you're a townie. So I am forced to question your motives even as I consider Holypie's as well. Not that I'm any less suspicious, as is z0mgc00k13 or anyone else that participates in a lynch against townie. So I'm waiting to see what others think. I'd rather not any more bandwagons happen, but I'd also rather not end up with another wasted day because I helped lynch another townie.

[MasPan]

There's always info to be gleaned from things Mas. For the moment, I'd just like to see how some of the lurkers or other actives react to things. Just having Holypie, you, and me discuss things won't lead to anything happening, but perhaps something said will pull some people out to talk. I still firmly believe that Swerve's lynch had to have a mafian involved, and thus Shidoshi and Mephisto remain on my list, as do you and Holypie. The problem I run into, is that if you are mafia Mas, you've been directing things in ways to draw out people. But if Holypie is mafia, he's just been following along. Of the two of you, you'd be far more dangerous if a mafian, but far more helpful if you're a townie. So I am forced to question your motives even as I consider Holypie's as well. Not that I'm any less suspicious, as is z0mgc00k13 or anyone else that participates in a lynch against townie. So I'm waiting to see what others think. I'd rather not any more bandwagons happen, but I'd also rather not end up with another wasted day because I helped lynch another townie.

To be perfectly frank, I find it rather amusing that you consider me a higher priority target because of my ability to manipulate people when mafian. If you're asking me to back off, I'd gladly hand back the potstirring position to you - it's not really my style, though it was a necessity yesterday.

[ElectricSix]

To be perfectly frank, I find it rather amusing that you consider me a higher priority target because of my ability to manipulate people when mafian. If you're asking me to back off, I'd gladly hand back the potstirring position to you - it's not really my style, though it was a necessity yesterday.

Eh I'm fine with anyone willing to do it, it just comes with the inherent risk as always of being a rather large target. I do it because no one else generally wants to be said target. I can return to it with fair ease too, though I like to think almost every post and vote I make contain at least some hidden depth to them. Still, it's hard to pot stir with so little actiivity going on and so little voting being done. You can't be blamed for that, but it hurts the town more than anything else at this point. We still have our power roles about after all, but this silence and lack of voting is seriously harming our mafia hunting. I find myself wondering about the same old discussion, is it better to hunt inactives first, and gauge the voters afterwards, or gauge the voters first, and the inactives afterwards. We've tried the second, and it hasn't been that successful, but switching to the 1st at this point doesn't exactly ensure success either.

[Holypie]

I'm usually against it, but if there's no other option we might as well try to RNG.We could get lucky and land a mafia. =|

[Mira]

RNG voting never ends well. This isn't the first day; we must have something to go off of, right? Something's better then just random killing.

[Holypie]

Cool someone else posted.

[Mute]

Holypie is willing to resort to an RNG vote?
vote: holypie
That's the absolute last thing we need right about now.
Holypie, take a stance. You just going along with the masses is incredibly opportunistic, and makes me feel you're scum.

[Holypie]

I thought we were over this, didn't we just discuss how lynching an active person was worse than lynching an active player? Anyway I was just trying to get more people to post so we could actually decide who to lynch. Is this enough of a stance for you?

[MasPan]

I'm usually against it, but if there's no other option we might as well try to RNG.We could get lucky and land a mafia. =|

You're sounding more and more desperate with each post :/
RNG favors mafia. Not doin it.
[vote]Holypie

[Holypie]

I was planning on saying to use RNG to get people to start posting, and then figure something out from there, but clearly that didn't work. You also didn't see the post directly above yours.

[MasPan]

I was planning on saying to use RNG to get people to start posting, and then figure something out from there, but clearly that didn't work. You also didn't see the post directly above yours.

You didn't say anything about potstirring. You just said RNG.

[Holypie]

I thought we were over this, didn't we just discuss how lynching an active person was worse than lynching an active player? Anyway I was just trying to get more people to post so we could actually decide who to lynch. Is this enough of a stance for you?

?

[MasPan]

?

First post I meant. 2nd post seemed to just be an excuse.

[MetaSeraphim]

Sorry I am not really posting much, I am not all that into the game so I don't really have any opinions on who might be mafian among the active/inactive posters. If it comes down to it feel free to vote me off for being inactive.

[KajitiSouls]

Sorry I am not really posting much, I am not all that into the game so I don't really have any opinions on who might be mafian among the active/inactive posters. If it comes down to it feel free to vote me off for being inactive.

Same. I'm kinda unhappy that this turned out to be largely a vanilla game actually.

I'm kinda tempted to hop onto the HolyPie bandwagon (eehhh about the P), but ... let's see what he does.

[vote] Synthesist

[Holypie]

Stop that!

Anyway, seeing as though I'm on death row, I'm basically an unlynchable townie because I'm a famed war hero. Seeing as though I don't want the day to go to waste, I advise you to change votes, although you're free to try and lynch me.

[MasPan]

Stop that!

Anyway, seeing as though I'm on death row, I'm basically an unlynchable townie because I'm a famed war hero. Seeing as though I don't want the day to go to waste, I advise you to change votes, although you're free to try and lynch me.

Then you won't mind letting us try and confirming yourself as a townie? We could use a trusted person.

[Holypie]

That's what the last sentence refers to, yes.

[MasPan]

That's what the last sentence refers to, yes.

Fair enough. Incidentally, I've seen plenty of scum calls regarding unlynchable, but never seen a townie role with it. Sorry, I don't buy it.

[Holypie]

Who knows, have you ever seen a neutral that gives armor before kills? I really have no idea what Dual is thinking with this role but it's the role that I have. Anyway, if he were to give unlynchable to mafia, don't you think that'd be bit... OP? Only death possible is via vigilante.

[KajitiSouls]

Since when did Hawaii have war heroes? o.O

Smells like British crap to me.

[Holypie]

Like I said, who knows. Dual probably just couldn't think of anything to fit the role, assuming he writes roles like I do. Power first, flavour after. If you can't find the flavour, BS it. And I meant like battle hero or something, I think it just stuck in my head as war hero and that's what I posted.

[Dual]

Not to say anything one way or the other, but wars existed in ancient Hawaii (http://www.mythichawaii.com/hawaiian-warriors.htm).

[MasPan]

Who knows, have you ever seen a neutral that gives armor before kills? I really have no idea what Dual is thinking with this role but it's the role that I have. Anyway, if he were to give unlynchable to mafia, don't you think that'd be bit... OP? Only death possible is via vigilante.

What I meant is that it's a common scum tactic to declare unlynchable when about to be lynched, in the hopes that it deters voting.

[ElectricSix]

I don't really buy Holypie's roleclaim either Mas, but I do have some concerns about things. Most espcially a bandwagon forming, but unfortunately there's nothing much to do about that. It'd be nice to have a confirmed townie or neutral after all, and if he's lying, then chances are good he's a mafian and we'd be rid of one of them finally. I guess the chance to discover one way or other is worth my vote. Either we kill a mafian, or discover a townie . . . or neutral, and at this point, even a neutral isn't so bad considering that we have yet to successfully lynch a mafian. Which isn't so bad, but if it continues much longer, we're going to be in rather dire straits. The only reason we aren't already there is the fact that the power roles are still around. Probably the one bright point to things at this point.

[vote] Holypie

[Mephisto]

[Koho paloka] Holypie

Au ['ae] [me] ElectricSix.

[Shidoshi]

From what holypie has been posting he has attracted lots of attention to himself with following around what other people do.
This last "unlynchable" claim makes lynching him almost a win-win situation.

1. He's mafia and we'll finally lynch one
2. He's an unlychable townie and we have a confirmed townie and will create confusion for the mafia for the night.

3. He could be an unlynchable mafia but I think it's almost impossible that it would be so and then we'd have a loss (trusting he's town when he's not).

[vote] Holypie

[Dual]

1 - Synthesist
1 - MasPan
5 - Holypie

7 votes for majority.

[Holypie]

Yeah, I'm fine with you trying. [vote] Holypie to speed things up.

[Shidoshi]

1 - Synthesist
1 - MasPan
5 - Holypie

7 votes for majority.

Would you mind stating who's voting for who when doing vote counts?

[Dual]

Would you mind stating who's voting for who when doing vote counts?

6 - Holypie (MasPan, Holypie, E6, Shidoshi, Mute, Mephisto)
1 - Synthesist (Kajiti)

[xBTAx]

Posting from school~


6 - Holypie (MasPan, Holypie, E6, Shidoshi, Mute, Mephisto)
1 - Synthesist (Kajiti)

Whoah whoah whoah, what?

Was about to be the majority vote, but... ._.

[Holypie]

Read the second last page.

[Mira]

[vote] Holypie
For majority and to end the day.

[Dual]

______________________
You all gather around Holypie and grab him. You lift him and push him towards the Tiki statue. You toss him into the fire... except upon reaching the threshold of the mouth, the fire vanishes. Completely. No signs of it are left there. Holypie stands up and brushes himself off. You all shrug and proceed to head home.

___________________________
Night 3 gaiz.

[Dual]

________________
The sun rises over the water on the horizon. You all get up and look around, to see the state of the town today. After a quick look around, you find two dead bodies today.

First is Shidoshi, who has a bullet wound in his chest, the blood dried around it. Second, you see Mephisto, who has a gaping hole in his stomach, the flesh around it ripped and torn. Both of them were simple townies.

The fire that vanished so quickly yesterday appears before you all once more. Make your choice count.

__________________________
Day 4. 6 votes for majority.

[Mute]

...
Bullet wound sounds like mafia kill with the flavor, but a ripped stomach? o-o

[MetaSeraphim]

but a ripped stomach? o-o

Really bad case of food poisoning?

[Mute]

Really bad case of food poisoning?

Makes me think of a shaman sacrifice actually.

[MetaSeraphim]

Makes me think of a shaman sacrifice actually.

So, either a neutral, townie or Meph had some time limit before he died? What was the last thing Meph said? "Au ['ae] [me] ElectricSix." Too lazy to translate it.

[MasPan]

[][vote] ElectricSix[/B]

I've had this sneaking suspicion of him. Note that my vote is entirely based on feeling, not fact. As for the ripped/torn stomach, I was thinking that's more of a blunderbuss style deal, but that'd imply 2 mafia killers. Even I wasn't able to heal that, apparently.

[ElectricSix]

Heh well, I'm not a mafian, but I don't suppose me saying that will convince you if you have this "feeling" about me. For now, I'll vote for you, partially due to your own vote against me, but also because the longer you live, the more I think you're a mafian. I don't know what the others will think, but for now that will leave us tied.

[vote] MasPan

[MasPan]

Heh well, I'm not a mafian, but I don't suppose me saying that will convince you if you have this "feeling" about me. For now, I'll vote for you, partially due to your own vote against me, but also because the longer you live, the more I think you're a mafian. I don't know what the others will think, but for now that will leave us tied.

[vote] MasPan

Beginning to wonder if that's the mafia's plan...
Also curious what Mute may know.

[ElectricSix]

Beginning to wonder if that's the mafia's plan...
Also curious what Mute may know.

If that's the case, then chances are good I'm part of it as well. Lynch me today, lynch you tomorrow, or vice versa, since one of us has to be a mafian you know. -_-;; After that, there's only a handful of active voters left. Some people who pop in and out, but only a few really doing much to try and figure things out.

[MasPan]

Either way E6, there's 11 of us. If we mislynch today, and mafia gets one tonight, assuming there's 4 mafians, the town is screwed. If there's only 3 of them, they need 2 days/nights of kills.

I'm still not entirely sure what to make of Holypie's ability, but I can't see an engrishman being able to magically extinguish flames. We could always go after some of the inactive players though.
[][vote]Synthesist[/B]

[ElectricSix]

Well so far we've only dealt with pure townies, no power roles whatsoever have died. Due to that, there's a lot left for the town to do . . . assuming Dual didn't decide to mess with all of us and make everyone show up as a townie when they died. Which I don't think he'd do, but at this point, I'm starting to wonder. >_< Anyway, baring that from being the case, the town still had a lot of strength left on it's side so we're still not completely lost. The next two days and nights will be crucial though. As for Synthesist, I'd say either he or Blaine are likely mafia at this point. We've never really pressued either of them, instead going after actives and this is the state we're in so I don't think it's a bad idea. The main thing I want to know is what some of the others actives think. Holypie especially, since he's either a townie or neutral, but the others as well. For now, I'll take off my vote on you Mas, and leave it off anyone til I hear from the others. There's still a detective around after all, and maybe they've found out who is a mafian or even who of the remaining are townies.

[Mute]

Beginning to wonder if that's the mafia's plan...
Also curious what Mute may know.

Nada. Whatever the flavor given by dual knows is what I know.

[MasPan]

Nada. Whatever the flavor given by dual knows is what I know.

I see. Maybe I misinterpreted something you said earlier then.

[KajitiSouls]

[vote] Synthesist

[xBTAx]

simple townies.


So Meph was lying about being forced to talk that way?

[Mira]

So Meph was lying about being forced to talk that way?

Could that also imply that Dual doesn't say what a person's power role is when they die, and just their alignment?

[xBTAx]

Could that also imply that Dual doesn't say what a person's power role is when they die, and just their alignment?

"Simple" implies that they have no powers, but that's a possibility, I guess.

[Holypie]

That would be mean. Also, he's lied before, BTA. Remember batmafia?

[MetaSeraphim]

"Simple" implies that they have no powers, but that's a possibility, I guess.


That would be mean. Also, he's lied before, BTA. Remember batmafia?

Force to talk in hawaiian =/= a power. Plus, when did Meph lie in the Batman mafia game? I don't think he ever said he was forced to talk in rhymes.

[Holypie]

He didn't explicitly lie but come on, it was pretty obvious that he wasn't doing it for sh'its and giggles.

[MetaSeraphim]

He didn't explicitly lie but come on, it was pretty obvious that he wasn't doing it for sh'its and giggles.

And that makes him a liar, how? At least he is giving some life to his roles.

[MasPan]

And that makes him a liar, how? At least he is giving some life to his roles.

As an aside, I expect everyone to post in flavor for Venture Bros mafia.

[Holypie]

And that makes him a liar, how? At least he is giving some life to his roles.

Don't be so technical, he was obviously leading people on to deceive them about his role.

[Dual]

2 - Synthesist (MasPan, KajitiSouls)

3-4 more hours guys.

[ElectricSix]

I was rather hoping we'd see some more people active, but it appears unlikely to change much given people have had all day to discuss things. That being the case, I guess I'll go along with Mas and Kajiti to vote for Synthesist.

[vote] Synthesist

[Mute]

I was rather hoping we'd see some more people active, but it appears unlikely to change much given people have had all day to discuss things. That being the case, I guess I'll go along with Mas and Kajiti to vote for Synthesist.

[vote] Synthesist

You just going for a Policy lynch here?

[ElectricSix]

I dislike not voting at all unless I'm silenced. Even if it's a pointless vote as far as a total standpoint, I feel it serves to showcase something of the logic, personality, and deeper meaning behind the people participating. Those that are townies and don't participate by voting are significantly hurting the town. As we can see that though there's still a large number of people left, the number of voters has declined down to just the three of us who have voted consistently. For a time I felt that the mafia must be amongst that number, but I think that was precisely the mistake that they were looking for. Pitting the active players against each other is a brilliant strategy because it requires no work on their part. Our own suspicions have killed off many of our active voters numbers. Unfortunately we did a lot of the mafia's work for them, and now, hopefully we'll redress that a bit.

[MasPan]

I dislike not voting at all unless I'm silenced. Even if it's a pointless vote as far as a total standpoint, I feel it serves to showcase something of the logic, personality, and deeper meaning behind the people participating. Those that are townies and don't participate by voting are significantly hurting the town. As we can see that though there's still a large number of people left, the number of voters has declined down to just the three of us who have voted consistently. For a time I felt that the mafia must be amongst that number, but I think that was precisely the mistake that they were looking for. Pitting the active players against each other is a brilliant strategy because it requires no work on their part. Our own suspicions have killed off many of our active voters numbers. Unfortunately we did a lot of the mafia's work for them, and now, hopefully we'll redress that a bit.

Agreed for the most part. The mafia presence is minimal at best amongst the active voters. I'm beginning to see why forcing at least some discussion from inactive players is a good thing to include in the rules, and will likely do so in my game.

[Mute]

I dislike not voting at all unless I'm silenced. Even if it's a pointless vote as far as a total standpoint, I feel it serves to showcase something of the logic, personality, and deeper meaning behind the people participating. Those that are townies and don't participate by voting are significantly hurting the town. As we can see that though there's still a large number of people left, the number of voters has declined down to just the three of us who have voted consistently. For a time I felt that the mafia must be amongst that number, but I think that was precisely the mistake that they were looking for. Pitting the active players against each other is a brilliant strategy because it requires no work on their part. Our own suspicions have killed off many of our active voters numbers. Unfortunately we did a lot of the mafia's work for them, and now, hopefully we'll redress that a bit.

You're using a lot of WIFOM in that post.

[Mira]

You're using a lot of WIFOM in that post.

What's WIFOM? Can you explaine what it is and what it means?

[Holypie]

Agreed for the most part. The mafia presence is minimal at best amongst the active voters. I'm beginning to see why forcing at least some discussion from inactive players is a good thing to include in the rules, and will likely do so in my game.

A bit off topic but how will you force discussion? A rule stating that every player must post something relevant and helpful to the game once per day or be godkilled?
[B]
[vote] Synthesist[/B ]

[Mute]

@Mira:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM:_the_simple_version
or
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

[MasPan]

A bit off topic but how will you force discussion? A rule stating that every player must post something relevant and helpful to the game once per day or be godkilled?

[vote] Synthesist

Just a daily mandatory post.

[Synthesist]

Roleclaim!

I'm doctor. Go turn your votes to someone else.

[Holypie]

Just a daily mandatory post.

How does that force discussion though, people could just say "bump" to stay alive.

Also, if Synthesist is doctor, that means MasPan is lying or is a mafia.

[MasPan]

Seeing as the entire point of that was to get people to be more active, I'm changing my vote after I look over the past few pages.

[][vote]z0mgc00k13[/B]

@ Synthesist, thank you for keeping quiet long enough for my WIFOM to screw with the mafia. Much obliged.

[Mira]

That's scummy, to claim doctor just as you're about to die. :/

Edit: To clarify, I don't trust it.

[Holypie]

We could always try to kill him anyway and see if he really IS doc, and if he is then Mas is confirmed mafia. We can't know otherwise, one confirmed mafia is better than shooting around in the dark.

[MasPan]

We could always try to kill him anyway and see if he really IS doc, and if he is then Mas is confirmed mafia.

He likely is the real doc. As noted above, I was WIFOM'ing the mafia. I'm a vanilla townie.

[Mira]

If he IS the doctor, then we're screwed, unless we have a bodyguard role (which mas might be, if he still claims he can "protect" somehow.) Nvm, then.