"Please do not swear on this server"

[Magus]

If there is one thing I cannot stand, it's when people do this on First Person Shooters. The usual reasoning is "Oh, there are kids on this server!"
Wait. It's ok to expose them to people getting shot in the head with a sniper rifle, burned to death with a flame thrower, blown up into tiny pieces with a rocket launcher, or a combination of rockets and gunfire from a sentry (On TF2), but NOT swearing? The game is rated "M" you dumb shits, that means DON'T LET YOUR 12-YEAR-OLD BRAT PLAY IT. I don't give a fuck if it's your server, therefor you can make the rules. You're still being a fucking moron. I will grief the shit out of any server like this. You people piss me off.

EDIT: I am talking about casual swearing such as "For fuck sake" after loosing 10 matches in a row, NOT swearing every other sentence.

[Cardboardsnail]

Yeah. I've always thought that too about FPS games
Logic doesn't work with some parents I guess

[wobbufet]

You should simply tell them what you just told us. If they don't listen to that just swear the crap out of the server until they kick you.

[Magus]

You should simply tell them what you just told us. If they don't listen to that just swear the crap out of the server until they kick you.
Some times I do, others I use HLSS until they ban me.

[Mark]

Team Fortress 2 is kind of Cartoony though. I could see why some parents wouldn't mind playing it with their kids.

But still. Telling you not to cuss is just bullshit.

[Dagger]

I like how people ask that you don't cuss, I myself find it offensive when people cuss way too much, and I rather not listen to someone who cusses every other word. I wouldn't want my young kid to be listening to that kind of language, even if it's breif.

[Lana♥]

Well there is a reason why alot of games say "game experience might change during online play". It's one of those things you can't control! Pretty sure all First Person Shooters are rated M so swearing is sort of expected in these kinds of games.

[unholyfreak911]

If I was a parent I think I'd trust my kids to know not to swear. especially when they are old enough to play a computer fps.

[Eldin]

Well, even though I don't swear, I can see your point. As long as obscene words aren't being dropped in every other mora, swearing should be at the very least tolerable for every person old enough to play M-rated games.

As for parents buying M-rated games for their 10 year old kids (and then raising duststorms about the contents)... that's a different topic. :P

[Magus]

Team Fortress 2 is kind of Cartoony though. I could see why some parents wouldn't mind playing it with their kids..
Counter Strike, Counter Strike: Source, and Half Life 2 Deathmatch are not however.


My clan server on CS doesn't allow swearing. There's a difference, kids play on the server (the admin's and clan members children and such). The killing & attacking can be seen on the news, seen everywhere and it's obvious that it's 'cartoon' or not real. You can explain to your kid (and they already know) that this is a GAME.

Swearing, is a different thing. You don't want your kid hearing older people say fuck every 5 minutes and thinking it's good to say it as well, by hearing REAL people who are older say things, they'll catch up on it and do it also.
You miss the point entirely. Impressionable kids that age shouldn't be playing a first person shooter rated M in the first place.

I like how people ask that you don't cuss, I myself find it offensive when people cuss way too much, and I rather not listen to someone who cusses every other word.
Someone swearing every other word is understandible, however getting banned from a server for saying "For fuck sake.." casually is ridiculous. Perhaps I should state that in my first post.

I wouldn't want my young kid to be listening to that kind of language, even if it's breif.
Why would your "young kid" be playing these games in the first place if it's rated "M"?

[Magus]

You missed my point: Killing, Shooting & Violent Video Games are different from real people swearing. Children can understand that killing and violence, shooting and death is WRONG. They can also understand that it is a video game and there's nothing wrong with it. It's not about 'impressionable' children, it's about constantly being around that sort of language, it grows on you.

You should realize that when you are around people who swear alot, you begin to swear a bit more even without wanting to. This isn't about being impressionable, it just happens. Kids will start swearing more if they listen to that and continue to do so outside of the game.

However, I can say without a doubt they will not go kill people outside the game.
I can see your point on the swearing portion.
However, if every kid is like you say, why is it even rated M?

[Cats]

To quote the South Park movie:

"Horrible deplorable violence is okay, as long as nobody says any naughty words!"

Yeah, there's society's unwritten rules for ya.

Kids are going to be exposed to it anyway. If a kid is ready to be exposed to all the violence in video games and TV unmonitered, then they don't need to be sheltered from profane language either.

Don't get me wrong, there's a time and a place for bad language, but if you're gonna let a kid be exposed to OTHER things that are intended for ADULTS (INCLUDING M rated games), swears aren't gonna kill them.

[Sandthief]

Everything should be balanced. In first instance, if a kid is playing a "M" rated game, I suppose their parents know what the hell is going to be on the internetz, c'mon, they even buy GTA to their kids.

The other side of this, people don't want sailor talk on the game in all times, others go to the extreme kicking people for it. A solution for this is to write a filter and replace it with <censored>, as IRC servers do in some channels.

If a kid is mature enough to play those kind of games without having nightmares, and know the meaning of some words and the social impact of them, they should be able to play without screwing up the language.

For fuck sake, decency is overrated.

[Sandthief]

Filters ftw!

If the kid can learn violence is bad, then they can learn that swearing is not good either. Just a matter of balance, if a game is not considered for children, the parents who buy it and allow the kid to play online should be aware of the language on the internet.

Meanwhile everything is in a good taste, it should be ok, or designate a place where you're absolutely certain there will be a lot of crap.

[Magus]

It's rated M because of anal parents who will scream and whine if even the small possibility of having to be responsible for their children. They want a falling back excuse for things to blame on. "My son didn't listen to me because he played that game, if only I knew it was for older people!"



Violence in video games & TV is not comparable to profane language. You will end up using profane language in your life, no matter what. It will either become something used often or something never said. Someone who is subjected to violence in TV will most likely understand it is wrong and it is not normal. You see it everyone and it is shown everyone that IT IS NOT RIGHT TO HURT.

However, it's not shown that it's not ok to swear because, well, it is ok to swear. You just need to know when you can use it. It's not good to swear infront of a person with authority. Why? They will fuck you up. Someone who grows up in an environment of hearing swear words everywhere will think it's ok and use it everyone.

You can't say the same for violence (unless you're going to use the example of a wife beater, etc which isn't what we're talking about).
Ok. I am not going to bother continuing this debate, as I can already tell it's going to degrade into a petty argument about morals, standards, and what have you.
I am content to leave it at that if you are.

[loddlaen]

If your on someone elses server, shouldn't you abide by their rules?
Though if it slips out and is a one off, you shouldnt be kicked. But if you have been warned not to and continue to swear, then you only have yourself to blame.

Im not sure how the ratings work in other countries but in Australia there are two M ratings.
M - Recommended for mature audiences
MA15+ - Not suitable for people under 15. Under 15s must be accompanied by a parent of guardian

If shops do the right thing, M can be sold to those under 15, but MA15+ can't be (I think that is how it works for games). Parent should still be taking responsibility for what their kids are accessing on the web. If they allow their kids to enter any server and then try to complain about the swearing, tough luck. However, if they set up a more "younger audience" friendly server, that goes back to my earlier point. Respect the house rules.