[1.2.321] Skill Balancing - Edelstein & Leben

[Fiel]

Two new map icons were added this patch for places I've never heard of --> Edelstein and Leben. What could be up with these new towns?

Edelstein
http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/00321/mark.Edelstein.png

Leben
http://www.happychinchilla.info/Southperry/00321/mark.Leben.png

Also, skill balancing stuff is coming.... looks like they changed a lot of stuff. One of the first things I noticed was that they added mastery books for Hex of the Beholder, Aura of the Beholder, and Bahamut. Also, a lot of new skill icons were added.


Fighter:
- Skill that increases Slash Blast and Power Strike increased to 70% and 120%, respectively.
- Orb damage increased to 4%/orb at max level.
- Brave Slash damage increased to 225%. Horizontal and vertical range reduced. Skill delay reduced significantly.

Page:
- Skill that increases Slash Blast and Power Strike increased to 70% and 120%, respectively.
- Healing skill's cooldown increased from 15 seconds to 30 seconds

Spearman:
- Skill that increases Slash Blast and Power Strike increased to 70% and 120%, respectively.
- Dragon blood's time increased to 200 seconds. The lower levels of DB give higher amounts of WATK, but the max level still gives the same WATK. Before, level 1 would give 2 WATK. Now it gives 10.
- Berserk's damage increased to 70%
- Beholder's revenge damage greatly increased by +300% at all levels

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F/P:
- MP Eater now requires level 5 Spell Mastery
- Explosion's damage increased by +110% at all levels
- Poison Mist's damage increased by +40% at all levels
- Elemental Composition's damage increased to 400%

I/L:
- MP Eater now requires level 5 Spell Mastery
- Ice Strike's damage increased by +60% at all levels
- Thunder Spear now has a 80% chance to stun at max level. I do not know if this is 80% for each attack or if it's 80% chance on each mob per skill usage.
- Elemental Composition's damage increased to 460%
- Ice Demon's Damage over Time variable reduced by 10 at all levels
- Chain Lightning now only hits up to 3 mobs. Damage massively increased to 700%. A new variable called "x" was added and is 10 at all levels. This does not show in the skill readout. I'm assuming that "x" represents the bounce damage reduction, meaning each successive hit is reduced by 10% overall (so first mob is 100%, second is 90%, third is 80%)

Cleric:
- MP Eater now requires level 5 Spell Mastery
- Shining Ray's range is reduced by 40 pixels in either direction for a total horizontal range reduction of 80 pixels.
- Summon Dragon's damage greatly reduced to 310% damage
- Bahamut's damage greatly reduced by 230% at all levels

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Hunter:
- PKB's damage greatly increased to 280%. The probability for knockback is increased at lower levels.
- Arrow Bomb's splash damage increased to 310%.
- Improved Fundamentals increased Arrow Bomb and Double Shot's damage to +100% and +60%, respectively
- Inferno's damage increased by +150% at all levels
- Arrow Rain's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Silver Hawk's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Strafe's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Bow Expert's WATK bonus increased from 11 to 30
- Dragon's Breath damage increased by +30% at all levels
- Hurricane's damage increased by +20% at all levels
- Hamstring's buff duration increased by 30 seconds at all levels

Crossbowman:
- PKB's damage greatly increased to 280%. The probability for knockback is increased at lower levels.
- Soul Arrow's duration increased to 300 seconds (was 20 seconds, hahaha)
- Iron Arrow's damage increased to 340%
- Improved Fundamentals increased Iron Arrow and Double Shot's damage to +100% and +60%, respectively
- Blizzard's damage greatly increased to 400%
- Arrow Eruption's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Golden Eagle's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Strafe's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Marksman Boost's WATK bonus increased from 11 to 30
- Dragon's Breath damage increased by +30% at all levels
- Pierce's damage massively increased to 1000%
- Blind's buff duration increased by 30 seconds at all levels

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Assassin:
- Avenger's damage increased to 530%

Bandit:
- Shield Mastery's max level decreased to 10
- Chakra's max level decreased to 10. The end result is the same.
- Assaulter's max level decreased from 30 to 20. MP cost increased slightly. Now attacks 1 mob 3 times. Damage increased by +90% at all levels.
- Band of Thieves damage changed to 410% and only attacks once for each mob. (was 230% * 2 strikes, is now 410% * 1 strike)
- New skill --> Shadow Partner. The max level is 20. MP consumption is 80 and consumes 1 summoning rock per use. It lasts for 180 seconds. The Shadow Partner's rate of damage is 40%. The skill is added for third job.
- New skill --> Flash Jump.
- Meso Guard's max level reduced from 20 to 10. The end result is the same.
- BStep's damage reduced to 390%
- Assassinate's damage greatly increased to 610%
- I'm pretty sure Nexon meant to increase the level of Pickpocket, but they didn't. Instead, they removed the maximum level variable. Tespia is going to be lol.

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Brawler:
- Energy Blast's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Transformation now gives WATK. It's 20 WATK at max level.
- Dragon Strike's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Barrage's damage increased by +55% at all levels
- Super Transformation now gives WATK. It's 30 WATK at max level.
- Demolition's damage increased by +80% at all levels
- Counter Attack's duration is increased to 45 seconds.

Gunslinger:
- Flamethrower's damage increased to 380%. Mob count increased to 6. Damage over time increased from 60 to 80. Damage over time duration increased from 5 to 7 seconds.
- Cooling Effect's damage increased by +60% at all levels. Freeze duration increased by 2 seconds. Mob count increased to 6.
- Homing's range increased by 50 to 400. Damage increased to 400%.
- Advanced Homing's range increased by 50 to 400. Damage increased by+60% at all levels.
- Cannon's bullet consumption increased from 4 to 5.
- Rapid Fire's damage decreased by -70% at all levels. Range reduced from 420 to 400.
- Counter Attack's duration is increased to 45 seconds.



Dawn Warrior:
- Soul Blade's damage increased by +70% at all levels.
- Coma's damage increased by +40% at all levels.
- Soul Driver's damage greatly increased to 250% (was 140%)

Blaze Wizard:
- Fire Pillar's damage increased to 290%
- Fire Strike's damage increased by +20% at all levels

Wind Archer:
- Double Shot's damage increased by +10% at all levels
- Final Attack's damage increased by +20% at all levels
- Storm Break's damage increased by +100% at all levels
- Arrow Rain's damage increased by +50% at all levels

Night Walker:
- Avenger's damage increased to 530%

Thunder Breaker:
- Energy Burst's damage increased by +10% at all levels
- Transform's duration increased to 180 seconds. Cooldown increased from 300 to 320 seconds. Now gives +20 WATK at max level.
- Barrage's damage increased by +5% at all levels



- Combo Smash's damage increased by +100% at all levels
- Full Swing's damage increased by +10%
- Combo Critical's crit rate increased to +4%/10 attacks.
- Combo Peril's damage increased by +200% at all levels
- Overswing's damage increased to 200%/250%



- Soul Dragon no longer requires level 10 magic missile
- Ice Breath's damage increased to 360%
- Magic Critical's probability doubled at all levels
- Magic Amplification damage increased by +5% at all levels
- Increased Dragon's Breath damage by +110% at all levels
- Killing Wing's damage increased to 530%
- Earthquake's damage increased to 740%
- Ghost Lettering damage increased to 850%
- Flame Wheel's damage increased by +200% at all levels
- Blaze's damage increased by +50% at all levels. A new variable, "x", was introduced and x=10 at all levels. Like Chain Lightning I"m betting this is bounce damage reduction. So 100%, 90%, 80%... or also 100%, 90%, 81%, 72.9%, etc. Not sure which it is.

[JoeTang]

Edelstein is purportedly the Mechanic town, controlled by the Black Wings, according to Spadow.

[MetaSeraphim]

Edelstein = Wild Hunter or Mechanic? Leben = Battle Mage?

[Alloy]

Edelstein = Wild Hunter or Mechanic? Leben = Battle Mage?

Apparently, what makes sense is that all three jobs are the RESISTANCE, fighting against the control of the Black wings on that town.

So I'd say all three start in the same town. Makes sense.

[OrangeGuy]

Uh oh, is this the fall of the lolaneers?

[Hotshot]

More rebalances. I wonder how long it's going to take them to get it right. I think there are skills that they've changed back and forth on multiple occasions now.

[MetaSeraphim]

Apparently, what makes sense is that all three jobs are the RESISTANCE, fighting against the control of the Black wings on that town.

So I'd say all three start in the same town. Makes sense.

Actually, I was thinking Mechanics are born in Edelstein and are with the Black Wings. While maybe Battle Mage and Wild Hunter are born in Leben and are a Resistance to Edelstein and the Mechanics.

[Alloy]

Actually, I was thinking Mechanics are born in Edelstein and are with the Black Wings. While maybe Battle Mage and Wild Hunter are born in Leben and are a Resistance to Edelstein and the Mechanics.

Actually, if you look at the NPCs, you can see each of those guys are connected to the town... Just have a look at Spadow's and you'll see that the battle mage is undercovered as a street cleaner, the Wild Hunter as a policewoman, and the Mechanic as... A guy dressed as a human Teddy bear giving balloons to kids.

So, Maybe Leben is their hideout, or they have an underground one. But all three linked for sure.

[MetaSeraphim]

Actually, if you look at the NPCs, you can see each of those guys are connected to the town... Just have a look at Spadow's and you'll see that the battle mage is undercovered as a street cleaner, the Wild Hunter as a policewoman, and the Mechanic as... A guy dressed as a human Teddy bear giving balloons to kids.

So, Maybe Leben is their hideout, or they have an underground one. But all three linked for sure.

Edelstein's makes it look like the Mechanic's town. Plus it would make sense that they didn't release Mechanic at the same time as Battle Mage and Wild Hunter because they're with the Black Wings.

[Tay]

My idea is that, as Spadow gave me info, black wings are occupying the town Edelstein and therefore that leads me to believe that the Resistance is resisting their occupancy?
Leben seems like the mine and will have all those mine monsters, and the main reason why the Black Wings are inhabiting Edelstein because of it's mine resources of Leben?

[Alloy]

My idea is that, as Spadow gave me info, black wings are occupying the town Edelstein and therefore that leads me to believe that the Resistance is resisting their occupancy?
Leben seems like the mine and will have all those mine monsters, and the main reason why the Black Wings are inhabiting Edelstein because of it's mine resources of Leben?

That sounds quite feasible, even if I made up that word or not, not sure.

[MetaSeraphim]

On another note.

With mastery books for Hex of the Beholder, Aura of the Beholder, and Bahamut being added I have to wonder if these skills are about to be buffed big time.

[WayOfTime]

Yup, that is a word.

Perhaps with a new rebalance, we can finally have them, I don't know...balanced?

Edit: What I think, Meta, is that the maps changed so much that it would be impossible for those classes to do the skill quests to up the mastery level.

[Kabanaw]

Edelstein - Gem

Leben - Life

[MetaSeraphim]

Edelstein - Gem

Leben - Life

Yeah, the first thing I started thinking when I came into this thread was how the map icons are a little ironic.

[XaiXieLe]

Eldestein - New Town [Mechanic , Battlemage , Wildhunter]

Leben - Hunting/Training Map [REMEMBER THOSE NEW MONSTERS?]
= Mine?

[XaiXieLe]

Edelstein - New Town [Mechanic , Battlemage , Wildhunter]

Leben - New Training Place [Remember those new monsters?]
= Mine?

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Edelstein - Once a peaceful town, soon after later, Blackwing Conquered the town.
Now it is the part of blackwing's "..."/ It it the center of the blackwing society
- From Someone from insoya. I dont know if its true.

[shouri]

I can see bishops raging already.

Boosts all around... except to bishops getting the nerf hammer.

[MetaSeraphim]

Who else is hoping that instead of an area around Victoria this will be around Magatia/Ariant? Because this whole deal feels very Magatiaish.

[OrangeGuy]

Only Magatia monsters are too strong for beginners.

[MetaSeraphim]

Meh, who cares. I just don't want another Victoria based new area.

[IllegallySane]

Pierce buffed to 1,000%

*Bishop attack nerfs*

What is this I don't even.

[Saar331]

so now clerics are dead
they should make clerics strong...
increase the soul arrow damage and etc...

[MetaSeraphim]

- Orb damage increased to 6%/orb at max level.

Spearman:
- Dragon blood's time increased to 200 seconds. The lower levels of DB give higher amounts of WATK, but the max level still gives the same WATK. Before, level 1 would give 2 WATK. Now it gives 10.
- Berserk's damage increased to 70%
- Beholder's revenge damage greatly increased by +300% at all levels

So. . . with all these changes I am not sure but at max would combo give a boost of 75%? And Berserk gives 70% which makes Combo and Berserk almost equal since Berserk now works in reverse.

Also, with the buff to Beholder's Revenge I have to wonder just exactly how this skill works because 700% damage might actually put Dark Knights high for once.

[Hanabira.Kage]

More coming soon? Is that because Fiel's still trying to extract them, or is because they aren't in yet?

EDIT: Okay, just realised this is a dumb question.

[MetaSeraphim]

[FONT="Century Gothic"][CENTER]More coming soon? Is that because Fiel's still trying to extract them, or is because they aren't in yet?

Most likely extract.

[OrangeGuy]

LOLSHADOWERS with SHADOW PARTNER?

Not lolshadowers anymore. Have fun guys.

[IPunketOz]

I can't understand the Dragon blood description soo ... it'll give 30 watk @ Lv 1 and 10 watk maxed?

[MetaSeraphim]

I can't understand the Dragon blood description soo ... it'll give 30 watk @ Lv 1 and 10 watk maxed?

At level 1 it gives 10 att. At max it gives 40.

[shouri]

LOLSHADOWERS with SHADOW PARTNER?

Not lolshadowers anymore. Have fun guys.

Lols yeah, I just saw this as well.

So now shadowers are more like dual bladers except still not as good?

[IllegallySane]

LOLSHADOWERS with SHADOW PARTNER?

Not lolshadowers anymore. Have fun guys.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I knew there was a reason to nerf Shadowers so much in .320

Enjoy your +40% free damage and a your long time deserved spot in DPS guys.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8091/1202253611206fk0.jpg

[IPunketOz]

At level 1 it gives 10 att. At max it gives 40.

Oh kk thanks :D i thought it was 30 watk maxed and hex 40 att

[BandanaBoy]

Two new map icons were added this patch for places I've never heard of --> Edelstein and Leben. What could be up with these new towns?

Edelstein
http://www.happychinchilla.org/Southperry/00321/mark.Edelstein.png

Leben
http://www.happychinchilla.org/Southperry/00321/mark.Leben.png



They kinda look like something from "WoW"...
still, looks good o3o

BB~

[OrangeGuy]

I'm still waiting for my special lolaneer updates, because we all know, lolaneers need Shadow Partner too.

[MetaSeraphim]

Oh kk thanks :D i thought it was 30 watk maxed and hex 40 att

Yeah, sorry. I thought it was 40 but after double checking it was Hex that got 40 attack. So, Dragon's Blood gives 10 attack at level 1, and 30 at level 20.

[IllegallySane]

I'm still waiting for my special lolaneer updates, because we all know, lolaneers need Shadow Partner too.

Don't we all? Unfortunately for me I have classes in ~45 minutes. Will be slower on learning the lolaneer changes than everyone else. :(

[Kabanaw]

Haha, badass bossing skill for I/Ls now. F/Ps are still shafted.

700%*1.25*1.3=1137.5% damage*88 casts per minute/60 seconds/minute=1668%/s.

Since all we have is that one bishop's range right now, I'll use that. (4826+3620)/2=4223 average, *1668%=70,439 DPS. Seems about what it is now, but remember this bishop is lukless, meaning the highest level weapon he can use is that lvl 76 maple wand. Take whatever weapon you're using in the 4th job, and switch it out for a likely 100%'d lvl 70-80 weapon, and your DPS would be low too. Imagine an AM using a lvl 163 elemental staff.

Oh, and I just realized, because of the formula change, apples are just as broken for magicians as any other class now.

[Hanabira.Kage]

LOLSHADOWERS with SHADOW PARTNER?

Not lolshadowers anymore. Have fun guys.


It's been fun knowing you Hermits and Assassins. Bye now. *stabs a golem 12 times in a row*

[OrangeGuy]

I'm in South Korea. I need more coffee.

[Rob]

Hahaha, GG Shadowers. Enjoy your DPS. I love this MS 2.0 thing.


I'm in South Korea. I need more coffee.

What?

[blade686]

This is crazy... they might keep updating now till April and then go "April Fools".

[Justin]

1000% damage pierce. Me like.

[Hanabira.Kage]

Hahaha, GG Shadowers. Enjoy your DPS. I love this MS 2.0 thing.


Seriously, though. Summoning Rock prices are going to skyrocket.

[ROFLMAOMGWTH]

Wow. Awesome for us Shadowers. Still wish they'd remove that lunge on Assassinate, but that's just a gripe.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7920/allthumbsup.jpg

[OrangeGuy]

It's getting late, and I'm tired.

[MetaSeraphim]

So, what is the point of Dual Bladers again?

[Kabanaw]

390%*1.4=546% damage. 46% iincrease.

[Hanabira.Kage]

So, what is the point of Dual Bladers again?


To make everyone ditch their characters, then slap them in the face with a "LOLWTF you morons!"

[Rob]

Yeah, Bandits get the new ninja bandwagon class title. Enjoy your aznb4nd1txx

[OrangeGuy]

LOLANEERS!!!!!!!!!

I love you Nexon Korea.

[MetaSeraphim]

To make everyone ditch their characters, then slap them in the face with a "LOLWTF you morons!"

Oh, Nexon. You troll.

[Skylit]

Lol wut. Shadow partner...

I cant imagine what SB would look like....lolshadowers

[Hanabira.Kage]

Yeah, Bandits get the new ninja bandwagon class title. Enjoy your aznb4nd1txx


I wanna see an 8-hit Assaulter. :p

Always wondered what Assaulter would look like with Shadow Partner.

[MetaSeraphim]

lolshadowers

More like, loldualblader.

[CrazyNomad]

what about loladins, the forgotten class ;[? they increased the cooldown of the skill, just that?

[Rob]

Wait what. Transformation and S. Transformation now give W.ATT? The hell, well played Nexon. Buccs rejoice.

[Kabanaw]

Rapid fire nerf, good.

[Hanabira.Kage]

More like, loldualblader.


For the KMST 1.2.320 thread, Fiel opened with "All I have to say is...LOL Shadowers."

For this thread, he should've started off with "All I have to say is...LOL Dual Bladers."

[Alloy]

Seriously, though. Summoning Rock prices are going to skyrocket.

Aha! Time for me to shine with Alcaster's quest done...

Also, congratulations, shadowers! You got your well deserved spot now. HOWEVER, expect they MIGHT add a slight drawback on shadow partner, like increased mp useage... We use x2 stars while on shadow partner, they might pull that off, but it'd be not important. Anyways, enjoy your new partner, and also, welcome to the same part of the board now... Where you hate to get your summon rocks.

Also, us Night Lords should rejoice too. Avenger at 560% is simply... BEASTLY. I mean, we can now train efficiently... Like, for real! Everything DOES seem to be getting even.

[Fiel]

Looks like they buffed Arans too. I'll get to that in a bit.

[Tikey]

Haha, is Nexon Korea really trying to switch the roles of F/P and I/L as the highest DPM adventurer magician?

[Hanabira.Kage]

Looks like they buffed Arans too. I'll get to that in a bit.


Cool. Please try to get it up ASAP. I'm trying to post up these updates in the Asiasoft Forums as well (I gave credit of course)...but my mom's nagging at me because I have an Economics paper tomorrow and it's 9 freaking 35 PM right now.

[Fiel]

Work on your paper. I won't be posting anything for probably the next 30 - 60 minutes while I assemble everything and eat mah breakfast.

[MetaSeraphim]

- Skill that increases Slash Blast and Power Strike increased to 70% and 120%, respectively.

Page:
- Skill that increases Slash Blast and Power Strike increased to 70% and 120%, respectively.

So, Spearmen didn't get this same boost?

[CrimsonJohnny]

Rapid fire nerf, good.

And fire/ice is back to 6 targets, excellent. Now if they just change Air Strike back to 5 seconds I'll be completely happy with gunner changes.

[Skylit]

More like, loldualblader.



My lolclass is gonna be bandwagon'd now :(


Nexon was successful at trollin every lolshad on this forum :D

[Kabanaw]

Ugh, now I need to figure out what my bandit's final 3rd job will be.

Right now:
30 assaulter
30 BoT
30 chakra
30 Meso explosion
20 meso gaurd
11 pickpocket
151 total SP
Assaulter, BoT, Chakra, and meso explosion all had their max level reduced from 30 to 20, so that's 40 extra SP. Then pickpocket and meso gaurd had their max levels reduced to 10, so 11 more SP.
20 BoT
20 Assaulter
20 meso explosion
20 chakra
10 meso gaurd
10 pick pocket
20 shadow mirror
20 shadow partner
11 shield mastery
151 SP

9 skills in the CB's skill book now, and you can max all but one.

[OrangeGuy]

This gives me newfound hope for the company of Nexon Korea.

They actually remembered about the lolclasses. *sniff*

[Hanabira.Kage]

Ugh, now I need to figure out what my bandit's final 3rd job will be.

Right now:
30 assaulter
30 BoT
30 chakra
30 Meso explosion
20 meso gaurd
11 pickpocket
151 total SP
Assaulter, BoT, Chakra, and meso explosion all had their max level reduced from 30 to 20, so that's 40 extra SP. Then pickpocket and meso gaurd had their max levels reduced to 10, so 11 more SP.
20 BoT
20 Assaulter
20 meso explosion
20 chakra
10 meso gaurd
10 pick pocket
20 shadow mirror
20 shadow partner
11 shield mastery
151 SP

9 skills in the CB's skill book now, and you can max all but one.


Assaulter's maxed mastery level was reduced to 20, wasn't it? *checks again*

[ScherzoDeLuce]

thank god they buff DrK abit. quite happy now.
and welcome to bandit story. gonna love it.

[Kabanaw]

Assaulter's maxed mastery level was reduced to 20, wasn't it? *checks again*

..I put 20 Assaulter into my new skill build. o.0

[MetaSeraphim]

My lolclass is gonna be bandwagon'd now :(

Does it count as a bandwagon if I go back to my ancient level 128 Shadower? lol

[Skylit]

Ugh, now I need to figure out what my bandit's final 3rd job will be.

Right now:
30 assaulter
30 BoT
30 chakra
30 Meso explosion
20 meso gaurd
11 pickpocket
151 total SP
Assaulter, BoT, Chakra, and meso explosion all had their max level reduced from 30 to 20, so that's 40 extra SP. Then pickpocket and meso gaurd had their max levels reduced to 10, so 11 more SP.
20 BoT
20 Assaulter
20 meso explosion
20 chakra
10 meso gaurd
10 pick pocket
20 shadow mirror
20 shadow partner
11 shield mastery
151 SP

9 skills in the CB's skill book now, and you can max all but one.

I'd wait till everything is said and done.



Does it count as a bandwagon if I go back to my ancient level 128 Shadower? lol

Nope. but I'm sure someone is going to want to play my old abandoned 158 shad lol

[Satellite]

Looks like they buffed Arans too. I'll get to that in a bit.
Excellent. Brilliant. Awesome.

I just lost my motivation to make Dual Blader :o

EDIT:

Apparently there's no space for speculation of which classes will be the best and which classes will die. I'm sure there's gonna be quite a bit of patches before this all is taken to the official servers.

[Pride]

Still waiting for the Aran update to see if I should quit it or not :(

[Kabanaw]

Does it count as a bandwagon if I go back to my ancient level 128 Shadower? lol

It counts as bandwagoning when you make a new character leeched up to the 4th job, dexless, and has 2.1b of funding, not because it's a fun class but because its a strong class.

[ScherzoDeLuce]

i hope they wont do anymore nerfing to shadower. they really suffered alot from the previous gameplay, they deserve to be in the spotlight now. gratz all the shadowers.

edit : time to train my lvl 9x Cdit. :x

[MetaSeraphim]

It counts as bandwagoning when you make a new character leeched up to the 4th job, dexless, and has 2.1b of funding, not because it's a fun class but because its a strong class.

Well, since I played him before even 4th job was out therefore making leech all but impossible, I am safe.

I have to say that Korea is doing a good job. I feel like wiping the dust off all my old Explorer classes.

[DrRusty]

wow shadowers oO. That's almost enough to make me go back to maple

[Neothisis]

Can't we just have our skills buffed and NOT have Shadow Partner? >_>
I really don't like the idea of having to carry around a thousand rocks in my Etc...
Also, is BStep still 2 hits or is it back up to 4 yet? D=
EDIT:New BStep (if 2 hits per mob) with Shadow Partner is only 1092%.

[Kabanaw]

wow shadowers oO. That's almost enough to make me go back to maple

Too bad I saw DrRusty's dagger being sold. :I

[ScherzoDeLuce]

Can't we just have our skills buffed and NOT have Shadow Partner? >_>
I really don't like the idea of having to carry around a thousand rocks in my Etc...
Also, is BStep still 2 hits or is it back up to 4 yet? D=

well with the current skills buff, you dont have to if you dont want to, you can still deal mediocre dmg. shadow partner for the dmg wh0re.

[Duelman]

Fine, fine I'll say it.

God damnit! Before we were cumming lava for the bishop updates,
now this just hurts nexon, it HURTS! :S

They didn't even fix the range on AR either? WEAK_SAUCE much?

[Skylit]

Can't we just have our skills buffed and NOT have Shadow Partner? >_>
I really don't like the idea of having to carry around a thousand rocks in my Etc...
Also, is BStep still 2 hits or is it back up to 4 yet? D=

They've must of tried considering bstep hit 4 times as a single skill 2 patches ago. I guess this gives shadowers more "appeal"

I personally don't like it, but w/e

[Fiel]

Fine, fine I'll say it.

God damnit! Before we were cumming lava for the bishop updates,
now this just hurts nexon, it HURTS! :S

They didn't even fix the range on AR either? WEAK_SAUCE much?

Perhaps the range is the "explosion" range. So you fire your arrow, and when it hits it hits everyone within the range specified of the exploded arrow.

[Duelman]

That sounds really cool, that would be awesome if it reached further than the character's arm lol :D

[ScherzoDeLuce]

Perhaps the range is the "explosion" range. So you fire your arrow, and when it hits it hits everyone within the range specified of the exploded arrow.

like arrow bomb?

[Neothisis]

Well I suppose with BStep being somewhat fail right now, ME will be our main skill?
ME+SP with 20 coins is 5040% per mob...wonder if PP will activate on SP hits. o_O I would love to bring out like 10 coins in a Savage Blow.

[Alloy]

Can't we just have our skills buffed and NOT have Shadow Partner? >_>
I really don't like the idea of having to carry around a thousand rocks in my Etc...
Also, is BStep still 2 hits or is it back up to 4 yet? D=
EDIT:New BStep (if 2 hits per mob) with Shadow Partner is only 1092%.

Power brings consequences. We carried them since the beginning. Don't worry, it's not that bad. 100 rocks last for 5 hours. And if you are worried about space, use the storage and a couple of mules in the same account. You'll get used to it.

[Cyanne]

Can't we just have our skills buffed and NOT have Shadow Partner? >_>
I really don't like the idea of having to carry around a thousand rocks in my Etc...
Also, is BStep still 2 hits or is it back up to 4 yet? D=
EDIT:New BStep (if 2 hits per mob) with Shadow Partner is only 1092%.

You can leave a bajillion rocks in the MTS.

[Shidoshi]

Good to see they are putting more power to explosion, weaker than FA made no sense.

Guess I/L will be the new DPS mages =D
Idc either way, as long as I get my powered BB and can have fun all around, shoo away those bandwaggoners.

[Bribery]

Loving the Corsair changes. Just give me my 5 second Air Strike again and I'll be happy. Cannon is now 280% x 5, correct?

Any changes for Evans?

Also, brbshadowerbandwagon.

[twy123]

Hunter:

- PKB's damage greatly increased to 280%. The probability for knockback is increased at lower levels.Nice buff
- Arrow Bomb's splash damage increased to 310%.good one as well for BMs
- Improved Fundamentals increased Arrow Bomb and Double Shot's damage to +100% and +60%, respectively Ok
- Inferno's damage increased by +150% at all levels now, why does inferno need a damage increase anyway?If anything needs to be buffed, make it its burn effect man, turn it up to 4%/s or smth
- Arrow Rain's damage increased by +50% at all levels K this is a good buff
- Silver Hawk's damage increased by +50% at all levels hmm, this buff is as unnecessary as well, more appropriate to increase the stun duration of the eagle duration
- Strafe's damage increased by +15% at all levels good for rangers but see below
- Bow Expert's WATK bonus reduced from 30 to 11 Imma not gonna make any comments but i hope this is not a final change to our expertise. if 30 WA is too much, make it 20 WA or smth. 11 WA seems meh in the bigger scheme
- Dragon's Breath damage increased by +30% at all levels Again, What? Nobody uses DB for the Damage, a better buff would be to push back more monsters or to push them further. God knows, the any extra distance would be useful when charging up pierce
- Hurricane's damage increased by +20% at all levels I guess this is 'compensation' for the nerfs BMs have been receiving? Odds on dmg being buffed agn
- Hamstring's buff duration increased by 30 seconds at all levels Ah now this is a real good one. increased duration might be worth it to put a couple points in 14/15x, rather than the usual 17x or above

Crossbowman:
- PKB's damage greatly increased to 280%. The probability for knockback is increased at lower levels.
- Soul Arrow's duration increased to 300 seconds (was 20 seconds, hahaha)
- Iron Arrow's damage increased to 340% k good. more dmg although an even better buff would be a decrease in the dmg reduction or longer range
- Improved Fundamentals increased Iron Arrow and Double Shot's damage to +100% and +60%, respectively
- Blizzard's damage greatly increased to 400% This, i find to be weird. oh yeah from 180% to 40%, i am definitely gonna.... wait SNIPERS AND MMs DUN USE BLIZZARD FOR THE DMG BUT THE FREEZE!! IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A BUFF, BUUF THE FREEZE TIME, RANGE, OR NUMBER OF MONSTERS AFFECTED!
- Arrow Eruption's damage increased by +50% at all levels k, good
- Golden Eagle's damage increased by +50% at all levels Again, see my comments regarding silver hawk
- Strafe's damage increased by +15% at all levels Considering that both rangers and snipers get the same boost, i feel that for snipers, strafe needs a better boost at least 30%. God knows we need that boost
- Marksman Boost's WATK bonus reduced from 30 to 11
- Dragon's Breath damage increased by +30% at all levels
- Pierce's damage massively increased to 1000% <3 it. One buff. i 100% agree with:f2:
- Blind's buff duration increased by 30 seconds at all levels see my comments regarding hamstring above



From this round of changes, i am mostly happy with the set of buffs. Our main skills get a nice damage buff, while LOL skills like Hamstring and blind get a nice timer buff, making them a bit more usable then before.

However, i worry that the developers are missing the point of these buffs, tacking on unnecessary damage increases to to mainly utility skills missing the point that this skills were used for their effect rather then their damage.These skills were fine where they were. if they needed to be changes, it could be more along the lines of hitting more monsters or increasing the duration of effects like freeze or stun.
While i am not against these changes, i fear that it might be the start of an undesirable trend for bowmen.

[Link]

>Brave Slash damage increased


FUCK YES

[Saar331]

>Brave Slash damage increased


FUCK YES

fiel should introduce to SP a "thanks" button.

[Gogreen]

they gave bandits Shadow Partner? lol, that's awesome though it'd be nice if they gave Assasins something in return for that, also were there any new duel blade changes with this patch?

[Alloy]

One little question... Is there anything in the data regarding star usage? I mean, apparently avenger was changed to only one star used, right? And what about shadow partner? Does it still use x2 stars? And the star recharge skill... Does it work PER STAR or per attack?

I'd like to see the exact values of these... Just because maybe Soul stars could become obsolete D:

[Des]

lets see


- Assaulter's max level decreased from 30 to 20. MP cost increased slightly. Now attacks 1 mob 3 times. Damage increased by +90% at all levels.

mm whats the dmg now ? still 180%? if so i guess thats fair enough and i can live with that.


- Band of Thieves damage changed to 410% and only attacks once for each mob. (was 230% * 2 strikes, is now 410% * 1 strike)

-20% dmg compared to previous patch but ok not a big deal imo


- New skill --> Shadow Partner. The max level is 20. MP consumption is 80 and consumes 1 summoning rock per use. It lasts for 180 seconds. The Shadow Partner's rate of damage is 40%. The skill is added for third job.

6 hit assasinate anyone? guess thats a + even tho im not sure what to think about it (LF>this in action with shadower skills)


- BStep's damage reduced to 390%

blah ... could've stayed 500% or at least that 450%


- Assassinate's damage greatly increased to 610%

only 10% incrase to current assasination but oh well better than nothing

and question to extractors
did they change range of assasinate? cause that would be a really gr8 "upgrade" imo and if they could implement it i wouldnt have to complain anymore :s
also LF> assasination being able to work with se (talking about first 3 hits)

[MetaSeraphim]

Combo Smash goes down, Combo Smash goes up. lawl Korea, lawl.

[LunaKios]

Edelstein-Resistance town (battle mage/wild hunter/mech) also were the black wings are curently staying

Leben-looks like a miners town(a posabile hide out for the Resistance class)

when this comes to GMS I,m defentely making a mech ^_^

[Bribery]

:heart: Evan changes.

Still waiting on a new skill to make use of that 15 extra SP in 10th mastery though ;[

[Alloy]

OK, HOLD ON A SEC!

I just noticed... 2nd job, thief. My build included ditching both shadow web and shadow meso... And adding it to endure.

Now I have 138 SP in my second job... But to max the second job now, you only need 130. So... What's gonna happen to that 8 SP? Will stay in second job? I CAN'T EVEN GET THEM BACK TO THIRD JOB WITH A SP RESET. Unless they changed it... Anyone knows? Luckily it'd be not important, since the only loss would be exactly the skills I ditched, but still...

[DeanNim]

It counts as bandwagoning when you make a new character leeched up to the 4th job, dexless, and has 2.1b of funding, not because it's a fun class but because its a strong class.

http://i45.tinypic.com/1znpqw6.jpg

First of all, this character was created during the 318 patch period.. second sorry but i dont think its possible for me to not leech :/, third its not a statless char, only has 1.3mil because its in aquila... i used to be from aquila(my bishop is in bootes) and last, its a fun class because i heard the delays were reduced.

Backstory : In 2008, when my bishop was still a cleric, pirates got released and i played an infighter, i deleted it a month later at level 48 for what the hell reason i forgot..

This updates is just another reason for me to make another one. And i mentioned i used to be from A wold, well guess what, i have alevel 50 fire mage to pineapple around with after the update!!!

[byakugan]

If the delay on brave slash was decreased below that of brandish, now that it's dmg is higher, heroes are gonna...

I just came.

[Hazzy]

"they removed the maximum level variable"
So... you can just keep adding it? Lolwin. Shadow Partner for Bandits is a bit weird, but I guess we'll see how it works. I always hated the idea of spamming my Etc with rocks to play as a Hermit, now I get that fear with a bandit too. Yey. And they still seem to have a lot of damage reductions....

How does Shadow Partner work? 12 hit Savage Blow?

CL doing 700&#37; to the first mob, 630% to the second, and 560% is new. Weren't there a lot of mages complaining about the reduction issue?

I see Aran got the buff a lot of people were asking for.

http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|leben (http://translate.google.com/#auto%7Cen%7Cleben)
http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Edelstein (http://translate.google.com/#auto%7Cen%7CEdelstein)

Found this interesting. Edelstein meaning Gem makes me think Maker skill. Any chance that it would get a revamp as well?

[GodCanJudge]

am i the only one who noticed avenger was increased to 530&#37; =.= wdh is the point of TT anymore

oh, and HAHA i can play my marauder again without shame - and better start up my old i/l too

[Link]

Hey, Fiel. There are new icons (Edit : Oh, you knew this already. GG Me for not reading the entire first post? XD). :3 Are you able to put them all up? Here are some for Crusader :

http://i45.tinypic.com/syxqp5.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/154hoxh.jpg

[Skylit]

blah ... could've stayed 500&#37; or at least that 450%




lol, guess it's true that this new bstep+ SP is weaker than the current version, but nothing is finalized yet~


I don't understand why they're using weird numbers like "610" and "390 "% I like nice and even numbers since they're easier to calculate :(

[Hazzy]

lol, guess it's true that this new bstep+ SP is weaker than the current version, but nothing is finalized yet~
I don't understand why they're using weird numbers like "610" and "390 "&#37; I like nice and even numbers since they're easier to calculate :(

Well, assuming they redid the damage formulas for max damage, 100% in current Maple does not equate to 100% in kMST. If the multiplier went up, a lower skill percentage would actually yield an increase in damage.

[ScherzoDeLuce]

i see that lolevan is no longer lolevan..

[shagreen heart]

holy titspanola, this balancing act is wildness.

i have a bad feeling about shadower partnerer... just increase our damage output and speed a little, please? we will be the most bandwagoned class...
also switch ninja ambush with dualblader's advanced dark sight please, and make greed increase droprate 20&#37;. AND RELEASE REVERSE SHIELDS ALREADY.

also hey SP, forgot i had an account here. is there a 'block "lol" button' ? i feel since you guys put it before every maple-related noun, it's redundant.

[iamflip]

Carp fail @ healer class getting nerfed. I'm not happy about this at all.

Then again, seeing as Nexon Korea is still fine-tuning the skills and everything, I hope that us clerics/priests/bishops still get some enhancements here within the coming days. :/

[Fiel]

The [KOR] Adventurer stuff is updated. If you can't see the new skill icons and want to, clear out your browsing cache and refresh the page.

[Seanny]

Sweet motiher of heaven. YES to shadow partner on CBs. Now I'm glad i worked my butt off for my attack shield now. Its gonna be so satisfying to see such a huge amount of numbers over enemy heads as i kill them.

Hmmm, guess i might abandon my Buccaneer on a new world plan...

[byakugan]

The [KOR] Adventurer stuff is updated. If you can't see the new skill icons and want to, clear out your browsing cache and refresh the page.

Please tell me what's the new delay on Brave slash, It is not listed in the [KOR] Asdventurer's skills thread

[Skylit]

The [KOR] Adventurer stuff is updated. If you can't see the new skill icons and want to, clear out your browsing cache and refresh the page.

wait, CB's get FJ now?


loldualblader

[Fiel]

720 ms

[DeanNim]

wait, CB's get FJ now?


loldualblader

exactly what i wanted to say




720 ms


ohh my gaaahhh, now i have to wash another underwear

[Locked]

I like the changes, but I'm still waiting on the new formulas for accuracy and how avoid takes place. Maybe Dexless classes won't be ruined, or will.

[street]

Seeing that braveslash is 720ms which is faster than brandish, is their a point of being one hand? I'm confused on the whole speed department.

[Piggy 2.0]

- Energy Blast's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Transformation now gives WATK. It's 20 WATK at max level.
- Dragon Strike's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Barrage's damage increased by +55% at all levels
- Super Transformation now gives WATK. It's 30 WATK at max level.
- Demolition's damage increased by +80% at all levels
- Counter Attack's duration is increased to 45 seconds.


DAHAHAHAHA!

I'm so glad I bought a 10 day card on my bucc now

[Link]

Holy shit. 720ms Brave Slash?

Brb changing pants and grindwhoring until 120. :S


L> KMST rates back! 1x sucks balls :(

[Neothisis]

wait, CB's get FJ now?


loldualblader

Srs. Maybe Mirror Image got changed to be .4 multiplier instead of 40% range?

[Chuey]

As I read through the extraction I got wicked excited from reading that brave slash's delay was reduced and the skill was strengthened. It was great news to hear after getting lost in a neighboring town on an, overall, 3.5 hour walk in 80 degree madness. Then I read through each page of this thread to find out that it's faster than Brandish.

...Thank god that pitbull didn't attack me on my walk. THIS IS AMAZING!

[Zacairga]

So wait... Chief Bandits now have SP, FJ, and get a boost to all meso related skills, as well as a &#37; per meso buff on ME?

I need to start levewling, like, NOW, before the bandwagon rolls through and runs me over D=

[Arroz]

I'd wait till everything is said and done.




Nope. but I'm sure someone is going to want to play my old abandoned 158 shad lol

I think you know who that is:f3:

[MetaSeraphim]

720 ms

Okay Korea, lower Crusher too.

[CrazyNomad]

so lemme see, fighter/heros getting buffed, shadower getting buffed, bucc getting buffed, DrKs getting buffed,

nexon, paladin is still in the game data, what about us? :[

[DeanNim]

Okay Korea, lower Crusher too.

agreed. btw they could add crusher mastery in 4th job which increases dmg and overall skill animation and speed without over powering dks in 3rd job.


so lemme see, fighter/heros getting buffed, shadower getting buffed, bucc getting buffed, DrKs getting buffed,

nexon, paladin is still in the game data, what about us? :[

whaattt, before 320 paladins were the strongest u selfish bastard

[DrRusty]

Too bad I saw DrRusty's dagger being sold. :I

My shadower's dagger i sold a long time ago. I never tagged anything on my Bishop

[Rob]

so lemme see, fighter/heros getting buffed, shadower getting buffed, bucc getting buffed, DrKs getting buffed,

nexon, paladin is still in the game data, what about us? :[

Pallys are still being worked on according to what I see. I think there's still tweaking to do.

[Arroz]

did you not see your update last patch? Your FUGGIN INVINCIBLE

[MetaSeraphim]

agreed. btw they could add crusher mastery in 4th job which increases dmg and overall skill animation and speed without over powering dks in 3rd job.

Hmmm, a new skill that raises the attack and the attacking speed of both Crusher and Fury. I like it.

[CrazyNomad]

Pallys are still being worked on according to what I see. I think there's still tweaking to do.

I hope so, the only thing they did was lower charge dmg and increase blast dmg ;[

[Loose]

Brb, buying Dagger for my Shadower. : )

[Kabanaw]

I'll have to make sure I buy lotsa 60&#37; dagger scrolls before they get too pricy.

Edit: This also makes 10 skills in the CB's skill book. Whaaaaaa--

So now I guess I'll ditch 11 shield mastery for 11 FJ, unless it's better to max it.

[byakugan]

720 ms

Thanks

So well, with this, I think Heroes are pretty much set. I hope they stay like this, there are only 2 things i hope they change though.

1 - Shout's animation. It just plain sucks. I don't care if they take that shaking out, just make it look better, not even good, just better than it looks now.
2 - Make it so stun can't be canceled by physical attacks. Even if it lasts 2 seconds, that would turn Attack Chance into an usefull skill, otherwise it Sucks too. This change to stunning would benefit not just heroes but also paladins and buccaneers.

Please Nexon Korea, give this to us.

[Abysseon]

All they need to do now is differentiate the big bang skill for archmage/bishops
and I'm content with the revamp. (:
*All three having the same training neutral skill?... >.>*

Also, congratz to shads for shadow partner.

Wonder what other balancing will be announced before this comes to kms.

[MetaSeraphim]

The [KOR] Adventurer stuff is updated. If you can't see the new skill icons and want to, clear out your browsing cache and refresh the page.

I wonder if they'll change the booster and mastery icons to have both weapons in them.

[Peyhwa]

well, im kinda relief with the changes done on the bandit class but still dun understand why is there the need to weaken BS.

From 500 drop to 450 and now 390 >_<. isnt this supposed to be the main training skill of shadowers?!

and wad is the ver.321's assaulter dmg %?

does assaulter still works as a movement bosst or it goes back to its original position after casting?

[Kabanaw]

well, im kinda relief with the changes done on the bandit class but still dun understand why is there the need to weaken BS.

From 500 drop to 450 and now 390 >_<. isnt this supposed to be the main training skill of shadowers?!

and wad is the ver.321's assaulter dmg &#37;?

does assaulter still works as a movement bosst or it goes back to its original position after casting?

*sigh*

Shadow Partner brings BS up to 546% damage.

[Arroz]

Thanks

So well, with this, I think Heroes are pretty much set. I hope they stay like this, there are only 2 things i hope they change though.

1 - Shout's animation. It just plain sucks. I don't care if they take that shaking out, just make it look better, not even good, just better than it looks now.
2 - Make it so stun can't be canceled by physical attacks. Even if it lasts 2 seconds, that would turn Attack Chance into an usefull skill, otherwise it Sucks too. This change to stunning would benefit not just heroes but also paladins and buccaneers.

Please Nexon Korea, give this to us.

wait so you already know how the attack chance skill works? what is it then?:f6:

[FanaticRat]

Sweet mother of God Shads are sex now. Freaking Shadow Partner? Someone give me a korean SSN please, I want to play KMST like none other.

Also, glad about the RF damage nerf--to be honest I'd have preferred if it'd at least be around 200% like it is now in GMS but now we have a reason to use cannon again I think. Also about cannon, does the extra bullet mean it hits 5 times now instead of 4, or does it just take more ammo?

Boo at the cleric nerfs but it ain't so bad that I still don't want to make one.

[fulldraw]

Even with the Rapid fire reduction isn't cannon still weaker?

180 x 8 vs 280 x 5 = cannon being 40&#37; weaker?

I think that's lol worthy...

but Yay for my ice splitter hitting 6 again =>

[holyforest]

WTF did they do to Bishops? Instead of increasing AR's range they nerfed us? Good grief, please fix this Nexon.......

[Kabanaw]

Even with the Rapid fire reduction isn't cannon still weaker?

180 x 8 vs 280 x 5 = cannon being 40&#37; weaker?

I think that's lol worthy...

but Yay for my ice splitter hitting 6 again =>

Cannon attacks at 600 ms, or 100 times per minute, or 1.667 times per second.

180&#37;*8=1440%/second
280%*5*1.667=2333.8%/second

[Abysseon]

wtp did they do to Bishops? Instead of increasing AR's range they nerfed us? Good grief, please fix this Nexon.......

They're still working on it.

The only thing I'm trying to figure out is why an evan's mobbing skill is stronger than chain lightning:


Earthquake's damage increased to 740&#37;

Or am i missing something?

[IllegallySane]

Brawler:
- Energy Blast's damage increased by +50&#37; at all levels
- Transformation now gives WATK. It's 20 WATK at max level.
- Dragon Strike's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Barrage's damage increased by +55% at all levels
- Super Transformation now gives WATK. It's 30 WATK at max level.
- Demolition's damage increased by +80% at all levels
- Counter Attack's duration is increased to 45 seconds.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YES. I pineappleing love you kMS. Make Energy Blast godlier why don't you? Weapon attack in both Transformation states give me a reason to Transform now, and with such a low downtime NOT being in Super Saiyan form I'm gettnig 10-18 extra attack over my normal attack pot/bubble attack buff 90% of the time; I don't even think I need to carry around attack pots anymore, and I can actually carry Onyx Apples because I will be able to actually boss. Restoring Demolition back to it's original strength is awesome. Barrage now dealing 360%x6=2,160% assuming Barrage's nodelay is unchanged that's 4,320% damage in comparison to the old lolBarrage+DS combo is about a 30% increase in 1v1 damage, and that's before factoring in actual criticals. Slightly buffing DS is icing on the cake. Increasing Counter Attack to 45 seconds? As if it won't be easy enough already to activate it since it's a 40% proc rate. I'm pretty much guaranteed a 40 attack buff for an entire boss run unless it's a speed run.

Awesome buffs are awesome. I'd need yet another new change of pants but I'm at school atm. >:E

[Giullare]

Crossbowman:
- PKB's damage greatly increased to 280%. The probability for knockback is increased at lower levels.
- Soul Arrow's duration increased to 300 seconds (was 20 seconds, hahaha)
- Iron Arrow's damage increased to 340%
- Improved Fundamentals increased Iron Arrow and Double Shot's damage to +100% and +60%, respectively
- Blizzard's damage greatly increased to 400%
- Arrow Eruption's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Golden Eagle's damage increased by +50% at all levels
- Strafe's damage increased by +15% at all levels
- Marksman Boost's WATK bonus reduced from 30 to 11
- Dragon's Breath damage increased by +30% at all levels
- Pierce's damage massively increased to 1000%
- Blind's buff duration increased by 30 seconds at all levels


*drools*

Also, really interested about the two new towns. Looks like they're advancing with the storyline again.

[Steel]

I hope they make FP's better 1v1 >_> Make Paralyze single target again!

[Chameleonic]

Give it another couple of months and they might have worked out what they wont to do with all the classes. lol

[Baklava]

Gunslinger:
- Flamethrower's damage increased to 380&#37;. Mob count increased to 6. Damage over time increased from 60 to 80. Damage over time duration increased from 5 to 7 seconds.
- Cooling Effect's damage increased by +60% at all levels. Freeze duration increased by 2 seconds. Mob count increased to 6.
- Homing's range increased by 50 to 400. Damage increased to 400%.
- Advanced Homing's range increased by 50 to 400. Damage increased by+60% at all levels.
- Cannon's bullet consumption increased from 4 to 5.
- Rapid Fire's damage decreased by -70% at all levels. Range reduced from 420 to 400.
- Counter Attack's duration is increased to 45 seconds.

Finally, that looks right now!

The new skill icons are preeeeeetyyyyyyyy. C:

[Des]

lol @ cbs getting fj as well
i guess that kinda makes me happy since it'll be even more fun to mess around maps heh
LF> someone to tell em to upgrade hit range for assasinate and ability to work with se f3 (yes once again saying it, if a bucc can hit something thats 120 pixels away with bare fist why shadower cant using a weapon which should incrase his range than using just fist f3) and ill be fine with current changes

also cant wait to see vids of sp + cb / shadower skills (pp / assa / bs / me)

[CaptRodney]

More like, loldualblader.

Dual bladers still look cooler :f3:

[cronnoponno]

*sigh* I wish they didn't reduce the mob count for Chain Lightning, they can keep their 700% damage, I want to hit more than 3 mobs with it, I'm a mage not a warrior.

Guess I really will have to rely on big bang...

Other than that, I'm very greatful for all these rebalances XD

[IllegallySane]

lol @ cbs getting fj as well
i guess that kinda makes me happy since it'll be even more fun to mess around maps heh
LF> someone to tell em to upgrade hit range for assasinate and ability to work with se f3 (yes once again saying it, if a bucc can hit something thats 120 pixels away with bare fist why shadower cant using a weapon which should incrase his range than using just fist f3) and ill be fine with current changes

also cant wait to see vids of sp + cb / shadower skills (pp / assa / bs / me)

Buccs are manly that way, and they can finally deal the damage to back it up too.

*pic would't load. Baw.

[Baklava]

Oh man, 12 hit SB?
That's awesome LOL.

[donovan]

*sigh* I wish they didn't reduce the mob count for Chain Lightning, they can keep their 700&#37; damage, I want to hit more than 3 mobs with it, I'm a mage not a warrior.

Guess I really will have to rely on big bang...

Other than that, I'm very greatful for all these rebalances XD

I think putting it in the 4-6 range would balance it out with Paralyze, because on mobs of 4+ Paralyze out damages CL. One last thing I wish they'd fix is Cold Beam, FP has Fire Arrow which used to be their usless 2nd job skill, but now their's mob, they also have Poison Brace which is super useful. Cold Beam however is just lack luster, it's a single target freezer, we obviously need some type of Freezing skill 2nd job as Ice/Lit Wizards, but in terms of usefulness Cold Beam is lacking.

[Des]

Buccs are manly that way, and they can finally deal the damage to back it up too.

*pic would't load. Baw.

who cares if they are "manly", it has nothing to do
its a simple fact
can you hit something that stands 1.5-2 meter away from you using a fist and hitting air? NO
can you hit it using a weapon that makes your "hit" range bigger while holding it? PROBABLY YES
understand me now?
we cant hit top left zak arm or left ht head without timing our skills cause its too far while a buccaner has no problem using barrage on them...

[ArbalistMaster]

does bowman's improved fundamentals really raise Arrow Bomb/Iron Arrow instead of Arrow Blow or is that a typo?

[Takebacker]

FYI: The brawler and thief advancements were fixed in KMST. Me and justin are now leveling a buccaneer faster than the north wind.

[Baklava]

who cares if they are "manly", it has nothing to do
its a simple fact
can you hit something that stands 1.5-2 meter away from you using a fist and hitting air? NO
can you hit it using a weapon that makes your "hit" range bigger while holding it? PROBABLY YES
understand me now?
we cant hit top left zak arm or left ht head without timing our skills cause its too far while a buccaner has no problem using barrage on them...

boomerang step is way more efficient at bosses.
and assassinate was meant to be a close range death skill, like when a thief sneaks up behind you and slits your throat.

[donovan]

Also +1 For the Evan boosts.

[Arroz]

am i missing something, where on earth does it say cb gets Flash jump?

[Nesso]

It's nice to see Arans and Evans get a few buffs, and Corsairs getting 6 hit mobs back. I still don't get how Cannon works now, but whatever.

I don't like Shadower's SP. It seems like a lazy fix to good damage and everything. wtf@Avenger getting buffed again.

[donovan]

am i missing something, where on earth does it say cb gets Flash jump?

In the KOR Adv updates thread it does, I don't know if it says it in this thread.

[Worthyness]

yay lolaneers shant be lolaneers for much longer ^__^

KMS didn't forget the lol classes this time :D

[Baklava]

It's nice to see Arans and Evans get a few buffs, and Corsairs getting 6 hit mobs back. I still don't get how Cannon works now, but whatever.

I don't like Shadower's SP. It seems like a lazy fix to good damage and everything. wtf@Avenger getting buffed again.

Shadower's SP makes the most sense. They're goddamn SHADOWers. :l
Making them overpowered does not fix them, by the way.

Cannon is 5 hits of 280&#37; now.

[Abysseon]

we obviously need some type of Freezing skill 2nd job as Ice/Lit Wizards, but in terms of usefulness Cold Beam is lacking.

Not to mention the lack of 4th job freezing skills... >.>

[Arroz]

Not to mention the lack of 4th job freezing skills... >.>

ulti and summon don't count?

[IllegallySane]

FYI: The brawler and thief advancements were fixed in KMST. Me and justin are now leveling a buccaneer faster than the north wind.

Please report everything. EVERYTHING. Report HP/level hell MP/level, CSB's state, but most importantly their damage/training speed. Make sure if Barrage still has nodelay after this buff. See how much stronger Counter Attack has made Buccaneers. Go kill a Griffey/Manon as a DPS test. I want to see to it lolaneers are awesome like Luffy/Kenshiro as I'm predicting they are to be.

[iFrancisco]

Dang, I really was not expecting that big of a change from the previous patch.

Current:

BS = 500&#37; x 2 = 1000%
Assassinate = 600% x 3 +735% = 2535%

KMST:

BS = 390% x 2.8 = 1092%
Assassinate = 610% x 4.2 + 745% x 1.4 = 3605%

=> 37% DPS increase, roughly, on the Assassinate+4th+BS combo. Old: 1310%/sec, new: 1794%/sec based on 240ms DS.

[Des]

have you played shadower? every high lvl shadower will tell you that assasinate is our main bossing skill not bs also as i said before it does not have sens when someone can hit something thats far away with bare fist and someone using a weapon cant even tho its a "sneak up" skill kthx

[Abysseon]

ulti and summon don't count?

30 second cooldown (at level 30 which is maxed after more useful skills now) with 3 seconds of freezing?...

Using a summon that's more slow/unresponsive than useful?

[Takebacker]

Please report everything. EVERYTHING. Report HP/level hell MP/level, CSB's state, but most importantly their damage/training speed. Make sure if Barrage still has nodelay after this buff. See how much stronger Counter Attack has made Buccaneers. Go kill a Griffey/Manon as a DPS test. I want to see to it lolaneers are awesome like Luffy/Kenshiro as I'm predicting they are to be.

I haven't hopped on it yet, but justin says the invincibility from CSB was reduced. Instead of the frames extending for the whole delay time, it's only present for half.

Comparing HP/MP values at level 36, brawlers now have 300 more base HP, and 130ish more MP.

[Baklava]

have you played shadower? every high lvl shadower will tell you that assasinate is our main bossing skill not bs also as i said before it does not have sens when someone can hit something thats far away with bare fist and someone using a weapon cant even tho its a "sneak up" skill kthx

Because shadowers shouldn't even be hitting the high arms, that's why there's tons of lower arms close to platforms. :l

[IllegallySane]

I haven't hopped on it yet, but justin says the invincibility from CSB was reduced. Instead of the frames extending for the whole delay time, it's only present for half.

Comparing HP/MP values at level 36, brawlers now have 300 more base HP, and 130ish more MP.

Present for 1/2 is still good. I swear that CSB was one of the reasons we had to be an lolclass for so long, because untouchable character = must have loldamage.

As for the HP/MP values, how much does that translate as in terms of per level? I'll try to search in the Pirate thread of a 36 Pirate. It's been so long that I can't remember.

[Des]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

[Takebacker]

Present for 1/2 is still good. I swear that CSB was one of the reasons we had to be an lolclass for so long, because untouchable character = must have loldamage.

As for the HP/MP values, how much does that translate as in terms of per level?

Yeah. If it stayed the same we would never activate counter attack anyway.

I don't know yet.

[Baklava]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

They use energy bubbles they can do whatever.
You're arguing like a 5 year old.

[Takebacker]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

You realize barrage is nowhere near as strong as assassinate now right?

[Cactuar]

Greed got buffed slightly. it now takes 20&#37; off of the mesos used by meso guards bringing the total down to 41%. So, meso guard should be 40% damage taken and 41% of the 60% is turned into mesos. Pretty nice in my opinion.

Also:
10 Chakra
10 Meso Guard
10 Pickpocket
(Total SP consumed here: 30)

20 Assaulter
20 Band of Thieves
20 Shadow Partner
20 Flash Jump
20 Shadow Mirror
20 Meso Explosion
(Total SP Consumed here: 120)

1 Shield Mastery
Total SP: 151

There you go. We can max all skills but one and leave it at level 1.

[foxtales]

They're still working on it.

The only thing I'm trying to figure out is why an evan's mobbing skill is stronger than chain lightning:



Or am i missing something?

You can cast CL twice in the time it takes to use Earthquake once.

[Cancambo]

Arans got a buff. :D

I'm so happy.

[Worthyness]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

How about this: we're so fricken strong that punching the air does massive damage and reaches the target?

(it's maplestory: it doesn't have to make logical sense :D)

[IllegallySane]

*Be back later in ~8 hours to respond to any posts of significance.


thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

You are honestly QQing about the long range of Barrage, but nothing else about the Brawler class? Your argument is just plain silly that there's nothing to even argue about. You're complaining about Barrage having longer range, in a game where the laws of physics are bent over. I just heard over 9,000 cat girls die from your posts.

Because I'm too lazy to change "fantasy comic" to "video game".
http://www.ascendancy.net/arashi/Stuffs/God_kills_catgirl.gif

[Peyhwa]

*sigh*

Shadow Partner brings BS up to 546&#37; damage.

ok.... thanks for the reminder, i totally left that out of the equation.

>_< used to having SP >_<

will that make assasinate 610%x1.4 per hit of the 3 slash?

[Des]

just saying the same shyt as you do...
simple thing
saying that shadowers shouldnt even hit those arms is stupid
and yeah they can do "whatever". are they gods or what?
doesnt change the fact they use fists
and as ure saying they use energy bubbles.
they have infinite energy or wut? cause they can do barrage all the time without spending their "energy" like some other skills does -cough energy charge is named like that for a reason right?-
so maybe they should make barrage usable after you get your energy to max?otherwise they dont have energy to use your lolbubbles

also @ Takebacker

you realize im not talking about dmg but the range that skill has?read my posts again

and to all that bashing me

YES I DO COMPLAIN ABOUT RANGE SO SUCK IT UP

[Abysseon]

You can cast CL twice in the time it takes to use Earthquake once.

Of course, it all makes sense now.


You are honestly QQing about the long range of Barrage, but nothing else about the Brawler class? Your argument is just plain silly that there's nothing to even argue about. You're complaining about Barrage having longer range, in a game where the laws of physics are bent over. I just heard over 9,000 cat girls die from your posts.

Because I'm too lazy to change "fantasy comic" to "video game".
http://www.ascendancy.net/arashi/Stuffs/God_kills_catgirl.gif

...never could understand the appeal to those characters. =/

[Des]

ok.... thanks for the reminder, i totally left that out of the equation.

>_< used to having SP >_<

will that make assasinate 1220&#37;?!

nope
610% x 1.4 (full dmg for us and 40% dmg for our sp) = 854%

[Phoenix Wright]

just saying the same shyt as you do...
simple thing
saying that shadowers shouldnt even hit those arms is stupid
and yeah they can do "whatever". are they gods or what?
doesnt change the fact they use fists
and as ure saying they use energy bubbles.
they have infinite energy or wut? cause they can do barrage all the time without spending their "energy" like some other skills does -cough energy charge is named like that for a reason right?-
so maybe they should make barrage usable after you get your energy to max?otherwise they dont have energy to use your lolbubbles

also @ Takebacker

you realize im not talking about dmg but the range that skill has?read my posts again

and to all that bashing me

YES I DO COMPLAIN ABOUT RANGE SO SUCK IT UP

Perhaps YOU should suck it up and stop crying about Brawlers being able to hit more than 25 pixels in front of their face.
They're trying to make classes balanced, not trying to follow the laws of physics.

[Des]

Perhaps YOU should suck it up and stop crying about Brawlers being able to hit more than 25 pixels in front of their face.
They're trying to make classes balanced, not trying to follow the laws of physics.

forum is a place where everyone can state their opinion
barrage is an example
giving bigger range could be a step to balance as well kthx

[Takebacker]

More on topic:

CSB now has no delay whatsoever.

[fulldraw]

just saying the same shyt as you do...
simple thing
saying that shadowers shouldnt even hit those arms is stupid
and yeah they can do "whatever". are they gods or what?
doesnt change the fact they use fists
and as ure saying they use energy bubbles.
they have infinite energy or wut? cause they can do barrage all the time without spending their "energy" like some other skills does -cough energy charge is named like that for a reason right?-
so maybe they should make barrage usable after you get your energy to max?otherwise they dont have energy to use your lolbubbles

also @ Takebacker

you realize im not talking about dmg but the range that skill has?read my posts again

and to all that bashing me

YES I DO COMPLAIN ABOUT RANGE SO SUCK IT UP

Really your gonna complain about how far a brawler can punch when heroes and paladins have a fixed range on brandish/blast so that even a tiny shlub of a weapon can hit as far as a long two handed blade?

OT : oooo spamable csb =D

[KaidaTan]

Hell yeah Corsair updates! Glad RF got weakened; it was too strong before. And in return our Flamethrower and Ice Splitter go back to their former glory, as well as having what is more or less an always-active Counterattack. Life is good.

Just ignore Des -- he's so childish and stupid that everything he says will troll you. kthx

[Peyhwa]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh

i agree that it do not make sense if logic is applied for a weapon using atk to hit shorter range than a bare fist atk.

but i think their concept comes from Dragonball Z, their energy orb etc, transformation = super saiyan >_<

if u see it as their attempt of making buccaners something like that, then it all make sense.

[Bribery]

I think Chain Lightning might actually outdamage Evan's Blaze now. Looking at the skill tables, it seems that Mages have their -2 speed booster back so there shouldn't be a speed drop.


I still want my 5 second Air Strike back. >;[

[Peyhwa]

nope
610&#37; x 1.4 (full dmg for us and 40% dmg for our sp) = 854%

tat will be per slash of the 3 slashes excluding the 4th hit, rite?

[Schrono]

thats why buccaners barrage should be close range not 120 pixel range attack kthx...
they shouldnt be able to hit nothing thats more than 50 pixels away from then using bare fists
anything else? your arguments aren't so good tbh


Edit:Eh I'll just sum it up. It's a video game, most of it wouldn't make sense or work in the real world. There are dozens of other things in this game that are extremely unrealistic or impossible.

Edit Edit: On the topic of the changes, are these dragon strike 'increases' based off of the increase from the 560&#37; it was nerfed to several KMST patches ago? Or the original damage of it? Basically is it 560% + 120%+ 15%; or is it 810% +120% + 15% ?

[Takebacker]

also @ Takebacker
you realize im not talking about dmg but the range that skill has?read my posts again

Yes. The fact that assassinate is stronger means barrage can be compensated with more attack range.

[Des]

haha way 2 be hated \o/
to be honest idc if you call me childish or stupid that shows how arrogant you guys are :]
keep it up guys ^^

@ peyhwa

yes its per slash excluding last one (idc how much &#37; critical dmg it has but if its 250% as it is in current skill tables (according to hs)
then last hit is potentialy 854 x 2,5 =2135%? (might be wrong lol im not an expert)
also 854% is for both our hit + sp hit added together
separate its like 610%+244% for first 3 hits
last one is 1525% (610x2,5)our + 610% (244%x2,5) from sp
@ takebacker

barage was just an example
and im sure giving assa a lil bigger range wouldnt hurt anyone and it "could be a step for better balance as well"
would you agree with me with that?

LF> movies with assa + sp cause for now i cant really see how strong it is
i mean i understand its stronger than current assa yet i'd like to see it in game.

and i wanna hit left ht head :< sadly i cant (example)
i wanna hit left ht arm :< sadly i cant unless ill time my assa
(once again childish arguments guys ? f3 as i said i can state my opinion and im doin it ty <3)

[Takebacker]

@ takebacker

barage was just an example
and im sure giving assa a lil bigger range wouldnt hurt anyone and it "could be a step for better balance as well"
would you agree with me with that?

No because assassinate is strong as hell now with SP. Assassinate has enough range to hit pretty much anything you would want to hit anyway.

[donovan]

ulti and summon don't count?

Not when F/Ps get a better freezing skill than I/Ls 4th job, give CL a stun effect, and 4-6 mobs and I/L be happy, we will be on the only Magician class with stun, plus it makes sense since TS stuns.

[Peyhwa]

@ peyhwa

yes its per slash excluding last one (idc how much % critical dmg it has but if its 250% as it is in current skill tables (according to hs)
then last hit is potentialy 854 x 2,5 =2135%? (might be wrong lol im not an expert)
also 854% is for both our hit + sp hit added together
separate its like 610%+244% for first 3 hits
last one is 1525% (610x2,5)our + 610% (244%x2,5) from sp


ic....

that is IF SP works with Assasinate.

*kipping my fingers crossed*

[Takebacker]

There isn't any reason why SP wouldn't work with assassinate. o.O

[Peyhwa]

There isn't any reason why SP wouldn't work with assassinate. o.O

doesnt nexon always end up taking away something good from us all the time?

[Doom]

Yay for Buccaneers now we gonna be called for boss runs and i have a question the wep atk of trans stacks with the wep atk of energy bubble and counterattack?

[Shengz]

No because assassinate is strong as hell now with SP. Assassinate has enough range to hit pretty much anything you would want to hit anyway.

Awesome... so him and other shadowers can do more damage than your barrage can... oh wait.. he can't even hit certain things in the game because the skill doesn't reach o.- hmm sounds fair.. Damage means nothing if it can't connect.. Nothing wrong with increasing sinates pixel range so that it can actually connect.



There isn't any reason why SP wouldn't work with assassinate. o.O

depends on how you view it actually, there is many skills sp doesn't work with..

[Des]

There isn't any reason why SP wouldn't work with assassinate. o.O

same as i dont see a reason why our assa doesnt work with se now F3
we would be op'ed ? ya rite f3
it shouldn't work cause our 4th hit has critic already?... so ? other jobs have critics as well yet the se isnt limited on their skills
all the "main" 4th job skills for other classes work with se except for assa.

ZOMG someone finally understood me
thanks shengz for backup but i guess they are still "too smart" to understand it.(or maybe their ego/pride wont let em admit it but w/e ill still be the bad one here haha) f3

[xVanity]

i like this shadow partner idea

Shadower partner is gonna be fun to see
:D

[Aggravate]

Lol, Shadower's are such a perfect bandwagon now. I mean really, a boosted Assassinate shouldn't work with SP. Now they get FJ too.. forget using Assaulter as a movement skill. I'm thinking SP won't work with B-Step either as B-Step is already a nice skill.

[Des]

we cant really say anything about sp since there's no vids of shadowers yet
i guess we'll have to wait a lil for them

[Abysseon]

Not when F/Ps get a better freezing skill than I/Ls 4th job, give CL a stun effect, and 4-6 mobs and I/L be happy, we will be on the only Magician class with stun, plus it makes sense since TS stuns.

or let it hit a single target multiple times. (:

Currently, there's a very good chance that more drastic changes are coming for archmages.

It seems as though they haven't decided on what direction to take with chain lightning/other skills.
*First, it was 6 targets, 10 targets, and now 3...*

[byakugan]

wait so you already know how the attack chance skill works? what is it then?:f6:

Spadow already posted in his blog that Attack Chance increases damage by 120% when attacking a stunned monster or one in state of darkness. However the only skill that inflicts darkess is panic and stun is canceled after any phisical attack, so it's not that usefull, however if stun didn't get canceled that easily, you could use shout when jumping from platfrom to platform and then attack them while still stunned, turning both, Shout / Brave Slash powered by Attack chance into a cool combo.

[Cactuar]

Lol, Shadower's are such a perfect bandwagon now. I mean really, a boosted Assassinate shouldn't work with SP. Now they get FJ too.. forget using Assaulter as a movement skill. I'm thinking SP won't work with B-Step either as B-Step is already a nice skill.

They nerfed BS already so that it's just barely stronger without SP. Assassinate is nothing impressive already, so SP not working with it is silly.

[Peyhwa]

Lol, Shadower's are such a perfect bandwagon now. I mean really, a boosted Assassinate shouldn't work with SP. Now they get FJ too.. forget using Assaulter as a movement skill. I'm thinking SP won't work with B-Step either as B-Step is already a nice skill.

if SP doesnt work with assasinate and/or bs, it will then be alot less useful.

since dual blade hav SP or something like that, i feel that the SP for shadowers shld work with assasinate & BS.
but i hav my reserves on nexon, i juz dun trust them.

[ROFLMAOMGWTH]

they gave bandits Shadow Partner? lol, that's awesome though it'd be nice if they gave Assasins something in return for that, also were there any new duel blade changes with this patch?

IIRC, NL's got 40% Shifter which was exclusive to Shadowers.

[Aggravate]

They nerfed BS already so that it's just barely stronger without SP. Assassinate is nothing impressive already, so SP not working with it is silly.

You already have a second of invincibility with B-Step, so why make it compatible with SP? I'd rather have SP work with SB so it hits 12 times while chaining B-Step with it.

[jhkplaya888]

sigh...as long as they don't replace good ole nls i could care less about shadowers or sairs. I notice that almost nothing new happens to nls. but it seams lolsairs are getting higher dps then us :(

[shouri]

To those arguing about the range of buc's fists vs shadowers weapons:

If you have nice logical points to point out that relate to a possible update, post them here.
If you want to argue about it in general not in related to these updates, make a new thread.
If you can't do it without personal attacks, take it to PMs, or better yet, leave out the personal attacks.

Both sides had valid points to make... just... try to keep it less personal.


Back to the point:

So Aran's first two finishers (Smash and Penril/Fenrir) got boosted but tempest didn't? Also, yay at higher combo critical :3

[Cactuar]

You already have a second of invincibility with B-Step, so why make it compatible with SP? I'd rather have SP work with SB so it hits 12 times while chaining B-Step with it.

Why shouldn't it be compatable with SP? I mean, Triple Throw does more damage than L7 and it's already a really nice skill so it shouldn't be compatible with SP at all. Also, think for a minute: Why should a second job skill be stronger than a 4th job skill?

[Peyhwa]

sigh...as long as they don't replace good ole nls i could care less about shadowers or sairs. I notice that almost nothing new happens to nls. but it seams lolsairs are getting higher dps then us :(

NL's hav dominated as the main atker for most boss fight for long enough, it is high time for them to share the limelight, especially with their counterpart who had been seduce mule in HT risking their precious exp while NL bask in the glory of getting the main &#37;.

although shaodwers's dps may not be as good but definately they shldnt be juz taken as a seduce mule.

[Zacairga]

sigh...as long as they don't replace good ole nls i could care less about shadowers or sairs. I notice that almost nothing new happens to nls. but it seams lolsairs are getting higher dps then us :(

Din't you NLs get a serious TT boost and a MASSIVE Avenger boost? Lolsins, always wanting more...

[jhkplaya888]

NL's hav dominated as the main atker for most boss fight for long enough, it is high time for them to share the limelight, especially with their counterpart who had been seduce mule in HT risking their precious exp while NL bask in the glory of getting the main &#37;.

although shaodwers's dps may not be as good but definately they shldnt be juz taken as a seduce mule.

sure we are good bossers, ever try training....with you lolSE-less dmg. Thats seriously fun. All they need to do is give like NLs meso guard and i would be ok with that :D Or atleast a new skill or boast to TT. I like being the highest dps class :D other then lolsairs...which are broken now.

[Aggravate]

Why shouldn't it be compatable with SP? I mean, Triple Throw does more damage than L7 and it's already a really nice skill so it shouldn't be compatible with SP at all. Also, think for a minute: Why should a second job skill be stronger than a 4th job skill?

I get what you're saying, but B-Step and Assassinate don't seem like the type of skill to work with SP because they have delays built-in. Then again, I haven't really focused much on DB's skills, so they could have attack skills with delay that works with Mirror Image.

[Shengz]

ZOMG someone finally understood me
thanks shengz for backup but i guess they are still "too smart" to understand it.(or maybe their ego/pride wont let em admit it but w/e ill still be the bad one here haha) f3

No worries, I agree many of the people on this forum are stuck up and their e-penors shine brighter than their brains.


IIRC, NL's got 40&#37; Shifter which was exclusive to Shadowers.

So what? now you guys got fj too o.0 adding 10% to a skill vs adding a completely different skill that is foreign to the class.. You can't even compare those two..


Why shouldn't it be compatable with SP? I mean, Triple Throw does more damage than L7 and it's already a really nice skill so it shouldn't be compatible with SP at all. Also, think for a minute: Why should a second job skill be stronger than a 4th job skill?

Both TT and L7 are 150% TT out dmg's because of 2 extra stars o.0


NL's hav dominated as the main atker for most boss fight for long enough, it is high time for them to share the limelight, especially with their counterpart who had been seduce mule in HT risking their precious exp while NL bask in the glory of getting the main %.

although shaodwers's dps may not be as good but definately they shldnt be juz taken as a seduce

NL's put just as much effort into their chars as the rest of the cast in maple. Why the hell should they be shafted just because nexon didn't balance the classes correctly? At this point your argument is more about your hatred towards a single class than balane. Sairs out damage NL's and yet people are still crying that NL's are the OP class? To be honest I have NEVER ONCE heard someone cry that sairs are OP. Sairs don't even have to rely on another class to do their crazy damage, and NL's are over powered? Seriously you people need to get off your "All NL's are 1337 13 yr old dexless narutards" it's getting damn old. I'm all for balancing classes but shafting others because they happened to get the longer end of the stick in the beginning isn't right. Shadowers with all respect is the best class to do the job and will remain the best class to get the job done. Sure it isn't right that none were taken as attackers but someone is going to have to be sed mule either way and chances are a shadower will end up having to do so. Lastly yeah it's cool NL's did a lot of the attacking but are you forgetting that the % isn't really what they're complaining about, it's the fact that they want to get in on the action.. If it was % they were complaining about they have no complaining to do, being the 2nd fastest training class not good enough (after magicians).


Din't you NLs get a serious TT boost and a MASSIVE Avenger boost? Lolsins, always wanting more...

Oh SHIT TT got higher BOSSIN' TIME!, oh wait.. where mah crits @?


sure we are good bossers, ever try training....with you lolSE-less dmg. Thats seriously fun. All they need to do is give like NLs meso guard and i would be ok with that :D Or atleast a new skill or boast to TT. I like being the highest dps class :D other then lolsairs...which are broken now.

LOVE the way you thinking man, i was thinking the same thing. Meso guard would be a pretty awesome addition to NL's. And yeah a new skill would have been nice... Sadly all they could think of is a better shadow claw..

[Worthyness]

Triple throw has 260&#37; damage now i think o_O

[shouri]

No worries, I agree many of the people on this forum are stuck up and their e-penors shine brighter than their brains.



So what? now you guys got fj too o.0 adding 10&#37; to a skill vs adding a completely different skill that is foreign to the class.. You can't even compare those two..



Both TT and L7 are 150% TT out dmg's because of 2 extra stars o.0

If you feel that way you don't have to come to this forum. Other people do these extractions too. It's not wise on your part to insult most of the people on this forum.

So I'll reiterate what I said earlier... leave the personal attacks out of this thread and forum in general. You obviously have something to discuss in regards to the skill balances... leave the discussion at that.


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@fiel: Would you know if Tempest was changed so that it actually deals damage to ice resistant (not immune) bosses?

As it is right now, Dodo (Who resists ice, but is not immune... went there on my aran) doesn't take any damage at all from tempest. I used tempest twice on it and it's hp bar didn't even twinge slightly.

[Shidoshi]

I hope they make FP's better 1v1 >_> Make Paralyze single target again!


*sigh* I wish they didn't reduce the mob count for Chain Lightning, they can keep their 700% damage, I want to hit more than 3 mobs with it, I'm a mage not a warrior.

Heh, I see mages from each side want what was originally advertised =D
F/Ps want their single target goodness and I/L want their mob controlling capabilities. I think in the same way.

[Shengz]

If you feel that way you don't have to come to this forum. Other people do these extractions too. It's not wise on your part to insult most of the people on this forum.

So I'll reiterate what I said earlier... leave the personal attacks out of this thread and forum in general. You obviously have something to discuss in regards to the skill balances... leave the discussion at that.




Pretty good example as to what i was speaking of right here. Who the hell are you to tell me such a statement? I already do not post on this forum very often. Also if you read i said many not most, and not wise? LOL the fk? what exactly do you think any of them can do to me? flame me? go ahead see how far it gets you. I directed that statement at no one. Maybe you should stay out of what does not concern you.

[Arroz]

fiel lock the next thread, I thought you learned your lesson after kmst 4th job:f1:

[Zacairga]

Oh SHIT TT got higher BOSSIN' TIME!, oh wait.. where mah crits @?



They're still there... they're just not what defines your class anymore. Killing without crits is more reliable anyways, you should try it sometime.

[Peyhwa]

sure we are good bossers, ever try training....with you lolSE-less dmg. Thats seriously fun. All they need to do is give like NLs meso guard and i would be ok with that :D Or atleast a new skill or boast to TT. I like being the highest dps class :D other then lolsairs...which are broken now.

den hav u ever tried training as a bandit?
NL get good exp by bossing, how often do u see bandits attending female boss fight for the exp?
NLs had used the female boss as training tool. fancy u try to train a bandit doing the same.

as for myself, i hav both sin and bandit chars, i noe the diff in their training.
i noe how imba NLs are and how the game had preferred NLs over bandits.

i had personally preferred bandit for the skill required in handling them.

[Biotype]

I don't want Shadow Partner. I don't want Flash Jump.
Are all thief-based classes required to have these now?

Just boost the attacking skills by 40&#37;.

[Zacairga]

I don't want Shadow Shifter. I don't want Flash Jump.
Are all thief-based classes required to have these now?

Just boost the attacking skills by 40&#37;.

Whaaaaa~?

[Peyhwa]

I don't want Shadow Shifter. I don't want Flash Jump.
Are all thief-based classes required to have these now?

Just boost the attacking skills by 40&#37;.

hmm... that sounds..... great!

i second it~!

[Shengz]

They're still there... they're just not what defines your class anymore. Killing without crits is more reliable anyways, you should try it sometime.

I understand that but i think that's what i liked.. i hate the yellow damage, it makes stuff boring.. I loved seeing crits all the time especially when you get like 4-5 throws all 6 critting thats so awesome.. When i see all non-crit damage it's like "ewww D:"

[Zacairga]

I understand that but i think that's what i liked.. i hate the yellow damage, it makes stuff boring.. I loved seeing crits all the time especially when you get like 4-5 throws all 6 critting thats so awesome.. When i see all non-crit damage it's like "ewww D:"

Well grats! You still have crit. You're acting like the Mages who are whining about not have their ultimas anymore...

[MetaSeraphim]

Pretty good example as to what i was speaking of right here. Who the hell are you to tell me such a statement? I already do not post on this forum very often. Also if you read i said many not most, and not wise? LOL the fk? what exactly do you think any of them can do to me? flame me? go ahead see how far it gets you. I directed that statement at no one. Maybe you should stay out of what does not concern you.

Aren't you cute.


At this point I am less curious about which skills will be changed next, and more curious about the new towns and the questlines that will go with those towns.

[jhkplaya888]

den hav u ever tried training as a bandit?
NL get good exp by bossing, how often do u see bandits attending female boss fight for the exp?
NLs had used the female boss as training tool. fancy u try to train a bandit doing the same.

as for myself, i hav both sin and bandit chars, i noe the diff in their training.
i noe how imba NLs are and how the game had preferred NLs over bandits.

i had personally preferred bandit for the skill required in handling them.


hunting angeo has 1 problem over 9000 other people doing same thing....chances of finding one are hard.

[Shengz]

Well grats! You still have crit. You're acting like the Mages who are whining about not have their ultimas anymore...

Yeah we have crits but the &#37; is little to none o.0 and I don't see how you can compare the two but meh w/e.


Aren't you cute.

So i've been told ^^*.


hunting angeo has 1 problem over 9000 other people doing same thing....chances of finding one are hard.

Peoples hate for our class clouds most of their common sensual judgement when it comes to this type of stuff...


NL get good exp by bossing, how often do u see bandits attending female boss fight for the exp?
NLs had used the female boss as training tool. fancy u try to train a bandit doing the same.

And Shadowers don't? BF is definately a very popular training tool.. They don't need to attend female boss because they have the nigguhyeti.
if anything shadowers have it better seeing as theres what? 10x more bf spawning for 1.3m less exp per kill, I'd say you have nothing to complain about.

[Zacairga]

Yeah we have crits but the &#37; is little to none o.0 and I don't see how you can compare the two but meh w/e.



So i've been told ^^*.

You said you don't like seeing yellow numbers... Crit's numbers are red... even if the &#37; isn't so massive it's 50k higher dmg than the rest of your stars...

And Mages are QQ'ing about their loss of Gen/Bliz/Meteo when they still have it, but just can't spam... I see a pattern in all the QQ...

[vx-2]

Hunter:
- Bow Expert's WATK bonus reduced from 30 to 11

Crossbowman:
- Marksman Boost's WATK bonus reduced from 30 to 11


Hey Fiel,
According to the updated Data (that you've provided) from [KOR] Skill revamp thread. It's a WATK bonus INCREASED from 11 to 30

Link: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=28128&p=468374&viewfull=1#post468374

My other comments:
1) I welcome the Dodge skill, and perhaps the better way is to imbue/ infuse Dodge + Thrust 2gether instead of a seperate skill.
2) Why the hell is there a need for a newer skill that knocks back mobs? When there's no more "min distance for range" class? Dragon breath aka Dragon pulse, the newer 4th job knock back and PKB are all so worthless when there's no nid for distance.
3) Replace the newer skill with something like Stance or something that improves the cric &#37; chances.
4) Is there a way to find out how Mortal Blows work? is it still only for mobs only? or does it work on bosses too? Works with hurricane (highly doubt if it would)?

[MetaSeraphim]

I forget who said it, but.

Less QQ and more pewpew.

[Shengz]

You said you don't like seeing yellow numbers... Crit's numbers are red... even if the &#37; isn't so massive it's 50k higher dmg than the rest of your stars...

And Mages are QQ'ing about their loss of Gen/Bliz/Meteo when they still have it, but just can't spam... I see a pattern in all the QQ...

I know the difference between the two o.0 50k higher? I was informed crit damage was nerfed to 10&#37; rather than 200% damage.. Confirm pls? Also how exactly is me complaining because the crit numbers appeal to me the same as mages Q.Qing because they can't legit bot and watch tv anymore(sorry this just doesn't register for me).

[Peyhwa]

hunting angeo has 1 problem over 9000 other people doing same thing....chances of finding one are hard.

it maybe hard to find 1, the point here is, u can use it to train if u find 1.
a bandit can onli run away from it if he finds 1.

[ixMigs]

hunting angeo has 1 problem over 9000 other people doing same thing....chances of finding one are hard.

Varies from server to server.

Our guild pretty much runs the parlor and BF :l

[DarkAbyzz54]

Hey Fiel,
According to the updated Data (that you've provided) from [KOR] Skill revamp thread. It's a WATK bonus INCREASED from 11 to 30

Link: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=28128&p=468374&viewfull=1#post468374
The thread you posted is from KMST 1.2.318. These updates are as of 1.2.321, I believe.

[JoeTang]

Shouldn't Improved Fundamentals be an increase to Arrow Blow, not Arrow Bomb and Iron Arrow?

And holy fuck, it's like I'm really on basilmarket.

[Shengz]

it maybe hard to find 1, the point here is, u can use it to train if u find 1.
a bandit can onli run away from it if he finds 1.

So go bigfoot? If we step into bigfoot territory we have warriors thinking they run the place with their fancy rush skill.