WOW Godly Dexless Blades and Daggers...

[MrSoyMilk]

According to Tespia, the new blades coming out in v89 patch are dexless... if that is true and they are easy to obtain and if they don't expire after a period of time, then... wouldn't it be unfair for all the normal build dual blades?

man, if it's true, i'm quitting my regular build dual blade and making an dexless one... but that'd mean i wasted all my time training and spending nx on it...

does anyone know if the weapons will actually be statless? (any evidence from KMS?)

[MetaSeraphim]

First of all, KMS didn't have this first. GMS is currently the only version with these equips.

As for your second question, unless Nexon changes something on us in the patch they are indeed statless.

And it's not only unfair to normal Dual Bladers, but all classes (except warriors).

[MrSoyMilk]

Oh man, I knew i should've made a dexless dual blade... I REALLY REALLY hope they add some stat requirements for these weapons. Wow. Not only statless classes are stronger, now they are even more untouchable by giving them weapons with HIGHER weapon attack than regular weapons. Just great.

[MetaSeraphim]

To be honest with you I kind of doubt they will add any stat requirements to these weapons since every weapon is statless and it's not a simple case of just one of them being statless as a glitch, like the 127 crossbow being a level 28 one.

[MrSoyMilk]

Do you know the method and the difficulty of obtaining these items? Or any downfall of these items? For instance, maybe they cannot be upgraded with regular scrolls? Iunno.

[MetaSeraphim]

No one knows yet. And pretty sure normal scrolls work on them since the only special scrolls that were added only work on the visitor overall/gloves/helmet/shoes.

[MrSoyMilk]

Hey, I think the weapons are only temporary! that means all the normal stat jobs are okay!

[MariaColette]

Hey, I think the weapons are only temporary! that means all the normal stat jobs are okay!

Why do you think so when the weapons have no time limit in the extractions while everything else does?

Honestly, no one will know until they're actually obtainable.

[MetaSeraphim]

Hey, I think the weapons are only temporary! that means all the normal stat jobs are okay!

They aren't, the extraction would have said they were time limited, the extraction did not. And there was nothing changed about the weapons in the patch, not even the messed up level 127 crossbow.

[MrSoyMilk]

but the official website said visitors weapons will be temporary...

[MetaSeraphim]

Can you post a link to where it says this?

[Sn1perJohnE]

I didnt read anything about them being temporary. Maybe you read the temporary event as the weapons being temporary.

[MariaColette]

but the official website said visitors weapons will be temporary...

I looked at the website. There is no mention of the equips save for the Bing suit and the link containing the list of weapons.

[Erich]

The equips (and possibly) the weapons are time limited, but the largest crystanol piece will make them permanent.

[Kaasoljoyyx]

The equips (and possibly) the weapons are time limited, but the largest crystanol piece will make them permanent.

Data says weapons do not expire.

[MrSoyMilk]

Hmm, well, right now there appears to be no way to obtain these weapons. Any idea how we can/might? How did people obtain these visitor weapons in Tespia?

[MetaSeraphim]

Hmm, well, right now there appears to be no way to obtain these weapons. Any idea how we can/might? How did people obtain these visitor weapons in Tespia?

No one got the weapons in Tespia, but Tespia only went to Stage 3, not Stage 4.

[MrSoyMilk]

oh wait, you're saying you get the weapons in stage 4?

[Takebacker]

oh wait, you're saying you get the weapons in stage 4?

He's saying NO ONE KNOWS YET STOP ASKING.

Yes.

[MetaSeraphim]

oh wait, you're saying you get the weapons in stage 4?

Not exactly. Because of a glitch no one got to the end of Stage 3.

[MrSoyMilk]

^ Jeez. Does posting here bother you? Am I offending you for being a noob? = =

I'm just worried because I made a normal dex dual blader and I spent lots of nx on it already. If the new dexless blades (which appears to be stronger than normal dex blades at the same level) are easily obtainable, that means there wouldnt be a point in continuing my normal dex dual blader. I'm about to even buy 2x exp from cash shop too, so I don't want to waste things, just making sure...

But from the looks of this, it looks like I'm gonna have to start a dexless dual blader.

But thanks for those who gave information positively! I appreciate it. I guess I'll just keep an eye out for this and wait patiently.

[MetaSeraphim]

I'm just worried because I made a normal dex dual blader and I spent lots of nx on it already. If the new dexless blades (which appears to be stronger than normal dex blades at the same level) are easily obtainable, that means there wouldnt be a point in continuing my normal dex dual blader.

It's not all about the weapons you know. Being normal dex allows you to equip higher level armors, which means bigger, better and more bonuses.

Unless you can get enough stats from Helms/Pendants/Rings/Earrings/Belts to equip level 80 armors and stay statless. But then you'll have to deal with 121+ armors if they ever make them.

[MrSoyMilk]

Do the armor defenses matter that much? I mean, what can 100 weapon defense do anyway? I can get a 25-30 LUK sauna robe... and I'm planning on pumping with LUK equips too, so more LUK while having just as much weapon attack from dexless weapons (since visitor blades are just as good as normal blades, if not even better).

[Takebacker]

^ Jeez. Does posting here bother you? Am I offending you for being a noob? = =

No, you're pissing me off for asking something that's incessently being asked on literally all 3 major MS forums since the event BEGAN.

[MrSoyMilk]

How does that even "piss" you off? How am I offending you? What if I am dumb and I have Down Syndrome and I am excited for these new weapons? Can't I have the freedom to express without being flamed? So what if I made comments that I wasn't sure of but were obvious to you? What if I ask people how to change hotkeys or job advance or other noob questions? So what? Why are you even making it a big deal?

[MetaSeraphim]

Do the armor defenses matter that much? I mean, what can 100 weapon defense do anyway? I can get a 25-30 LUK sauna robe... and I'm planning on pumping with LUK equips too, so more LUK while having just as much weapon attack from dexless weapons (since visitor blades are just as good as normal blades, if not even better).

Do you know about the potential system and how it works? It's not the defense that matters, it's the % bonuses you can get from equips that matter.

You're talking about a 30 luk sauna robe, and while that is good when you're lower level, when you're level 80 and you have about lets say 300 luk (Might be low, but whatever) and you get a level 80 top with something like 10% luk that is 30 luk right there. And that is just on the top, if you get 10% luk on the bottom you'll have 60 bonus luk.

And as you get higher level that 20% bonus is going to add more and more and more.

[Takebacker]

How does that even "piss" you off? How am I offending you? What if I am dumb and I have Down Syndrome and I am excited for these new weapons? Can't I have the freedom to express without being flamed? So what if I made comments that I wasn't sure of but were obvious to you? What if I ask people how to change hotkeys or job advance or other noob questions? So what? Why are you even making it a big deal?

Are you comparing being dumb with having down syndrome...?

You have the freedom to ask so long as you've searched for an answer to your question, and i'm pretty damn sure you haven't. There are other threads where users have asked where the weapons come from on SP. There's a thread on SW general with that EXACT QUESTION right now. There have been hundreds of said threads on basil for weeks.

[MrSoyMilk]

However, (let's say if i cap DEX at 70, which most likely I will if I continued my normal dex dual blader), compared to 25 DEX for being dexless, that's an extra 45 AP that can go into LUK. That means by going dexless, on top of my sauna robe, pendant, and whatever equips, I can get an extra 45 LUK. So that means, if I continued being normal dex, I am basically trading that 45 LUK for some (supposedly) 10% potential. From your example, you said that is about 30 LUK. Well, 45 LUK > 30 LUK.

And 10% luk potential sounds expensive. Personally, I wouldn't be able to afford that.

[MrSoyMilk]

Are you comparing being dumb with having down syndrome...?

You have the freedom to ask so long as you've searched for an answer to your question, and i'm pretty damn sure you haven't. There are other threads where users have asked where the weapons come from on SP. There's a thread on SW general with that EXACT QUESTION right now. There have been hundreds of said threads on basil for weeks.

Then let's allow the admin decide. If my post was "oversaid", then the admin will close it for me. There isn't a need for you to flame me. Plus, I have a feeling you're just posting because you just think I'm dumb for asking too much. In real life, there are people who asks too many questions, because they are the worrying type. Is it up to YOU to give them a look of disgust and tell them to shut up? If that wasn't your intention, then you should've used nicer tone of voice.

[MetaSeraphim]

Well, 55 LUK > 30 LUK.

Except for the fact that your 30 luk sauna will always be a 30 luk sauna, however a 10% top won't always be 30 luk, as you level more and put more into luk that top is going to be more powerful than your sauna could ever hope to be.

A perfect sauna is 60 luk, however with 20% you could get from both a 10% top and 10% bottom that would be 60 luk if you had 300 luk. As you add more the bonus becomes more, when you have 500 luk you'll have a total of 100 bonus luk from your top and bottom while your sauna will still be 60 luk.

[MrSoyMilk]

No, I mean. 30 LUK Sauna CANCELS OUT, lets say, 30 LUK (original, not potential) from a dark pirate top.

Now the EXTRA component to consider is 45 LUK from AP vs 10% potential (another 30 LUK)

FROM THAT, its 45 LUK > 30 LUK.

But btw, isn't it possible to cube a sauna robe and because it is an overall, one has the chance to gain % LUK too?

[MetaSeraphim]

But btw, isn't it possible to cube a sauna robe and because it is an overall, one has the chance to gain % LUK too?

Sauna robe can only get 1 bonus on it, and the max % it can get on it is 3. A level 80 top can get up to 3 bonuses on it, the max being 9%.

As for the potential system just read up on it in this thread

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=29712&page=1

It'll explain better than I can. But being statless nowadays will only take you so far, most people agree it's best to go lowstat or normal.

[MrSoyMilk]

Hmm, well I guess you're right in the long run, (comparing the end result of both dexless and normal build with perfect equips), normal build will have a bit higher damage range. But with the new crazy dexless weapons, I doubt the dexless will suck that much. Anyway, thanks for that idea, I'll think about it.

[Takebacker]

Then let's allow the admin decide. If my post was "oversaid", then the admin will close it for me.

The reaction a mod/admin would have is pretty damn obvious.


There isn't a need for you to flame me.

Evidently isn't any reason to use a search bar anymore either.


Plus, I have a feeling you're just posting because you just think I'm dumb for asking too much.

I write guides. People PM me with questions EVERY DAY. There is a difference between thinking someone is dumb for asking questions, and thinking someone is dumb for not searching before asking.


Is it up to YOU to give them a look of disgust and tell them to shut up? If that wasn't your intention, then you should've used nicer tone of voice.

In real life, there are also people who look at thise people in disgust but STILL ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS. Which one do you think i am?

If getting a snappy response to your question wasn't your desire, maybe you should have searched before you asked?

[MrSoyMilk]

Wow, you make it sound like I am posting just to "piss off" people like you. You know how much more of an A-hole that makes me? I'm new to the forum. You don't see me posting elsewhere. I DIDN'T KNOW, OKAY? It would've been a nicer way to send me a link to help a noob out like me to more answers that have been previously answered on the forum, so that I wouldn't have posted more questions. Or simply tell me to search it up without flaming me. It's not like I made an offensive comment. Wow. Get a life for taking this so seriously. ANY forum is a place for people to seek help, not to seek for flames or insults. Even IF admin would have the same reaction, it does not justify that you are allowed to offend noobs.

[Takebacker]

Wow, you make it sound like I am posting just to "piss off" people like you.

Uh, not in any way whatsoever. You can think that if you'd like, though.


You know how much more of an A-hole that makes me?

Dunno.


I'm new to the forum. You don't see me posting elsewhere.

How new are you to basil and SW? Nexon forums? You can find people who have asked that question on all of those forums and last i checked, searching your question before asking is a pretty standard rule on pretty much every forum on the internet...


It would've been a nicer way to send me a link to help a noob out like me to more answers that have been previously answered on the forum.

Send you a link to people saying "WE DON'T KNOW YET"?


Wow. Get a life for taking this so seriously.

> Implying that i'm actually taking this seriously.


ANY forum is a place for people to seek help, not to seek for flames or insults.

Note: I haven't said a single word to warrant a flaming infraction. :P Having a bad attitude is not the same thing as flaming someone. Cursing or saying words that are actually insulting would be flaming.

What i'm now doing is derailing/spamming/drama llama'ing, and for that reason i shall not post further.


Even IF admin would have the same reaction, it does not justify that you are allowed to offend noobs.

I never said an admin would have the same reaction. I said the reaction a mod would have to seeing this thread is obvious. (WARNING/INFRACT ME, IF YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW)

[Erich]

Don't forget that statless characters fail by the time we hit Big Bang.

[CarrionCrow]

Don't forget that statless characters fail by the time we hit Big Bang.

Do they really? Other than magicians I don't think statless will suck at all. Warriors wont have much need for acc which makes dex useless to add points in, bowmen can easilly get the str for bows/crossbows from gear alone. Thieves and pirates are a little more tricky, but its hardly impossible to use level 120 weapons with lowest possible base secondary stat. Not to mention if the VIP weapons are possible to get without selling your soul to jebus, that will totally and utterly crush regular stat chars pre- and post big bang. It's a shame, I was so happy with the potential systems way of promoting higher lvl gear. It wasn't enough though.

[Tay]

Unfortunately dexless warriors are your best pick after bigbang.

[-Ghost-]

Don't forget that statless characters fail by the time we hit Big Bang.

Can you explain why this is, or if there's a thread that explains it can I get a link to it? :ohno: I just made a brand new Fighter, Brawler and Bandit and I wouldn't want to decide on a stat build and it turn out to be a bad decision in the near future :eek:

[Kaasoljoyyx]

With gear it doesn't matter much. My friend is at 23 luk [999 int at 200] and she can wear a marine staff [requires 110 luk]. All she has to do is switch to a luk overall and she can go reverse.

[Kabanaw]

With gear it doesn't matter much. My friend is at 23 luk [999 int at 200] and she can wear a marine staff [requires 110 luk]. All she has to do is switch to a luk overall and she can go reverse.


It would still be better to go either low or regular luk, especially if they ever release lvl 121+ equips. Sure, your friend could equip a lvl 121+ weapon, but a unique level 130 overall could give 12% int with just one bonus. If the unique primary bonus of a level 130 hat, shoes, shield, overall, and gloves are all int then one could get 60% extra int, compared to 45% extra from 3rd job equips, and 30% extra from 2nd job equips. In fact, if 130 equips are ever released, I would probably bring my base luk up high enough so it would only take medal, belt, pendant, and earring bonuses to equip the 130 set.

[Wheels1]

It would still be better to go either low or regular luk, especially if they ever release lvl 121+ equips. Sure, your friend could equip a lvl 121+ weapon, but a unique level 130 overall could give 12% int with just one bonus. If the unique primary bonus of a level 130 hat, shoes, shield, overall, and gloves are all int then one could get 60% extra int, compared to 45% extra from 3rd job equips, and 30% extra from 2nd job equips. In fact, if 130 equips are ever released, I would probably bring my base luk up high enough so it would only take medal, belt, pendant, and earring bonuses to equip the 130 set.

Low LUK is always better than normal LUK in my opinion, because low LUK mages have higher base INT, and they can still wear higher mage equipments.

Also, it's best to use at least level 71 (not level 70) overalls, such as Dark Enigma, and gloves, such as Dark Clarity, because they give better potential stats than LUKless armors.

On-Topic: Being a low-DEX Dual Blader is still the way to go, because the level 80 top and bottom combo deals much better potential stats than a level 30 Sauna robe. Not to mention that it's better to use a Larceny (Level 80 Thief glove) or any other higher thief glove than Brown Work Gloves for higher potential LUK stats.

[Kabanaw]

Low LUK is always better than regular LUK in my opinion, because low LUK mages have higher base INT, and they can still wear higher mage equipments.

Also, it's best to use at least level 71 (not level 70) overalls, such as Dark Enigma, and gloves, such as Dark Clarity, because they give better potential stats than LUKless armors.

If you're talking about high end potential equips, regular would probably win.

lukless - 999 int, 23 base luk, 30 int zhelm, 22 int htp, using lvl 50 equips, 30% int bonus, 22 = 1366 int

low luk -972 int, 50 base luk, 30 int zhelm, 22 int htp, lvl 80 equips, 2nd job shield, 39% bonus = 1423 int

regular luk -922 int, 100 base luk, no zhelm, 22 int htp, lvl 130 equips, 60% bonus- 1510 int

This is assuming we will get 130 equips, and using a HTP over a MoN post-BB.

Also, since this is the theif forum, if you want to continue this discussion I'd suggest making a thread in the magician section

[Kaasoljoyyx]

Maybe I'm just funded, so I see things differently. My DB is 25 base, but it won't lose out on any gear from potentials. Every single equip it will wear will be 71+ if possible

Scar/Chaos zak helm
Goggles/glasses
DB mask
71+ earrings/cape
80 bottom
80/90 top
80/90/100 shoe
80/90/100 glove
htp
100/110/127 katara
120/127 dagger
witch/pharoah belt

Really all classes should just go as low as possible on their secondary stat while still being able to wear 71+ equips. How low they can go depends on funding, and in some cases that will land in regular/low/statless category.

[MetaSeraphim]

Really all classes should just go as low as possible on their secondary stat while still being able to wear 71+ equips. How low they can go depends on funding, and in some cases that will land in regular/low/statless category.

However if they ever make armor over level 121 (More possible now than it was thanks to GMS/TMS) all of that gets thrown out a window. Of course for now it might be better, but as proven with these 127 equips things can change, and fast.

[Wheels1]

If you're talking about high end potential equips, regular would probably win.

lukless - 999 int, 23 base luk, 30 int zhelm, 22 int htp, using lvl 50 equips, 30% int bonus, 22 = 1366 int

low luk -972 int, 50 base luk, 30 int zhelm, 22 int htp, lvl 80 equips, 2nd job shield, 39% bonus = 1423 int

regular luk -922 int, 100 base luk, no zhelm, 22 int htp, lvl 130 equips, 60% bonus- 1510 int


The problem is that there are no level 130 armors that are out in GMS, and regular-LUK mages lose more INT than low-LUK. In my opinion, the only good thing about regular-LUK mages is that they don't have to use stat equipments like Targa Hat, Master Adventurer Medal, etc. Any armor that is at least level 71+ can have good potential stats, so low-LUK is the best way for me.

I am going to convert my bishop from LUKless to low-LUK.


Maybe I'm just funded, so I see things differently. My DB is 25 base, but it won't lose out on any gear from potentials. Every single equip it will wear will be 71+ if possible.

On-Topic: Ahh, okay. Well, if your DB is 25 base DEX, but you use DEX capes or earrings (not the potential +% DEX), you can still be considered low-DEX. DEXless Dual Bladers mostly use LUK equips, including potential stats, but except the equipments that can't be scrolled for LUK, like Scarlion/Targa Hat or any Face Accesories.