We Don't Need No Theme Mafia - signups

[Five Second Pose]

Signups for a themeless mafia game. Will post rules when the game starts, there are a few things I need to fiddle with. If you have any questions, I'll try to answer them in this thread before the game starts.

Rules

1. The game will cycle between Night and Day, beginning with Night 0. Killing will not work on Night 0.

2. Days and nights will last 24 hours each, or until majority/all actions are in.

3. Role PMs and result PMs may not be traded.

4. If you don't want to use your Night Role, please send a PM to me with the title 'Night x - Idling' anyway. This at least shows you're paying attention to the game.

5. Lynch votes must be bolded. No Lynch is not an acceptable vote. Please make sure that you unbold obsolete votes. In the event of a tie, neither user will be lynched.

6. There are items in this game.

7. Do not screenshot anything related to the game.

8. Do not talk about the game with or in front of living players while you are dead, unless allowed to by the host. You may still plan with your teammates if you're mafia, but only for the sake of planning strategies.

9. Do not impersonate other players or me. You may not fake logs, including logs with me.

10. If you have any questions about your role or the game please don't hesitate to contact me. If I'm on IRC I'll be on #southperry.

11. IRC is not required, but would be of great use.

12. The game ends when any win condition is fulfilled. All win conditions involve destroying every other faction.

13. There are x players in this game.

14. Priorities are set and kept secret. However, they can be changed through the use of abilities and items.

15. It is recommended that you create IRC channels on irc.gamesurge.net for the people you know you can trust. Give me access to these channels so I can keep an eye on what's going on. For those who do not use IRC a lot, here is how you secure an IRC channel. (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67901)

16. Each mafia faction may communicate privately amongst themselves, and each group of masons (all players will be in a mason group) may communicate privately with one another. All other communication must take place in the gameplay thread.

17. There are x. There may or may not be neutrals.

18. Items may be distributed to others. PM me with "Give ITEM to USER".

19. I will provide a list of power roles that are in this game, as these roles are common knowledge to players that play mafia frequently.

Playerlist
1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Daku
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will
13. Mephisto
14. ClawofBeta
15. SteelSeraph
16. y0y0y0y0shi0
17. Synthesist

[TřbiasBlack]

for this ill sign up. never played a mafia game and the game itself does kinda confuse me.

[Kurtle]

1.TobiasBlack
2.Kurtle

[Jedward]

1.TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection

[xBTAx]

1.TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx

[Five Second Pose]

Will answer any questions you have in this thread.

[Lord Xela]

1.TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela

Also, as I just mentioned on IRC, there was a rule change I was hoping to try imposing (I was expecting to host the next one). That rule being as follows: the same rules regarding the discussion thread I had in my game will apply to IRC - no serious game-related discussion can occur there. I say this for two reasons:
1) I know Mibbit makes IRC easy to access, but there are still the people who don't have the time to get on IRC and have a long discussion. It's much easier for said people to be able to look through the thread and post a reply, and it doesn't take much time.
2) What happened to Seraph. Yes, he was mafia scum. But the fact remains that the entire plan to vote him to death was apparently discussed in IRC, and then the day was just a giant unexplained bandwagon. For people who weren't in IRC or don't have time to use it, it's nice to be able to actually see the reasons for decisions and have a chance to defend themselves.
Again, it wouldn't necessarily be a permanent rule. I just want to try it out for at least one game and see how it goes. Maybe people will like it more, maybe they'll like it less. It's worth trying, though.

Also, I was going to put a ban on private discussion between non-mafia/masons/lovers, just to cut down on the threat of supermasonry. Dunno how people feel about that idea, but I know at least some of the players in my first game were very annoyed with the large quantities of communication.

[Holypie]

I think Ray's rule of "I ALWAYS HAVE TO BE THERE" is fine personally. It becomes almost impossible to single out a mafia member without revealing your role. Oh you're the detective and you found a mafia? "How do you know!" *lynch*

[Daku]

1.TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6.
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10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.Ceddybear

[Manu]

6. Darkmaniak
I agree on the IRC being for not serious stuff too, the pokemafia caught me bussy and I didn't go on IRC ( I don't go normally, but still )

[Dual]

7. DualReaver. Lucky number 7.

[ElectricSix]

I'll join again since I have at least a small clue on how to play now. XP

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix

XP

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

1.TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela

Also, as I just mentioned on IRC, there was a rule change I was hoping to try imposing (I was expecting to host the next one). That rule being as follows: the same rules regarding the discussion thread I had in my game will apply to IRC - no serious game-related discussion can occur there. I say this for two reasons:
1) I know Mibbit makes IRC easy to access, but there are still the people who don't have the time to get on IRC and have a long discussion. It's much easier for said people to be able to look through the thread and post a reply, and it doesn't take much time.
2) What happened to Seraph. Yes, he was mafia scum. But the fact remains that the entire plan to vote him to death was apparently discussed in IRC, and then the day was just a giant unexplained bandwagon. For people who weren't in IRC or don't have time to use it, it's nice to be able to actually see the reasons for decisions and have a chance to defend themselves.
Again, it wouldn't necessarily be a permanent rule. I just want to try it out for at least one game and see how it goes. Maybe people will like it more, maybe they'll like it less. It's worth trying, though.

Also, I was going to put a ban on private discussion between non-mafia/masons/lovers, just to cut down on the threat of supermasonry. Dunno how people feel about that idea, but I know at least some of the players in my first game were very annoyed with the large quantities of communication.
Or, you know, people could actually follow the rules next time, seeing as one of the rules was "MUST HAVE IRC."
:f7:

I'm still debating as to whether or not I want to join this one. Seeing as the last one turned out...-cough-

[MetaSeraphim]

I would play, but I don't like the fact that you have to use the IRC.

[Lord Xela]

Exactly. The "must have IRC" was (no offense) stupid, in my opinion. It's a FORUM mafia game, not an IRC mafia game. The heavy discussion should take place on the forum, where it's logged and easily readable to any and all players.

[ThatHurts]

Oh goody...

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. ThatHurts

[Russt]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. ThatHurts
10. Russt

[Will]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. ThatHurts
10. Russt
11. Will

[Kurtle]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DarkManiak
8. DualReaver
9. ElectricSix
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will


Agree with Alex on this COMPLETELY. Some of us, you know, have jobs that require us to actually *gasp* WORK! I was caught working 40 hours the week this happened and without people discussing it in the actual thread I WAS REALLY LOST. Minor issues should be discussed on IRC with main details being on the forum. Or at least, you know, show the log of what happened.

[Five Second Pose]

In a nutshell, I guess I can't host games like the ones I usually play on forums.

[Mephisto]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will
13. Mephisto

In Discussion Should Take Place On The Forum Base

[Corn]

I prefer IRC....you can interrogate people one-one-one there. On forums, you can't really do that because PMing takes too long and us regular users only have 50 space.


1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will
13. Mephisto
14. ClawofBeta

Please don't make it too complicated. Make it like the first mafia game. Thanks.

[Five Second Pose]

I'll be writing up the rules tomorrow, as we have finally reached a decision regarding supermasonry after hours of debate. What we're going to do is put each player in a group of three or four randomly. These groups may talk amongst themselves, but they won't know the roles of the other people. You could have a mafian, two mafians, all villagers, or hell, even neutrals in your little "sect".

[SteelSeraph]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will
13. Mephisto
14. ClawofBeta
15. SteelSeraph

[Five Second Pose]

Rules have gone up, questions and comments are welcome as always.

[TřbiasBlack]

sorry ray, but honestly this's the first time ive ever even played a mafia game, it's always seemed complicated to me; could you explain rules 16 and 17 with scenarios please?

[Mephisto]

I think I can answer your questions, and since I don't have anything better to do, I will!

For #16, basically, the player list is going to be divided into groups (randomly), proportional to the number of players. Let's say that the sign-ups stop at 15, the best balance then would be to have 5 groups of 3. Each of the 3 people within a group can communicate with each other outside of the gameplay thread, but only within their 3-person group. The exception is members of a mafia group. A mafian can communicate with the other 2 players in his group, as well as communicating with his mafian allies. So, let's break down the list hypothetically:
Group 1
1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection

Group 2
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear

Group 3
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak

Group 4
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will

Group 5
13. Mephisto
14. ClawofBeta
15. SteelSeraph

Obviously I didn't do the groups randomly , but this is just an example. A bolded name signifies a mafia member. So, the players in group 1 can all talk to each other privately, but nobody outside that group, except for Kurtle, who can also talk to ElectricSix, Darkmaniak and Will. The other 2 players in his group won't know this of course, it's left to them to attempt to figure it out. If that didn't help, then, sorry. :<

As for rule #17, I think Ray typo'd it a bit. It should read "Ther are [x] factions (in the game). There may or may not be neutrals (i.e. independent roles). Basically, the number of factions will be determined by the number of players who join, and to learn more about neutral roles you can read up at this website: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page You'll probably want to check out the "Newbie Guide," "Rules" and "Roles" pages.

Hope that clears things up for ya.

[Five Second Pose]

I put in "x" instead of numbers in some places because that's dependent on how many people end up playing. Adding to Meph's explanation, basically all the players in each group can have private communications (PMs, private IRC channels, IRV queries) with each other. In addition to that, all the bolded players can talk to each other, as they're mafia. The premise is that players can still have private communications, they just have to be careful what they say to who lest they tell the mafia their role.

[TřbiasBlack]

ahh, yes, very much so, thank you.
but within each group, what're some of the things that the team can discuss?

[Five Second Pose]

You can discuss almost anything. The weather, who looks suspicious, what your role is (you don't have to tell the truth, remember!), that kind of thing. However, pasting anything I send to you is strictly prohibited.

[TřbiasBlack]

You can discuss almost anything. The weather, who looks suspicious, what your role is (you don't have to tell the truth, remember!), that kind of thing. However, pasting anything I send to you is strictly prohibited.

ahh, ok.
hopefully i won't f'uck up too badly. =x

[ElectricSix]

ahh, ok.
hopefully i won't f'uck up too badly. =x

It's not nearly as bad as it may seem at first. The last one was my first game and I don't think I did too badly. :D I'm sure you'll do fine, and you can always pester Ray with any questions you have like I did. XP

[Corn]

List of roles, but no lists of items? =P

[Lord Xela]

No killing on night 0? That strikes me as odd...

[TřbiasBlack]

No killing on night 0? That strikes me as odd...

its a plot within a plot: the game master is dead. xP

[y0y0y0y0shi0]

16. y0y0y0y0shi0

You said we wouldn't start until Sunday, right?
I won't get back until then. :<
If we do start before then, well...

[Five Second Pose]

No killing on night 0? That strikes me as odd...

I'm toying with the idea of letting the village gain some free information before they lynch.

[ElectricSix]

I'm toying with the idea of letting the village gain some free information before they lynch.

So does that mean the mafia get some advantage to balance it out? Or is it more of a test idea to see how it works out?

[Five Second Pose]

So does that mean the mafia get some advantage to balance it out? Or is it more of a test idea to see how it works out?

They might, they might not. It is a test idea, for sure.

[Synthesist]

1. TobiasBlack
2. Kurtle
3. Infection
4. xBTAx
5. Lord Xela
6. Ceddybear
7. DualReaver
8. ElectricSix
9. Darkmaniak
10. ThatHurts
11. Russt
12. Will
13. Mephisto
14. ClawofBeta
15. SteelSeraph
16. y0y0y0y0shi0
17. Synthesist

[Corn]

I'm toying with the idea of letting the village gain some free information before they lynch.

I'l give you some accolades if you actually come up with a decent plot of the villagers voting to kill the Mafia before the Mafia even killed yet.

@Synthesist COPAH PASTA THE LIST.

[Synthesist]

I added the list. :/

[Corn]

So...when are we starting?

[Dual]

So...when are we starting?

Yeah, this Ray. Did something happen?

[Five Second Pose]

I was going to work on roles and stuff on the weekend, but I had Pakistan flood relief stuff to help out with. Will let you know when it starts.

[Five Second Pose]

I am commencing composal of role PMs, so signups are closing in two hours.

[Corn]

Finally. Had fun helping with the flood?

[Five Second Pose]

I wasn't IN Pakistan, I was just boxing stuff to send there during the weekend for my 40 hours.

EDIT : Signups are now closed.

[ElectricSix]

So does that mean it's going to start tonight? Or tomorrow? Not to rush you, just wondering. :P

Edit: *Goes on IRC* Lol nevermind my question. XD