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Haiku
2008-08-19, 07:55 PM
Oblivious
Thanks mods for the thread name change. :D It's appreciated!
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8171/obliviousemblemlq1.png
We're seeking to be a fun guild with a future in Yellonde, and we're already on our way. That up there is our emblem. xd
We're getting new members roughly every other day, and we're very welcoming to new recruits (especially those with a sense of humor).

That being said, all classes are equally welcome, accepted, and encouraged. However, we do now have a level limit of 40, so please be aware of it when applying.

★「Aurora 」☆
We're in an alliance named Aurora with the guild Celestial, but as Bori (Celestial's leader) is busy with school and things, a lot of her guild's staple members have gone their separate ways. We may be leaving the alliance soon and re-allying with some other guilds, and possibly taking in some of the members that still remain. Or, I may be passed leadership of the alliance when Bori has the time, and may recruit other guilds for it.

If you're a guild leader interested in alliancing with us, please contact me by PM or MSN as that's the most reliable way atm. Keep in mind there can only be up to 5 guilds allianced at once, and for each guild after the first two there is a fee of 1m (well, at least, it's 1m for the third one).

★「Guild Event Info」☆
Currently our only real event is GQing on the weekends, and we obtained Rank 3 on 08/23. Unfortunately due to what an active hurricane season this has been so far, I haven't been able to conduct GQ to retain our rank. We'll get it back soon now & hopefully maintain it now that 2x has ended. We may even reach number one eventually. O:

More guild events will be organized in the future & suggestions for events are welcome, and if you'd like to host your own event, there will be an option for that soon as well. In addition to that, guild bossing/training parties are another thing we'd like to do to keep everyone active as a guild other than just "guild chat".

On that note, a guild forum (and possibly a nifty little site for it) will soon be up to relieve general boredom for whatever reasons, as well as list any guild events coming up with dates/times and all that. Estimated time for opening is the last week of September, though I've already started messing with it.

★「Expansions」☆
Donations are welcome and helpful (especially since expands cost 5m each now), but don't worry, it'll probably all come out of mine and Larry's own pockets unless someone feels generous out of the blue. We are currently expanded to 30 slots total, with a couple of slots free.


So, wanna know if you're right for our guild?
If you answer the following questions with "yes" truthfully:
-Are you going to stay in Yellonde for "the long haul"? GOOD
-Will you treat alliance members with the same respect as other guildies? GOOD
-Can you speak understandable English? (Netspeak is okay as long as it's legible) GOOD
-Are you online a lot, logging on at least every other day and staying a while? GOOD
-Can you respect their opinions as well and argue without being a jerk? GOOD
-Can you take a joke? GOOD
-If you have an argument with someone, are you able to let it go? GOOD
-Are you willing to participate actively in guild / alliance events, guild quests, future boss runs, guild chat or bbs, etc regularly? GOOD

-Are you a scammer? BAD
-Are you a hacker (yes heal hack is a hack)? BAD
-Have you webbed / poisoned Bigfoot to level? BAD
-Have you leeched off of any of the above or reaped benefits off of them? BAD
-Do you exploit any other game flaws for benefits? BAD
-Do you beg to be a JR? BAD
-Do you start KS wars? BAD

Oh, and if you're proven to be involved in anything listed above as "bad", you'll be given a chance to explain your actions (1 on 1) before anything happens, but for most of those, you'll end up being kicked (albeit on civil terms) and not permitted to rejoin.

Also, weekend players are accepted as well as players who aren't able to be on everyday due to things like school, but at least make an effort to maintain a certain level of activity -- Thanks.

★「Jr Masters」☆
Jr masters will be handpicked based on a lot of different things (at least for now), so please don't beg for it. Larry (my co-leader) and I will discuss it with potential Jrs if we feel they would do a good job. Friends of members are also welcome to join the guild as long as they meet the requirements above, just ask someone to invite them.


★「The Basics」☆
IGN:
Class:
Level:
Time zone:
Are you able to join based on the requirements above?

★「Optional Survey」☆
What should we call you?:
How old are you?:
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]:
Anything else you want to add?

[Note: I've added some new questions for the hell of it, don't worry, they won't affect your chances of getting in or not]

★「Contact Information」☆
My IGN is Nanirei, and I'm the guild leader of Oblivious. You can post here, PM me here, whisper me in-game, or MSN me (located in my SP info) if you need to get ahold of me. If you need to reach someone in-game and I'm not available for whatever reason, Kinkdoctor is the co-leader. Of course the forums will be an option once they're activated and all that.

If you've applied here already, you're more than welcome to ask for your invite. Please post here or in the thread on SW first (or PM one of us your application if you are very private) so that we know in advance how many spaces we need.


PS. If all you see is a bunch of ?'s everywhere in this post, don't worry, it just means you don't have the East Asian Language package installed on your computer, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's just a couple of brackets and stars for decoration anyway. (:

Davidkun
2008-08-19, 08:30 PM
IGN: Masaaku
Class: Spearman
Level: 3x (33 right now)
Time zone: Central
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this]: A LOT 4-6 hours!
Are you willing/able to come to Orbis and help make it?: Uhm, I hope.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above?: Hell ya!
Anything else you want to add?: I HATE YOU YOU NOOB!!! LOL KIDDING! Love ya Aki <33

Haiku
2008-08-19, 08:34 PM
You're a turd.. but ok, you're welcome [I kid]. xd If I include you, we still need three to go to Orbis. [Some people are waiting to join after though u.u]

Your sig is outdated. *Snicker*

Trinity
2008-08-19, 08:48 PM
IGN: Styxt
Class:Cleric
Level:4x
Time zone: Eastern
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this]:everyday atlesat 3 hours
Are you willing/able to come to Orbis and help make it?yes, i have a stable cashflow.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? yes, i am, except i like to speak rarely, but i speak in importance. And im very active in BBS
Anything else you want to add? I like to Party. Je boum

Haiku
2008-08-19, 09:45 PM
Cool, cool. xd Looking good. o:

2 moar for Orbis :3

Milelke
2008-08-19, 10:24 PM
IGN: Techxin
Class: Hunter
Level: 30
Time zone: EST
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this]: Everyday

Are you willing/able to come to Orbis and help make it?: Yes (Not in the money departmnet, I can go to Orbis on my own, but can actually help with donations)

Are you able to join based on the requirements above?: Yes

Anything else you want to add?: If you want a Guild Forum, I can make one for you, i've done it before :3..
Also, im friendly and talkative :D

Haiku
2008-08-19, 10:43 PM
I like playing with IPB as well, but if you'd like to help out that's certainly doable. x3

One moar for Orbisssssss. `-`

Davidkun
2008-08-19, 10:48 PM
I highly doubt I can get to Orbis, Aki. I have like 500 mesos. xD

Haiku
2008-08-19, 10:52 PM
I said I'd pay for it for the people who needed me to. xD

Blankout
2008-08-19, 11:21 PM
I guess I'll sign up...even though I signed up for Saver's guild, I don't see me going into the guild anytime soon.

IGN: xBouncys
Class: F/P wizard
Level: 37
Time zone: PST/PDT
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this]: Playing on weekends/school holidays now, because of school, and 3+ hours per day.
Are you willing/able to come to Orbis and help make it? If it's on a weekend, and a convenient time, sure I can come to Orbis. For guild expansions I can probably donate a little.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? Um, yeah.
Anything else you want to add? I'm not really talkative unless someone talks to me first. People ignore me a lot -__<

Haiku
2008-08-20, 12:17 AM
Well, I won't ignore you. D;

Don't worry too much, Saver's got a lot on her plate atm and it's hard to keep up with so many people wanting in while still maintaining a high rank / leveling speed and enough cashflow for herself as well as expansions & soon an emblem. `-` Weekenders are welcome of course, but the guild'll hopefully be -made- before then. o: Whis me in-game when you're on & I'll let you know.

;____; Curse the SC, I'm almoooost 50.

Kranzorbaken
2008-08-20, 12:28 AM
gratz on the guild to be man.
Im in savers but the more people from sp with a guild the better.
We will rule yellonde *starts evil laugh*

Lana♥
2008-08-20, 12:30 AM
Even though I'm in another guild atm I SUPORRT YOU AKI :shine:

Good luck, this will def turn out to be one of the respectable guilds in Yellonde~


edit*
oh edited not to cause spam~ yeah in Deception.

Kranzorbaken
2008-08-20, 12:32 AM
what guild are you in lana.

Haiku
2008-08-20, 12:36 AM
She's in Deception, I think. o: Careful, don't get my thread locked for spam. ;_;

Thanks for the support guys. :D
:hothead: @ Server Check

Woooo 5x. If I don't accept friend requests or respond to whispers, it's 'cause I'm afk or my list is full~ post here that you did & I'll contact you. o:

Davidkun
2008-08-20, 02:29 AM
I said I'd pay for it for the people who needed me to. xD

Alright, thank you very much Aki. <33

Haiku
2008-08-20, 04:46 PM
Ok! Update: If at least two or three of you can be on and whisper me when you are, we can make the guild today and the guild name can be edited into the first post. xd

Milelke
2008-08-20, 06:00 PM
Ill be on in an hour :3 See me 8:00 PM EST

Matty
2008-08-20, 09:50 PM
IGN: Dexlyss
Class: Bandit (Dexless)
Level: 3x approaching 4x
Time zone: Eastern USA (New York)
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this]: Usually every day
Are you willing/able to come to Orbis and help make it?: DEFINITELY :3
Are you able to join based on the requirements above?: I belive so, yes
Anything else you want to add?: Im willing to recruit good, active, nice members. If you need any donations I can try my best to earn money for our guild =)

Blankout
2008-08-20, 09:52 PM
Question: How do you plan to make juniors in the guild?

Haiku
2008-08-20, 10:11 PM
Ok guys, my apologies, I've been gone a lot of today working on things 'cause my mom's paranoid and we live in FL (that storm Faye is on its way), so yeah. xD Good to see this thread is active though :3

I just expanded my BL [finally] so I have space, and I'm able to get adds from people who plan to come to Orbis. I'm normally on between 4pm-4am (CST & of course, not straight) at pretty scattery times with some afking inbetween.. and I tend to get side tracked easily. >_> So, anyone who can, try to be on between 5pm-7pm CST and make sure I know you're on! :3 Appreciated.

@Blankout, I kinda touched on that a little in the first post, though it's subject to change once it gets a bit bigger. o: We'll probably discuss it as a guild after it's made and the majority of the people who are wanting in atm are in. xd Things that would be a plus in my book are being active, friendly, mature, helpful, trusthworthiness, etc. No such thing as sucking up to the top though. :B

Milelke
2008-08-21, 12:44 AM
Thats 6 Pm-6am EST Right?

Because I fell asleep on the couch today and forgoet that I was suppose to come on XD.

Haiku
2008-08-21, 02:35 AM
5-5 EST actually. :P

& Yeah I understand, but I would've been afk most likely anyway. xD

Davidkun
2008-08-21, 06:30 AM
lern2telltime

Eastern is 1 hour ahead of Central.

So for Eastern be on from 6 to 8. xD

Haiku
2008-08-21, 06:51 AM
David, you nab, we were talking about the hours between which that I'm usually online/contactable obv [note the 12 hours and not 2 lol], not the time to meet up. `-` My time was correct, jerk. D<

But yeah, I've talked to some more people in-game who'd like to join and stuff, and hooopefully enough people will be on between 5pm-7pm CST (tried to tell everyone xd) so we can finally get the bloody thing made. xD

Genious
2008-08-21, 10:26 AM
Hello Aki! :D

I'll be there..

Haiku
2008-08-21, 03:31 PM
Yay more people :D This is so depressing lol, we have about 15 people able/willing to come to Orbis but I can't get 6 on at once when they can. -F3- Remember! 5pm-7pm CST.

& I see you came out of lurking Chris. :3

Edit: YOU DID NOT SEE MY TYPO

Pikachu
2008-08-21, 04:57 PM
I'm here right now. 3 minutes till then o_o

Haiku
2008-08-21, 08:44 PM
Guild has been made. :D Anyone who isn't in already, check the first post for updates.

DarkestTempest
2008-08-22, 10:57 AM
IGN: Mamnir
Class: Bandit
Level: 43 (at the time of typing)
Time zone: EDT
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]: A few hours per day. Kinda unpredicatable though.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? I do believe so.
Anything else you want to add? Uh... nothing really.

Haiku
2008-08-22, 03:11 PM
Okay, we have 6 slots currently and I'll expand when those are filled. I'm nao awake after my loooong afk, so if you've already posted here you're welcome to contact me for an invite. *Wipes doughnut off her face* `-` Everyone who's posted here is approved & whatnot so don't worry lol. (Someone asked me the other day if they were approved or not xD I don't sound THAT picky do I!? I hope not o_O)

The storm Faye might knock my power out when it does eventually hit (but that should be after the weekend) so if I'm not on for a couple of days, that's what happened & I'll be back asap. I'll make sure there are adequate Jrs to take care of things while I'm gone if that happens. :3

Blankout
2008-08-22, 09:52 PM
Yay! I'll be on this weekend so add me please. :D

xBouncys

Matty
2008-08-22, 09:54 PM
Haiku, your my buddy ingame.
I asked you tons of times to invite me to the guild.
I think I rightfully deserver to be in the guild by now >_>

Blankout
2008-08-22, 09:55 PM
Haiku, your my buddy ingame.
I asked you tons of times to invite me to the guild.
I think I rightfully deserver to be in the guild by now >_>

begging lulz

Matty
2008-08-22, 09:55 PM
Nah im in a guild already.
But I like Oblivious better:
Better name.
Full of SP ppl who usually = friends
And I might be a Jr? :o

Haiku
2008-08-22, 09:57 PM
LOL I'm sorry ;-; I've been afking a lot lately without remembering to say so, mom's still paranoid about the storm & bugging me to do stuff. I'm on now & will be for a longgg time tonight, so if you hop back on pester me, k? I tried inviting you once (in your channel) yesterday, but it said you were already in a guild. Read the first post in regards to Jrs please. ;d

k @ Blankout. (:

@Darkest, just drop me a whisper when you're on. Hopefully I can stop all this crazy afking soon, stupid storm. :< IT LOOKS TOTALLY PANSY TO ME. >_> If I can get a buddyslot free I'll add you to make it easier. xd

Matty
2008-08-22, 09:58 PM
Its fine, really.
Ill go on now REAL QUICK to get invited ok?
So go on now.

If not, leave me a spot open, as well as Jr? :3

Haiku
2008-08-22, 10:00 PM
Sure @ invite, no @ jr. xd

<-- been on for who knows how long. `-`

Matty
2008-08-22, 10:10 PM
Ill work my way up? -_-

Haiku
2008-08-22, 11:12 PM
Mebbe but it'll take some time for people to gain my trust, etc.

Guild is so talkative now :O

1 slot left before I have to go expand again, gogogo~

Etcetera
2008-08-22, 11:49 PM
IGN: LOVEyeIIonde
Class: Crossbow Man
Level: 31 (and rising)
Time zone: GMT+10 (Australia)
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]: Pretty much only on friday afternoon and the weekend. I dont have a maple schedule because school and friends>mapleing
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? I believe so
Anything else you want to add? I want to join a guild to make my time in Yellonde better. People to talk to is always a good thing. And besides, I'm the love man for Yellonde.

Genious
2008-08-23, 12:01 AM
God what a horrible guild!

WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T JOIN!

<33333

Haiku
2008-08-23, 12:23 AM
LOL Chris you turd. xd <3

2 slots free & the next upgrade should come tomorrow if I can afford it or others contribute. First to get ahold of me in-game gets the slots available atm. It's great that people are still getting interested. :3 We're growing fast~ Keep it up guys.

Oh and we now have an emblem! Yaaay emblem. /retardism `-`

Matty
2008-08-23, 05:59 AM
Yay, guild rankings here we come!
Im one of the highest in the guild :o
I feel special
/hope

finite
2008-08-23, 12:20 PM
yay akiiii.
:heart:

Haiku
2008-08-23, 09:20 PM
Wheee, we're now rank 3 on the Honorable Rock. :] Moar GQing to come tomorrow, shooting for number 1. *-*

Expansion will be tomorrow, so we'll have 5 new slots. Keep those apps coming. :>

ps hi Kat :shine:

Blankout
2008-08-23, 09:22 PM
Sorry I'm not so active. Homewark :eek:

Matty
2008-08-23, 10:16 PM
Haiku's continued post:
And special thanks to Matty who helped us achieve this GP.
Im jk xD but I really did participate :o

Haiku
2008-08-23, 10:41 PM
By sitting. Yes, I know. `-` Ya gotta stop posting in this thread though or it'll get in trouble for spam. It's a recruit thread. D;

It's okay Blackout. :3

Blankout
2008-08-23, 10:44 PM
By sitting. Yes, I know. `-` Ya gotta stop posting in this thread though or it'll get in trouble for spam. It's a recruit thread. D;

It's okay Blankout. :3

I'll help out with the GPQs if I have the time. I can actually do the first stage. :o

The Literacy thread turned into a chat thread even though it was also supposed to be a recruit thread, too. :cool:

Haiku
2008-08-23, 11:16 PM
That's true but it can't hurt to be careful when it's not actually useful chatter. x3

Sorry for the typoooo I've been very out of it all day. o_O So far we've had a couple of people rotate on stage one. ;3

Pikachu
2008-08-24, 03:07 AM
I did most of the right side. Aki wouldn't let me do left >_>

Haiku
2008-08-24, 06:26 PM
Damriet. Just posting again to let people who've posted here and aren't in the guild yet know that when I tried to /find you guys you weren't on, so try to contact me when you're on if you'd like to join. :3 Thanks.

Everytime I remember to check none are on so yeah lol.

Styx
2008-08-25, 11:28 AM
hey, aki, i dont think ill be on today or possibley tommorow.

my internet really sucks right now. I posted it here because i cant even sign on ms

xLeviathan
2008-08-25, 11:44 AM
IGN: iHealBliss
Class: Cleric
Level: 41 and going.
Time zone: EST.
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]: Oh lawd, over 30.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? I think so, ultimately the decision is yours.
Anything else you want to add? Is it possible for my fiance to join? iHealLevi, she has the same stats as me except one level below.

Matty
2008-08-25, 12:08 PM
Woot, invite iHeal please :3
You'll probably get in if we have an open spot, dont worry.

Haiku
2008-08-25, 12:20 PM
I already did that before you posted, gg. Last spot is reserved until next expansion, which will happen whenever you guys annoy me to go to Orbis (I don't mind, I'm just lazy & stupid HH is in every ch of Creeping Evil atm). :X Also, still haven't gotten a successful /find on anyone else so yeah.

After the 2x event today I'm going to bed for a loooong while and probably won't be on 'til late, so if there's anything anyone needs for me to know, BBS it or post here.

@Dan, see ya soon then. GL, internet troubles are lame. D:

xLeviathan
2008-08-25, 01:15 PM
I already did that before you posted, gg. Last spot is reserved until next expansion, which will happen whenever you guys annoy me to go to Orbis (I don't mind, I'm just lazy & stupid HH is in every ch of Creeping Evil atm). :X Also, still haven't gotten a successful /find on anyone else so yeah.

After the 2x event today I'm going to bed for a loooong while and probably won't be on 'til late, so if there's anything anyone needs for me to know, BBS it or post here.

@Dan, see ya soon then. GL, internet troubles are lame. D:

Lol @ the bolded parts.
You should probably sleep moar :/!
As well as break down annoying branches.

:f4:

Haiku
2008-08-25, 03:16 PM
I would if it weren't for the branch that I can't reach. D: It only does that on windy nights anyway. afk crashing. I'll try to remember to expand tonight, feel free to remind me though guys. `-`

Edit: Okkk expanded
Edit #2: Alliance'd.

Acim
2008-08-27, 07:43 PM
IGN: Zombeez
Class: Dexless Fighter-to-be
Level: 7, on Maple Island right now (how much 2x EXP left? :<)
Time zone: EST
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]: Daily? When school starts (September), 3-5+ hours daily depending on homework. :(
Are you able to join based on the requirements above?: Yes, but take note. I MAY quit Yellonde. Trying to see if it's better than Scania. :( So, if I am going to quit, I'll quit the guild as well as to not upset you.
Anything else you want to add?: Nope. Maybe later, but not now.

Gotta go now. :(

Lana♥
2008-08-27, 09:33 PM
ok aki I'm back and I want to join your guild <3333

Even if it's full you would totally kick someone for me right~ tee-hee! :glitter:
but I will fill out the form cause I have nothing else to do right now.

IGN: Dlisted
Class: Cleric
Level: 37 :B
Time zone: I dunno..it's the same as yours though. <_<
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]: Um it depends if I'm doing something that day IDK. You know how often I'm on.
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? DUH
Anything else you want to add? u r hot

Blankout
2008-08-28, 12:23 AM
I've noticed a lot a people spell the guild/alliance names wrong in their profiles.

Colorful
2008-08-28, 12:37 AM
Hey all,
I must've established a terrible first impression...
it has been already... like two days since I've joined and I don't think I've grown acquainted to you ppls @ all. (quizas that's because I've been online for a total of 30 mins past 2 days)

and to make it worse:
im super emo and im not gonna be active anytime soon. i think. -f4-
feel free to boot me if that becomes a problem.

i luv u guise dat i don't even no.

hope to see you soon.

Blankout
2008-08-28, 12:40 AM
Hey all,
I must've established a terrible first impression...
it has been already... like two days since I've joined and I don't think I've grown acquainted to you ppls @ all. (quizas that's because I've been online for a total of 30 mins past 2 days)

and to make it worse:
im super emo and im not gonna be active anytime soon. i think. -f4-

i luv u guise dat i don't even no.

hope to see you soon.

D: I'm not active a lot either.

Haiku
2008-08-28, 01:11 AM
*Twitch @ people dropping off Yello like flies* >_o

I expand4u later today Lana. xd & @Blankout yeah I noticed that too.. >_>

Acim
2008-08-28, 05:30 AM
*Twitch @ people dropping off Yello like flies* >_o

I expand4u later today Lana. xd & @Blankout yeah I noticed that too.. >_>

I spelled it right, right? :(

Hopefully after 2x all the meanie poo Yellondians will go back to their home server. And I'm buying Blue Wisconsin, Brown Bandanas. :(

Arkentau
2008-08-28, 06:58 AM
IGN:AlmightyEnd (ALmightyEnd)
Class:Warrior (spearman > dragon knight)
Level:24 currently
Time zone:GMT -5
Average online time daily or weekly [optional but good to include this; any format works.. playing hours, total hours, days of the week etc]:A lot untill school starts, then just slighty less :D
Are you able to join based on the requirements above? I guess.
Anything else you want to add? Extra cheese is always good :D

Matty
2008-08-28, 11:12 AM
Add to guild: ChobocoRider

Hes a Level 57 assassin, and my best friend :3

Acim
2008-08-28, 11:32 AM
THIS is going in my epic Maple Moments folder.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s128/acim7/Maple181613.jpg

Haiku
2008-08-28, 05:44 PM
Expanded last night, 3 slots left.

Ho-shat #1 guild thread in the guild hall. o_o Neat. lol69thpostinthread. -win-

2 slots left now~

Colorful
2008-08-28, 11:15 PM
but I promise I won't end up being some guild hopper who leaves within 3 days.
I'm positive I'd stay in your guild. unless like I died or something happened iderno.

so that was a complete lie. maybe i did die. i don't know.

I realize I'm taking up your limited space. so I'll be leaving.
I'm sorry that I let you guys down.
You guys were extremely welcoming/friendly, so it's completely my fault =(...
I screwed this up.

when I joined, I thought I'd be online for at least an hour/day.
considering I've been online for a total of 35 mins in the past 3 days... meh.
I don't deserve to stay. I haven't met any of those obligations listed in the first post with my emo/angsty temper either.

i believe i'll be quitting altogether. but i'm not a man of my word. ohwellz. I'll see.

tldr;
sorry guys. i wish i got to know y'all better.

Haiku
2008-08-28, 11:59 PM
Valuable space? opls. A guild slot isn't more important than a guildmate; you're welcome back anytime.

Colorful
2008-08-29, 12:07 AM
but i am emo. :f3:

better guildmate > worse guildmate. :D
D:

Haiku
2008-08-29, 12:37 AM
Iunno about that. xd You could always turn it around~

*First post got a makeover.

Pikachu
2008-08-29, 12:46 AM
Eh, so I heard my friend left the guild. With my character... When I actively play again, I'll join you guys if you let me in.

Blankout
2008-08-29, 01:01 AM
As a rule of thumb, no one will be kicked from the guild just for their level on Thursday. However, you may be kicked [special cases are the expection] in favor of me not having to spend 5m to expand with the option to be reinvited when you can meet the limit.

Have I been kicked yet? D:

Haiku
2008-08-29, 01:21 AM
You're welcome back anytime, Aaron. Everyone knows it wasn't you that left.

No, Blanky, you have a week anyways. Next Thursday is the deadline. xd

Blankout
2008-08-29, 01:24 AM
You're welcome back anytime, Aaron. Everyone knows it wasn't you that left.

No, Blanky, you have a week anyways. Next Thursday is the deadline. xd

3 days (Saturday, Sunday, and Labor Day) to get a level...sounds tough....

Haiku
2008-08-29, 02:01 AM
Oh wow I completely forgot about Labor Day.. awesome. [Don't ask, I just like holidays o_O]

You can do eet! xd

Edit: Oh, and Matt, tell your friend to whisper me whenever they're on I guess. I'd prefer if they'd post an app here though first.

xLeviathan
2008-08-29, 09:06 AM
Oh wow I completely forgot about Labor Day.. awesome. [Don't ask, I just like holidays o_O]

You can do eet! xd

Edit: Oh, and Matt, tell your friend to whisper me whenever they're on I guess. I'd prefer if they'd post an app here though first.

I might not be on for a few days.
Getting my system rigged up with dual-boot and since I'm really busy at the same time it might take a long time.

Matty
2008-08-29, 10:01 AM
Cool makeover, ill tell him to whisper you now.
*logging on...*

Genious
2008-08-29, 11:33 AM
I don't think I'll be able to play as often as I had in the past.
I will no long be able to pull those long nights any more, and I'll probably only play every other day during the after noon. I'll miss those times..

-Chris 8D

Haiku
2008-08-29, 04:11 PM
lol Chris, I think you burnt yourself out.

Matt, I was afk sleeping. xD

Genious
2008-08-29, 05:14 PM
Oh no, that's not the situation Aki. It's just, I have other things to do and I can't keep up like I had in the past. So good luck to you all and I'll see you guys every so often.

Haiku
2008-08-29, 05:27 PM
That wasn't what I meant. Yeah there's school etc, but you stopped really leveling a lot before that. :P Good luck~

Acim
2008-08-29, 05:35 PM
Blargh. Request to not be kicked from the guild. Doing calculations, I need 19 levels in 5 days (since my schedule for today is full, I won't count today as I will not be leveling today. :<) About 4 levels a day. Not impossible at all, and I could make it easily. I'll try, but if I don't make it, please don't kick. :(

Lots of things contribute to this. One being that I am a DEXLESS hero in a new server. It'll be harder to train and level, hence why I'm trade win PQing with guildmates for 30-50 :(. I miss a lot and spend time merchanting to get DEX gear, not grinding 24/7. That, and schoolwork. I'm being given loads this year, coupled with the fact that my dad wants me to sign up for a sport (although I'm the healthiest in the family. "Unhealthily underweight", actually, and I could beat up any one of the kids in my grade.) So, even though I get on Maple quite often, not all that time will be spent gaining EXP, and even if it is, I won't gain EXP quite as fast as people who AREN'T forced to commit to low level training areas, due to a lack of ACC.

I hope you'll be the nice person I know you are (sucking up, it always works) and cut me a bit of slack as I try to reach 40 before the deadline.

I may make it, by the way, but if I don't...

Haiku
2008-08-29, 06:10 PM
You may think that I'm being harsh or whatever, but the reality of it is that it's not that hard to add 35 or so dex to get you by and you're not at a loss for it. You're -choosing- this build in a place where it's impractical with your current possiblities, the consequences of that are on you, dude. This isn't Scania. The training places Stereo suggested for you in your thread are not by any means slow, nor are they difficult to obtain accuracy for when those times come. It's also not difficult to put in some T&E on PQing which is also a very easy way to make those "4 levels a day" as I've already told ya.

Like I said, level 40 is not an extreme request. The time you spent freaking out here / in BBS could have been spent leading KPQs. It really isn't that much to ask that people show a little dedication to staying in Yellonde now that it's in its third week of release and maintaining a guild of people who can't even do that much would be very hard; I can't afford to upgrade any of my items because of expansions, and I'm ok with that right now. I don't gach or 2x, I don't have a shop, I don't train all day, I don't level everyday, I'm not a "lucky" person, I lose mesos just by training (I don't break even). I just can't afford to keep doing it forever, sorry. If I raise the recruiting level limit, I have to be fair and raise the level limit within the guild as well.

Oh, and on the note of your thread, you won't be getting a Zhelm for a long time. The runners will prioritize based on level at first, and then based on a point system for the surviving runners. They won't sell helms until they have their entire group helmed, which could be many months from now, and even then they have a market of higher leveled / richer players that are undesired for runs that would also like helms. I wouldn't count on getting one before lv80.

I don't mean to offend or anything, but it's just not something I can go on not putting my foot down about. No amount of "sucking up" is going to change it. It's not because it's "all about levels" or anything like that, as I even stated in the first post. If that's what you think, maybe you ought to reread it. We'll discuss it further when that deadline comes, but if you had read the first post more carefully, you'd know I wasn't going to start kicking people for levels. :X

Acim
2008-08-29, 07:09 PM
Sorry about that whole thing. Just ignore me if I seem in a pissy mood, I wouldn't want to give you the wrong impression, though I probably already have. I'm just really frustrated right now because nothing is really going right in my life at the moment, and Maple is really the only place where I can sort of just rant and rave it all away, without injuring the people I really know and care about. Which sort of contradicts itself, because I DO care about my guildmates and friends, so I shouldn't have been taking it out on you and the guild. Again, I'm sorry. And it may not help much, but I'll be donating 500k, which is all I have left at the moment. Sorry.

Haiku
2008-08-29, 07:48 PM
It's fine, like I said, when the time comes will be time to discuss it. In the meantime you should be doing what you can. :X

Also, don't mean to sound rude if I do, but keep your money. It's not all about the money either, and I can afford the next expand.

xLeviathan
2008-08-29, 07:53 PM
Lolwut, there's a level limit now?
FINALLY.

Haiku
2008-08-29, 08:41 PM
Says the guy who joined at 3x. -F3-

Anyways my internet's been really screwed up the past 48 hours or so.. haven't been able to train without fear of potlag death or DC. Hope this goes away soon. :[

xLeviathan
2008-08-30, 09:29 AM
Says the guy who joined at 3x. -F3-

Anyways my internet's been really screwed up the past 48 hours or so.. haven't been able to train without fear of potlag death or DC. Hope this goes away soon. :[

A lot of other people were 3x when I joined, too.
Anyway, I'm 49 now, presumably when you called for a level limit.
):

I might be coming on today, if I can get a good partition tool ^_^.

Pikachu
2008-08-30, 02:15 PM
i want the level limit to be 50+ after the 2x event.

Blankout
2008-08-30, 02:53 PM
i want the level limit to be 50+ after the 2x event.

D: -goes emo-

xLeviathan
2008-08-30, 02:54 PM
i want the level limit to be 50+ after the 2x event.

So are you playing or not?

:f7:

Haiku
2008-08-30, 03:27 PM
Tbh I was thinking about raising it to 55+ after about a week or two after the 2x event (maybe a month), simply so people who just CPQ and quit @ 51 aren't really in the mix. I won't do it until we're expanded past 30-35 or so members though & start being able to do more things as a guild (i.e. successful GQs maybe? We'll see). I can't really be too strict and iron fisty about it because I myself don't level to the standards of the majority of the people around my rank.. no 2x.. not even 70 yet. 2-3 levels a day now?

I don't think I would raise it above that, but if the guild got really large (50+ members maybe?) I might have to raise the cap to 75 so that ROPQ quitters are no longer in the mix as well. I really don't think I'll expand past 40 or so people though, so no worries for a looong time. Maybe when Nani's 4th job or something, but then again maybe not 'cause training will cost a lot then & I'll need a major equip overhaul. Weeee'll see how it goes. For now guys, just don't get too stagnant and you'll be fine.

On that note, guild forum/site to be made after the first month of Yellonde. Aka last week of Sept or first week of Oct. If you have suggestions, you may contribute them between now and then (and of course after, but it would be nice to have some beforehand).

Oh yeah and Aaron is back Levi. xd

xLeviathan
2008-08-30, 04:33 PM
Tbh I was thinking about raising it to 55+ after about a week or two after the 2x event (maybe a month), simply so people who just CPQ and quit @ 51 aren't really in the mix. I won't do it until we're expanded past 30-35 or so members though & start being able to do more things as a guild (i.e. successful GQs maybe? We'll see). I can't really be too strict and iron fisty about it because I myself don't level to the standards of the majority of the people around my rank.. no 2x.. not even 70 yet. 2-3 levels a day now?

I don't think I would raise it above that, but if the guild got really large (50+ members maybe?) I might have to raise the cap to 75 so that ROPQ quitters are no longer in the mix as well. I really don't think I'll expand past 40 or so people though, so no worries for a looong time. Maybe when Nani's 4th job or something, but then again maybe not 'cause training will cost a lot then & I'll need a major equip overhaul. Weeee'll see how it goes. For now guys, just don't get too stagnant and you'll be fine.

On that note, guild forum/site to be made after the first month of Yellonde. Aka last week of Sept or first week of Oct. If you have suggestions, you may contribute them between now and then (and of course after, but it would be nice to have some beforehand).

Oh yeah and Aaron is back Levi. xd

Well, if you want my domain you can have it o.o. It's set on re-direct from my DNS but I can change it if you get a free domain set-up.
It's MapleMasters.com but there's nothing running on my DNS so it's not up.

IMO, keeping the guild level requirement about 20~25 below your own seems fair since mostly everyone is in that range now and exceptions can be made to those absent of course. It's healthy for guild events to have active, leveling players.

Also, we need to GPQ soon, we're falling behind.

Pikachu
2008-08-30, 07:35 PM
yeah yeah GPQ is good.

Haiku
2008-08-31, 08:56 AM
Accompanying my mother to somewhere that has cable to monitor Gustav's projected path. Probably won't be on today, tonight, and possibly tomorrow. Depending on where it's headed, I may actually be gone until Mon/Tues, but that's highly unlikely.

Talk to Larry (Kinkdoctor) if you have business with me; he does not have a SP account so please be as clear as you can. xd

Edit: I am back. (: Just outer bands and tornado warnings, wheee.

xLeviathan
2008-09-02, 08:41 AM
:l

Aki, I got grounded ):
I got my laptop back from school.
How embarassing anyway.
*Facepalm*.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get it back indefinitely.

Matty
2008-09-02, 07:11 PM
Haiku, please dont boot me.
School started so I havent played for a couple days.
But ill be on to achieve level 50 before 2x ends, hopefully :)

Haiku
2008-09-02, 09:12 PM
Mmk guys, thanks for the heads up.

Pikachu
2008-09-03, 10:29 PM
Sorry but lol@levi's grounding
xfd

Haiku
2008-09-03, 10:57 PM
This weirdass lag is making me sad / a little less active. :(

xLeviathan
2008-09-04, 12:34 PM
Sorry but lol@levi's grounding
xfd

I'm good now, but I'm so fucked with school stuff I got no time for meeeee.
I'll get it tomorrow, everything is due so I'll have the weekend.
Finally.

Haiku
2008-09-04, 08:04 PM
See you on the weekend then, Levi. xd

News: There's gonna be a new Jr in Oblivious! /supah seekrit

Genious
2008-09-04, 09:39 PM
wellllllll
my computer broke down, lost my internet connection (is in an internet cafe atm), and too damn busy..

i quit, no questions asked.. lol 40% till sniper, oh well :]

bye aki! you're an amazing friend! and goodbye Oblivious.

Haiku
2008-09-05, 01:39 AM
Sooo many people are leaving Yellonde, and only more will leave when the 2x ends.. oy.

Sucks to see you go Chris, good luck 'n all~

xLeviathan
2008-09-05, 08:29 AM
wellllllll
my computer broke down, lost my internet connection (is in an internet cafe atm), and too damn busy..

i quit, no questions asked.. lol 40% till sniper, oh well :]

bye aki! you're an amazing friend! and goodbye Oblivious.

Nuuuu!
CHRIS, DON'T GO!
:[

Man, this sucks.
WHY CAN'T AARON LEAVE INSTEAD?
:f3:

xLeviathan
2008-09-05, 08:30 AM
wellllllll
my computer broke down, lost my internet connection (is in an internet cafe atm), and too damn busy..

i quit, no questions asked.. lol 40% till sniper, oh well :]

bye aki! you're an amazing friend! and goodbye Oblivious.

Nuuuu!
CHRIS, DON'T GO!
:[

Man, this sucks.
WHY CAN'T AARON LEAVE INSTEAD?
:f3:

And congraulations on 70 Aki <3.

Pikachu
2008-09-05, 04:52 PM
Nuuuu!
CHRIS, DON'T GO!
:[

Man, this sucks.
WHY CAN'T AARON LEAVE INSTEAD?
:f3:

And congraulations on 70 Aki <3.

I hate you ):. I dun liek. I is higher level then you nao.

Oh, and surprise = I is jr :D

Matty
2008-09-05, 05:19 PM
Im getting to Level 50 before 2x exp ends, hopefully.

xLeviathan
2008-09-05, 05:32 PM
I hate you ):. I dun liek. I is higher level then you nao.

Oh, and surprise = I is jr :D

Neither are surprising seeing as I was gone for a week. :f3:

Blankout
2008-09-05, 11:56 PM
I won't be on too much this weekend because I have quite a bit of working and I'm working on the guide for Fiel's event.

If it turns out someone claimed my topic before I get it posted...:eek::eek:

Haiku
2008-09-06, 02:54 PM
Oshi @ rivalry.

@Blankout: No one can "steal your topic" for that event. He simply said the topic needs to be new to the author. Meaning if you've already written a guide to making mesos, you can't submit it or write another one about it for the event. o.O

Blankout
2008-09-06, 02:58 PM
Oshi @ rivalry.

@Blankout: No one can "steal your topic" for that event. He simply said the topic needs to be new to the author. Meaning if you've already written a guide to making mesos, you can't submit it or write another one about it for the event. o.O

But if someone writes a guide about my topic before me, then I can't enter it. D:

I guess it's not stealing, but it'd be annoying.

Acim
2008-09-09, 05:31 AM
Freakin offtopic post: Was Aaron banned from these forums for hacking or for trolling or for spamming or for advertising? Which one :(?

Haiku
2008-09-09, 05:58 AM
O.o I wasn't aware he was banned from SP. I know he got banned from KoM's forums.. are you sure your info's correct?

@Blankout, that all depends on the content. ;x You'll just have to be better than them. :B

Guild is expanded to 30 slots and sorry I haven't been on as much due to the internet being "worked on". o_O

xLeviathan
2008-09-09, 10:45 AM
Lol @ Aaron.
On a lighter note: Devin = Next guild Priest (Hopefully).
:)

PokeSmot
2008-09-09, 11:47 PM
I just want to say I'll be applying for this guild the second I hit 40... I'm currently 37, going to be 40 for sure tomorrow.

Finally good to see a guild that actually seems organized rather than these 'one-hit-wonder' guilds that are run by some 11 year old with no intelligence whatsoever.

Haiku
2008-09-10, 12:43 AM
Always good to see new interest. O: I'm sure we'll be happy to have you~ The process of recruiting has slowed a bit with so many people already on their way out of Yellonde, so I'm always pleasantly surprised when I see posts here or get whispers in-game. :3

I'm a tad worried about how many people may quit Yellonde as the 2x comes to an end.. humm. Oh well, we'll just have to wait and see. We'll get past this guys. *-* I'm gonna update the first post if my connection will allow it with some new information about Aurora and some of our plans for the month, so please check it when my changes finally go through. :>

Also, don't forget to say goodbye to Steph and Jim as they return to Broa by way of world transfer. They won't be coming back, so if you miss 'em and would like to talk with them, whisper Steph's hermit in Broa. She wanted everyone to know she'll miss us all. xd

MineralAccident
2008-09-10, 02:04 AM
What a pretty little thread we have going here (and full of Aki spam).

Just for the record, I'm Kinkdoctor and you're free to contact me here or in-game for any guild related business. Non-related but kinky shenanigans will also be accepted. However, non-related, non-kinky shenanigans or annoying communications will result in your immediate destruction *menacing fist*.

Ew, I've become part of an online MS community. I feel dirty now.

xLeviathan
2008-09-10, 06:45 AM
Aki and others, I changed my IGN.
iHealBliss -> RaiseMyEXP.

Haiku
2008-09-10, 07:59 AM
IT IS NOT FULL OF AKI SPAM YOU SHUT UP.

Thanks for the heads up Levi. o:

Milelke
2008-09-10, 06:09 PM
:O, I wanted to help with the guild forum stuff...
but I have school, and then hours of homework, so I end only going on the computer for a little while :( (1-3 Hours)

*BTW, if this forum is invision free, is it the old version or Zeta Boards?

xLeviathan
2008-09-10, 06:31 PM
:O, I wanted to help with the guild forum stuff...
but I have school, and then hours of homework, so I end only going on the computer for a little while :( (1-3 Hours)

*BTW, if this forum is invision free, is it the old version or Zeta Boards?

This isn't IVF.
It's vBulletin.

Styx
2008-09-10, 07:18 PM
where the hell is everyone

only 2 people were on today, seriously
./ flame

xLeviathan
2008-09-10, 07:20 PM
I lefted.
Sorry :x

Styx
2008-09-10, 07:37 PM
i think i might too. im undecided

Matty
2008-09-10, 07:50 PM
Im not postive either.
Imma go on lately to perfect my bandit, then I might leave/stay
I miss my Khain Beginner!

Milelke
2008-09-10, 09:27 PM
This isn't IVF.
It's vBulletin.


Oooo, more things to mess around with :D

Blankout
2008-09-10, 09:30 PM
Aki and others, I changed my IGN.
iHealBliss -> RaiseMyEXP.

Your old IGN sounded better. D:

I'm not going to quit my Yellondian character, even though I'm such a low leveled nub.

Haiku
2008-09-10, 10:23 PM
Internet was dead all day and now I'm leeching off someone else's secured connection (yay for cracking networks?). Whoever's this is.. it's fast.

I can't say I'm surprised about hardly anyone being on today, the 2x exp JUST ended. :P I did say Yello would be a lot emptier, didn't I? :x Honestly though, one day of semi inactivity isn't the end of the world guys. It's getting harder to recruit due to so many people leaving / planning on leaving Yellonde.. it'll perk up again, dw. The other guilds are having problems, too (at least the ones I'm friends with the leaders of that aren't enormous, i.e. over the 50 member mark). This is the hard part tbh, things will get better. I now have lead to the Aurora, so if you notice any guilds looking for alliances, direct them to me and we'll have alliance chat poppin' again.

Forum's created & it'll be open to guild members tomorrow most likely. I've decided to stick with something simple [phpbb] for now and transfer everything over to a vBulletin forum later, 'cause while I'd love to mess with vB, atm there's no need for so much complexity. :P

Also, Levi, I think he was asking about the forum for the guild, not Southperry. xD You know, since it says "vBulletin" right at the top there in huge letters? xd I'm sorry to say I would've had to kick you (or at least give you a warning of sorts) anyways for that afking a hoodoo ch thing for 2 reasons.. one that's considered cheating at the game (by Nexon and it's in Obliv's rules), and two starting a KS fight with the girl who showed up while you were afk. Don't wanna start anything, but them's the rules and if I don't stick by them what's the point of having them?

Styx
2008-09-11, 07:43 PM
Forum's created & it'll be open to guild members tomorrow most likely. I've decided to stick with something simple [phpbb] for now and transfer everything over to a vBulletin forum later, 'cause while I'd love to mess with vB, atm there's no need for so much complexity. :P



im staying :glitter:

Matty
2008-09-11, 08:21 PM
Check my sig, im staying :)

Haiku
2008-09-11, 09:19 PM
Okay moar updates. I was messing around with the forum a bit and decided I'm going to pop its cherry to the guild later this week instead. :P

We now have another guild in our alliance, please say hi to the members of Dawn and make them feel welcome. :3

Styx
2008-09-11, 09:31 PM
dam i gotta log on and see the new alliance

...

xLeviathan
2008-09-11, 10:15 PM
Okay moar updates. I was messing around with the forum a bit and decided I'm going to pop its cherry to the guild later this week instead. :P

We now have another guild in our alliance, please say hi to the members of Dawn and make them feel welcome. :3

-Waves to the noobs-

:wink:

Haiku
2008-09-11, 10:39 PM
*Waves back to the soon-to-be elitist* xd

y u b postin' here instead of ppl2passing to zak with Immo? Slacker!

xLeviathan
2008-09-12, 10:22 AM
*Waves back to the soon-to-be elitist* xd

y u b postin' here instead of ppl2passing to zak with Immo? Slacker!

Noooo.
Aki is pro gsrfdhbsjnk.
I mean Kat :DD.

Haiku
2008-09-12, 05:33 PM
Slacker.

xLeviathan
2008-09-12, 08:54 PM
Slacker.

:eek:

Noooooo.

Haiku
2008-09-13, 11:55 AM
Now you're doing it again! You ought to be ashamed, sir.

K gaiz just to let you know we're actively recruiting even though atm I think we have no slots "free" (if so maybe 1 or 2), so if friends ask to join you don't have to just say no right away. o:

Lana♥
2008-09-15, 10:25 PM
Aki since you are recruiting you should kick me. I really can't play ms right now.

I will eventually come back though..hopefully you're still on yellonde :]

Styx
2008-09-16, 06:02 AM
i wont be on till probably the 25th.

my parents found my stash and now im grounded. They took my laptop, 360, and cable box O.o

im thinking im gettin it back on the 25th cause thats my birthday

MineralAccident
2008-09-16, 08:22 AM
i wont be on till probably the 25th.

my parents found my stash and now im grounded. They took my laptop, 360, and cable box O.o

im thinking im gettin it back on the 25th cause thats my birthday

Maybe that'll teach you a valuable lesson.

That lesson being hide it better. Then when you're older you can tie them down and smush it all over their faces if you want to.

Disclaimer: Oblivious does not officially endorse waiting 'til you're older to tie your parents down and smush your stash (whatever it may be) all over their face (but I do).

xLeviathan
2008-09-16, 09:12 AM
i wont be on till probably the 25th.

my parents found my stash and now im grounded. They took my laptop, 360, and cable box O.o

im thinking im gettin it back on the 25th cause thats my birthday

Same birthday FTW!?

:f2:

Styx
2008-09-16, 06:34 PM
Same birthday FTW!?

thats so kick ass

Colorful
2008-09-16, 06:51 PM
Hey I don't even play anymore and I was only in this guild for like 2 days.
but that's my birthday too.
whoooo.

Haiku
2008-09-17, 08:05 AM
Uhhh guys I've been extremely sick and haven't been on, sorry about that. <_> I'll be on later today after doing some stuff..

It's ok Lana, there are several spots atm due to so many people quitting Yellonde. Recruiting is open meaning anyone in guild is permitted to find people now (in-game), but new recruits will be on a sort of one week probation to see if they've got what it takes and meet the requirements. :3

xLeviathan
2008-09-17, 04:39 PM
Hey I don't even play anymore and I was only in this guild for like 2 days.
but that's my birthday too.
whoooo.

Woot!
3 people on Sept. 25th.

:glitter:

Styx
2008-09-21, 03:02 PM
im sick too aki.

oh and i left the guild. i dont know why, i think it was cause i was gonna quit, if you get back on can you guild me? I reachd lvl 50 today with a bunch of scrolled items now too :D

Haiku
2008-11-24, 10:03 AM
lolhai after being internetless for a while. :x

Genious
2008-11-25, 08:27 PM
Aki!
I'm up to start playing again I just need a new computer lol. :O

Haiku
2008-11-26, 05:42 PM
Orly? Well look me up on TranceFinaIe in Yello if ya do. xd

Genious
2008-11-30, 08:49 PM
Well I didn't exactly get a "new" computer, but I'm playing maple on it. Looks like I'm back in action and ready to pass all these xbows.
Btw, what the heck happened to everyone!? Yellonde used to be filled! Oh well, v/hoodoos are MUCH easier to find a channel in. ;)