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Fiel

2010-07-09, 09:00 AM

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 09:11 AM

Google translator is poor :(

But for paladin, FA work witrh rush/blast, for hero, it work with brave slash/rush/monster magnet.

about the combat order, it work with almost every 4job skill :o, it work with maple warrior, sharp eyes, blast, brandish, advanced combo, etc :p

Something weird about combat order: its a 3job skill that basically only work with 4job skills o_o

Patchouli

2010-07-09, 09:15 AM

Combat Orders?
I must have missed that in the last extraction. Would anyone mind elaborating on what that is?

Bribery

2010-07-09, 09:17 AM

Since FA works with Strafe (I'm guessing that's what "Rafe forest" is from Google Translate), would that imply it works with Ultimate Strafe?

Fiel

2010-07-09, 09:21 AM

Combat Orders?
I must have missed that in the last extraction. Would anyone mind elaborating on what that is?

Adds two levels to all of the skills in the list. It's a WK skill.

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 09:22 AM

Combat Orders?
I must have missed that in the last extraction. Would anyone mind elaborating on what that is?

- New skill --> Combat Orders - Right now it has the same visual aesthetics as Maple Hero, but I'm sure that will change in the future. It's a party skill that increases all of the party's skill levels by +2 at max. However, it cannot increase the skill level beyond its maximum. This is a third job skill.

this^ ninja'ed ;(

Alloy

2010-07-09, 09:27 AM

Excelent. I'd love if it was all in english, though D:

Having a bad time with Night Lord's.

EDIT: Nevermind, managed to see through it. SO! Throwing star master is in there... Better chances to recharge, HECK YEAH. Also, main attacks... I spot sharp eyes... Maple hero... Looks FANTASTIC.

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 09:33 AM

so does it mean, if i have lvl 30 mw, and i use combat order, i will have lvl 32 mw?

we need videos of paladin using combat order :(

Alloy

2010-07-09, 09:34 AM

so does it mean, if i have lvl 30 mw, and i use combat order, i will have lvl 32 mw?

we need videos of paladin using combat order :(

That is correct. And it can go further, with skill adding equipments.

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 09:37 AM

That is correct. And it can go further, with skill adding equipments.

that is kinda odd, i think fiel can extract the skill to see if it can go past its max lvl.

Fiel

2010-07-09, 09:44 AM

that is kinda odd, i think fiel can extract the skill to see if it can go past its max lvl.

I can calculate values beyond a skill's maximum level, yes. I fully plan on including that with the new skill tables I'm working on.

Alloy

2010-07-09, 09:45 AM

I can calculate values beyond a skill's maximum level, yes. I fully plan on including that with the new skill tables I'm working on.

Toldya, Fiel! You didn't believe me! :goggle:

Fiel

2010-07-09, 09:46 AM

I'm lost. When did I not believe you?

CarrionCrow

2010-07-09, 09:46 AM

that is kinda odd, i think fiel can extract the skill to see if it can go past its max lvl.

Not it's not, the qoute of Fiel you posted was from an outdated description. New battle order increase above maximum of the listed skills. If I'm going to guess I'll say it might not work on the Paladin casting it, but I don't know.

shagreen heart

2010-07-09, 09:48 AM

it's hard to get used to paladins going from complete obscurity to being the party general and making such a huge impact on bosses with CO and threaten.

not to mention being completely friggin invincible while spamming instant death attacks... yeesh.

Teppi

2010-07-09, 09:51 AM

can the skills go up to lvl 33 (with combat order + timeless/reverse gears)?

Fiel

2010-07-09, 09:53 AM

Alloy

2010-07-09, 10:00 AM

I'm lost. When did I not believe you?

They won't let you go past the skill cap. Also, from the way I'm reading it, they won't even let you go past the mastery level of your skill. Read the description.

Furthermore, I highly doubt the game will let you count Combat Order points toward pre-requisites. So you'll still need to max essential skills. I really don't get the point of this skill. It's like the first shot Pages have at finally getting a party skill, and it's not a very good one at that.

That's actually possible considering each skill has a formula dependant on skill points. Like, "+2% per SP". So, technically, it could calculate beyond that.

Let's hope they just didn't consider this until now, and they forgot to remove the old cap.

It's true that it could be done given how they've changed how skills work in the skill.wz file. Hell, I could do it easily. If they made that change, everyone would want a pally in their party! EVERYONE. I'd say it might even be overpowering.

Not a bad thing, just something I remembered :p

Anyways, I think some variables might be locked at max level. For example, MP costs get locked at max level. Maybe some other skills have other locked values, like recast time.

Fiel

2010-07-09, 10:02 AM

What's your source that MP cost is locked beyond max level?

Alloy

2010-07-09, 10:04 AM

What's your source that MP cost is locked beyond max level?

A pair of screenshots with a reverse weapon going over the limit. Or... Maybe it was an odd number making it not go up...

What I know, is that 30 -> 31 had the same mp cost on brandish.

Fiel

2010-07-09, 10:08 AM

A pair of screenshots with a reverse weapon going over the limit. Or... Maybe it was an odd number making it not go up...

What I know, is that 30 -> 31 had the same mp cost on brandish.

Brandish MP cost (yes, the third job one) is 15+d(x/3)

So, level 31:

15 + d(31/3)
15 + d(10.333)
15 + 10
25

Level 30:
15 + d(30/3)
15 + d(10)
15 + 10
25

I don't see any evidence of MP cost being locked. If you see a level 33 brandish and the MP cost is the same, let me know.

Arroz

2010-07-09, 10:09 AM

que dmg hoes trying their damest to get skilled reverse weapons

Alloy

2010-07-09, 10:11 AM

Brandish MP cost (yes, the third job one) is 15+d(x/3)

So, level 31:

15 + d(31/3)
15 + d(10.333)
15 + 10
25

Level 30:
15 + d(30/3)
15 + d(10)
15 + 10
25

I don't see any evidence of MP cost being locked. If you see a level 33 brandish and the MP cost is the same, let me know.

My bad, there, mixed up stuff, THIS is the screenshot I meant... I didn't have time to check, but people said it locked.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2nq71fr.jpg

GOD DAMMIT, doesn't prove anything. Oh well, maybe it DOES not have a lock. I'd like to make sure, someone said it, but I've seen a reverse sword giving to something at 4th job...

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 10:11 AM

Dark Knight - Beholder

Holy pineapple I just came. Totally forgot about this beast. Can I have this skill's formula for Mastery?

Nevermind, +2% per level, so 94% Mastery (does any equip add Beholder?) it is.

Fiel

2010-07-09, 10:13 AM

ok, Angel Ray MP Cost is 16+2*d(x/2)

Level 30:
16 + 2*d(30/2)
16 + 2*15
16 + 30
46

Level 31:
16 + 2*d(31/2)
16 + 2*d(15.5)
16 + 2*15
16 + 30
46

Still not seeing any signs of MP cost being locked.

Arroz

2010-07-09, 10:13 AM

it would be cool if they upped the mp cost by a lot giving you a choice between higher attack with a huge mp cost or just being normal with a manageable one. MMO's are all about the law of diminishing returns so as you get higher the opportunity costs of getting stronger start meeting the value of the benefit

Alloy

2010-07-09, 10:18 AM

ok, Angel Ray MP Cost is 16+2*d(x/2)

Level 30:
16 + 2*d(30/2)
16 + 2*15
16 + 30
46

Level 31:
16 + 2*d(31/2)
16 + 2*d(15.5)
16 + 2*15
16 + 30
46

Still not seeing any signs of MP cost being locked.

Just noticed that. I even edited my post too late. ANYWAYS, I just need to find that screenshot of some having a sword adding to a 4th job skill, whatever it is. I think it was the 2H sword, not sure.

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-09, 10:22 AM

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 10:22 AM

I can calculate values beyond a skill's maximum level, yes. I fully plan on including that with the new skill tables I'm working on.

oh this would be awesone, finally a paladin skill that make the class paladin better for party training :D

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 10:28 AM

I remember Pride stating that it's possible to obtain +1~2 to all skills from Potential-ing certain equipment. Does that mean that it's possible to get...

Reverse/Timeless Equipment: +1
Potential: +2
Combat Orders: +2

Total: +5 o.O

Lv35 omg x.x

incAllSkill, yeah, there's that thing. Lvl15 Beholder = 100% Mastery, fun.

Rasetsu

2010-07-09, 10:28 AM

Could this be the reason why they bumped up the cooldown for Snipe? Interesting.

EDIT: Nevermind. Snipe does NOT work with Combat Orders. Snipe's cooldown is high because it's ridiculously strong.

Arroz

2010-07-09, 10:28 AM

I remember Pride stating that it's possible to obtain +1~2 to all skills from Potential-ing certain equipment. Does that mean that it's possible to get...

Reverse/Timeless Equipment: +1
Potential: +2
Combat Orders: +2

Total: +5 o.O

Lv35 omg x.x

Yeah but it's from unique items I believe, that and it's a random skill which I'm assuming would limited to the equips class (although I'd find it to be incredibly stupid to give say a hurricane bonus in a frickin theif glove)

Alloy

2010-07-09, 10:30 AM

Ok, got the image, but FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

http://i31.tinypic.com/2yyte2q.jpg

Can anyone manage to show the MP cost on Brave Slash? Just curious now.

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-09, 10:31 AM

Yeah but it's from unique items I believe, that and it's a random skill which I'm assuming would limited to the equips class (although I'd find it to be incredibly stupid to give say a hurricane bonus in a frickin theif glove)

Pride said it was a bonus to all skills the character has I think...

Fiel

2010-07-09, 10:31 AM

14+u(x/3)

Arroz

2010-07-09, 10:37 AM

Pride said it was a bonus to all skills the character has I think...

my god how fkin high can these bonuses go? Apparently the items that can give these bonuses are top/ bottom/cape/weapon +1~2

If their is no limit and it really does ALL(still highly doubt this) of your skills that would mean with combat orders you can reach up to 10 SP and 11 SP if you have a timeless weapon. Lvl 41 Brave slash anybody?

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 10:47 AM

Combat Order will help lower base damage% skills more since it seems they redesigned the skill formulas to be [constant + skillLevel*2], or at least, the warriors' main attack skills were.

Brave Slash: 150 + lvl*2
Blast: 225 + lvl*2
Crusher: 100 + lvl*2

Yay Drks.

Wait, pineapple, it doesn't work with Crusher?

Ew Drks.

PeePeeAyeDeeKay

2010-07-09, 11:12 AM

Shouldn't you be able to get level 37 skills then? O_O

+2 Combat Orders, on most 4th job skills
+1 Reverse/Timeless Equip, on A skill
+2 Cape, on all skills
+2 Weapon, on all skills

+2 Top, on A skill
+2 Bottom, on A skill

level 10 --> 17
level 20 --> 27
level 30 --> 37

although you can get level 21/31/41 on some skills I guess since tops/bottoms/overalls can give +1~2 on A skill.

What the hell is a shard ? OH. Nvm, ShiKage explained it.
Didn't know what it was in english >.>

Here's something more to the extra stats. As you guys know, you use magnifying glasses to identify an item's potential stats.
Each of these magnifying glasses will reveal 2 or 3 stats. No less, no more.
Now, let's say you got a crappy run, and you decide to use a Miracle cube.
Items that have 2 potential stats will alway have 2, and those with 3 potential stats will always have 3 stats.
Rare/Epic/Unique < these may change, but the number of stats will always stay the same.

Rare items have a maximum % stat potential of 3%.
Therefore, total % of a rare item can have 3% + 3% + 3%.

Epic items have a maximum % stat potential of 6%.
Therefore, total % of an Epic item can have 6% + 6% + 6%.

Unique items have a maximum % stat potential of 9%.
Therefore, total % of a Unique item can have 9% + 9% + 9%.

Levels 1~30: Rare = 1%, Epic = 2%, Unique = 3%
Levels 31~70: Rare = 2%, Epic = 4%, Unique = 6%
Levels 71+: Rare = 3%, Epic = 6%, Unique = 9%

Possible stats for certain items:
Hats - Chance of showing an Emotion when hit, Stats, Stat %, Accuracy, Avoidability, W.DEF, M.DEF %, Chance of recovering HP/MP, Ignore monster's attack/damage.
Face accessory - Stat %, Accuracy, Avoidability, W.DEF, M.DEF %, Recover HP/MP per second, Max HP/MP
Eye accessory - Stat %, Accuracy, Avoidability, W.DEF, M.DEF %, Max HP/MP
Tops/bottoms/overalls - Stat %, Chance of Invincibility when hit, +1 ~2 of a skill, Chance of recovering HP/MP, W.DEF, M.DEF, Avoidablility, Accuracy %, Chance of Autosteal (No idea what this is though), +% of a potion, Reduction of a curse's duration (Seal, slow, etc.), Max HP/MP
Shoes - Stat %, W.DEF, M.DEF, Avoidability, Accuracy %, Chance of avoiding an attack, Max HP/MP
Gloves - Stat %, W.DEF, M.DEF, Avoidability, Accuracy %, Chance of recovering HP/MP when attacking, +% of a potion, Max HP/MP, Chance of Autosteal
Capes - Stat %, W.DEF, M. DEF, Chance of avoiding an attack, Max HP/MP, +1~2 of all skills
Earrings - Stat %, W.DEF, M.DEF, Avoidability, Accuracy %, Max HP/MP
Belts and rings - Stat %, W.DEF, M.DEF, Avoidability, Accuracy %, Max HP/MP
Weapons - Stat %, W.ATT, M.ATT, Total W.ATT %, Total damage %, M.ATT %, Ignore monster's W.DEF/M.DEF at a certain percentage, 20%~30% bonus damage when attacking a boss monster, Chance to recover HP/MP, All skills +1~2, Max HP/MP, Critical damage, Chance to freeze/poison/seal/slow/blind monster

Credits go to 나무그늘사이 of Insoya, and many others who provided proof.

Arroz

2010-07-09, 11:25 AM

my god how fkin high can these bonuses go? Apparently the items that can give these bonuses are top/ bottom/cape/weapon +1~2

If their is no limit and it really does ALL(still highly doubt this) of your skills that would mean with combat orders you can reach up to 10 SP and 11 SP if you have a timeless weapon. Lvl 41 Brave slash anybody?

That's what I'm asking:f3:

blitzkrieg

2010-07-09, 11:39 AM

mamaloki

2010-07-09, 11:43 AM

the most LOL thing why combat order only work for 4th job skiill?????

Anyone can enlighten me?.....

PeePeeAyeDeeKay

2010-07-09, 11:45 AM

Night Lord 숙련된 표창술 - should be Experienced Recognition(??) or whatever that throwing star recharging skill is

Wild Hunter (IV) 야수화 - should be Wild Beast (the +80% HP self buff with a cooldown skill)

66alex66

2010-07-09, 11:45 AM

Having level 21 beholder would make you have higher minimum than your maximim damage....youll either d/c or it wouldnt go past 100% mastery

EDIT: whats the formula for super transform, if it works out then we can be in ST 100% of the time with combat oreders!

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 11:48 AM

Having level 21 beholder would make you have higher minimum than your maximim damage....youll either d/c or it wouldnt go past 100% mastery

Actually level 16 would be enough. Bow/XBow Experts seem not to experience this phenomenon though, Lvl 41 for those two skills should bring Mastery bonuses to 63%/75%, not at all game breaking.

Combattente

2010-07-09, 11:53 AM

Considering that Ultimate Strafe is a passive skill which works with Strafe, we can safely say that Final Attack works with Ultimate Strafe, yeah.

/crying :)

CrazyNomad

2010-07-09, 11:57 AM

the most LOL thing why combat order only work for 4th job skiill?????

Anyone can enlighten me?.....

yeah i don't get it too.... lol

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 11:59 AM

Considering that Ultimate Strafe is a passive skill which works with Strafe, we can safely say that Final Attack works with Ultimate Strafe, yeah.

/crying :)

Considering that Ultimate Strafe is a passive skill

passive skill

Something tells me that Passive skills have a grey square in the background (http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/1200000.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/2100006.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3200000.png, etc) and active skills don't (http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3201002.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3211002.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/4121000.png, etc etc)..
So yeah

http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3220010.png

notsurehowtoreact.jpg

Bribery

2010-07-09, 12:03 PM

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 12:04 PM

Fiel lied to me. :( (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=28128&page=1)

66alex66

2010-07-09, 12:04 PM

Fiel you forgot Strikers, unless Combat Orders doesn't work with them

Magatia

2010-07-09, 12:05 PM

So FA with Ult Strafe shoots a single arrow that does what % dmg? Great that FA improves hurricane more.

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 12:06 PM

So FA with Ult Strafe shoots a single arrow that does what % dmg? Great that FA improves hurricane more.

All FAs do 150% damage.

Magatia

2010-07-09, 12:09 PM

All FAs do 150% damage.

So for bowmen all FA does is shoot an additional arrow of 150% dmg? And as for warriors, does FA improve dmg by 150%, or +150% dmg?

Kalovale

2010-07-09, 12:10 PM

So for bowmen all FA does is shoot an additional arrow of 150% dmg? And as for warriors, does FA improve dmg by 150%, or +150% dmg?

The same thing, it gives an extra hit that has no additional animation/time/delay which deals 150% of your damage range.

rhpot03

2010-07-09, 12:37 PM

lol woohoo 6 orbs heroes

FluffyFoxxie

2010-07-09, 02:00 PM

O_O CO works with Snipe. What does that bring the cooldown to?

TamilTiger1

2010-07-09, 02:09 PM

O_O CO works with Snipe. What does that bring the cooldown to?

It doesn't reduce the cooldown time, which will still be 5 sec, but don't know about the mp cost... when you follow the mp pattern it should be 0 mp lol. Unless it doesn't affect the mp.

This skill would be awesome for resurrection o_O if I did it correctly, it'll be 18min cooldown for resurrection.

Stereo

2010-07-09, 02:23 PM

This would explain why HH got a 20 second nerf (40 seconds at level 30 from 20)

With CO, it'll be 20 seconds again. And if you have another +skill gear, 10 or 0 second cooldown? Would make Zakum's arms a pretty massive beatdown.

rhpot03

2010-07-09, 02:30 PM

Hmm 0 second cooldown on res and hero's will would be interesting...

I have a feeling they're going to cap the maximum skill level to 32 or something

byakugan

2010-07-09, 03:51 PM

I find this whole idea of skills over their cap kinda stupid, but i guess they didn't find other way to make Combat Orders usefull. However, isn't threaten a skill good enough to get Paladins into bossing?, They should have given this skill to another job, maybe the next legend.

Off topic: F'uck you Nexon Korea and your Super Sayan Marskmen.

Cyanne

2010-07-09, 04:05 PM

Something tells me that Passive skills have a grey square in the background (http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/1200000.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/2100006.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3200000.png, etc) and active skills don't (http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3201002.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3211002.png, http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/4121000.png, etc etc)..
So yeah

http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3220010.png

notsurehowtoreact.jpg

There are a few skills that erroneously have the blue background on the icon because they were originally designed to be passive when they were first implemented into kMST then changed to active later on, such as teleport mastery, echo, and from a long time ago, stance.

O_O CO works with Snipe. What does that bring the cooldown to?

The skill formula works so that it doesn't decrease its cooldown any further. It does bring mp cost down to -10 though O_o

mamaloki

2010-07-09, 04:15 PM

oh btw some have post a little bit about paladin. it seem dual charge remain. he also have the combat order icon. but cannot see his skill....

DarkAbyzz54

2010-07-09, 04:19 PM

Wait so...I'm confused on how it works on some cooldowns. Let's say a bishop uses res while combat orders is on. If, hypothetically, the Paladin disconnects and Resurrection returns to lvl 10, would it still take ~18 minutes for Resurrection's cooldown or the usual 30?

CarrionCrow

2010-07-09, 04:21 PM

So in conclusion my HS mule need to have a lvl 8X white knight pal on the ladder?

jhkplaya888

2010-07-09, 04:25 PM

So in conclusion my HS mule need to have a lvl 8X white knight pal on the ladder?

lol, yes

Combattente

2010-07-09, 04:46 PM

This is Ultimate Strafe's icon from Spadow's blog: http://spadow.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/skill-3220010-icon.png?w=32&h=32

And video proof of FA working with Ultimate Strafe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGHAIH6ZelI&

This totally made my day.

Great, great, just great. I'm really happy of how this big bang update turned out to be.

Also, I see they brought back Snipe's cooldown to 5 seconds while decreased the damage to 500k. Well, you know what, I prefer lower damage but being able to use it more often instead, so this is just awesome.

This is really motivating. I can't wait until it comes to GMS.

Dusk

2010-07-09, 05:09 PM

Skill levels > 32 result in some weird numbers. I would have capped the skill levels at 32 if I were Nexon.

Kakashi

2010-07-09, 05:15 PM

Ugh...it should work for crusher too since DrKs don't get a new attack skill like EVERYONE else.

WayOfTime

2010-07-09, 05:22 PM

Skill levels > 32 result in some weird numbers. I would have capped the skill levels at 32 if I were Nexon.

So far, no one has given any indication (proof, I mean) that it IS over 32. We will have to wait for word otherwise, but in the mean time assume it is 32.

And Kakashi, think of it this way: Berzerk gets a nice improvement, adding damage to ALL skills.

Dusk

2010-07-09, 05:28 PM

Ugh...it should work for crusher too since DrKs don't get a new attack skill like EVERYONE else.

It does work for Crusher. It's called Dragon Buster in KMS (says Booster in that table lol). oops I was looking at the Final Attack table. It does work for Dark Force though.

Phoenix

2010-07-09, 08:20 PM

o.o So CO only works on 4th job skills, but is a 3rd job skill?

Hazzy

2010-07-09, 08:23 PM

http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3220010.png

http://happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/3220010.png

3220010

Passive.

~Am I late? D:

Fiel

2010-07-09, 08:30 PM

Here's the dealio on that.

Double Fire (Gunslinger) works the same way. Burst Fire (Outlaw) is a passive skill, but it replaces Double Fire. After you put one point in BF, you can't put DF in your skill quickslot or the quick keyboard. BF replaces it, and you can put BF in your quickslot or keyboard. So yes, it passively replaces DF, but it's also an active skill because you use BF instead of DF.

In short, Ultimate Strafe is a passive skill and an active skill at the same time.

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-09, 09:43 PM

In short, Ultimate Strafe is a passive skill and an active skill at the same time.

Or as I like to call it, a Passive Upgrade. x.x

Technically, Full Swing and Over Swing are Passive Upgrades too. :x

PeePeeAyeDeeKay

2010-07-10, 02:27 AM

There's a problem with Beholder's Buff and Combat Orders I hope gets fixed.

If you use Combat Orders with Beholder's Buff, the time between buffs becomes 0 seconds. Does that mean you get all buffs instantly? I'm not sure. But I hope it doesn't cause a game crash. If you get an item which gives +1 to Beholder's Buff on top of that, the time between buffs would become -2. I cannot fathom how that could be calculated.

It looks like Beholder would cast all 5 Hex buffs at the same time
Translation: level 22 : 0 second interval, 108 seconds lasting each buff, 38 attack, 330 wdef, 330 mdef, 132 accuracy, 132 avoid http://i29.tinypic.com/wgpbi1.jpg

Confirmation Combat Orders can bypass Mastery Books
notice his MW is capped at level 20 mastery but with CO it's level 21
http://i26.tinypic.com/n3nqf6.jpg

Screenshots also confirm Combat Orders can bypass Max Master Level and does not apply on the skill until you have 1+ SP on that skill.

Screenshots from Insoya..

Stereo

2010-07-10, 02:57 AM

That's pretty sweet, still looking for a SS of a char with CO + item levels though (either a cape that adds +1/2 to all skills, or a reverse item)

shagreen heart

2010-07-10, 10:50 AM

it was both smart and an even bigger party perk that CO exceeds max levels 1) so pallys don't get a bunch of free ghost SP and an edge over everyone in terms of SP, & 2) everyone else's skills can GO TO 11 (or 33), so to speak.

edit to add: also it's way smarter for all warriors to get final attack instead of ground smash.

Zacairga

2010-07-10, 12:52 PM

Ugh...it should work for crusher too since DrKs don't get a new attack skill like EVERYONE else.

What new attack skill did Shads get, I wonder?

SexPistols

2010-07-10, 01:12 PM

Wow Pally's are so useful in party now...

lolladine just became omfgwtfbbqladine

Bribery

2010-07-10, 01:17 PM

What new attack skill did Shads get, I wonder?

He means in 4th job before and after Big Bang. Dark Knights don't get any new attacks, just buffs.

KatanaKiwi

2010-07-10, 01:33 PM

i wonder if you can get past the maximum skill level with reverse equips now, like lvl 31 stance with reverse shoes etc.. and what if you add CO? lvl 33? potential scrolls can give up to +2 to all skills aswell right? on multiple equips? lvl 40 brandish anyone?

Blup

2010-07-10, 06:37 PM

Hmm... So for corsairs, Battleship can get extra 5 levels. 6 sec CD reduction every level. level 15 battleship=no cooldown @ break, 30 att bonus. I wonder how this will improve the need for corsairs for damage in bossing parties.

mamaloki

2010-07-10, 08:45 PM

it seem to me that ac'b also got final attack. Is it because of charge blow?

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-10, 08:52 PM

it seem to me that ac'b also got final attack. Is it because of charge blow?

1. Yes. Such upgrades have similar properties to their weaker counterparts.
2. Please use proper English. You are currently not among the MapleSEA community; you are only making a fool out of yourself by using bad English.
3. This forum does not censor CB.

FanaticRat

2010-07-10, 09:13 PM

Dusk

2010-07-10, 09:52 PM

If this is true, Corsairs are even more broken beyond all belief.

How so? The ship's durability has never been an issue while bossing. I forget that the ship can break sometimes, after downing two Paps without it breaking once or Zakking and maybe having it break once. The downside to the ship is your fat hitbox and your lack of mobility. I can't sit in my ship the entire time at any real boss; I need to hop out to dodge stuns and keep myself in position (like when fighting on the right side of the screen and being knocked left).

Anyway, I don't think you can even reach level 15 Battleship.

mamaloki

2010-07-10, 10:11 PM

it is always possible to do that when the potential scroll hit the different version of maple. The problem lie with whether is there a cap on the maximum lvl a skill can reach. So far noone know the maxmium cap is at +2 ot +5 lvl.

Teppi

2010-07-10, 10:18 PM

XTOTHEL

2010-07-10, 10:23 PM

iFrancisco

2010-07-11, 12:21 AM

2. Please use proper English. You are currently not among the MapleSEA community; you are only making a fool out of yourself by using bad English.

He missed one letter at the end of the word "seem" (should have been 'seems') and outside of that the grammar was acceptable (albeit, oddly worded). Do you really want to rail on him for such a little mistake, especially when some native English speakers do infinitely worse than that?

On topic, I am really interested in seeing the skill tables for past the natural max levels given some of the things that have been pointed out here (-mp, zero cooldown, etc.). The extra boosts on MW are probably very helpful too.

Arroz

2010-07-11, 12:32 AM

1. Yes. Such upgrades have similar properties to their weaker counterparts.
2. Please use proper English. You are currently not among the MapleSEA community; you are only making a fool out of yourself by using bad English.
3. This forum does not censor CB.

1. please be more respectful to your peers and deal with this through PM's. You are currently among the SP community; a diverse and mostly tolerant group that can handle the short comings of someone who's ESL...

Gah that reminded me of the JMS community I got stuck with

Hazzy

2010-07-11, 01:03 AM

is anybody noticing this for bishop?
http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/skills/2321006.png리저렉션
10 MP -200 소비, 재사용 대기시간 0분
0 minute cooldown.......spammable ressssss

That could be fun to abuse. :P

1. Yes. Such upgrades have similar properties to their weaker counterparts.
2. Please use proper English. You are currently not among the MapleSEA community; you are only making a fool out of yourself by using bad English.
3. This forum does not censor CB.

1) ~
2) Wouldn't it be "poor English"?
3) Why would a forum censor CB? o-o Is it some Chinese swear word or something?

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-11, 01:44 AM

That could be fun to abuse. :P

1) ~
2) Wouldn't it be "poor English"?
3) Why would a forum censor CB? o-o Is it some Chinese swear word or something?

It's a Hokkien swear word. It's censored in MapleSEA, along with many other random Malay words (common, everyday words. I don't know why they're censored).
__________________

I apologise for my little outburst. I just couldn't tolerate it any longer. =.=

I guess I'm a little too picky about the usage of the English language.

Dusk

2010-07-11, 05:58 AM

He missed one letter at the end of the word "seem" (should have been 'seems') and outside of that the grammar was acceptable (albeit, oddly worded). Do you really want to rail on him for such a little mistake, especially when some native English speakers do infinitely worse than that?

On topic, I am really interested in seeing the skill tables for past the natural max levels given some of the things that have been pointed out here (-mp, zero cooldown, etc.). The extra boosts on MW are probably very helpful too.

Unfrotunately, MW only increases base stats, which make up less than half of the total stats of a well-funded character now. MW32 will probably only increase damage by 6-7%.

mamaloki

2010-07-11, 08:05 AM

with combat order, alot of skills has zero cooldown. so this determine the cooldown implemented esp for mage ultimate!

Dusk

2010-07-11, 08:07 AM

with combat order, alot of skills has zero cooldown. so this determine the cooldown implemented esp for mage ultimate!

What?

Mage ultimates have a 28 sec cooldown even with Combat Orders.

Fiel

2010-07-11, 08:33 AM

Man, people are interpreting the extra five levels WAY wrong. Looks like I need to change it to 2 levels.

iFrancisco

2010-07-11, 08:40 AM

Unfrotunately, MW only increases base stats, which make up less than half of the total stats of a well-funded character now. MW32 will probably only increase damage by 6-7%.

Dohh, you are completely right. I guess with that and % gear, MW isn't as meaningful as it is currently =/

mamaloki

2010-07-11, 10:10 AM

What?

Mage ultimates have a 28 sec cooldown even with Combat Orders.

oops saaw wrongly. Yes the cd is still 28 sec. But I think the main reason could be encouraging the BS/AM to use other skill combination rather than spamming alone....

Kalovale

2010-07-11, 11:31 AM

Lol, the extra 5 levels are purely for reference purposes, I wouldn't be surprised if Nexon capped the levels at 32, to be honest. Not everyone should have Combat Order, and not everyone should have Gear skillups.

Dual

2010-07-11, 12:14 PM

I actually kinda like the idea of lowering the cooldown on res through Combat Orders. Considering Bishops can heal AND Paladins seem to never die, this looks like the ultimate party support here.

LegendGospel

2010-07-11, 08:00 PM

Paladins = ultimate boosting party skill
Bishops = ultimate supportive party skills

MetaSeraphim

2010-07-11, 08:12 PM

Dark Knights = ultimate boosting party skill
Bishops = ultimate supportive party skills

Fixed bro. Hyper Body > Combat Orders + Threaten.

Dusk

2010-07-11, 08:46 PM

Fixed bro. Hyper Body > Combat Orders + Threaten.

You don't even need HB to survive most bosses after BB. Combat Orders boosts damage, defenses, reduces cooldowns, everything. Both are good buffs with completely different uses, though.

Stereo

2010-07-11, 11:03 PM

Unfrotunately, MW only increases base stats, which make up less than half of the total stats of a well-funded character now. MW32 will probably only increase damage by 6-7%.

I'm not sure what you mean by this...

MW32 (instead of MW30) is only a 1% increase, which translates to more like 0.7% irl boost.

And taken overall, 16% MW is still about a 13% boost to overall damage.

Jellyflower

2010-07-11, 11:20 PM

I'm interested in knowing if speed infusion/wind booster @ level 21 will mean a -3 weapon speed or not. If so, I might want a higher level polearm for my aran.

Fiel

2010-07-12, 12:02 AM

Wind Booster is -2 speed at all levels
Aran PA Booster will go from -3 to -4 at level 21

Link

2010-07-12, 12:39 AM

Wind Booster is -2 speed at all levels

So... Level 1 and 11 don't differ in weapon speed anymore? That means no more than level 1 Wind Booster is required at all. Though, ~200 second Wind Booster would go nicely with max regular booster.

shouri

2010-07-12, 12:47 AM

Wind Booster is -2 speed at all levels
Aran PA Booster will go from -3 to -4 at level 21

Wind Booster is -2 speed at all levels
Aran PA Booster will go from -3 to -4 at level 21

Way to double post there oh fearless chinchilla one... :f3:

related:

Hells yeah, using a reverse PA won't be so bad then. (of course I'm aware I wont always have combat orders, but maybe if i get a boost of +1~2 to all skills from potential identification then this will be quite nice ^^)

have we confirmed that the potential boost ALSO breaks the cap?
We definitely have confirmation on CO and from reverse gear so we'd assume this would break the limit too, but we wouldn't want to make any bad assumptions (which I sort of did in my first paragraph :f3:)

Fiel

2010-07-12, 12:51 AM

Ever since a few days ago, I've been lagging like hell. Nothing I can do to stop double-posting.

schfiftygun

2010-07-12, 12:16 PM

Was there any mention of any damage caps being raised? i know that the Marksman Vid earlier was showing 500K snipe which i was told to be the same as before, but if im not mistaken were normal non uber hax hit limited to 200K? i see that this may not be as much of an issue but with the dawn of these %age equips and what Battle Orders seems to be able to do for out %ages, it may come into effect, (i recall a Hero with range near 20K (shown in stat window) and if were popping an extra 2-5 levels onto Adv combo that could result in a crazy Panic driven damage cap hitting attack or even assassinate damageness or Airstrike... there seems to be a number of attacks that could be affected by this and was just wondering if there is any way to see if anything of the sort was changed?

CarrionCrow

2010-07-12, 12:26 PM

Dusk

2010-07-12, 04:30 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by this...

MW32 (instead of MW30) is only a 1% increase, which translates to more like 0.7% irl boost.

And taken overall, 16% MW is still about a 13% boost to overall damage.

16% MW is about a 6-7% increase in overall damage for a well funded character...unless +% gear is applied after MW? I guess that makes sense.

IllegallySane

2010-07-12, 05:17 PM

Wind Booster is -2 speed at all levels

The hell?????

Wind Booster is so useless now to level beyond level 1. Looks like 10 SP that I can safely distribute somewhere else.

Takebacker

2010-07-12, 05:19 PM

Cool, now i won't have to give up my 9 MW and 1 snatch just to put points into counter attack.

Matryoshka

2010-07-15, 05:23 PM

Does it work with Shadow partner?

Fiel

2010-07-15, 05:28 PM

Does it work with Shadow partner?

What is "it"?

Locked

2010-07-15, 05:46 PM

What is "it"?

Most likely combat orders.

Hanabira.Kage

2010-07-16, 06:46 AM

Does it work with Shadow partner?

If you're talking about Combat Orders, no. All skills in the game that work with Combat Orders are in the first spoiler on the first page. If it's not there, it doesn't work with Combat Orders.

SolicShooter

2010-07-16, 07:25 AM

Stereo

2010-07-16, 09:04 AM

16% MW is about a 6-7% increase in overall damage for a well funded character...unless +% gear is applied after MW? I guess that makes sense.

Yeah, application order is

(base*mw%+stat)*stat% = total stat.

It'll end up a little less than the percent it lists cause it doesn't affect your +stats but it's not a huge amount.

Matryoshka

2010-07-18, 08:10 AM

If you're talking about Combat Orders, no. All skills in the game that work with Combat Orders are in the first spoiler on the first page. If it's not there, it doesn't work with Combat Orders.
Correct me if i am wrong. Isn't combat orders a 3rd job skill. Why would a 3rd job skill not work with 3rd job skills?

Arrg

2010-07-20, 10:48 AM

Okay peaches, here's how combat orders works:
It raises 1st-3rd job skills, and 4th job skills, but 4th job skills are the only ones that get raised past max.
It does not add SP into skills you do not have.
If you ask me for proof you can go suck a dick, because I have no reason to lie about this.
We just tested it with a WK an hour ago.

Kalovale

2010-07-20, 12:00 PM