About Elemental wand

[CrazyNomad]

idk if its already posted, but just saw at nexon forum

http://forum.nexon.net/MAPLESTORY/forums/3/1527358/ShowThread.aspx#1527358


I am sorry for any confusion.

This is as intended, we did not mention that this item will ever have a elemental property. Please do not confuse MapleStory with another server as our items and features will not all be the same.

Thank you and happy Mapling. ^_^

Sincerely,

GM Lallent
Nexon America, Inc.

so it's mean the elemental wont have the elemental bonus? i think nexon just scammed alot of ppls LOL

discuss~~

[Devil]

I think this has to do with NLC potions (which other versions don't have) in combination with Ice / Fire Full-Screen AoE attacks... If those would be made even more stronger, then the gameplay would suffer extremely for other classes...

I think that's also why they made Crimson Guardians, good exp/hp, immune to all sorts of elements, so Bish/AM can't take over the maps...

I would say, Nexon FINALLY did something for game-balance... :)

[Tigeon]

I think this has to do with NLC potions (which other versions don't have) in combination with Ice / Fire Full-Screen AoE attacks... If those would be made even more stronger, then the gameplay would suffer extremely for other classes...

I think that's also why they made Crimson Guardians, good exp/hp, immune to all sorts of elements, so Bish/AM can't take over the maps...

I would say, Nexon FINALLY did something for game-balance... :)

This is probally the main reason, because our pots do make spamming the mage ultimas acutaly pratical. Unlike other versions who dont have nlc, I belive they have to use a pot that heals 80% hp and mp for 12k.
And even with versions with nlc (tms), their pot prices are different. Our ginseng/gingerale(forgot which one is higher) is 3.6k, tms has them for 16k.

[godofturtles]

Are you kidding me? This is not balance, they just slapped every arch mage in the face and made us forever owned by bishops.

[Horusmaster]

where is it? How come i couldn't find it on nexon forum?

[CrazyNomad]

someone sent a ticket asking why it wasn't working, and gm lallent asnwered that, and he posted on that thread -hime- made to report bug/glitchs of patch .59

[Tamekii]

Congratz Nexon on ruining another item that should be godly?:D

[Erich]

they could of at least nerfed the elemental bonus down instead of taking it down all together :redface:

glad I made a future bishop :D

[nannerz]

Wow that totally sucks for archmages x_x I am glad I am making a bishop, but really, that's unfair.

[Erich]

Wow that totally sucks for archmages x_x I am glad I am making a bishop, but really, that's unfair.

but if they had implemented them, wed still be moaning :P

[nannerz]

But I totally expected the elemental boost/penalty to be implemented so I hadn't considered getting one...until now

[Fiel]

Well, the information for the elemental properties are in the WZ files. I don't know why they would have not coded that in.

[Erich]

Well, the information for the elemental properties are in the WZ files. I don't know why they would have not coded that in.

because they dont wanna "unbalance the game"
its already hermitstory, its unbalanced enough already

[randompeep]

^
Then wouldn't that mean they have to nerf the NLs, too?

[Silence]

Well, the information for the elemental properties are in the WZ files. I don't know why they would have not coded that in.

Fiel... i was wondering... do u kno how the bonuses are actaully coded in?

i mean why would the bother with the elemental properties, if they're not plannin to have them, since they changed the names, not too difficult to remove the properties?.... or is nexon just lazy... or they do INTEND to put them in? O_O

[Tamekii]

Well, the information for the elemental properties are in the WZ files. I don't know why they would have not coded that in.

Because they want us to be pissed,after waiting for a lot of time...

GJ Nexon :)!

[Nelon]

Wow, that is pretty stupid. They could at least have made it clear earlier...

[DrRusty]

The whole purpose behind Elemental wands was to lesson the cost of ultimate spamming by making the mages stronger. There's also a poison and lightnin wand to help with single target damage. The thing is, we have cheap pots that allow us to spam our ultimates without hurting the wallet to much. Honestly I think this is a good move on Nexon's part.

Insanely cheap pots + an elemental boost to a mages element? That way to much if u ask me. Its either one or the other.

[Corn]

So now we have four different wands, four different staffs, that have the same stats, same level requirement, same stat requirement....but look different?

Ah well, lukless mages at least get some advantage.

[Chameleonic]

If this it true it sucks for the people who spent billions on an Elemental weapon expecting it to have the bonus added in the next patch.

[Silence]

The whole purpose behind Elemental wands was to lesson the cost of ultimate spamming by making the mages stronger. There's also a poison and lightnin wand to help with single target damage. The thing is, we have cheap pots that allow us to spam our ultimates without hurting the wallet to much. Honestly I think this is a good move on Nexon's part.

Insanely cheap pots + an elemental boost to a mages element? That way to much if u ask me. Its either one or the other.

lol....well... even if they did intend not to put elemental bonuses.... they didn't even bother to inform or mention to us...

elemental boost + cheap pots? is too much... lol

the only thing good about this is.... good for bishops and good for nexon...

i'll like to add... for mages it's roughly 1 mana bull per ultimate... it is cheaper than other servers... but without hb... it is still very costly for AM's...

[Avus]

They could have just made it not work with Blizzard and Meteo.
So much for us Mage gaining some ground on other jobs at bossing...
How typically Nexon tho.

Tymen.

[Cyanne]

Well, they forgot about bishops then, lol >_>

[Holypie]

@ 2 post^ yep that's damn right. typical nexon the stupid AM/paladin/shadower haters they are =.="

[Avus]

Well, they forgot about bishops then, lol >_>

They should add Holy ones too, I never got what they didn't.

Tymen.

[godofturtles]

The whole purpose behind Elemental wands was to lesson the cost of ultimate spamming by making the mages stronger. There's also a poison and lightnin wand to help with single target damage. The thing is, we have cheap pots that allow us to spam our ultimates without hurting the wallet to much. Honestly I think this is a good move on Nexon's part.

Insanely cheap pots + an elemental boost to a mages element? That way to much if u ask me. Its either one or the other.

You don't seem to count the fact that bishops who were never supposed to have these weapons have access to the same pots as arch mages, plus your ultimate is WAY cheaper. The new pots are great, but its still obnoxiously expensive to cast bliz or meteor unless you have a hb mule. Nexon just gave the mage class a big middle finger.

And no, they should NEVER EVER EVER add a holy weapon, bishops are perfect the way they are and don't need more power to go along with their already cheap mp cost. You are the most useful class, and the fastest 4th job lvlers, what more do you want?

[kleptophobia]

because they dont wanna "unbalance the game"
its already hermitstory, its unbalanced enough already lolbishops.

All this does is make lukless bishops potentially more powerful, it doesn't help with the arch mages nearly as much until we get the time temple (and even then for some reason the fire things are not weak to ice)... Honestly this deserve a good old punch in the groin for Nexon. Why did they make so many types? ...If they are all basically the same (per level group, 70,105,130,163).

[Avus]

The new pots are great, but its still obnoxiously expensive to cast bliz or meteor unless you have a hb mule.
Lol I did train w/o a HB mule for a few 2x exp's with a friend of mine I lost 9m per 4 hours.

Nexon just gave the mage class a big middle finger.
Amen.

Tymen.

[Cyanne]

They should add Holy ones too, I never got what they didn't.

Tymen.

You must be joking, there is no way that bishops need these.

[RoxStarz]

The humourous thing about the reply ticket is the "what, you thought elemental looking wands that are elemental in other versions are going to be elemental here too???" type of response. What else were we supposed to think?

[Holypie]

yea, they ALREADY have cheap ultimates, godly party skills, powerful single target, what the hell else could you want? our ONLY advantage? and they're called ELEMENTAL staffs

[godofturtles]

My lvl 9 bliz hurts my wallet a LOT because I started this mage on a whim and never even intended to go anywhere with it. But it was my first lukless i/l and it was too good lol, so I ended up at lvl 120 with only enough to really bliz my way to 13x. Now I almost never level because bliz got too expensive when I raised it to 9. I'm even being pressured to raise it to 20 and that would make me constantly broke even with the NLC pots. These weapons were my hope to finally be dealing enough damage to help lessen the cost and put us on par with bishops, but if this is for real then quitting my mage isn't looking like a bad idea right now.

[Harrisonized]

Look at it this way, they added godly lukless weapons that benefit everyone. Now you can truly laugh at me for having a 98 luk base, because now it would truly be impossible for a luk mage to catch up to a lukless mage. (Whereas before, there was a certain combination of equips that allowed a luk mage to be stronger than a lukless mage)

And the elemental weapons aren't even as rare as the ones in other versions. I heard that in MSEA, the elemental weapons are just as rare as a white scroll.

BTW, this means cheap elemental weapons for all, and just treat them as another update item, like how they implemented the blade staff or the pyogo, or what other items they put in the gach machine.

All I can say is GG to those trying so desperately to gain the advantage and getting it shoved back in their faces. :f2:

[Corn]

Look at it this way, they added godly lukless weapons that benefit everyone. Now you can truly laugh at me for having a 98 luk base, because now it would truly be impossible for a luk mage to catch up to a lukless mage. (Whereas before, there was a certain combination of equips that allowed a luk mage to be stronger than a lukless mage)

And the elemental weapons aren't even as rare as the ones in other versions. I heard that in MSEA, the elemental weapons are just as rare as a white scroll.

BTW, this means cheap elemental weapons for all, and just treat them as another update item, like how they implemented the blade staff or the pyogo, or what other items they put in the gach machine.

All I can say is GG to those trying so desperately to gain the advantage and getting it shoved back in their faces. :f2:

Even with the elemental advantage luk mages were still screwed.

[godofturtles]

All I can say is GG to those trying so desperately to gain the advantage and getting it shoved back in their faces. :f2:

I don't even know how to respond to this. You're a fire arch mage, are you for real? Have fun getting owned by bishops in every way.

[Harrisonized]

I don't even know how to respond to this. You're a fire arch mage, are you for real? Have fun getting owned by bishops in every way.
I could care less about what damages other people can do. :f6:
I don't see why you seem so concerned that other people are beating you in terms of damage.

BTW, I found this while browsing the mage section of sleepywood.

http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1481722


hate to say this but.... i got a similar response. worded differently so def not an automated reply. it was from the same GM. lemme go login to CnP it....

please don;t laugh at my ticket i filed it late at night before bed :P

so my question exactly as sent:


Date/Time Opened 08/15/2008 06:30:18 PM

Date/Time Closed 08/22/2008 12:18:54 AM

Game Select MapleStory

Category Tech Support / Bug Report

Sub-Category Performance

Status Closed

Subject Elemental Wand/Staff ptch.59

Description Hi There---

I'd like to file a bug report for the new elemental wands and staves. Gosh, As an IL arch mage I have been dreaming of these and ddin't think I'd see one before I hit 200! Now that they are out I have charged 200$ extra NX in anticipation to Gacha until I get one--but a HUGE problem--they do not function as intented! T_T There is no elemental dmg boost when an Ice mage uses an Ice-Based staff/wand.

I'm hoping others have sent in tickets about this issue and you will consider fixing it ASAP. This is a much needed boost to the Mage community as we are dying off so fast to the Bishop class! I'll hit lvl 192 this weekend and have only 8 more "trainable" levels to use this weapon and am so afraid it won;t be fixed to it's intended use. Please consider this as with the most recent patch ILs have again been shafted as we cannot even attack the worthwhile monsters in the first part of CrimsonWood keep--I mean 1 dmg @ lvl 191 is total fail T_T

Thanks for reading and kind regards,
Tamara


and the exact reply cut n pasted:


Comment

08/22/2008 12:18:50 AM | GM Lallent



Greetings,

I am sorry you feel there is an error.

I will look into this for any possible issues, please refer to our website Nexon.net for post on any issues found. You may also like to try our new Bug/Glitch forum to report any bugs you find or find out about known issues.

Also understand that this is Global MapleStory and it may not have all the same exact items as other servers, please do not base this servers expectations on other severs.

Thank you and patience is treasured.

Sincerely,

GM Lallent
Nexon America, Inc.

[Erich]

I could care less about what damages other people can do. :f6:
I don't see why you seem so concerned that other people are beating you in terms of damage.

BTW, I found this while browsing the mage section of sleepywood.

http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1481722

he got owned ._.

[godofturtles]

I care because these weapons were supposed to give arch mages the advantage they needed, but now they are only making lukless bishops even more unbeatable.

[wobbufet]

I care because these weapons were supposed to give arch mages the advantage they needed, but now they are only making lukless bishops even more unbeatable.

They give the same boost to AM's and Bishops, so stop complaining how its making bishops so good.... besides AMs are still one of the easy classes to train. If you need money so badly go spam blizzard at WS => easy money.

[Rayquaza2233]

They give the same boost to AM's and Bishops, so stop complaining how its making bishops so good....

Well, they give (gave?) 1.25x to the primary element, 1.1x to the secondary, and 0.75x to everything else. Holy is an element.

[butterfλi]

LOL
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OWNED!!

The only thing that makes them worth it now is that the level 130 weapons are only unbalanced in matk. Level 130 lukless weapon with 14x matk.

[Bribery]

Chances are the first GM had no idea what he/she was talking about. Another possibility is that Nexon didn't want to admit their mistake. The Elemental bonus is in the data, it just hasn't been applied to the weapons for whatever reason. If they intended on keeping these weapons without the elemental properties then there would be no reason to have the bonuses in the data.

Ironically, these weapons in their current state are helping Bishops more than Arch Mages.

[motomage]

alot of you still dont seem to get the imbalance between bishop/mage and what these wepaons would have done -_____-

potion prices in global dont matter, the argument that because mages can afford to spam blizzard and meteor in global compared to how its even more broken in other versions compared to bishop is failed. Bishops in other versions can afford spamming genesis just because they dont have AMP, THANK GOD that nexon has cheap % based potions in global or the job would be trashed, as it has been in many other versions because of amp + potion cost. Even accounting the cheap MP in global, genesis and its lower potion cost/elemental advantage on currently released mobs still gives it a huge advantage over blizzard/meteor.

I've also heard the argument it dosent matter because mages have the new MA potions available in NLC, which is another lame argument considering how useful the potions are and how easy they are to acquire lol im going on 6 hours for my first fuel cell in hopes of getting 2 potions that add 1k MA for 5 seconds

As for price, this dosent help the matter at all, 145 ma lukless lvl 130 staff that everyone can use? bishops make up the majority of the magic community, if anything its going to inflate prices more. Theres a ton active bishops on every server loaded with money and willing to spend a ton for these weapons, good luck to mages who if they want the MA boost now have to compete with a much larger market for the weapons. Which wont even matter in the end, its not going to change the fact that bishops still have all the advantages and 20-30 MA gain wont change that

Having these weapons not give the proper elemental advantages breaks the mage/bishop balance even more and any hope that there was of mages getting some type of advantage in this game to fix the class post 4th job (unless nexon has something they're planning thats exclusive to global and coming, but i wouldn't be holding out for that)

Bishops already have everything people want for parties/bossing + an ultimate that takes half the cost, casts faster in a game where most of the popular maps are holy weak. These weapons were it, they were supposed to fix mages and give them something that gives us an advantage in at least attacking.

I keep hope in the fact though that nexon employees who reply via customer support inquires are often wrong and not informed, which is the feeling i get from his reply :f7:

[LoyalOath]

Ok it sucks that your elemental staffs/wands aren't working, and may never work but at least be happy that you have an ult. I don't know about other servers, but in windia I hardly ever see skeles full which is the only holy weak mob that a bishop actually has an advantage at, weakness wise, where a strong arch mage can still kill in 2 hits, even one, if they're a high enough level, where as most other classes are lucky if they can kill 1 in 2 hits. So it does indeed suck that you may not get elemental wands but your class is still good without them Bishops might be considered better but really there's always one section of a class that stands out as "better" than the others despite the fact that they're all good in their own ways.

[butterfλi]

Ok it sucks that your elemental staffs/wands aren't working, and may never work but at least be happy that you have an ult. I don't know about other servers, but in windia I hardly ever see skeles full which is the only holy weak mob that a bishop actually has an advantage at, weakness wise, where a strong arch mage can still kill in 2 hits, even one, if they're a high enough level, where as most other classes are lucky if they can kill 1 in 2 hits. So it does indeed suck that you may not get elemental wands but your class is still good without them Bishops might be considered better but really there's always one section of a class that stands out as "better" than the others despite the fact that they're all good in their own ways.

You have to understand why these weapons are so important to archmages. They revolutionize not training for archmages, but bossing. They're still not as strong as NL with apples and sharp eyes so the NLs still hold their specialty of 1v1 damage. These weapons are not taking away the high 1v1 damage of heroes, BMs and NLs. They're not even equalizing the damage of archmages at bossing versus other jobs. It just makes them less suck at bosses.

Imagine how many bandits would be pissed if the str shields (dragon khanjars) didn't give any weapon bonus. 18atk is worth a lot to them. 125% boost in damage is a lot to archmages.

[Silence]

saved up all that meso for nothing =(

[Tikey]

Wow, gg Nexon. This seriously makes me want to quit. The only reason why I wanted the elemental bonus was so I can solo bosses faster without the ungodly costs of perfect scrolling or leveling. Now I probably won't ever get to see this.

Taking 3-4 hours just to solo Zakum's arms is not fun. :(

[Molly]

i see harrison posted my GM response from SW....ty.

i've sent in a response to that GMs vague reply imploring gMS to implement the elemental attributes. The FP and IL community need this weapon to stave off class extinction. 25% additional damage with corresponding element is wonderful, but nothing compared to damage dealt by other classes. So have no fear of us ever becoming a bossing powerhouse.

We are ismply overlooked for most things and finally this weapon comes made JUST FOR US-and it's broken. How many more lolmage can Nexon pull before the remaining mages up and quit? I think any mage will tell you we love our shiny skills, our wonderful wand and staff toys and really needed this boost to the community. I'm so disheartened at this point.

Merchanters and meso selling guilds in windia are snapping these things up to the tune of 2bil each. The only solace at this point if it remains unchanged, is the fact that all those people will be screwed all that money for a regular wand. Be it lukless or not, the MA boost isn't worth the price at all.

[wobbufet]

Well, they give (gave?) 1.25x to the primary element, 1.1x to the secondary, and 0.75x to everything else. Holy is an element.

What are you trying to say?

[Fiel]

I don't believe that the elemental wands give a direct multiplier to damage. I'm pretty sure it gives a direct multiplier to Magic Attack. The identifier for the multiplier in the WZ files is "incRMAI". In this case, it stands for "Increase Magic Attack Ice". Any magician should know that a 1.25 multiplier to Magic Attack is far, far better than a 1.25 multiplier to damage.

[Stereo]

We are ismply overlooked for most things and finally this weapon comes made JUST FOR US-and it's broken. How many more lolmage can Nexon pull before the remaining mages up and quit? I think any mage will tell you we love our shiny skills, our wonderful wand and staff toys and really needed this boost to the community. I'm so disheartened at this point.

Really, there has never been a lack of Magicians. They used to be consistently about 40% of the population (over 3 classes). That's actually risen - over 50% of the top 1000 are Magicians, and it's still 41% of the top 10,000.

[Haiku]

I agree with butterfli, with those wands AMs could have had standing chance to solo bosses like the other classes do with reasonable time (and maybe being more welcome at HT?). It's understandable for a Bishop to not be as effective at soloing bosses, because they have other skills that are more suited to supporting the attackers like heal & res. Nowhere in the description of Arch Mage does it list supporting as a function, nor are they capable of doing that; they needed that damage boost for single-target DPS. Given the difference between MA and WA, they obviously don't stand a chance at competing with BMs, NLs, and Heroes.. and they don't have useful or necessary party skills like DKs.. and there are even people who complain that CL causes lag/DC (which is BS; it's no worse than the ~10+ or so NLs, BMs, and Heroes spamming away at TT+SP, Hurricane, & Brandish <_<).

Stereo is correct about the vastness of the Magician population, but just how many of them are Priests/Bishops? Especially out of levels 16x+ when the costs really start to hurt? Hell, that's probably a question better left unanswered. It should be taken into account though that a lot of those players have quit and it's more than likely not the Bishops that have the highest quitrate of the three subclasses. If Bishops had a crappy 4th job, I betcha the prices on all things INT would drop by a more than considerable amount. They were a good class with reasonable balance before Genesis, but with it they're just plain broken.

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As for "who cares if Bishops are better than you"? Obviously AMs care. Considering they're a class that is meant to attack and unable to support, while a Bishop can run around doing both better than any other class. They can even train for free by selling leech services without their %/hour suffering due to HS with money left to spare to work on equips w/ the lower MP costs (they're the most desirable class for this in the eyes of the leecher as well & don't have to charge as much for it to be profittable). Add to that that they're welcome at the majority of bosses for even more income. Nope, not done yet, with Invi & ER training is even cheaper & there's a significantly lower risk of 1hko due to a badly timed ultimate cast. They're just plain broken, there's just no denying it. No one has any hope of being "better" than them, so y'might as well just not compare the other classes to them.

That being said.. AMs were given a skill that was supposed to make them stronger (AMP) with a negative side effect (MP cost) and a skill that was supposed to make them faster. Bishops don't have these skills, the least an AM could expect is that they would still be stronger and faster even if the MP cost was outrageous. Instead, they are neither of the above and still the MP cost is outrageous. Elemental weapons in training were supposed to help even out the damage and the cost, and potentially make other skills worth using for training AND bossing (Paralyze and Chain Lightning @ new areas anyone?). While it's worth noting that Global has the best pots available for the spamming of ults, that doesn't change the other uses for the elemental weapons (bossing, training effectively with other skills, etc).

Personally I wanted them so I could have a hope of using CL to train. I'm quite fond of the skill, and wouldn't mind if they made the wands/staves nonfunctioning with all 3 ultimates. Honestly, that sounds like the best way to me. :/

[Cyanne]

^Ultimates should never have been introduced into the game if bishops got a skill that gives them exp rates equivalent to other classes and archmages got stronger bossing abilities.


Really, there has never been a lack of Magicians. They used to be consistently about 40% of the population (over 3 classes). That's actually risen - over 50% of the top 1000 are Magicians, and it's still 41% of the top 10,000.

Too bad over 75% of the magicians you're talking about are bishops, lol. She's referring to elemental mages and archmages specifically, not all magicians.

[Kabanaw]

Who cares ifr our pots are cheaper so we can train with ults? The class that benefits the most from this is already bishops. Without the elemental weapons, AMs do crap dmg at bosses. Let's say an AM has a 163 ice stave, and is being compared to a bishop using a dragon staff. The bishop would be doing 670X1.5=1005 base dmg to skeles, while the AM would be doing 570 X 1.6 =912. With the elemental stave, the AM does a little less than 100 less base dmg to skeles, instead of over 200. And with the boost in dmg from the high amount of MA on the staff, maybe the damage would be almost comparable.

Basically all Nexon is doing by putting in 'elemental' wands/staves is getting tons of people to gacha for something they didn't expect. I mean, seriously, even someone who didn't even know that the existed would think that they had something to do with elements.

[Calvinist]

I dont think the fact they dont have elemental bonuses is that bad. They still give a lot of magic attack at high levels which is something Arch Mage's can enjoy. Arch mages are better at damaging bosses than bishops. These new wands only help them more. It's good! These staves have not changed anything in the game that wasn't there before. Only made the magician class overall stronger...which is good!

[Kabanaw]

I dont think the fact they dont have elemental bonuses is that bad. They still give a lot of magic attack at high levels which is something Arch Mage's can enjoy. Arch mages are better at damaging bosses than bishops. These new wands only help them more. It's good! These staves have not changed anything in the game that wasn't there before. Only made the magician class overall stronger...which is good!

No.

It's not good because these were not intended to just be high level weapons. They were made to be a fix to the broken state of Arch Mages. And besides, who cares if Arch Mages do better damage at bosses? Bishops aren't even an attacking class, so they still get invited to parties all the time.

And Elemental Weapon prices will go through the roof now because now all magicians can use them, while before only about 25% could.

[Calvinist]

No.

It's not good because these were not intended to just be high level weapons. They were made to be a fix to the broken state of Arch Mages. And besides, who cares if Arch Mages do better damage at bosses? Bishops aren't even an attacking class, so they still get invited to parties all the time.

And Elemental Weapon prices will go through the roof now because now all magicians can use them, while before only about 25% could.

Of course they are intended to be high level weapons! High levels can use them especially lukless ones. They make all classes magician incredibly stronger than what they were before. And from what I read here, about all Arch Mages do care about doing more damage at bosses. If you wanted to be a class for parties you shouldnt have made a mage to begin with. This is all obvious.

[Kabanaw]

Of course they are intended to be high level weapons! High levels can use them especially lukless ones. They make all classes magician incredibly stronger than what they were before. And from what I read here, about all Arch Mages do care about doing more damage at bosses. If you wanted to be a class for parties you shouldnt have made a mage to begin with. This is all obvious.


What? They're intended to be high level weapons for ARCH MAGES. It makes no sense for a support class to be stronger than an attacking class. Yes, it makes sense for Bishops to have a decent attack, but not a stronger one. And yeah, AMs care about doing more dmg at bosses, but not about doing more damage than bishops. Everyone does more dmg than Bishops! And what do you mean I shouldn't have made a mage if I wanted to party? I said that it's near impossible to find a bossing party, not a training party.

[Calvinist]

What? They're intended to be high level weapons for ARCH MAGES. It makes no sense for a support class to be stronger than an attacking class. Yes, it makes sense for Bishops to have a decent attack, but not a stronger one. And yeah, AMs care about doing more dmg at bosses, but not about doing more damage than bishops. Everyone does more dmg than Bishops! And what do you mean I shouldn't have made a mage if I wanted to party? I said that it's near impossible to find a bossing party, not a training party.


The supporting class isnt stronger than AMs. Only they're full screen attack is more efficient than an AM because of the current maps available. Once Arch Mages get better maps things will change, but it's not something to obsess over. And I'll say it again - these staves have helped AMs regardless of there being a elemental bonus on it or not! AMs can now be much stronger than what they were before. Finally, the same thing goes, if you wanted a character thats easily accepted into bossing/parties then a bishop would have been a wiser choice. Only one job of each class is usually dominant of getting chosen into parties.

[Technolink]

Cheap pots or elemental bonus.

Please pick. I for one say cheap pots because EVERYONE benefits. If they make this tMS everyone would have expensive pot prices.

C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.

Now L7 formula needs some dex in it and we're all good!

[randompeep]

He means better damage for half the MP.

Bishops already get all these supporting skills to aid themselves, too. AMs get, what, Medi? +20 MATK, oh I'm so scared! And yes, the staves did help AMs, but only a very little bit.

I'll compare the 163 staves with a Dragon Wand.
D. Wand- ~123
Ele. Staff- 181 (that was the only one I could find)

Thats about 3x Medi? Wow, big boost. If the elemental effect was added, you add a quarter of your MATK to your damage, plus that 3x Medi extra magic attack. and that was a bad staff, too.
However, Bishops can use these wands without penalty, making any advantage null and void.

edit: @Technolink: Yeah, AMP ups power, at 2x the mp. The NLC pots fill the mp gap, but for that much mp and time, Bishops do 2 Genesis spams, so there is still a damage gap. Yes, NL damage could be nerfed, but considering that Nexon handed them a 30 atk star, (albeit a hard to get one) I don't expect it to.

[Kabanaw]

Cheap pots or elemental bonus.

Please pick. I for one say cheap pots because EVERYONE benefits. If they make this tMS everyone would have expensive pot prices.

C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.

Now L7 formula needs some dex in it and we're all good!

For the love of god, stop saying that we shouldn't get elemental weapons because of NLC pots :hothead:

Stop assuming that the only thing that these would be used for is training. Personally, if I had to choose, I would coose the lightning staff for bossing because training is already fast enough already -_-

[godofturtles]

LOL I'd like to know how many opinions would be different if these weapons did work. This dumb NLC pot arguement wouldn't even exist. Now the bishops instead of saying "HAHA IN YOUR FACE" are trying to be even more insulting by suggesting some reasons why we don't even deserve them. Wow, just wow, if its not one thing its another.

[randompeep]

It would be twice, if not more, the trouble if NLs should ever get weakened. ._.

[Russt]

The supporting class isnt stronger than AMs. Only they're full screen attack is more efficient than an AM because of the current maps available.
And 99% of mages spam said full screen attack to train.


Once Arch Mages get better maps things will change, but it's not something to obsess over.
135% stronger (more like 120% due to the base attack difference), 200% more expensive. Maybe when attacks were 50 MP a cast that was a good trade-off, but not 3500.


And I'll say it again - these staves have helped AMs regardless of there being a elemental bonus on it or not! AMs can now be much stronger than what they were before.
Suppose, for some ludicrous reason, Nexon decided that everyone in the game would have a permanent +10% damage boost. Yay, AMs are stronger than they were before.
Strength is relative.


Finally, the same thing goes, if you wanted a character thats easily accepted into bossing/parties then a bishop would have been a wiser choice. Only one job of each class is usually dominant of getting chosen into parties.
I wanna revise that a little...
"If you wanted a character that's easily accepted into bossing/parties, levels faster, is cheaper to maintain, and does everything in general better, then a bishop would have been a wiser choice."
That's pretty much how it stands right now.

[Harrisonized]

I think the reason everyone's pissed is that Nexon didn't announce that the elementals wouldn't have a bonus. If they had, then certain people wouldn't have spent $100s to gach one.

It's those people driving the anger, but then again, it's also their fault for not researching after the people who already gached one declared that it didn't work.

[Stereo]

C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.

Why should Arch Mages pay 2x MP to be on an equal footing?

That's not why they spent 30 SP in 3rd job either...

[Cactuar]

Wait just one god damn minute here people. Has anyone seen screen shots of this letter? Did the guy open up a ticket and hear this? Where was this first stated?

As far as I've seen, none of that has happened. So, why the hell are people whining about it? Fiel and Isaac both said that they have the data to do it.

Of course, I could completely eat my words if someone showed me a screen shot of this being said.

[randompeep]

Well I have nothing on the ticket, but lol to the "Fiel (of another forum)" thing on the Leprechaun glitch.

We're really getting around if "southperry.net" is not allowed on Nexon forums.
(ok maybe not, but still)

[Russt]

Wait just one god damn minute here people. Has anyone seen screen shots of this letter? Did the guy open up a ticket and hear this? Where was this first stated?

As far as I've seen, none of that has happened. So, why the hell are people whining about it? Fiel and Isaac both said that they have the data to do it.

Of course, I could completely eat my words if someone showed me a screen shot of this being said.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/arkangel421/gggms.jpg

[IsaacGS]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/arkangel421/gggms.jpg
stolen from basil? because I place so very much trust in their accuracy. :/

Why doesn't someone here submit their own ticket? I'd be much more willing to trust that.

Still, the elemental amplifiers are in the weapon data, the names purely indicate that they have some attribute, and they really don't serve a purpose without it.

What's really going on, in my eyes, is that they are simply forgetting to enable the server (or would it be the .exe? I'm not sure.) to understand how the element amp works on weapons. That is to say, It's not intentionally disabled but rather disabled by mistake from a failure to adjust how weapon data is read.

[Cactuar]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/arkangel421/gggms.jpg

It's missing the ads to the left.

Well, since they have an SS of that, I have an SS of a GM admitting that they are meso sellers and it's okay. Let me get it for you!

[Russt]

-shrug-
I've heard several accounts of this and not just on Basil. This thread, for one.

Edit: Which ads to the left? I just went to the Nexon website and the left side looks exactly the same as in the pic if you scroll down some.

[randompeep]

Just logged a ticket. Please wait. :f3:

BTW, how do you make a pic of a website? I need to know how to post the tic up. Otherwise, it's up as a text file. :f7:

[Russt]

Print Screen, open MS Paint, paste.

[randompeep]

kthnx. ^_^ [/nubtalk]

[Hazzy]

C'mon, you already have AMP which makes up for the speed and 'weakness' of your summons vs bishop. Your pretty much on equal footing, don't get power hungry.

A third increase in your damage for double the price?
Would you pay twice your current rent for only a third more space? <_<

[Blankout]

Print Screen, open MS Paint, paste.

Or you can download a screenshot program, so all you have to do is press a button and the screenshot will be taken and saved.

[Stereo]

What's really going on, in my eyes, is that they are simply forgetting to enable the server (or would it be the .exe? I'm not sure.) to understand how the element amp works on weapons. That is to say, It's not intentionally disabled but rather disabled by mistake from a failure to adjust how weapon data is read.

More likely they didn't know it had the extra properties in the data, I mean they also forgot to include a hitbox in the KB animations of almost every monster in the Haunted Woods, as well Extra D's data is messed up and it's probably cause they copy-pasted badly. As far as I recall, there are at least 2 items where the stats are typoed and they haven't fixed those either (green jester is missing mdef, and Dark Lucida is missing a fame requirement, because the properties are spelled wrong)
-> http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Coat/01041124.img/index.html
regPOP should be reqPOP
-> http://www.southperry.net/database/Character/Cap/01002036.img/index.html
incMMD should be incMDD

I can see why people would expect them to work the same as other versions though, I mean they're even named Elemental.

[Cactuar]

-shrug-
I've heard several accounts of this and not just on Basil. This thread, for one.

Edit: Which ads to the left? I just went to the Nexon website and the left side looks exactly the same as in the pic if you scroll down some.

Err, I meant to the right.

Anyway, here's the SS I promised:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1282/gmsaysgx3.jpg

This is fake. I made this in about an hour. Could have been less but I did it a long and complicated way.

I apologize, it was a rather long reply. That GM used way too much white space.

Edit: BBS tags, I'm terrible with them.

[Taiketo]

... GM Zawmbee?

I love you Ben.

Anyway, even if this ticket is real, it doesn't hold much weight. GMs have said things that didn't happen before, this is really no different. I say we just wait and see, not much else we can do anyway...

[Blankout]

Nexon <3 bishops

[»-Chris->]

Fuck ya! I'm buying one for sure.

[Harrisonized]

Err, I meant to the right.

Anyway, here's the SS I promised:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1282/gmsaysgx3.jpg

This is fake. I made this in about an hour. Could have been less but I did it a long and complicated way.

I apologize, it was a rather long reply. That GM used way too much white space.

Edit: BBS tags, I'm terrible with them.
OMG, that was hilarious.
I guess you get banned now? :f2:
JK.

Anyways, without the elemental bonus, I guess everyone can afford these now since they're 'just another weapon'? (Without the bonus, most of them are useless, especially the 163 luk ones, because they act as a regular staff/wand.)

[Wani]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff200/ThaixMage/gmticket.jpg

Another ticket about it. We'll see, I guess :O

[IcyGreenTea]

they hate mages, and we can stop at that.

[randompeep]

Failure. They haven't responded to mine yet. -.-

[b00t]

I just had a laugh at readin this. My condolences to all the the poor people who really were just hoping for a boost (and LOL to all the lukless wannabe gods, and people who scammed noobs to get these cheap).

lesson learned: Don't just go assuming things, Nexon has the final say, and in this case, y'all got pineappled (no lube)

[randompeep]

Will a tic be responded to when it is closed? Because they closed mine immediately after I sent it. :f3:

[Pauru]

Just my 2 cents: (I've been playing a bishop since the day 4th job came out)

Bishops are flat out stronger than Archmages. This is problematic, because Clerics and Priests were both seen as SUPPORT classes; not levelling powerhouses. Archmages were supposed to be the offensive side of the Magician spectrum; but you know something is wrong when the support class outperforms the offensive class in just about every way.

Elemental Staves were introduced in other versions to balance this problem out. With them, Archmages could have a Damage/MP ratio closer to that of Bishops, perform better at bosses, and of course NOT BE THE SINGLE WORST CLASS IN THE GAME.

One of the key elements that should be present in any MMO game with a variety of classes, should be balance among the said classes. If these elemental weapons aren't made to benefit AMs, then no one would have any reason to play an Archmage over a Bishop.

Also, please don't throw NLC Pots into the argument, because they benefit Bishops as much as Archmages, which doesn't balance anything.

[randompeep]

Do GMs respond to closed tickets? Cause I'm just sitting here waiting for them to finish.

[Corn]

No^ . Resend another one.

Oh, and make sure you word it differently, because they might close that one too.

[randompeep]

Wow, they closed it right after I put it up. >.>

Probably, there's a filter, and if there's anything related to "Elemental Wands", it's closed.

[godofturtles]

Just my 2 cents: (I've been playing a bishop since the day 4th job came out)

Bishops are flat out stronger than Archmages. This is problematic, because Clerics and Priests were both seen as SUPPORT classes; not levelling powerhouses. Archmages were supposed to be the offensive side of the Magician spectrum; but you know something is wrong when the support class outperforms the offensive class in just about every way.

Elemental Staves were introduced in other versions to balance this problem out. With them, Archmages could have a Damage/MP ratio closer to that of Bishops, perform better at bosses, and of course NOT BE THE SINGLE WORST CLASS IN THE GAME.

One of the key elements that should be present in any MMO game with a variety of classes, should be balance among the said classes. If these elemental weapons aren't made to benefit AMs, then no one would have any reason to play an Archmage over a Bishop.

Also, please don't throw NLC Pots into the argument, because they benefit Bishops as much as Archmages, which doesn't balance anything.

I appreciate this post, this is 100% true and factual and its coming from a very high lvl bishop which shows an open mind. I really hope Nexon fixes this and starts to think like you.

[BladeHavoc]

Wow, they closed it right after I put it up. >.>

Probably, there's a filter, and if there's anything related to "Elemental Wands", it's closed.

IIRC, "Feedback" tickets are closed automatically. Try sending it under another category.

[mrcowcow]

I don't really quite see Guardians as a balancer for Archmages and Bishops. Even if their elements can't destroy them, ranged characters are still at a disadvantage towards those huge things. Crimsonwood Keep wasn't built for ranged classes. I can't imagine them training there, though I suppose they could. Somebody prove me wrong?

Bishops. Supposedly, Elemental Wands/Staves will decrease their power. Then what of those who are already putting them at use? When the elemental (dis)advantages are incorporated, wouldn't that... unbalance the Bishops since some of them already have them? And wouldn't that also cause complaints from their population? Nexon's made a grave error and tipped the economy sideways, forward, backward, whatever you want to call it. It's irreversible now unless they have a rollback, which isn't an option. It would cause even more panic and ruin more of the people's accomplishments.

[Wani]

I gotta agree with Pauru too. Elemental Staves aren't about magicians catching up to other jobs, they're about archmages catching up to bishops.

Besides, the idea is good in principle. I'd love to see elemental swords too.

[b00t]

elemental swords would make my heart soar. I never did consider the balance issue...PINEAPPLE YOU NEXON!!! (seriously, PINEAPPLE you)

[butterfλi]

elemental swords would make my heart soar. I never did consider the balance issue...PINEAPPLE YOU NEXON!!! (seriously, PINEAPPLE you)

Elemental swords are out. They're called "white knights".

The release of elemental swords would just defeat the purpose of making a wk. A crusader would be able to use it and gain the small advantage the wks have and they still have their combo attack--making them gain skills from both jobs.

[LeonXIII]

I gotta agree with Pauru too. Elemental Staves aren't about magicians catching up to other jobs, they're about archmages catching up to bishops.

Besides, the idea is good in principle. I'd love to see elemental swords too.

Wouldnt that render Paladins nigh useless? I mean, all you would see would be Elemental Sword 1h or 2h heros going around.

IMO, Fast speed weapons > Elemental weapons (for all 3 types of Warriors)

edit: got beat to it. Curse my slow typing.

[IsaacGS]

Elemental swords are out. They're called "white knights".

The release of elemental swords would just defeat the purpose of making a wk. A crusader would be able to use it and gain the small advantage the wks have and they still have their combo attack--making them gain skills from both jobs.
I would think it would be possible that it could have a reduction on neutral physical attacks that would make it disadvantageous to crusaders to use them, in the same way that they have done for wrong elements now.

*imagines a bow with fire attribute* make inferno useful again!

[randompeep]

Ice gun, lolz. :P

[Wani]

When I say elemental swords, I mean ones that would give an addition bonus to paladins if the sword matches their charge. So it would barely benefit heroes, but boost paladins by a lot more.

[godofturtles]

I don't really quite see Guardians as a balancer for Archmages and Bishops. Even if their elements can't destroy them, ranged characters are still at a disadvantage towards those huge things. Crimsonwood Keep wasn't built for ranged classes. I can't imagine them training there, though I suppose they could. Somebody prove me wrong?

Bishops. Supposedly, Elemental Wands/Staves will decrease their power. Then what of those who are already putting them at use? When the elemental (dis)advantages are incorporated, wouldn't that... unbalance the Bishops since some of them already have them? And wouldn't that also cause complaints from their population? Nexon's made a grave error and tipped the economy sideways, forward, backward, whatever you want to call it. It's irreversible now unless they have a rollback, which isn't an option. It would cause even more panic and ruin more of the people's accomplishments.

The bishops who already have will just have to build a bridge and get over it. They were never meant to have them, so they shouldn't be shocked if they end up working the right way.

[Russt]

Indeed.

Example with made-up, arbitrary numbers: Let's say AMs have a "power level" (essentially, overall efficiency including all factors) of 500 and Bishops have a "power level" of 700. The introduction of level 130 lukless wands boost AMs to 600 and Bishops to 800 from the sheer magic attack advantage. Not very even, right?

Add in the elemental effect. AMs are boosted to 750, and Bishops are nerfed to 600 (if they decide to keep using the wand) or forgo the wand entirely, like they were intended to, and return to 700.

Much better that way.

[Muse]

How is it scamming?
It's true Nexon never did say that there will be the elemental properties. They never forced you or asked you to spend money on gachapon to try and get the staff/wand, it's completely up to you. (Well, the users of Gachapon trying to get the staff/wand)

[psychopat]

How is it scamming?
It's true Nexon never did say that there will be the elemental properties. They never forced you or asked you to spend money on gachapon to try and get the staff/wand, it's completely up to you. (Well, the users of Gachapon trying to get the staff/wand)Imagine you go to a coke machine. You put your dollar in, select the type of pop you want and it comes tumbling down. You put your hand into the little door thingy and grab your can, only to realize that it's empty. Frustrated, you call customer support. They brazenly tell you that that particular machine is behaving as intended - they're only selling empty, unopened cans at this particular machine!

The machine never told you there was going to be liquid in that can, right? It's implied and understood, just as it should have been with these staves/wands.

[Muse]

Imagine you go to a coke machine. You put your dollar in, select the type of pop you want and it comes tumbling down. You put your hand into the little door thingy and grab your can, only to realize that it's empty. Frustrated, you call customer support. They brazenly tell you that that particular machine is behaving as intended - they're only selling empty, unopened cans at this particular machine!

The machine never told you there was going to be liquid in that can, right? It's implied and understood, just as it should have been with these staves/wands.

What a swell example.

[MCN]

Regarding Elemental Wands and Staffs' and Level 200 NPC's


Hello Maplers!



We just wanted to let you know that we are currently investigating the issue regarding Elemental Wands and Staffs' and we are doing our best to resolve the problem.



Also not every 200 level player is able to create an NPC. Only 20 players total throughout all servers is able to create an NPC. We are sorry for the inconvenience.



It looks like there's some hope. :/

[CrazyNomad]

http://forum.nexon.net/MAPLESTORY/forums/thread/1569056.aspx

they might fix it, or just remove the name LOL

[Cody]

I sent in a bug report and received the same sort of response. They are looking into the problems with the elemental weapons, and I also received a little apology that my elemental staff is not working. Combine that with the notice on the site about looking into the issue, and I think something will be resolved soon. I am definitely hoping it means they will add in the elemental boosts, but who knows.

[godofturtles]

Imagine you go to a coke machine. You put your dollar in, select the type of pop you want and it comes tumbling down. You put your hand into the little door thingy and grab your can, only to realize that it's empty. Frustrated, you call customer support. They brazenly tell you that that particular machine is behaving as intended - they're only selling empty, unopened cans at this particular machine!

The machine never told you there was going to be liquid in that can, right? It's implied and understood, just as it should have been with these staves/wands.

This is a perfect example, this is EXACTLY like our situation.

[psychopat]

lol... and just think that it came from someone who's only spellcaster is a cleric :eek:

[Kabanaw]

I think that it's obvious that they're going to fix the elemental problems with the weapons. What other 'issues' does it have?

That announcement made me very happy.

[Cody]

Well, the other possibility is that they will just rename them and take away the elemental attributes all together. I'm definitely hoping that they are fixing the elemental boosts, though, not changing the names :P

[Kabanaw]

Well, the other possibility is that they will just rename them and take away the elemental attributes all together. I'm definitely hoping that they are fixing the elemental boosts, though, not changing the names :P

But that's not really an issue. Besides, changing the name would probably be just as easy as when they made the lvl 70 Maple Helmet dragon-like.

[Russt]

Easier. Names are strings, which anyone can type. Images have to be sprited, which isn't a HUGE deal, but still takes longer than typing 'Ice Wand' or whatever they're called.
(...isn't Ice Wand the name of a level 22 wand?)