FA works with Hurricane!?!

[kruimel0]

Isn't this image pretty much proof that FA works with hurricane?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7369/hurricanef.jpg

Have fun speculating =D

[Fiel]

Data says FA works with Hurricane.

[kruimel0]

Data says FA works with Hurricane.

Awesome. That brings BMs more or less on par with Corsairs at the top of the DPS charts <3

Do you have any idea if the bonusses of Corsair's ship or Bucc's Superxform stack with things like onyx apple/warrior pots?

[Fiel]

Awesome. That brings BMs more or less on par with Corsairs at the top of the DPS charts <3

Do you have any idea if the bonusses of Corsair's ship or Bucc's Superxform stack with things like onyx apple/warrior pots?

Nope. No idea.

[kruimel0]

Nope. No idea.

Okie....

Would be interesting if corsairs/buccs have to choose between their 'secondary attack' with onyx or their 'primary attack' without onyx...

[Owlett]

Omg this is the most exciting thins ever! it doesn't look like the shooting of FA interrupts the shooting of hurricane like it does for Arrow Bomb. Does anyone know if FA was buffed or adjusted in any way from it's original damage?

[Alloy]

Ok, all those raging bowmasters can finally shut up now, I guess. For the non raging ones, congratulations!

[MorbidMagus]

Ok, all those raging bowmasters can finally shut up now, I guess. For the non raging ones, congratulations!

Unless FA works with Ultimate Strafe, even if this is not the case you have to remember that Marksmen still hit stronger damage per Arrow and faster, along with 999k snipe every 10 seconds, and come with better mobbing skills and mob control.

[Alloy]

Unless FA works with Ultimate Strafe, even if this is not the case you have to remember that Marksmen still hit stronger damage per Arrow and faster, along with 999k snipe every 10 seconds, and come with better mobbing skills and mob control.

Hurricane now shoots arrows x2 faster. Remember?

[MorbidMagus]

*Does not remember that*

If thats the case I can't see Bowmasters being as shafted as everyone is saying they are x_X

Edit: but I have seen nothing that confirms such a claim.

[WingZero]

BMs can stop crying now.

I wonder how bad this will lag the player....

[Combattente]

.. and we start crying again.

GG Nexon, GG. When I think you are doing something right, you always prove me wrong.

[byakugan]

Ok, all those raging bowmasters can finally shut up now, I guess. For the non raging ones, congratulations!

BM are now stronger single target attackers again nuless ultra strafe works with Final attack too :f3:. No one was ever raging about damage, if Marksmen can now be pretty strong single target attackers and amazing mobbers, why couldn't they give bowmasters a similar ability?. Even Night Lord's got Avenger buffed to a great mobbing skill from the crap it was before. hadn't they done that, you'd be complaining too.

[Combattente]

BM are now stronger single target attackers again nuless ultra strafe works with Final attack too :f3:. No one was ever raging about damage, if Marksmen can now be pretty strong single target attackers and amazing mobbers, why couldn't they give bowmasters a similar ability?. Even Night Lord's got Avenger buffed to a great mobbing skill from the crap it was before. hadn't they done that, you'd be complaining too.

Maybe because Hurricane is already a powerful enough attack, and by doing that they just broke it, making Marksmen be less powerful than BMs AGAIN?

[MorbidMagus]

Maybe because Hurricane is already a powerful enough attack, and by doing that they just broke it, making Marksmen be less powerful than BMs AGAIN?

I don't see how its fair that Marksmen should have better 1v1, Surviability, Mobbing DPS, and Mob control than Bowmasters, they should have SOMETHING, Shouldn't they?

I mean they're barely better in 2nd Job, ownt by Snipers in 3rd, and beaten in everything by a Marksman in 4th, what the hell is the point of making a bowmaster with all of that?

[Hazzy]

Hurricane now shoots arrows x2 faster. Remember?

Other than Rapid Fire having a short delay, what proof do we have of this? I think it was Dusk who said that frame having a short delay was inconclusive.

[Alloy]

BM are now stronger single target attackers again nuless ultra strafe works with Final attack too :f3:. No one was ever raging about damage, if Marksmen can now be pretty strong single target attackers and amazing mobbers, why couldn't they give bowmasters a similar ability?. Even Night Lord's got Avenger buffed to a great mobbing skill from the crap it was before. hadn't they done that, you'd be complaining too.

Oh, no. You see? We sucked at both training and soloing before, UNLESS we had sharp eyes. Now, we are average at 1 VS 1 and good at training. It's balanced, I believe. If now you are GODLY at 1 VS 1, you'd have something to compensate... Training on a single target at a time can be efficient if you bring each fast enough.

[WingZero]

.. and we start crying again.

GG Nexon, GG. When I think you are doing something right, you always prove me wrong.

You can't be seious right? MMs were better at everything and now that BMs are better at 1v1, you start crying? Unbelievable...

Personally, I thought that MMs were fine the way they were. A few minor tweaks here and there, but I didn't see a need for Ultimate Strafe.

[Lozmaster]

Maybe because Hurricane is already a powerful enough attack, and by doing that they just broke it, making Marksmen be less powerful than BMs AGAIN?

lolno. It is in no way fair for bowmasters to have weaker 1v1 attacks, lack several of the defensive skills(i.e. frezzing) marksmen have AND weaker 1v1 mobbing attacks. Which was the case of hurricane vs ultimate strafe prior to FA being activated by hurricane.

[MorbidMagus]

Ima lol really hard if UltStrafe works with FA.

It would still be hard for bowmasters to beat MM, Snipe and the fact that xbows have a higher range and are cheaper, lol. Snipe also goes through PDrate iirc. Even with the FA update, I doubt BM's would do much better in actual situations.

[falconkiller]

Ima lol really hard if UltStrafe works with FA.

It would still be hard for bowmasters to beat MM, Snipe and the fact that xbows have a higher range and are cheaper, lol. Snipe also goes through PDrate iirc. Even with the FA update, I doubt BM's would do much better in actual situations.

ultimate strafe is only 83 or 88 attacks per min (i forget which) which means FA will activate on average 33 or 35 times
whereas hurricane is 500 attacks per min which means 200 FA on average per min, thats a BIG gap for MM to fill even with pierce & snipe 1v1

[Hazzy]

ultimate strafe is only 83 or 88 attacks per min (i forget which) which means FA will activate on average 33 or 35 times
whereas hurricane is 500 attacks per min which means 200 FA on average per min, thats a BIG gap for MM to fill even with pierce & snipe 1v1

200 * 150 = 30,000&#37; extra damage
35 * 150 + Snipe(?) = 5,300% extra damage + 3 million

I don't know how practical that is to cover.

My math says you'd need at least a 19k damage range to be even. Assuming both classes have almost the same range, and all else is equal.

[Sn1perJohnE]

And people called me a fucking idiot for having high FA :f3: though with the SP reset scroll, it doesnt matter <_<


As for Pirates battle ship/super transform attack buffs, it may work like energy charge, and automatically apply the highest attack without canceling the lower attack. Hopefully that is the case.

[falconkiller]

200 * 150 = 30,000&#37; extra damage
35 * 150 + Snipe(?) = 5,300% extra damage + 3 million

I don't know how practical that is to cover.

well we can assume hurricane without crit is 130,000%
US without crit is 88*6 * 170% + 5,300% = 95,060%

im really hoping thats enough to give BM the only advantage back that they had on MM

[Random_Overlord]

And people called me a fucking idiot for having high FA :f3: though with the SP reset scroll, it doesnt matter <_<


As for Pirates battle ship/super transform attack buffs, it may work like energy charge, and automatically apply the highest attack without canceling the lower attack. Hopefully that is the case.

:f6: ..........
YOUR SUPPOSED TO SAY PINEAPPLE!!! :f5:

[MorbidMagus]

Ultimate Strafe has higher mastery, damage, and critical damage.

Besides, a 19k range to compete with the Snipe damage? Thats not even counting the fact that the Xbow will be stronger and cheaper, and Snipe goes through PDrate which reduces damage by 25&#37; in bossing situations...

Bowmasters got ownt pretty hard here, even with the FA update. Even if Bowmasters are higher up than Marksmen, it won't be by much, and hardly compensates for the massive advantages Marksmen now have over Bowmasters.

[Hazzy]

Besides, a 19k range to compete with the Snipe damage? Thats not even counting the fact that the Xbow will be stronger and cheaper, and Snipe goes through PDrate which reduces damage by 25&#37; in bossing situations...

Or Crits. :S It's a half decent guesstimate.

[falconkiller]

Ultimate Strafe has higher mastery, damage, and critical damage.

Besides, a 19k range to compete with the Snipe damage? Thats not even counting the fact that the Xbow will be stronger and cheaper, and Snipe goes through PDrate which reduces damage by 25&#37; in bossing situations...

Bowmasters got ownt pretty hard here, even with the FA update. Even if Bowmasters are higher up than Marksmen, it won't be by much, and hardly compensates for the massive advantages Marksmen now have over Bowmasters.

im trying really hard to reassure myself that all 2 years i spent on my BM wasn't useless, your posts are really bringing me down T.T

[Worthyness]

DOes FA have an attack animation like the one we have now? or is it just a magic arrow that flies in with the other arrows? Cause i think that's a real key poiint in whether one should get FA. FA clearly doesn't look the same as the warrior FA, which is only another number without an animation. If the animation is just a flying arrow, then i don't think we should have too much of a worry about the arrows interupting our other skills.

I hope that it's just an extra arrow with no FA animation. That would suck balls.

Only reason i bring this up is the fact that hurricane could be firing fast enough that the animation is moot. But with other skills it could seriously interrupt training ala the one we have now.

[Sn1perJohnE]

:f6: ..........
YOUR SUPPOSED TO SAY PINEAPPLE!!! :f5:

Ill say it how I want, bitch :c|

[WayOfTime]

DOes FA have an attack animation like the one we have now? or is it just a magic arrow that flies in with the other arrows? Cause i think that's a real key poiint in whether one should get FA. FA clearly doesn't look the same as the warrior FA, which is only another number without an animation. If the animation is just a flying arrow, then i don't think we should have too much of a worry about the arrows interupting our other skills.

I hope that it's just an extra arrow with no FA animation. That would suck balls.

Only reason i bring this up is the fact that hurricane could be firing fast enough that the animation is moot. But with other skills it could seriously interrupt training ala the one we have now.

Rest assured: They appear to be flying magical arrows coming out of thin air: the distance in bewteen the arrows are constant, so there does not seem to be any extra animation.

[byakugan]

You guys keep talking about Single target damage as if it had ever been an issue. MOBBING, GENTLEMEN. Bowmen can't mob.
We are stuck to using arrow bomb still, while Piercing arrow got a huge buff. Vengeance doesnt make up for it since you need to get hit for it to work. I'm not saying nerf Marksmen ( although they deserve it) but they should have given Bowmasters a new mob skill.

[Rasetsu]

.. and we start crying again.

GG Nexon, GG. When I think you are doing something right, you always prove me wrong.

I use a Marksman, but I disagree with QQing over the BM improvements.

On-topic, congrats to Bowmasters with this update. I want to know which Marksman skill gets affected by Final Attack though.

[WayOfTime]

Now, I assume that FA does a static 150&#37; (+ crits where applicable), and not a x1.5 of the skill, correct?

[Dusk]

Now, I assume that FA does a static 150&#37; (+ crits where applicable), and not a x1.5 of the skill, correct?

That's correct. FA working with Hurricane improves overall BM DPS by about 30&#37;. No idea where that puts them, but certainly a lot higher than previously expected.

[Daimean]

._. when I saw this thread I was expecting to see a video of a bm doing hurricane then suddenly stopping to do the final attack pose (which I love lol) then going back to huricaning.

[chrome]

._. when I saw this thread I was expecting to see a video of a bm doing hurricane then suddenly stopping to do the final attack pose (which I love lol) then going back to huricaning.
Me too. XD

@Combattente: Why are you complaining? It always stood that BMs were better at single target than MMs, and MMs were better mobbers. Why should MMs be better at both?

[fodjgngf]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Vengeance is more or less useless, and will get maxed somewhere end of the road.

[ChaosCorpse]

I'm perfectly fine with BM 1 v 1 being higher that MM, and have never really had a problem with that. I'm glad that at least some of the people who thought the updates were unfair believe this to aid in their cause. Personally I still never really expected the boost that MM got with ultistrafe, and I suppose I'm fine with it, but I'm fine without it too.

One thing I might note is that people basing their damage ranges of MM with snipe based on theoretical max are really overestimating how well it works out in reality. The discrepancy between the server and client that has always been there is still there as far as I know, so the time we get to use it will never be exact. Also, for the mob control (Note: NOT mob killing), the phoenix update to stun is far more useful than people let on as stun does not have the elemental properties that freeze does. Yes, the timer sucks on it and yes, you won't be able to stun enemies that would OKO you safely, but I imagine it will have a great benefit while mowing down the enemies.

Again, I don't wish to see either side nerfed, or my own class buffed, but I don't see why everyone takes the extreme end of things saying either one or the other is screwed by the other's existence. We are all bowman, we used to have united pride as we faced wave after wave of NEXON glitches.

[WayOfTime]

I completely agree; why can't we all be happy for eachother with these new updates? Like before, both classes have different strengths and weaknesses. We really need to focus on eachother's strengths than our own weakness.