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Thank you all for the typically warm reception in Fiel's announcement.
My administrative style will be different from Paul's, yes there will be changes to the site, eventually, yes Paul is staying on and will continue extracting, yes I will be replacing myself with another moderation chief, eventually.
What other questions do you have?
Marston
2010-07-05, 01:41 PM
Do you disagree with any parts of the R&R currently? What changes do you have in mind?
There's no reason to taunt us with the whole "YOU'LL SEE... EVENTUALLY" garbage; why not just tell us what you have in mind? Even if you haven't fully decided on what you want to add or remove from Southperry, you could at least give us a general idea of what to expect in the next couple of months.
XTOTHEL
2010-07-05, 01:59 PM
I spy colour change lol...
but I suspect server change too...
maybe new forum skin...
...Eos' own little "server xfer, name change" page n fun little apps. Ya know.
I can't tell you exactly what to expect because there's things that haven't been decided and there's a whole slew of feasibility tests that need to be run on most of the ideas I have, and some pieces are still tied up until transition completes 100% at the end of the month.
I have to see for myself how the site can handle certain things, how self sustaining it is, and build out the appropriate compensation plan & contract for Fiel's services, so that will occupy at least the first 30 to 60 days before I can truly get to experimenting with the rest of things.
There's a hefty learning-what-everything-can-do-and-tweaking-it period, that's why everything goes in the 'eventually' pile.
For the more obvious changes - Fiel & my ranks have changed, including colors, some people have been unbanned, some infractions have been reversed, some minor changes have been made to the CSS trying to fix bugs and I've been working on addressing some of the quirks Fiel left me in his transition caveats list.
The R&R is going to be cleaned up a bit more, specifically in regards to the porn rule, which seems to confuse people since it's more about indecency/obscenity than outright porn. There may be other tweaks, but that's the one I'm aware of being on the to do list just now.
shouri
2010-07-05, 02:18 PM
Can we ask for the reasons for the overturned bans and reversed infractions? Perhaps decisions made by Paul that you didn't agree with?
xBTAx
2010-07-05, 02:18 PM
I can't tell you exactly what to expect because there's things that haven't been decided and there's a whole slew of feasibility tests that need to be run on most of the ideas I have, and some pieces are still tied up until transition completes 100% at the end of the month.
I have to see for myself how the site can handle certain things, how self sustaining it is, and build out the appropriate compensation plan & contract for Fiel's services, so that will occupy at least the first 30 to 60 days before I can truly get to experimenting with the rest of things.
There's a hefty learning-what-everything-can-do-and-tweaking-it period, that's why everything goes in the 'eventually' pile.
For the more obvious changes - Fiel & my ranks have changed, including colors, some people have been unbanned, some infractions have been reversed, some minor changes have been made to the CSS trying to fix bugs and I've been working on addressing some of the quirks Fiel left me in his transition caveats list.
The R&R is going to be cleaned up a bit more, specifically in regards to the porn rule, which seems to confuse people since it's more about indecency/obscenity than outright porn. There may be other tweaks, but that's the one I'm aware of being on the to do list just now.
Mainly in response to that post:
1. Is Fiel being paid now, or something?
2. Why are people being unbanned? Is it due to specific changes in the R&R? Who has been unbanned?
3. Can you clarify how the "porn" rule will be changed?
ImagineAll
2010-07-05, 02:26 PM
Mainly in response to that post:
1. Is Fiel being paid now, or something?
2. Why are people being unbanned? Is it due to specific changes in the R&R? Who has been unbanned?
3. Can you clarify how the "porn" rule will be changed?There are only two people currently left on the BoS list if I recall correctly. So I'm guessing derp boy (I have no clue how to spell his godawful forum ID). Unless of course he's referring to temporary bans, in which case I wouldn't have the slightest clue as to who those would be. Fiel, to the best of my understanding, has always had a little chunk of money that he pockets every month or so after all of the sites expenses have been paid (this could very well be wrong). It's understandable considering the amount of effort he puts into everything.
Combattente
2010-07-05, 02:54 PM
some people have been unbanned
I've just noticed.
Thank you really much. :)
Can we ask for the reasons for the overturned bans and reversed infractions? Perhaps decisions made by Paul that you didn't agree with?
I reversed infractions in this thread for the stated reason. People are allowed to be shocked and express opinions, although they should remember to do so respectfully.
For a similar reason I removed a ban and am evaluating others.
1. Is Fiel being paid now, or something?
3. Can you clarify how the "porn" rule will be changed?
1) Fiel's always been paid for his services previously, I wouldn't expect him to continue here without some similar compensation, the exact details of which will remain private unless he chooses otherwise.
2) Already answered
3) Clarification and renaming most likely. Specifics will be forthcoming, since both the users and mods are having issues finding the line still.
shroum
2010-07-05, 03:47 PM
I'm assuming your online times will be different then Fiels. Could you estimate around what times can we look for you to be online?
I don't have a set schedule. I'm online fairly often but to what degree of attention where is unpredictable.
Moonlapse
2010-07-05, 04:23 PM
Will it be possible to donate through Amazon in the future? I am having problems with paypal.
What can we expect from you? As in this: Paul's been known for caring a lot about his userbase, for putting a lot of effort in making this the most enjoyable MS forum around, for trying to come up with fair policies for everyone and for being like the cool uncle we always want to have.
That's my question.
Will it be possible to donate through Amazon in the future? I am having problems with paypal.
I'm not certain but I'll add it to the list of things to look into, along with Google Checkout.
Rob - I can't really answer that question the way you're looking for, it's really based on perception and a bit too broad. My hands have been all over the existing policies and their interpretation for long enough now that I'd have to imagine the reality won't change much, but whether or not people look at it differently because it's me rather than Paul is another matter.
Rob - I can't really answer that question the way you're looking for, it's really based on perception and a bit too broad. My hands have been all over the existing policies and their interpretation for long enough now that I'd have to imagine the reality won't change much, but whether or not people look at it differently because it's me rather than Paul is another matter.
At least, will you try to approach the userbase in a more friendly way, even if it's not your best attribute? That's the main reason people view you as kinda ''tyrannic'' (due to lack of a better term).
At least, will you try to approach the userbase in a more friendly way, even if it's not your best attribute? That's the main reason people view you as kinda ''tyrannic'' (due to lack of a better term).
I will continue making every effort to deal with all users fairly and politely, but it's always been my policy that administration should be fairly transparent.
Our job is to ensure the system works and continues to evolve and provide a place for the community, and to help keep that community within a desired framework.
Ideally the more consistently the site and the users behave appropriately, the less you should see of us as staff.
Fair enough. Taking your word.
See ya around~
Rayquaza2233
2010-07-05, 05:13 PM
Why'd you change your user colour to lavender (or um, whatever it is)?
holyforest
2010-07-05, 05:14 PM
Why'd you change your user colour to lavender (or um, whatever it is)?
It looks like Periwinkle to me...
It's slate blue and I prefer it. Also left me give Indigo to the extractors so Fiel could stay the same color he's always been.
holyforest
2010-07-05, 05:19 PM
Will you participate in community mischief in the Funhouse like Paul did or will you just be an enforcer of rules?
On a not so serious note, will you build the Orbital Bee Cannon Vuvuzela for us?
Unlikely. I have no particular interest or attachment to the funhouse.
It exists for the people who do enjoy it. When I get in a silly mood I may use it, but for the most part I will probably not.
Cross posting this here so it doesn't get lost/buried.
can we haz custom skinz again please?
It's on the to do list, the old ones are still installed just very very messed up so it's a lot to go through them all and put them together again, or create derivatives.
I'm also still working on some fixes to this one before I try making anything new.
butterfλi
2010-07-05, 09:15 PM
Will this pineappleing piece of pomegranate papayagotry of a bitching swear filter be finally lifted?
Will this pineappleing piece of pomegranate papayagotry of a bitching swear filter be finally lifted?
No, but I'm considering a few additions.
Alloy
2010-07-05, 09:41 PM
No, but I'm considering a few additions.
Please do it. But what about emotes?
And lastly, come on, Funhouse moderation shenanigans HAVE to be fun. Look at transformice, and get the idea.
holyforest
2010-07-05, 09:42 PM
No, but I'm considering a few additions.
This just made my day.....
Shidoshi
2010-07-05, 09:55 PM
No, but I'm considering a few additions.
Please: http://i47.tinypic.com/2pq5egk.png
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-05, 10:19 PM
since now youre the head admin, back to my question on the donor forum:
donor shops on that to-do list right? care to share some ideas you've got/seen from others you'd consider?
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-05, 10:21 PM
Please: http://i47.tinypic.com/2pq5egk.png
a-@ wouldnt that create some kind of paradox where everytime is becomes it, it needs to be changed to is again, and so on and so forth?
But what about emotes?
I'm open to a few more emotes, only one of which know for sure I'll be adding for my own selfish reasons.
donor shops on that to-do list right? care to share some ideas you've got/seen from others you'd consider?
Won't be able to pursue that for at least 60 days, haven't even begun the idea gathering on it.
Muwhahahaha.
First major change made and the funhouse will never be the same. Can anyone even find it? :f3:
Well, I can see the "Lab Notes" emoticons and they're all broken, but that can't be it. I also see all of the traditional smilies, though I'm not sure if that was intended.
Nope not it. Thought those were always there?
No, that's definitely always been there.
It's most visible in the threads like Fiel's Plaque.
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-06, 09:14 AM
no more page stretching images?
Alloy
2010-07-06, 09:15 AM
no more page stretching images?
Dammit, ninja'd.
Awesome. Does it work in blogs?
And no, the Lab Notes shouldn't have always been there.
madanthony
2010-07-06, 09:31 AM
That's hot.
CrazyNomad
2010-07-06, 09:38 AM
add a thanks button to the posts, it could show how helpfull is the user to the community, as long as the thanks button isnt abused.
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-06, 09:41 AM
add a thanks button to the posts, it could show how helpfull is the user to the community, as long as the thanks button isnt abused.
why it'll be denied, amongst other reasons.
no more page stretching images?
You win the chinchilla of the day.
Awesome. Does it work in blogs?
And no, the Lab Notes shouldn't have always been there.
I believe so. They both use the postbit content CSS definitions.
Where are you seeing the Lab Notes?
Never mind, the extractors group defaulted to having it, so only you would've seen it, no wonder I was lost.
The site is screaming fast now. What else did you change?
I've been adjusting services and tinkering with this and that in the css.
I think disabling the stuff that didn't exist but was trying to load on your profile probably made your biggest boost.
FrozNlite
2010-07-06, 11:55 AM
Can we have a header tag and a rainbow font tag :glitter:?
Maybe.
Define header tag?
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-06, 01:19 PM
your text here
yes?
http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Guide-Fighter-Crusader-Hero-196.html
See --> ====Fighter====
your text here
yes?
The question wasn't how to use it, but what you want it to do.
There are five levels of headers in stock HTML, and none of them are quite what Fiel just posted an example, so what's a header to you?
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-06, 01:32 PM
The question wasn't how to use it, but what you want it to do.
There are five levels of headers in stock HTML, and none of them are quite what Fiel just posted an example, so what's a header to you?
cant speak for froz, but i view headers as a way to draw attention to a certain aspect of your post due to its importance, or dividing up a multiple layered topic/blog. plus it just adds an air of je ne sais quoi to guides.
Sounds like the description of a banner, or a horizontal rule, respectively.
the reason why it's called a [header] is because that's what basil BBCode calls it, not because it has any reference to HTML.
madanthony
2010-07-06, 02:55 PM
Sounds like something for people who can't be bothered to bold and/or underline and/or change the font size of something.
the reason why it's called a [header] is because that's what basil BBCode calls it, not because it has any reference to HTML.
I figured as much, that's why I was looking for a functional description.
I assume the key reason we've never had similar was over-usability and desire to avoid a thousand little one-off formatting tags?
FrozNlite
2010-07-06, 03:33 PM
cant speak for froz, but i view headers as a way to draw attention to a certain aspect of your post due to its importance, or dividing up a multiple layered topic/blog. plus it just adds an air of je ne sais quoi to guides.
Tobias said it perfectly.
I figured as much, that's why I was looking for a functional description.
I assume the key reason we've never had similar was over-usability and desire to avoid a thousand little one-off formatting tags?
Of all the formatting tags out there we all know and love on various sites, that's honestly the only one we don't have here on SP that would be nice. It's not like we CAN'T use colors, bold, underline, etc., like mentioned above, but a nice block of color helps keep long posts organized. Just a suggestion, in the end.
But the rainbow font tag? God that would be hot :blush:
Nikkey
2010-07-06, 03:49 PM
But the rainbow font tag? God that would be hot :blush:
Honestly, it will just be annoying and people will complain about you using it in the end. I see no real value in making one.
^
Example of why I don't want it.
IllegallySane
2010-07-06, 03:53 PM
Honestly, it will just be annoying and people will complain about you using it in the end. I see no real value in making one.
^
Example of why I don't want it.
*Never mind I failed epically.*
MetaSeraphim
2010-07-06, 04:39 PM
I'm open to a few more emotes, only one of which know for sure I'll be adding for my own selfish reasons.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll289/MetaSeraphim/Random/Monocle.png This one, right?
But the rainbow font tag? God that would be hot :blush:
Why add something pointless like that to the forum when you can use a pointless site instead?
Also, why is the year shown first now? Year shown last > year shown first.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll289/MetaSeraphim/Random/Monocle.png This one, right?
That one is being considered, yes.
Also, why is the year shown first now? Year shown last > year shown first.
Ascending order of significance.
holyforest
2010-07-06, 05:08 PM
For new censors, I endorse Passion Fruit:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=11251
For new censors, I endorse Passion Fruit:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=11251
I still say Passion Fruit would be the perfect censor if you ever censor pussy.
Haha, good times mang.
xBTAx
2010-07-06, 06:29 PM
I remember once having the discussion (probably on IRC) that Passion Fruit should replace cum/semen.
Unfortunately, we don't say that enough.
Fumni
2010-07-06, 09:28 PM
Good luck with the new endeavor, Eos. Although I'm not on here often enough to ask any real important questions relevant to the site, I do want to leave a suggestion: don't add any extra rules to enforce etiquette unless it's absolutely necessary.
Of all the formatting tags out there we all know and love on various sites, that's honestly the only one we don't have here on SP that would be nice. It's not like we CAN'T use colors, bold, underline, etc., like mentioned above, but a nice block of color helps keep long posts organized. Just a suggestion, in the end.
Fine, it's added.
The customizable version of it will show up later.
Derosis
2010-07-07, 12:02 AM
On a scale of 1~10.
How much would you change this in an overall fashion.
Sexy
But kinda off-putting; looks a lot like the post headings (and every other heading).
OH, do headers work now?
SEXAY HEADER
Stereo
2010-07-07, 03:55 AM
Do the image blocks have to act on the entire post? Does weird things in quotes, eg. see image threads (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=176&p=464393&viewfull=1#post464393).
Then again, img tags inside quotes might be better off defaulting to spoilered images or something. I dunno.
Chameleonic
2010-07-07, 04:13 AM
The R&R is going to be cleaned up a bit more, specifically in regards to the porn rule, which seems to confuse people since it's more about indecency/obscenity than outright porn. There may be other tweaks, but that's the one I'm aware of being on the to do list just now.
I hope things become more strict with regards to the indecency/obscenity side of things here, I find a lot of things offend my sense of decency.:goggle:
shroum
2010-07-07, 04:24 AM
Main topic
Hello and welcome to the header test
Table of contents (indented once)
1
2
3
double indented topic 1
This is a test sentence.
double indented topic 2
This is a test sentence.
double indented topic 3
This is a test sentence.
closing statement
Indenting is your friend? I think it looks more professional.
Eosain keep up the great updates! your rather good at this.
On a scale of 1~10.
How much would you change this in an overall fashion.
That's impossible to predict. Even if I make a level 1 change on your scale once every month after a year would that add up to a 10?
I wouldn't even know how to rate the changes, since a tiny change to one person is earth moving to another. The header tag for example.
But kinda off-putting; looks a lot like the post headings (and every other heading).
As I said, the customizable one will come later so you can set your own background and foreground.
ThatWasMyKil
2010-07-07, 07:54 AM
oh shi- headers. brb updating things......
Oh is something up with tables? mine seem to be broken :(
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=20231&p=333244
Do the image blocks have to act on the entire post? Does weird things in quotes, eg. see image threads (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=176&p=464393&viewfull=1#post464393).
Then again, img tags inside quotes might be better off defaulting to spoilered images or something. I dunno.
That's because the quote was missing the same 'keep my crap in me' CSS that the post bodies themselves were. It's been adjusted.
Oh is something up with tables? mine seem to be broken :(
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=20231&p=333244
was not playing nicely with the header, fixed now.
Delicae
2010-07-07, 10:55 AM
Eos, I have a question for you.
What are you going to do with the Maple Guides Forum? A lot of the guides seem to be somewhat outdated. Are you going to draw everyone back to that forum with some sort of event or are you just going to leave it as it is? The reason I ask is because we're considered to be the forum with the most up-to-date content available. Unfortunately our guides section is not up to that level of quality. Will you do something to correct this?
Thanks,
-Larka
As I said, the customizable one will come later so you can set your own background and foreground.
Right-o. Forgot that part. :f3:
And is there any way you could make the huge-image thing have a scroll bar on the top? ifthatmakessense
EDIT: Example:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4686946/sandpapery.png
It would be nice not to have to scroll down, scroll it right, scroll back up, etc, just to see the rest of the top of the image.
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-07, 11:17 AM
something i noticed thats annoying: if an image were to stretch the page, a slider is put on the bottom underneath of it. however, when you move the slider bar, the text underneath of the image, and outside of the spoiler, gets affected by the slider as well. dunno if its just me on FF, but its something i noticed.
and oh cool headers
.
something i noticed thats annoying: if an image were to stretch the page, a slider is put on the bottom underneath of it. however, when you move the slider bar, the text underneath of the image, and outside of the spoiler, gets affected by the slider as well. dunno if its just me on FF, but its something i noticed.
.
It's because the new scrollbar thing treats where the image is as one div. So if a person puts an image in the body of the post then the entire post is scrollbarified. Does that make sense? :<
Eos, I have a question for you.
What are you going to do with the Maple Guides Forum? A lot of the guides seem to be somewhat outdated. Are you going to draw everyone back to that forum with some sort of event or are you just going to leave it as it is? The reason I ask is because we're considered to be the forum with the most up-to-date content available. Unfortunately our guides section is not up to that level of quality. Will you do something to correct this?
Thanks,
-Larka
User submitted content is dependent on user interest.
I may consider a contest of sorts to get some new/updated guides but it's not a primary focus at this time.
And is there any way you could make the huge-image thing have a scroll bar on the top? ifthatmakessense
The scroll bar is handled by your browser, there's no way for the site to dictate how the browser handles scrolling at this time.
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-07, 12:10 PM
It's because the new scrollbar thing treats where the image is as one div. So if a person puts an image in the body of the post then the entire post is scrollbarified. Does that make sense? :<
not at all.
here, all use this to explain what i mean:
[]
[[[B](random image)
sdfgsdfh]]
[[sdhsdhfsn
sdhdsahvad
sdhybsdtfb
ytinsbfdj]]
what is in bold, and in italics, gets moved.
so say that, within the spoiler, theres text underneath the image. that is affected.
but the text outside of the spoiler, after the image, is also affected. what comes before the image is not.
not at all.
here, all use this to explain what i mean:
-snip-
what is in bold, and in italics, gets moved.
so say that, within the spoiler, theres text underneath the image. that is affected.
but the text outside of the spoiler, after the image, is also affected. what comes before the image is not.
Text before spoiler.Text before image.http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4686946/sandpapery.png
Text after image.Text after spoiler.
Hmmm. Odd. It scrollbar's the whole post. I thought it just scrollbar'd the spoiler. o_o
What jon said was correct - Your entire post is considered a single window as it were. If you do anything to expand part of your window beyond the normal limit means that the entirety of the window gets scrollbars.
Same with a quote, if you quote something the quote creates a window in your window, and everything within the sub window is confined to your window, which should not have to scroll itself because it's already got a container in it.
I was wondering if instead of scroll bars we could have that feat that expands images when you click on them, and it has like a 800x600 px image size limit.
shroum
2010-07-07, 12:42 PM
I was wondering if instead of scroll bars we could have that feat that expands images when you click on them, and it has like a 800x600 px image size limit.
I second this. Its much easier and better then having to scroll around. Also I've seen on other websites it leads to an album where you can click next and basically see every picture on the thread.
I was wondering if instead of scroll bars we could have that feat that expands images when you click on them, and it has like a 800x600 px image size limit.
I'll consider it, but it doesn't behave well with all browsers.
Considered and rejected for now.
Images are inline elements, what you've asked for would require them to always be treated as block elements, and would break the ability to scatter little images through your text, like the emoticons for those who want to use their own emoticons, or show pictures of character avatars, or all of Fiel's extraction images.
Creating an entirely new class of image and making everyone differentiate whether their image was one type or the other and then policing that would be a massive nuisance.
Making the post containers explicitly retain their dimensions is so far the practical option. Gigantic pictures aren't really a common area of focus for the site, the smaller icons and whatnot are far more prevalent.
Well, Spaz has this feat in his Super Sword Action forum, and it behaves perfectly with Opera and Firefox 3.6
The customizable version of it will show up later.
This is functional now.
Examples:
Default/inherits from style
personalized
If you only provide partial info to the personalization the defaults are black background and white text and will overlap the pieces you omit.
personalized
personalized
Really really customized
Syntax:
plain
personalized
personalized
personalized
Really really customized
I'll consider it, but it doesn't behave well with all browsers.
Considered and rejected for now.
Images are inline elements, what you've asked for would require them to always be treated as block elements, and would break the ability to scatter little images through your text, like the emoticons for those who want to use their own emoticons, or show pictures of character avatars, or all of Fiel's extraction images.
Creating an entirely new class of image and making everyone differentiate whether their image was one type or the other and then policing that would be a massive nuisance.
Making the post containers explicitly retain their dimensions is so far the practical option. Gigantic pictures aren't really a common area of focus for the site, the smaller icons and whatnot are far more prevalent.
Is this really so? I thought there was an easier way to do this. Oh well. The headers are looking sweet now, grats Eos.
Hazzy
2010-07-07, 05:14 PM
Text before spoiler.Text before image.http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4686946/sandpapery.png
Text after image.Text after spoiler.
Hmmm. Odd. It scrollbar's the whole post. I thought it just scrollbar'd the spoiler. o_o
I wanna see what his image does to my post when I quote.
I have to say the scroll bar is more annoying than helpful. If an image is spoilered, there's no need to scrollbar it. :|
Is this really so? I thought there was an easier way to do this.
The image resizer code being used on SSA is client side javascript that gets processed after the page has already rendered.
I don't much care for that because it means your perception of the sites rendering speed becomes even more dependent on your browser (and that scripts) behavior than the actual site's performance, and anyone without javascript enabled here wouldn't see any benefit of it.
I'll continue to consider it and possibly put a vote about adding that a secondary option on top of the CSS change I made so that the only time people would see the scroll bars is when they weren't allowing JS or had overriden it's settings.
I have to say the scroll bar is more annoying than helpful. If an image is spoilered, there's no need to scrollbar it. :|
The container has no way to know the image was spoilered, all it knows is that something is trying to display beyond it's boundaries and that's not allowed to happen, so it makes scroll bars so you can see the whole thing. I could change it to clip instead of scroll, but that's even more annoying. What it really needs is a resize to fit option but that's just not something the current standards support.
The image resizer code being used on SSA is client side javascript that gets processed after the page has already rendered.
I don't much care for that because it means your perception of the sites rendering speed becomes even more dependent on your browser (and that scripts) behavior than the actual site's performance, and anyone without javascript enabled here wouldn't see any benefit of it.
I'll continue to consider it and possibly put a vote about adding that a secondary option on top of the CSS change I made so that the only time people would see the scroll bars is when they weren't allowing JS or had overriden it's settings.
That sounds totally way better.
ImagineAll
2010-07-07, 06:40 PM
Must say, I'm very impressed with your handling things people are asking for. Weighing all of your options and then coming to a decision. I like it.
Keep up the good work, Eos.
Shidoshi
2010-07-07, 10:22 PM
The image resizer code being used on SSA is client side javascript that gets processed after the page has already rendered.
I don't much care for that because it means your perception of the sites rendering speed becomes even more dependent on your browser (and that scripts) behavior than the actual site's performance, and anyone without javascript enabled here wouldn't see any benefit of it.
I'll continue to consider it and possibly put a vote about adding that a secondary option on top of the CSS change I made so that the only time people would see the scroll bars is when they weren't allowing JS or had overriden it's settings.
The container has no way to know the image was spoilered, all it knows is that something is trying to display beyond it's boundaries and that's not allowed to happen, so it makes scroll bars so you can see the whole thing. I could change it to clip instead of scroll, but that's even more annoying. What it really needs is a resize to fit option but that's just not something the current standards support.
I think for rare cases where we have high resolution images it's not that much of a hassle to: "right click, copy img url, open new tab, paste url, enter"
Once we get maple on 1024xIDK we'll probably start seeing more images bigger than the screen.
Stereo
2010-07-08, 04:51 AM
I somehow broke my post editing ability by including two anglebrackets (<<) Not sure what's up with that.
edit: can't figure out what exactly is wrong.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=28874&p=483808&viewfull=1#post483808
My post display cuts off at 266, whereas the post goes
266% < crit < 281%
When I hit edit, the div just vanishes.
Are we gonna have a frontpage again?
holyforest
2010-07-08, 03:48 PM
Are we gonna have a frontpage again?
Eww I hope not....
Are we gonna have a frontpage again?
What would you want on it?
Like what Paul had in mind, content on the forums, direct links to extractions, guides, another content that could be created. Featured blogs, polls, etc. Something the new user could use as a start to get into the board.
How would that differ from the default page of the forum being the "What's new" link more or less?
Most searches on google would direct you to the front page, and if you're a guest, it looks nice and dandy if you can see what's interesting on the forum. I dunno I just picture it in my head and I don't know if I'm explaining myself.
TaliaNCo
2010-07-08, 09:05 PM
I actually like your idea of contests Eos. It would be a unique way to draw in some more traffic and maybe get specific sections of the forums more attention. BTW....contests are my specialty. LOL! (ask Gog)
ETA: I also would like to see another donator option other than paypal. Not sure what else we could use, but having more than one option is always appealing and beneficial.
TøbiasBlack
2010-07-08, 09:12 PM
Like what Paul had in mind, content on the forums, direct links to extractions, guides, another content that could be created. Featured blogs, polls, etc. Something the new user could use as a start to get into the board.
Fiel's Musings or Eos' Contemplations?
bring back the Democracy forum with polls?
show the calender on the front page with MS-events, and if arranged some sorta games or whatnot on SP.
maybe have users input weather forecasts from their areas?
maybe give a link to some "introduction to the moderation staff and the site's rules" thing in bold, attention-grabbing location?
links to the iRC's?
butterfλi
2010-07-08, 11:32 PM
Muwhahahaha.
First major change made and the funhouse will never be the same. Can anyone even find it? :f3:
Regarding the new div block images:
Can the removal of this be voted on in site discussion? I'm hating it more and more. For one thing, it cuts off big images, making it annoying to view. Second, middle clicking does not allowing scrolling within the image div block. If you're really still against page horizontally stretching, I'll bring up this suggestion (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=23121&page=1&highlight=resize) again. Unlike the current code, you can view a large image without squinting your eyes and focusing your mouse on a 5 pixel-thick horizontal scroll bar and it doesn't stretch pages.
Kurtle
2010-07-09, 12:33 AM
Regarding the new div block images:
Can the removal of this be voted on in site discussion? I'm hating it more and more. For one thing, it cuts off big images, making it annoying to view. Second, middle clicking does not allowing scrolling within the image div block. If you're really still against page horizontally stretching, I'll bring up this suggestion (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=23121&page=1&highlight=resize) again. Unlike the current code, you can view a large image without squinting your eyes and focusing your mouse on a 5 pixel-thick horizontal scroll bar and it doesn't stretch pages.
This. Please.
Delicae
2010-07-09, 01:34 AM
I'm sorry, but I have the third the nomination of the large image resizing.
The scroll bar is not user friendly by no means. Its very troublesome.
Regarding the new div block images:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=28789&p=483308&viewfull=1#post483308
Patchouli
2010-07-09, 09:37 AM
Also voicing my displeasure for this div block. It makes posts annoying to read through.
Sure, if I wanted to view the whole image, I could just view the image from its source. The problem is that it makes posts an eyesore, and makes it impossible to view posts that have large images as a whole. It feels like I'm trying to read a post on notepad with wordwrap off.Don't even get me started on comics, you have to open those in a separate tab if you wanna read them, which is annoying if there are multiple pages for the comic that would, under normal circumstances, fit together nicely.
There. Not the same as SSA due to version support issues, but a workable version with somewhat similar behavior.
Kurtle
2010-07-10, 12:18 AM
There. Not the same as SSA due to version support issues, but a workable version with somewhat similar behavior.
I cant see the details in the image even after clicking it. They seem to be auto-resized and still not in their original form...
Worked for me with Opera and IE. Browser?
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-10, 12:24 AM
So, will there be an option to have images load at full size? Its both frustrating and annoying when you want to look at something and go to yet another page to view an image when its already right there in front of you.
**using firefox
SlayerZach
2010-07-10, 12:26 AM
So, will there be an option to have images load at full size? Its both frustrating and annoying when you want to look at something and go to yet another page to view an image when its already right there in front of you.
**using firefox
I'm getting the same problem. And I completely agree with you, John. ._.
Edit: Firefox.
IllegallySane
2010-07-10, 12:31 AM
Worked for me with Opera and IE. Browser?
Most likely Firefox, as I am using.
As for Google Chrome, I'm getting similar incidents of resized images that won't stretch to it's original size.
I just tried IE and it doesn't resize the image before or after I clicked on it to open in a div box. I did however got a hugeass black box that stretched from top to bottom of the page. O_o
I just tried IE and it doesn't resize the image before or after I clicked on it to open in a div box.
It had a hard coded quirk in the js for images over a certain size, try now.
IllegallySane
2010-07-10, 12:36 AM
It had a hard coded quirk in the js for images over a certain size, try now.
Unfortunately IE isn't my main browser. The Fox is. =S
Unfortunately IE isn't my main browser. The Fox is. =S
IE wasn't the point of my reply.
Kurtle
2010-07-10, 01:03 AM
IE wasn't the point of my reply.
Fixed for us foxy people. thanks!
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-10, 01:17 AM
Fixed for us foxy people. thanks!
Opens a whole page just for the image X_X
Opens a whole page just for the image X_X
I have no idea what you're talking about. It opens the image inline in the same page as an overlay.
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-10, 01:21 AM
Clicked image>>that tab now becomes the direct link to said image.
So whereas the url would be southperry.net blah blah blah, the images actual url comes up and takes over the whole page, not the overlay, that im guessing is what basil uses.
And what browser are you using?
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-10, 01:28 AM
Fire Fox, 3.6
Ok, now they open in an expanding layer above the actual page. Still kind of annoying, since the box randomly closes.
Can you disable the slideshow-ness? >_>
Can you disable the slideshow-ness? >_>
Not entirely, no. I moved it to 30 seconds a slide, but you'd still have to manually navigate it or pause it to make it stop trying to move on it's own, and on single pics it shouldn't move or close.
Not entirely, no. I moved it to 30 seconds a slide, but you'd still have to manually navigate it or pause it to make it stop trying to move on it's own, and on single pics it shouldn't move or close.
30 seconds? Really? It seemed a lot faster. Oh well.
30 seconds? Really? It seemed a lot faster. Oh well.
It would've been 10 before I posted that and depending on your configuration settings you may or may not update the .js any time soon without manually flushing it.
This is one of the reasons I don't like client side handling, too many things can give an inconsistent experience.
Sn1perJohnE
2010-07-10, 02:28 AM
Not entirely, no. I moved it to 30 seconds a slide, but you'd still have to manually navigate it or pause it to make it stop trying to move on it's own, and on single pics it shouldn't move or close.
It seems to be random.
Either pics posted after a certain time or something, but some pics load into the whole page, or some open with a short slide show.
If I have to be honest with you Eos, this slideshow thing works wonders for me. Opera 10.6 here.
I'd like it even more if the thumbnails were a bit bigger.
Hazzy
2010-07-10, 03:53 PM
I like the slide show thing because the arrow keys let me control it, and it makes browsing multiple images in a post easy as pie. Removes the need to spoiler images, apart from a Spidey Dump, too.
:D
If I want to save the image, I just press my mouse wheel and it opens in a new tab, ready for me to save and use later.
I'd like it even more if the thumbnails were a bit bigger.
Yeah, I keep alternating between 250 and 400 for max, trying to decide which is better.
XTOTHEL
2010-07-10, 08:24 PM
Yeah, I keep alternating between 250 and 400 for max, trying to decide which is better.
oh oh can it be 200 and enlarge on hover? :O
oh oh can it be 200 and enlarge on hover? :O
The hover spoilers have taught us hover can be a very nasty thing. I think they're at 400 for now.
butterfλi
2010-07-10, 10:57 PM
The new image code is nice but there's a small side effect.
When you use an image as a hyperlink to another image, clicking on the image will open the same rather than the linked one.
img_B.jpg (img_A.jpg)
Clicking on that will display img_B rather than img_A like it's suppose to.
I would classify that side effect as "Working as Intended".
Gengle
2010-07-12, 06:55 PM
Just a quick question about the picture resizing.
It appears that when a thread is image heavy (ex: level up thread) and an image is clicked before all of the images on the current page are finished loading, the server opens the picture as a brand new screen of just the image. Is this working as intended?
Nope, it's a client error - Because the page hasn't loaded completely it's not ready to begin servicing requests so it only gets so far as to parse the anchor, not the anchor's override.
holyforest
2010-07-14, 12:52 PM
Will you be adding new subjects not to talk about in the Angry Dome?
Will you be adding new subjects not to talk about in the Angry Dome?
Why would he?
holyforest
2010-07-14, 01:34 PM
Well, I've been noticing that whenever people start talking about U.S. politics, it usually never turns out well. People start accusing one party of X and then someone accuses the other party of being Y. After that, people start flaming each other, and many times take offense to what the other person said about the topic or party the thread was created about. It's gotten pretty exhausting just looking at some of these threads.Trying to calmly get facts or opinions across without someone harshly criticizing you makes it all the more frustrating.
OPs can still close their own threads in the Angry Dome though.
That's the nature of politics, religion and sex.
They'll always be button pusher issues, and when people can't deal with it they'll be reprimanded rather than the topics being outright prohibited from the get go.
With the exception of explicitly obscene topics I don't believing in censoring much. People are entitled to have opinions, and disagree with them, and mechanisms exist so that if someone doesn't want everyone dissecting their viewpoint in the angry dome they can simply lock their own thread and not have to worry about it.
What about censoring topics like this (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=12716)?
holyforest
2010-07-16, 08:54 PM
What about censoring topics like this (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=12716)?
Exactly.
What about censoring topics like this (http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=12716)?
We'll be revisiting those to determine if they're truly necessary.
Swerve
2010-07-16, 10:27 PM
We'll be revisiting those to determine if they're truly necessary.
The conversations didn't turn out to be productive at all. Instead of discussing kinematics, thermal energetics, iron-sulfur world theory, RNA-DNA Theory, primordial soup hypothesis, big bang, and several other scientific theories it turned into a Bible bashing thread. Often times the topic devolved into the subject of evolution, which does not explain the origin of the universe, merely an argument about how humans came to exist. In my opinion, these threads are best left censored. As a person who sees the merit in both science and religion, I must assert that the probable negatives are far more realistic than the potential positives.
And I must assert that a forum is never the same forum twice.
Swerve
2010-07-16, 10:38 PM
And I must assert that a forum is never the same forum twice.
You're right. The forum could have gotten a lot more mature with the acquisition of new post contributors like Random_Overlord and the return of old users who were previously banned.
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