I was hunting Headless Horseman today and this happened D=

[Slashermills2]

Today in Scania... a 94 FP mage was hunting Headless Horsemen in
CrossRoads when he HAPPENED UPON ONE so he climbs the rope and asplodes it trying to knock its head off when little does he know a 99 I/L Mage decided she was wanting to fight one as well so she pops into his channels and starts to try and KS...
The FP thinks to himself "I MUST DEFEND MY CATCH TO GET ITS RARE DROP!"
Fire Poison Mage uses DUN DUN DUN 2 Year old PIE GOO!!!!!!! 120 Magic attack
he then jump down and starts to rain Fire Arrows upon Headless Horsemen while at the same time glaring at the I/L mage knowing all I/L Mages suck and KS anyone they can because they lack intellectual training ;3 =P (I/L hate here =D)
Since she obviously thought she was going to win she kept attacking so he kept firing off his fire arrows while she Magic Clawed it Cold Bolted it and Ice Struck it
After about 12-14 minutes Headless Horsmen's head rolled on the ground
He dropped a bag of meso and nothing else...
The fire mage walks over and triumphantly loots his meso

^_^
its real
also in there I defamed her and she threatened to send a bishop after me XD
You cant stop someone who doesn't train from training can you?
Anyway I thought you might be entertained
her ign HisThong 99 I/L from guild Replay
me TrueMiroku 94 FP from guild Desires
hope you laugh...

I cried because I only wanted a lantern ='(
oh well... I still kinda felt like bragging and sadly I'm sorry but no there are SS's but meh Believe me or not it does not matter ^_^

[wobbufet]

It's always funny when someone tries to KS and fails horribly.

[Laur]

HH drama - Seems to be a lot of it lately.

Being a Priest, it's obviously going to be hard for me to kill the fuckers and going to take a lot of time without some help, but I do it anyways. Yesterday, some asshole Hermit comes in and starts killing my find (after it had already taken me 10 minutes to try killing the thing). He ended up KSing the shit out of me, and got the head.

I was so pissed. :f7:

[Greg22]

Om nom nom I eat horsemen.

[Findings]

The fact that you think killing bosses or KSing has anything to do with intelligence makes your own lack of "intellectual training" quite apparent.

[Retalion]

Interesting little story... though drama like this probably belongs elsewhere or... nowhere at all D;

All these quests with good rewards are bringing out the worse in everyone, sadly =X

[Beserker101]

Heh heh heh, 2 year old pie goo.

[Worthyness]

I wish i could get a bigfoot toe =(

can't even attempt to kill one by myslef (If i did, it would be glitching seeing as i need to constantly arrow bomb to stun the thing =O)

But i can't KS anyone for crap at ANY of these bosses seeing as i can't survive even 1 hit from either of the 2. I end up arrow raining the HH from that one platform (not too hard) or puppetizeing it when no one else is there...

If anyone else finds me and attempts to KS me by un puppeting, i might have the chance to kill it if the other person knocks it back for me, but otherwise i'm screwed... Curse you low HP >=0

[EngelRod]

I wish i could get a bigfoot toe =(

can't even attempt to kill one by myslef (If i did, it would be glitching seeing as i need to constantly arrow bomb to stun the thing =O)

But i can't KS anyone for crap at ANY of these bosses seeing as i can't survive even 1 hit from either of the 2. I end up arrow raining the HH from that one platform (not too hard) or puppetizeing it when no one else is there...

If anyone else finds me and attempts to KS me by un puppeting, i might have the chance to kill it if the other person knocks it back for me, but otherwise i'm screwed... Curse you low HP >=0

I thought stunning bigfoot wasn't considered glitching. :f6:

[Pikachu]

Amazing... MapleStory bores me.

[Wani]

lol, my maple wifey was killing a HH, had been killing it for 15 minutes, then some guy shows up and kses it off her. Then the guy had the nerve to ask her to help him kill a big foot.

[Slashermills2]

lol well yea I still won which made me happy...
also later I had one completely Soloed then Lagged Dced/died from lag/dced ;-;

oh any the best part was she thought I cared what the name of her friends were XD
she was flaunting that XD then her friend stalked me and accused me of Glitching well...
I caught him glitching he Webbed a BF when I was searching for Seeds I happen to Come into his channel/map and see him webbing so I laughed at him not outloud of course
but you know those that make accusations should stfu and die ^_^

[Silver_ice]

lmao well done.

[Kabanaw]

I hate people who do that. That's why I stay away from crowded area until I'm strong enough to have it happen only rarely.

[Mark]

Cool story, bro.

Will read again and consider it for a Pulitzer's prize.

[Slashermills2]

Cool story, bro.

Will read again and consider it for a Pulitzer's prize.
What the heck is Pulitzer's prize??

[psychopat]

Yesterday I found myself an HH, all alone so I proceeded to kill it.

Roughly 150 strafes into it, a bowmaster from what I thought was a respectable guild walks in and starts KSing me with Hurricane. I stayed behind him and kept strafing away, getting 140k exp which, I assume, means he got roughly 160k.

The weird part is that I won the drops...? He then tried to justify his selfishness by saying I'd do the same if I was able to KS him. Why is it that asses always assume everyone else is also an ass? :-P Anyway... that pumpkinhead will be handy in 2 days :)

[Slashermills2]

Yesterday I found myself an HH, all alone so I proceeded to kill it.

Roughly 150 strafes into it, a bowmaster from what I thought was a respectable guild walks in and starts KSing me with Hurricane. I stayed behind him and kept strafing away, getting 140k exp which, I assume, means he got roughly 160k.

The weird part is that I won the drops...? He then tried to justify his selfishness by saying I'd do the same if I was able to KS him. Why is it that asses always assume everyone else is also an ass? :-P Anyway... that pumpkinhead will be handy in 2 days :)
Lol well we ARE in Scania so what do you expect man =\
and what "respectable guild" if they are truly a respectable guild like KOM <_< Talk to Tess because she doesn't stay too happy if her members do that kind of stuff >_>

[x0xpriestx0x]

lol thank you for your lil story. This should be in the ranting section but still pretty amusing reading it. lol thanks and errr.. gratz? at least u won that ks? o_O lol

[Michelle]

That was entertaining. Not all I/L mages suck as you say, though. =[

[Magus]

while at the same time glaring at the I/L mage knowing all I/L Mages suck and KS anyone they can because they lack intellectual training ;3 =P (I/L hate here =D)
Please do not troll these forums.

[Slashermills2]

Please do not troll these forums.
Don't get mad because us F/P aren't bandwagoned like Ice is since it takes a REAL man/woman to last with a F/P but anyone can make it as an I/L
Also Katz it took you a Month to come in here I'm not Trolling these forums
Just because I stated an opinion of disliking I/L Mages doesn't mean I'm trolling especially when the topic points out that I was being KSed by one that was higher leveled than me

[snowie72]

Haha, I know her. Shes cool, and RePlay guild owns! =D

Although HH is free for all, no matter what anyone says. I had to tolerate people KSing me for a year, so why should you be any different?

[psychopat]

Although HH is free for all, no matter what anyone says.If it just spawned, sure. If I've been fighting it for 2 minutes before you walk in and KS it, that makes you an ass. (and I'm not using "you" to mean specifically you, I mean anyone)



I had to tolerate people KSing me for a year, so why should you be any different?Then you know how it feels. Why stoop to other people's level? Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Findings]

Bosses don't belong to anyone regardless of the amount of time anyone has been there. Learn to share. The bosses that are FFA have open, non instanced maps for a reason.

[psychopat]

Bosses don't belong to anyone regardless of the amount of time anyone has been there. Learn to share. The bosses that are FFA have open, non instanced maps for a reason.
I find the part I bolded extremely funny.

Paraphrased, I said:
"If I found it, it's mine. If we were both there, FFA. If you found it, I won't steal it from you"

Paraphrased, you said:
"I'm going to take it, no matter what the circumstances."

... and you're telling ME to learn to share? Hah!

[Findings]

I found your entire response funny because you're so childish that you think someone helping you kill a boss is "taking it from you."

[IsaacGS]

KSing is KSing regardless of whether it's a boss or not.

[Findings]

That's incorrect, bosses are a special case due to the fact that they have (long) spawn times. Bosses that aren't meant to be FFA have doors blocking people from entering, while those that are for everybody to fight let anybody in.

[IsaacGS]

That's incorrect, bosses are a special case due to the fact that they have (long) spawn times. Bosses that aren't meant to be FFA have doors blocking people from entering, while those that are for everybody to fight let anybody in.
Guess you wouldn't mind if a bunch of people came in and started KSing your Pianus then?

[Findings]

Guess you wouldn't mind if a bunch of people came in and started KSing your Pianus then?

I don't mind when they do, no. I wish Pianus wasn't FFA, but it's not my choice to make.

[Kabanaw]

Don't get mad because us F/P aren't bandwagoned like Ice is since it takes a REAL man/woman to last with a F/P but anyone can make it as an I/L
Also Katz it took you a Month to come in here I'm not Trolling these forums
Just because I stated an opinion of disliking I/L Mages doesn't mean I'm trolling especially when the topic points out that I was being KSed by one that was higher leveled than me

Man, what do you have against I/Ls? It's not like every single one of us is a KSer. Besides, I view I/Ls and F/Ps as a team, "The Least Liked Duo in Maple."

Besides, you guys don't have it that bad. You guys have the best 3rd job exp.

[MariaColette]

I found your entire response funny because you're so childish that you think someone helping you kill a boss is "taking it from you."

They pretty much are if they're just coming in to take the loot you've been trying to fight for.

KSing is KSing, boss or not. Sure, it's FFA but that doesn't mean people should throw respect out the window and KS any boss that someone else is obviously fighting.

A friend of mine spent days trying to get a drop from a boss (Mushmom, for the spore needed for that one quest) and he eventually gave up because people kept coming in while he either waited or was killing and took everything that dropped. I had to come with him to fend off KSers and kill with him in case people didn't oblige to give him a damn chance to get what he needed.

To the TS; Grats on winning that, must be rewarding when someone fails to steal from you. :D

[IsaacGS]

I don't mind when they do, no. I wish Pianus wasn't FFA, but it's not my choice to make.
That's a pretty bold faced lie. Anyone would be cursing at their computer screen when people come in and disrupt their boss fights, even you. If it's going to anger you then it's clearly not appropriate behavior on their part, is it?

Headless horseman is probably the single worst boss to make your little argument against, because it spawns in about 8 maps and there's pretty much a 100% chance that more than one is present at any given time. In that case you're disrupting their boss fight out of laziness and greed rather than some alleged free-for-all policy that has never been stated.


Regardless of how it's intended by the creators, a purpose we can't hope to guess, it is still flat out pineappleing rude to start attacking something that someone else is already fighting, regardless of the monster's status as a boss or not.

[Alloy]

Just today, I found an odd situation. I found a hh, and started to kill it. Shortly after, a chief bandit comes in, and starts ksing. To my surprise, he dies after the first hit. "ok, he must be a lv 7x". I proceed. He keeps coming and diying, with me confused like hell. Then, I see he decides to go for the second option: Meso Explosion. He goes on DS, and starts to drop mesos. Then, he gets near me, and says: "Lure him to the mesos so I can bomb it F2" I was so confused that didn't know what to do.

therefore...

COUNTER ATTACK. I got near to trigger hh's attack, and hit him while on DS. Dead. I use my tactic of leaving map/reenter to stop hh from attacking me. And then, I see his money. I felt bad, but it was ammo for that guy as soon as he got back. Surprisingly, he only dropped 4 bags of 5k. It was like an odd dream. Then, the guy comes back, and... HE STARTS TO ASK FOR MONEY. I don't know what I'd have done, but the headless horseman died just then. No drops, though.

And then, I check his level. 112. OK, total confusion here. The only possible normal thing is that he was making a prank, but couldn't think of that in that moment, brain overwhelmed by the wtp factor.

Shortly after, I find another CB, using exactly Meso explosion. And some people on the platform up there. So I join them on the chat.

The KS factor is only determined by if you mind about annoying the crap out of others, or how important is exp for you. Sincerely, I think that if you know someone can get pissed and you yet do whatever the pineapple you want, you are simply an arse. And in my example, the lv 112 guy probably was just messing with me, and even though I lost around 20k of the exp, it was one of the most fun moments I had in maple. Totally worth that 20k exp.

[Findings]

They pretty much are if they're just coming in to take the loot you've been trying to fight for.

KSing is KSing, boss or not. Sure, it's FFA but that doesn't mean people should throw respect out the window and KS any boss that someone else is obviously fighting.

A friend of mine spent days trying to get a drop from a boss (Mushmom, for the spore needed for that one quest) and he eventually gave up because people kept coming in while he either waited or was killing and took everything that dropped. I had to come with him to fend off KSers and kill with him in case people didn't oblige to give him a damn chance to get what he needed.

To the TS; Grats on winning that, must be rewarding when someone fails to steal from you. :D

The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else.

What you do personally when you see someone killing a boss you want to kill is your own choice. It doesn't have a thing to do with respect, but if you tell someone that they have less of a choice than you do, that would be obvious disrespect.

You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "asshole" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year.


That's a pretty bold faced lie. Anyone would be cursing at their computer screen when people come in and disrupt their boss fights, even you. If it's going to anger you then it's clearly not appropriate behavior on their part, is it?

Headless horseman is probably the single worst boss to make your little argument against, because it spawns in about 8 maps and there's pretty much a 100% chance that more than one is present at any given time. In that case you're disrupting their boss fight out of laziness and greed rather than some alleged free-for-all policy that has never been stated.


Regardless of how it's intended by the creators, a purpose we can't hope to guess, it is still flat out pineappleing rude to start attacking something that someone else is already fighting, regardless of the monster's status as a boss or not.

I don't get this unjustified anger that you speak of, no. Get over yourself, you can't tell people what emotions they have. I don't like it when people kill me with bombs at Pianus, and prefer not to be, but it would make no sense for me to get angry at people that have no control over whether the boss is FFA, and are simply playing the game the way it is. If I didn't want the risk of having my bosses killed, I wouldn't even go to them in the first place.

What you say about Headless is true sometimes, like not during peak hours, but it isn't always. If you have a normal sleep schedule and have little choice but to kill the first one you find, which may or may not be in an empty map, there's nothing wrong with wanting to get a head before you go to sleep. The GMs don't need to go out of their way to state every obvious thing, especially when it is implied many times over. Pressing ESC, enter, right arrow, and enter, doesn't have a thing to do with how lazy or greedy a person is, I can't even believe you could be so self-righteous to say something like that.

It being rude is your flawed perception of it. You only feel that way because you are egotistical and saying "what he did was wrong! however, I, by pressing the ESC, up arrow, and enter keys, am doing what is just and fair :]" gives you a false sense of superiority. You, I, or anyone else that will typically change channels when they find a boss already being killed are not better than anyone who does otherwise.

The person in Alloy's post is a perfect example of someone who just wants the boss to be killed (bosses exist to be killed, unlike infinitely spawning normal monsters) and enjoy doing it. If someone is tracking you and following you to each and every boss that you go to, you could call it being an ass, but unless something very specific like that occurs, you can't judge people so quickly.

[Heidi]

You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "asshole" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year.


I'm sure that happens sometimes, but I doubt that there would be many of them. Wouldn't it just be best to leave them be? They'll get sick of it eventually, and they'll leave it and somebody can kill it when they do. No point trying to force them out. If they can survive there, let them have their fun if they got there first. There could have been another high level person there anyway, meaning that you couldn't have had it anyway. Why should levels be rights? (Though I would never agree with people there just to loot)

I don't think that a person can claim a boss before it has spawned. Meaning that saying "cc plz" at a map where a boss will spawn is something that I don't agree with. Once it has spawned though, people walking in and killing it if another person is is just plain rude.
Yeah, okay, Nexon made it so that people could do that. But it's really just treating others how you want to be treated.
I sometimes hunt snowman miniboss. I don't like it when another person walks in and instead of leaving, they KS me.

[psychopat]

I can't believe you're actually trying to justify this, Findings...

Her example wasn't horribly biased, it was a regular example that has happened to tons of people, myself included with my 57 mule. And yes, your counterexample would make the guy an ass too. It's not hard to either ask the DK or wait until he leaves. "I don't play much" is not a free pass to mean you shouldn't have to put less effort than anyone else for equal returns. Also, just btw, the Misconduct clause in the ToS and on Nexon's site (http://maplestory.nexon.net/WZ.ASPX?PART=/Support/UserAbuse/UserAbusePolicy) doesn't make a special exception for KS'ing bosses. You're doing that because it happens to suit you.

Everyone with common sense can see that your "I want to see the boss dead!" excuse is complete bull. You want to steal the exp and the drops from the other guy. If snails gave the same exp and drops, you can bet that 99% of the time, that fish would go unkilled.

And finally, being a decent person isn't about a sense of superiority. If you can't see that, then there's no point arguing with you because you'll never get it. I hope you run into lots of people like-minded in your gaming or, even better, in real life (although I doubt that most of the KSers act the same in real life because you don't have the anonymity of the computer screen to hide behind)

[Retalion]

The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else.

What you do personally when you see someone killing a boss you want to kill is your own choice. It doesn't have a thing to do with respect, but if you tell someone that they have less of a choice than you do, that would be obvious disrespect.

You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "asshole" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year.



I don't get this unjustified anger that you speak of, no. Get over yourself, you can't tell people what emotions they have. I don't like it when people kill me with bombs at Pianus, and prefer not to be, but it would make no sense for me to get angry at people that have no control over whether the boss is FFA, and are simply playing the game the way it is. If I didn't want the risk of having my bosses killed, I wouldn't even go to them in the first place.

What you say about Headless is true sometimes, like not during peak hours, but it isn't always. If you have a normal sleep schedule and have little choice but to kill the first one you find, which may or may not be in an empty map, there's nothing wrong with wanting to get a head before you go to sleep. The GMs don't need to go out of their way to state every obvious thing, especially when it is implied many times over. Pressing ESC, enter, right arrow, and enter, doesn't have a thing to do with how lazy or greedy a person is, I can't even believe you could be so self-righteous to say something like that.

It being rude is your flawed perception of it. You only feel that way because you are egotistical and saying "what he did was wrong! however, I, by pressing the ESC, up arrow, and enter keys, am doing what is just and fair :]" gives you a false sense of superiority. You, I, or anyone else that will typically change channels when they find a boss already being killed are not better than anyone who does otherwise.

The person in Alloy's post is a perfect example of someone who just wants the boss to be killed (bosses exist to be killed, unlike infinitely spawning normal monsters) and enjoy doing it. If someone is tracking you and following you to each and every boss that you go to, you could call it being an ass, but unless something very specific like that occurs, you can't judge people so quickly.

I think you're being too technical here. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but MOST people would leave, leading that to be the norm so that when people dont relinquish this "right" of theirs, then people become appalled.

You're right. In theory, if the boss wasn't closed off, then "anyone should be able to kill it". I dont know about you, but I myself, seeing someone at a boss would just go look for another one short of them saying something rude such as "cc plz" (yes I find that rude >_>) or "its mine, gtfo". They were there first, I'll let them kill it. You're right: In technicality, I have every right to attack that boss as much as you do. The difference is I choose not to and as do most people I know.

In your scenario of the 100 dk being at pianus, what I'd do is ask him if he wanted to help and if he said yes, I'd party him and help him kill it and in return, split the drops with him or whatnot. If he didnt, I'd leave. Yes someone else might end up ksing him, but that's not my issue, I did my part. Once I saw a 11x sniper with 6/9 puppet killing HH and there were none on the other channels (this was before CWK) so I just sat there and watched and gave him level 9 SE (which isnt much but helped nontheless) every few minutes to help him kill faster. It took him roughly 10 minutes to kill it and if I were to ks him, I'd definitely have been able to do so but I chose not to and helped him instead. I think I've seen Heidi (the girl a few posts up) at Snowman before in Scania (I remember most people I run into, mainly because she sold me apples once when I was contemplating immigration... least I think that was you... sorry if it wasnt) and she was killing it so I just left. I think afterwards, there was a channel in which we both landed at roughly the same time and by the time I got to the bottom (I really have no idea, server lag always makes you appear right), we just both attacked it and "ksed" each other. If two people get to it at the same time, I have no problems with it but what you're trying to say is a bit meh.

The ign in your info bar on the side doesnt exist on rankings so i have no idea what level you really are but it says hunter so I'll assume you arent aware or involved with "elite politics", which also plays a factor into this. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but that doesnt stop one guild from ksing the other because someone "ksed their anego" or something. The guild "ksing" could argue that its free for all, but that wont prevent the guild that "got ksed" from starting a ks war at skeles or newties or something. Perhaps its just a Scania thing, perhaps its trans-server, I dont know but Im just saying that's how it works. Back in the day, you can stay in the altar for hours on end because there was no timer before/after it. Can we say "Nexon made zakum without a timer so people can hold it so no one else can zak and they can monopolize Z-helm prices and keep them at 200 mill a piece"? You tell me.

Finding HH has nothing to do with your sleep sched, dont go around saying "If you have a normal sleep schedule" nonsense because it's not true. People live all over the world, people sleep at different times, it's just the way things work.

I agree that "we who dont ks other people's bosses are not superior in any way" but at the same time, that doesnt mean we're looking down on you with disdain. We're not out to get you, we're merely voicing our opinions. It is somewhat hypocritical that you insist and call Isaac (and others) egotistical for thinking that their way of looking at it is right when the basis of you calling them egotistical (that theirs is the only right way, at least you perceive to be so) is that they dont agree with you.

I see this thread getting locked soon so I'll just end it there but Findings, if you want to discuss on the matter further elsewhere, Im up for it. There are quite a few flaws in your reasoning as countless people have stated here.

[IsaacGS]

The person that is in the map first deserves the loot just as much as anyone else.

What you do personally when you see someone killing a boss you want to kill is your own choice. It doesn't have a thing to do with respect, but if you tell someone that they have less of a choice than you do, that would be obvious disrespect.

You use a horribly biased example. Another example just as biased would be someone who plays casually and has been looking for a Pianus to kill for months so that he can get his level 20 SE book. He finally finds one being killed by a level 100 DK that is missing, and people in this topic would say that he is being an "asshole" for wanting to get his 4th job skill that year.



I don't get this unjustified anger that you speak of, no. Get over yourself, you can't tell people what emotions they have. I don't like it when people kill me with bombs at Pianus, and prefer not to be, but it would make no sense for me to get angry at people that have no control over whether the boss is FFA, and are simply playing the game the way it is. If I didn't want the risk of having my bosses killed, I wouldn't even go to them in the first place.

What you say about Headless is true sometimes, like not during peak hours, but it isn't always. If you have a normal sleep schedule and have little choice but to kill the first one you find, which may or may not be in an empty map, there's nothing wrong with wanting to get a head before you go to sleep. The GMs don't need to go out of their way to state every obvious thing, especially when it is implied many times over. Pressing ESC, enter, right arrow, and enter, doesn't have a thing to do with how lazy or greedy a person is, I can't even believe you could be so self-righteous to say something like that.

It being rude is your flawed perception of it. You only feel that way because you are egotistical and saying "what he did was wrong! however, I, by pressing the ESC, up arrow, and enter keys, am doing what is just and fair :]" gives you a false sense of superiority. You, I, or anyone else that will typically change channels when they find a boss already being killed are not better than anyone who does otherwise.

The person in Alloy's post is a perfect example of someone who just wants the boss to be killed (bosses exist to be killed, unlike infinitely spawning normal monsters) and enjoy doing it. If someone is tracking you and following you to each and every boss that you go to, you could call it being an ass, but unless something very specific like that occurs, you can't judge people so quickly.
Don't you think the fact that everyone is arguing against you should tell you a little something about your viewpoint here? Socially, in game, it is considered rude to start attacking a monster that someone else is attacking. It doesn't matter if it's a level 10 beginner fighting a green snail or a level 200 fighting Anego, they were there first, and if you even have the tiniest bit of respect for your fellow players you will not disrupt their playing of the game. By attacking that boss, or snail, or whatever it is that they are fighting, you are showing an extreme amount of rudeness and disrespect. Wouldn't telling the person who has already been killing this boss for 10-15 minutes "TOO BAD FFA" be depriving them of the choice to get their items?

In your little DK example up there, it really comes down to whether they're capable of actually defeating the boss. A level 50 Spearman could easily take any hit that HH has to dish out, but that doesn't mean he can kill it. If a 100 DK can't hit it enough to get over the HP regen then he obviously doesn't stand a chance of killing it. These kinds of people usually request help when they're coming in. Besides the fact that a 12x archer couldn't survive pianus attacks and hunting for SE 20 at that level is horribly inefficient, and that there are very few casual players who actually go to bosses, which pretty much renders the whole scenario moot, that DK would inevitably get bored or annoyed with messing with that Pianus.

"FFA" is an excuse used solely by greedy, rude, disrespectful people who are only interested in their own benefit of the scenario. They attack the boss to steal the drops, they attack it to sap the EXP, but for no reason do they ever do it for a good motive. It is purely out of a selfish desire to benefit. It's pretty rare that anyone actually "needs" something from a boss. Even when they do, it's normally not something that actually requires them to KS to get. I have a good example of this in the Bosshunter armor. To create bosshunter Helmet, I needed a Tengu nose. Rather than go around and KS people who are already fighting it just because I need something, I politely ask them for the nose, should it drop. They always agree; after all, it's not something they need, and I don't have to bother them. If anyone ever needs a Headless Horseman head, I will gladly do the same. Quests are pretty much the only time when you actually need to participate in the slaying of the boss, and the only bosses which are actually required are Area Bosses, with relatively short spawn times, and Pianus, where you can simply be partied and wait outside the door until it dies to get the item you need. All of these examples require a mere request on the part of the newcomer to the person already here rather than inciting conflict by blindly and greedily diving into battle.

KSing is inherently rude, because it displays a lack of respect and common courtesy. How can you say that these rules apply to one set of monsters and not another? It is not in some way "Egotistical" to not want to ruin someone's fun. People who do go around and deliberately use this little "FFA" argument to justify their KSing are not the kind of people most want to associate with. If they do it to the wrong person, then they'll probably find themselves harassed. Naturally someone under this "FFA" ideology would avoid these people in the big guilds to not get harassed. So why is it only fair for people who aren't in big guilds to get harassed? It isn't.

Oh yeah, not to mention that KSing of any kind is against the ToS, so the FFA argument is disestablished there.

[Heidi]

Hmmmm yeah, I actually have to agree with that. It does get a little tricky when it comes to lag. Both people see that they got there first, so both people got there first.

I guess that's where it is best to just give each other the benefit of the doubt, both just kill it, and just whoever does the most damage wins the drops. I probably yelled at you anyway though :P

Maybe with some of the larger bosses though, it's better to try and work it out, though that's tricky.

Lag is an annoying thing!!!

[Alloy]

About that FFA excuse people have to be able to KS:

it's simply manners! LET'S PUT AN EXAMPLE!

Real life is free for all! THEREFORE!
-I can poke anyone that passes by. It's made possible, so there's nothing wrong with it!
-I can lick the back of my shoe. It's possible, so I can do it freely! hooray!
-I can grab that cake from that drawer, and run with it, and then eat it! Since it's possible, there's nothing wrong with it!
-I can stab someone to death, and therefore, I can do it!

Yes, but in real life you get to prison!

I wonder why there's a ToA in Maple then, and why one of the "not-to-do stuff" is KSing...

[IsaacGS]

About that FFA excuse people have to be able to KS:

it's simply manners! LET'S PUT AN EXAMPLE!

Real life is free for all! THEREFORE!
-I can poke anyone that passes by. It's made possible, so there's nothing wrong with it!
-I can lick the back of my shoe. It's possible, so I can do it freely! hooray!
-I can grab that cake from that drawer, and run with it, and then eat it! Since it's possible, there's nothing wrong with it!
-I can stab someone to death, and therefore, I can do it!

Yes, but in real life you get to prison!

I wonder why there's a ToA in Maple then, and why one of the "not-to-do stuff" is KSing...
I have a much better example.

let's say it's a group picnic. Anyone can go up and get any food they want. I walk up and take a hot dog, and start eating it. You, seeing that I have a hot dog, suddenly decide that you want one, but instead of going to get your own, you just walk up and start eating mine while I'm already eating it. You don't look to see if there are other hot dogs that aren't currently in someone's mouth, or if there are even any hot dogs at all.

What's worse still is that most of the people who would do that would not only just walk up to any random person and start eating theirs, but they'd look for the weakest individual, let's say a little boy eating a hot dog, and take theirs, instead of trying to take it from someone who could defend themselves against it.

Yeah, hope that made this sound as ridiculous as it actually is. >_>

[Findings]

I'm sure that happens sometimes, but I doubt that there would be many of them. Wouldn't it just be best to leave them be? They'll get sick of it eventually, and they'll leave it and somebody can kill it when they do. No point trying to force them out. If they can survive there, let them have their fun if they got there first. There could have been another high level person there anyway, meaning that you couldn't have had it anyway. Why should levels be rights? (Though I would never agree with people there just to loot)

I don't think that a person can claim a boss before it has spawned. Meaning that saying "cc plz" at a map where a boss will spawn is something that I don't agree with. Once it has spawned though, people walking in and killing it if another person is is just plain rude.
Yeah, okay, Nexon made it so that people could do that. But it's really just treating others how you want to be treated.
I sometimes hunt snowman miniboss. I don't like it when another person walks in and instead of leaving, they KS me.

What is "best" isn't something that can be realistically deciphered. People have been spending hours and hours killing bosses since they've been released. Whether or not someone will stay for 6 hours to finish off a Pianus isn't something that can be predicted if you don't know them personally. Everyone that kills bosses isn't selfish and concerned with being the only person there, when someone comes to kill your Pianus they aren't necessarily trying to "force you out." Levels aren't rights and I never said anything suggesting they were.

Please stop saying things like "it's just plain rude" and providing no justification as to why it is other than "I said so." I do treat others how I want to be treated.


I can't believe you're actually trying to justify this, Findings...

Her example wasn't horribly biased, it was a regular example that has happened to tons of people, myself included with my 57 mule. And yes, your counterexample would make the guy an ass too.

It was biased to one side and didn't tell the tale of those who were "trying to KS him," yes. Just as my example didn't put much into the DK's story. If you really think people need to spend years earning their skills on populated servers I have nothing more to say to you. Maple Story is a video game, and should never be taken that seriously.


I think you're being too technical here. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but MOST people would leave, leading that to be the norm so that when people dont relinquish this "right" of theirs, then people become appalled.

The ign in your info bar on the side doesnt exist on rankings so i have no idea what level you really are but it says hunter so I'll assume you arent aware or involved with "elite politics", which also plays a factor into this. Yes, these bosses are free for all, but that doesnt stop one guild from ksing the other because someone "ksed their anego" or something. The guild "ksing" could argue that its free for all, but that wont prevent the guild that "got ksed" from starting a ks war at skeles or newties or something. Perhaps its just a Scania thing, perhaps its trans-server, I dont know but Im just saying that's how it works. Back in the day, you can stay in the altar for hours on end because there was no timer before/after it. Can we say "Nexon made zakum without a timer so people can hold it so no one else can zak and they can monopolize Z-helm prices and keep them at 200 mill a piece"? You tell me.

Finding HH has nothing to do with your sleep sched, dont go around saying "If you have a normal sleep schedule" nonsense because it's not true. People live all over the world, people sleep at different times, it's just the way things work.

I agree that "we who dont ks other people's bosses are not superior in any way" but at the same time, that doesnt mean we're looking down on you with disdain. We're not out to get you, we're merely voicing our opinions. It is somewhat hypocritical that you insist and call Isaac (and others) egotistical for thinking that their way of looking at it is right when the basis of you calling them egotistical (that theirs is the only right way, at least you perceive to be so) is that they dont agree with you.

The entire topic has been about technicality since people began calling strangers that they don't know personally assholes for merely killing boss in a certain way. I've tried to leave what I do personally out of it as much as possible, but morons can't seem to help but assume that because I understand and sympathize with people that "KS" bosses I have to be one of them.

I suppose I should have clarified "EST/PST" sleep schedule, since that's the only time it would be difficult to find HH.

I have multiple 4th job characters and I've been in Scania and experienced the "elite politics" you speak of. Yes, Zakum was originally FFA, and fortunately Nexon caught on to how much it sucked that way. It's surprising they haven't done the same for Pianus (or at the least, the drops), considering it has a lot of the same problems.

It has nothing at all to do with them not agreeing with me, it has to do with them not agreeing with the way Nexon has made the game and taking their frustration out on other players. As you may have noticed, what I've typed here isn't an opinion or a belief, it's a reiteration of the game mechanics that, for some odd reason, people have a hard time grasping.

If people are referring to themselves as "decent/civilized people" or calling others that don't play exactly the same way they do various names, how is that not looking down on them? Exactly, people are voicing mere opinions and think so highly of themselves that those opinions are how the game works.


Don't you think the fact that everyone is arguing against you should tell you a little something about your viewpoint here? Socially, in game, it is considered rude to start attacking a monster that someone else is attacking. It doesn't matter if it's a level 10 beginner fighting a green snail or a level 200 fighting Anego, they were there first, and if you even have the tiniest bit of respect for your fellow players you will not disrupt their playing of the game. By attacking that boss, or snail, or whatever it is that they are fighting, you are showing an extreme amount of rudeness and disrespect. Wouldn't telling the person who has already been killing this boss for 10-15 minutes "TOO BAD FFA" be depriving them of the choice to get their items?

In your little DK example up there, it really comes down to whether they're capable of actually defeating the boss. A level 50 Spearman could easily take any hit that HH has to dish out, but that doesn't mean he can kill it. If a 100 DK can't hit it enough to get over the HP regen then he obviously doesn't stand a chance of killing it. These kinds of people usually request help when they're coming in. Besides the fact that a 12x archer couldn't survive pianus attacks and hunting for SE 20 at that level is horribly inefficient, and that there are very few casual players who actually go to bosses, which pretty much renders the whole scenario moot, that DK would inevitably get bored or annoyed with messing with that Pianus.

"FFA" is an excuse used solely by greedy, rude, disrespectful people who are only interested in their own benefit of the scenario. They attack the boss to steal the drops, they attack it to sap the EXP, but for no reason do they ever do it for a good motive. It is purely out of a selfish desire to benefit. It's pretty rare that anyone actually "needs" something from a boss. Even when they do, it's normally not something that actually requires them to KS to get. I have a good example of this in the Bosshunter armor. To create bosshunter Helmet, I needed a Tengu nose. Rather than go around and KS people who are already fighting it just because I need something, I politely ask them for the nose, should it drop. They always agree; after all, it's not something they need, and I don't have to bother them. If anyone ever needs a Headless Horseman head, I will gladly do the same. Quests are pretty much the only time when you actually need to participate in the slaying of the boss, and the only bosses which are actually required are Area Bosses, with relatively short spawn times, and Pianus, where you can simply be partied and wait outside the door until it dies to get the item you need. All of these examples require a mere request on the part of the newcomer to the person already here rather than inciting conflict by blindly and greedily diving into battle.

KSing is inherently rude, because it displays a lack of respect and common courtesy. How can you say that these rules apply to one set of monsters and not another? It is not in some way "Egotistical" to not want to ruin someone's fun. People who do go around and deliberately use this little "FFA" argument to justify their KSing are not the kind of people most want to associate with. If they do it to the wrong person, then they'll probably find themselves harassed. Naturally someone under this "FFA" ideology would avoid these people in the big guilds to not get harassed. So why is it only fair for people who aren't in big guilds to get harassed? It isn't.

Oh yeah, not to mention that KSing of any kind is against the ToS, so the FFA argument is disestablished there.

The fact that people are arguing against bosses being FFA is no surprise to me whatsoever, no. That is the kind of community that plays this game. It is rude to attack a monster that someone else is attacking when there are 19 other channels of the same monster available, yes, but when you're talking about a monster that has an impact on one's life because of how much time is needed to hunt them, no, that isn't rude, and anyone who is really "decent" or "civilized" would be able to understand that. They also wouldn't throw the term respect around so loosely that it could apply to how one goes about killing a boss in Maple Story. There are an infinite amount of things that can disrupt a player's game, so that is a flat out ridiculous thing to bring up. There are things that could negatively affect someone and in the end benefit them, but it is pointless to discuss due to the exponential possibilities. Getting items isn't ever a choice aside from at the Gachapon machine. You're trying too hard to compare actual entities (bosses) to potential entities. Actual entities, within the bounds of the game, I mean.

Do not pretend that you have experience at Pianus and say things like "These kinds of people usually request help when they're coming in" when you later prove that you don't by saying 12X Archers don't have enough HP to kill it efficiently. For one, HB mules have been around forever, and also pretty much everyone will begin HP washing at about that time so that Pap can be soloed by 140. Only 3600 HP is needed for the left side, and what you don't have can easily be made up for with HP equips. I hunted SE from Pianus myself right when 4th job came out and saved a couple hundred mil. I gained four levels hunting it from Sharks, finding it there just doesn't work because of how bad the map is for Archers. The gelts I had saved made the whole thing a breeze.

FFA is not an "excuse" of all things. LOL. Just because someone plays the game according to the rules that are in place doesn't mean they want them to be that way, and wouldn't prefer that they be changed. Why do you think that people think they own bosses? It's exactly the same reason, they are greedy and want everything they see for themselves. They aren't any better than how you describe people that share everything. Your solution to bosses being difficult to find requires that you rely on the aid of others. There's nothing wrong with that, but there are some that like doing things on their own. And items that aren't untradeable and unneeded present a problem here.

Common courtesy is relative. If you want to exercise it, it is your own business. But expecting people to follow your own imaginary rules (especially in a worldwide game with an uncountable amount of cultures) is simply delusional. I've specified above why it applies to one set of monsters and not the other. It is egotistical to label people and tell them they're in the wrong when they're doing something that is perfectly understandable, something they may not want to be doing but have to do in order to get anywhere. Definitely egotistical to a mental degree when they are in the wrong because of a rule that exists in your head, and saying that because they kill bosses a different way they are "not the kind of people you want to associate with" exemplifies this. People that kill bosses regardless of the circumstance would never find themselves harassed because they aren't as sensitive and self absorbed as the people in this topic. Killing with other people around wouldn't be anything new. The big guilds that you mention are almost always a joke and are overhyped, people that are scared of them usually only are because of hearsay.

If KSing of any kind weren't allowed a couple hundred people would be banned every GM summoning event. However, they aren't, because those monsters are intended to be killed right then and there. It's the exact same thing with any boss that allows anyone to join in the fun.

The post about comparing Maple Story to real life was so dumb that I'm just going to assume everything about it was a joke. There wouldn't be any prisons or...picnics in a society where everyone was looking out solely for their own survival.

[GMSInfighter]

Findings, it's quite simple that even your apparent small brain can understand it! :f2:

Let me break it down just so I don't strain that little thing up there.

It is very rude and disrespectful to just go up to someone and say "Hey this your boss? Not anymore". Yes the game was made for FFA, but not for KSing.

It's about 6 against 1 in this thread. Pretty much saying "Give up".

[Lerk]

Yes, Zakum was originally FFA, and fortunately Nexon caught on to how much it sucked that way.

Zakum was never FFA. Pre-Zakum Squadron it was at best similar to Papulatus: Altar available to those who had completed the quests, but as soon as you summoned Zakum, the altar closed. No chance for random interference from other players.


It is rude to attack a monster that someone else is attacking when there are 19 other channels of the same monster available, yes, but when you're talking about a monster that has an impact on one's life because of how much time is needed to hunt them, no, that isn't rude...

So, you're agreeing that it takes a large amount of time to hunt a boss... and then you say it's not rude to make other users waste the time they spend to hunt a boss they find only so you can pop in later, outdamage them and loot the drops.

...Can you not see the problem with that?

[Findings]

Findings, it's quite simple that even your apparent small brain can understand it! :f2:

Let me break it down just so I don't strain that little thing up there.

It is very rude and disrespectful to just go up to someone and say "Hey this your boss? Not anymore". Yes the game was made for FFA, but not for KSing.

It's about 6 against 1 in this thread. Pretty much saying "Give up".

"I have nothing to say that hasn't already been covered, but I'm going to post just to feel better about myself."

Let me explain something very simple to you, read what you're responding to before responding to it.


Zakum was never FFA. Pre-Zakum Squadron it was at best similar to Papulatus: Altar available to those who had completed the quests, but as soon as you summoned Zakum, the altar closed. No chance for random interference from other players.

It was different than the typical bosses that you could just waltz into, yes. But I still would call it FFA just because anybody, unwanted or not, could get into the altar if they were past the door. I would never call it public though.



So, you're agreeing that it takes a large amount of time to hunt a boss... and then you say it's not rude to make other users waste the time they spend to hunt a boss they find only so you can pop in later, outdamage them and loot the drops.

...Can you not see the problem with that?

I see no problem with that at all. Everyone's time has an equal amount of worth regardless of what they've been through. The example I used was only used to show the other side of the spectrum. Just because someone has been hunting their 4th job skills for a couple months, or had spent hours looking through channels and ending up getting lucky doesn't mean that their effort put forth has accumulated value over that period. The DK and the BM in my example both have the same right to be there.

[GummyBear]

I dont see the needs to KS anyone trying to hunt HH. I myself have given away several HH, for various reasons including friends, a stranger happens to hunt at the same time, etc. I have found several people come in, see me killing one, leave. That mutual respect works both ways. I leave them alone, they leave me alone, we both ended up finding our own HH, and we both get what we wanted.

However, I have had situations where someone KSing me even tho they saw me killing one. Needless to say, I fight for my kill, but a little curtosy goes a long way. You may have the advantage at that time, but may not next time. Mutual respect goes a long way whether its FFA or not.

[Pikachu]

Reminds me of this time when I was 7x and cakes were not FFA. I found one in Henesys and 15 minutes into the battle a 15x Shadower came. Luckily I out damaged her by a little bit and got all the maple drops. I gave some to the person who originally found it though because I felt bad =/.

[Alloy]

Actually, my post wasn't that ridiculous. I exagerated it, yeah. But, you see? Being an ass is something only you can control. And in a multiplayer game like this, it's something up to you.

Yes, the game is made so you can be an ass. Ok, be it. But don't complain.